The Latest: ICC Charging Israel With War Crimes Rumor Spreads

How do you feel about the U.S. response so far?

  • 93.6k
    LeslieG
    Voted Angry
    10/13/2023

    Haven't seen any humanitarian corridors established to provide Palestians with food, water, drugs, fuel nor safe areas designated, especially all existing hospitals.

    While Israel has a right to defend itself and the US has armed Israel over the years ($3B/year) it does not have a right to bomb Palestians civilians and infrastructure which is not only a war crime but escalatory as Hezbollah may join the fray in the north even if Lebanon and Jordan don't officially.

    Asking 1M civilians to evacuate in 24 hr is not feasible even if they all had cars, had a place to go, and roads that were not bombed. Think about the planning that goes into US evacuations for fires and hurricanes where 2-3M people are involved that happen over days, to shelters with provisions where everyone has a vehicle.

    Time to remind Israel about the rules of war, and  not destroying civilians or non-military infrastructure.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/hurricane-ian-florida-evacuation-orders-zones/671612/

  • 6,663
    Bruce
    Voted Sad
    10/10/2023

    Unfortunately, the U.S. response is the same as every other time that Palestinians have lashed out against Israel for the terrible Apartheid treatment they've suffered.  

    This retaliation will not provide any positive results, but the Palestinians' suffering has reached a breaking point.  

    The U.S. must become an advocate for justice for both sides--not a cheerleader for Israel.

  • 47.8k
    Brian
    Voted Apathetic
    10/13/2023

    It sounds more and more like Israel is about to commit mass casualties, possibly genocide, in Gaza starting as soon as their morning tomorrow.

    The international community and our US leadership needs to speak out loudly and strongly that while the horrors of last weekend were abominable and terrorism cannot be accepted, the destruction of human lives in retribution and in violation of international law is completely unacceptable.

    Netanyahu has long been a right-wing extremist when it comes to treatment of the Palestinian people, and it looks like he's finally found his reason to carry out his darkest impulses. 

    May God have mercy on the people of Gaza.

  • 1,842
    RoyB
    10/09/2023

    I read the whole comments.  I will look at another alternative.

    The enmity between Israel and Hamas is complex and multifaceted, butI believe that religion and claims to religious buildings certainly play a role.

    Both Israel and Hamas are religious movements with strong ties to Judaism and Islam, respectively. Jews believe that the land of Israel is promised to them by God, while Muslims believe that Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam. The Temple Mount/Al-Aqsa Mosque complex in Jerusalem is sacred to both Jews and Muslims, and competing claims to the site have been a source of tension and violence for centuries.

    So one could say the war going on is because of religion and land grab on both sides.  

    I don't know what the solution is other than for them to grow up and realize religions are not good reasons to go war.  Historically, many wars happened because of religions.  

  • 714
    Keyless
    Voted Excited
    10/17/2023

    Biden is correct. An Israeli ground invasion of Gaza could very well prove to be a collosal mistake.

    There is a good chance of it proving counterproductive in terms of subdoing Hamas;

    A good chance of serious unintended consequences,

    A chance of it sparking a larger confilct in the region, including possible world war;

    And finally, a full scale invasion in civilian territory will likely paint Israel in a very negative light internationally.

  • 37
    Rebecca
    Voted Happy
    10/10/2023

    The President and many advisers are working around the clock to advocate for both hostages and Israel. Palestinian people need to be heard but do not need representation by Hamas -or Iran or other outside groups.

  • 7,876
    larubia
    Voted Angry
    10/09/2023

    I'm saddened by recent events and worried about the implications for the United States and our NATO allies. Although this attack seemingly did not make intelligence agency's radar, it's been brewing for a while & Isreal is not blameless, in my opinion. 

    This region has been fought over for centuries, because of religion. I find it ironic that the major tenet of each of these religions is, in a sense, "the Golden Rule".

     

    Here is a brief history:

    https://youtu.be/m19F4IHTVGc?si=2g7tcaPsWPsNfu-w

  • 2,408
    Martha
    Voted Apathetic
    10/09/2023

    To tell the truth, I'm not sure how I feel.  While, I don't condone the attack, I know that Israel is not innocent as they have launched attacks in the past that seemed unprovoked (although I don't live over there so I can't really say for sure that the past attacks on Gaza were without provocation).  All I know is that both sides have acted like spoiled toddlers and need to sit down like real adults and work out some solution that benefits both sides.  Obviously, Gaza has reasons to not like or trust Israel and likewise Israel has reasons to not like or trust Gaza, but at some point this shit has to stop to stop the senseless killing on both sides.

  • 6,663
    Bruce
    Voted Sad
    11/09/2023

    Money talks...  

    President Biden needs to threaten to withdraw monetary support for the Israeli GENOCIDE of Palestinians  civilians in Gaza and the West Bank unless Israel accepts a Ceasefire...  

    Let the UN provide for the needs of the surviving Ppalestinians.

  • 8,967
    Charles
    02/13/2024

    Stop the funding and a cease fire would happen.

  • 5,174
    Adam
    Voted Happy
    02/09/2024

    Okay, as a liberal, but also as a Jewish person, I've tried to avoid commenting on this site, but here's the thing, as I see it:
    1) you can support Israel without agreeing with its government. Frankly, I think Netanyahu is a real asshole. And that's despite the fact that we both graduated from the same high school. However, I support Israel's right to exist and defend itself against those who would see to destroy it.
    2) you can support the Palestinians without being antisemitic. I do, in fact. However, check your history. There's a reason the West Bank and Gaza strip exist and it's not because the ancestors of the current residents thought they would be nice vacation spots. Read up on Jordan's and Egypt's roles in creating these two sectors and how they responded to Palestinian requests for asylum after Israel's victory in 1948.
    3) you cannot support Hamas without being antisemitic. Or kind of horrible. As a billboard I saw the other day said, "There is no excuse for kidnapping, rape, and murder." No matter how sympathetic you may find the Palestinian cause (it is) or how horrible you may find Israel's current administration (they are), what happened on October 7 cannot be justified. Nor can a call for completely obliterating a sovereign state.

    Anyway, my 2¢.

  • 1,284
    Reilly
    Voted Excited
    10/13/2023

    Good on the President for saying what he said. 

     

    President Biden called Hamas' attack on Israel "pure unadulterated evil," as he vowed, "We stand with Israel."

    "We'll make sure Israel has what it needs to take care of itself," Biden said Tuesday from the White House.

    Hamas militants attacked Israel on Saturday, killing more than 900 people, including at least 14 Americans. Israel has responded with a siege and heavy bombing of the Gaza Strip.

    "Like every nation in the world, Israel has the right to respond — indeed has a duty to respond — to these vicious attacks," Biden said.

    Biden has expressed full-throated support for Israel in the wake of what he and his officials have described as terrorist attacks.

     

    https://www.npr.org/2023/10/10/1204861972/biden-will-address-the-nation-on-the-israel-attack

  • 3,310
    Steph
    Voted Sad
    Today at 5:05 PM

    One can be both pro-Israel, yet anti Netyanhu.  I am living proof.   While Netanyahu is in power, with all of his corruption, while he has been, for decades, trying to goad the USA into war with Iran, to the point that he bombed the embassy of a soverign nation , located in the borders of another soverign nation it is high time that our leaders not only disavow AIPAC, but throw it's leaders and members into Federal prison.

    After that, then give Netanyahu this option-stop this genocide or else the USA will publicly disavow Israel and sever all ties.  he may be corrupt but he is NOT stupid, and if he withdraw all support and publicly annoyunce we are no longer an ally, Isarel won't last a year.

     

    THAT's how you get someone to do something you want.

     

    How about the folks on The Hill start doing THAT....oh wait!  Too mahy are busy cashing those sweet sweet checks from AIPAC, eh?

  • 2,503
    Joan
    Voted Apathetic
    Today at 4:26 PM

    In my opinion, neither side can claim to be 'right', which complicates the response. However, as time goes on, Israel seems to be promulgating the worst of the offenses. The US has traditionally supported Israel but Israel is abusing that support and trust with its current actions. And so I think the US should be working towards a cease fire. 

  • 522
    TheToddfather
    Voted Angry
    Today at 4:53 PM

    Fucking hypocritical. Since it is an "ally" we are bending over backwards to excuse this behavior. But if it were an "enemy" we'd go to any lengths to punish this behavior whether the reasons for their behavior were the same or not. I am an atheist, so I don't care for religion in general, but I can't stop wondering why it is that Muslims, Jews, and Christians can't get along when the roots of their religion are pretty much all the same. Seems like they should all be singing kumbayah together rather than killing each other. This is a fundamentalism problem, in my opinion. Fundamentalism shuts your ears and closes your heart and makes you believe that you are the only right and true whatever. Stupid. And people have to die because you are being stupid. I'm sure, did god exist, he'd be hootin' and hollerin' over all the bloodshed. Yay! They're killing themselves for me! They love me! They really, really love me!

    Asshats.

  • 870
    Jim
    Voted Happy
    Today at 4:39 PM

    There is never anything to be happy about in situations like this but I believe the Biden administration has done what it could to keep the war from spinning out of control. I do agree that Israeli leaders responsible for the civilian deaths should be charged with war crimes.

  • 1,017
    Harry
    Voted Sad
    Today at 4:44 PM

    The response so far after shock of October 7th wore off, is designed to comfort the terrorists Hamas. The Administration is not counteting the propaganda and actually giving aid and comfort to Hamas.

    Turn the newly constructed Pier over to Isreal so they can inspect all shipments for weapons and select which Agencies get the approved aid. 

    Started off okay but is now catering to the enemies of Isreal 

  • 840
    Hector
    Voted Angry
    Today at 5:40 AM

    American can't do anything right!

  • 840
    Hector
    Voted Angry
    Today at 5:40 AM

    Genocide is wrong. The Jews are completely wrong and they need to stop denying that Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior. Why America is sponsoring the genocide I do not know other than that America did the biggest genocide on earth by killing up to 95% of the aborigines not long ago and they don't like to admit that reality. Is there a genocide museum in the Americas about that genocide? America attacks democracy. America attacks everything against plutocracy. The bribed politicians run the government and their owners are psychotic serial killers. We call them oligarchs and they love Satan and our politicians work for them. They are an evil cult that are trying to take as many people to hell with them as possible. They are killing earth and deserve a smack upside the head with justice!!!! God condemns greedy rich yet America makes the greedy rich is rulers. Worse than that the Supreme Court justices are so bad that one of the newest was the gang rape leader. Basically he's legal to Jeffrey Epstein or Diddy. Because the Supreme Court made it legal for the rich to own our politicians and the people of America don't care I think people are lucky as hell God said he'd never kill man of earth again because I'm sure God would be happy to drown all you losers right now. 

  • 1,017
    Harry
    Voted Sad
    04/17/2024

    The United States should have already sent Isreal, Ukraine and Taiwan their requested armaments 

     

    Get off the dime support our Allies.

  • 598
    Arnold
    04/17/2024

    Is it true that Joe put a note on the last pallet of cash he sent to Iran that read, Not for terrorism Don't. That seemed to work if true. lol

  • 1,348
    Leslie
    Voted Angry
    04/16/2024

    Israel attacks Iranian embassy and we do nothing. Iran hits back and we go ballistic. This problem is the result of a one sided policy toward Israel for the past 40 years. The United States has earned the hatred of the Arab world 

  • 93.6k
    LeslieG
    Voted Angry
    04/16/2024

    The Iranian attack on Israel was defended by American, British, French and Arab country war planes even though Israel triggered the attack when it bombed the Iranian embassy in Syria killing 7 Iranians. Now the same partners that defended Usrael in the skies has asked Israel not to retaliate but Israel is ignoring them, and considering an attack on an Iranian nuclear facility. Gee, what could possibly go wrong bombing a nuclear facility [sarcasm] in addition to losing international support.

    The US should continue support of Israel's Defense but only weapons need to support the boundaries of Israel (Iron Dome, David’s Sling, and Arrow systems) and nothing to bomb Iran, Gaza, West Bank, and if Israel chooses to bomb countries outside its borders against its partners wishes it should be left to its own devices and consequences.

    Israel would be wise to work with its partners which BiBi has never done and instead tried to force partners with end runs around Presidents and Prime Ministers to legislative bodies. Bennett Ganz, the opposition leader is proposing to work with partners and retaliate later as other ways emerge.

    European countries are moving to recognize Palestine implementing the 2 state solution without Israel's involvement.

    A UN resolution created Israel so it can also create Palestine. Hopefully Israel participates but if BiBi chooses not to then Israel needs new leadership,

    " That was astoundingly unprecedented. American, British, French, and an assortment of Arab countries’ warplanes and air defenses teamed up with Israel to block Iran’s massive wave of missiles and drones."

    " While Israeli war cabinet consultations are secret, we can confirm that the group of five top decision-makers was moving toward ordering a powerful retaliation against sites in Iran—some connected with that country’s nuclear program—that have been on Israel’s standby target list for years."

    "Yet Biden, in that phone call late Saturday night, told Netanyahu to take the win; to be thrilled that the unique combination of allies, including even Saudi Arabia, protected Israel."

    " Biden wisely praised Israel’s own air force and anti-missile defenses, such as the Iron Dome, David’s Sling, and Arrow systems that have enjoyed bipartisan financial support from Congress and are partially manufactured by American contractors."

    " And then came the sting: Biden said that if Israel attacks Iran’s territory, then Israel is doing that on its own. No American participation. And the instant alliance with Arabs and Europeans might fade away like a desert mirage. We should note that for years, U.S. officials have privately said they think Netanyahu is trying to maneuver America into joining a destructive attack on Iran’s nuclear program, while the U.S. consistently counsels restraint."

    " Benny Gantz has carved out a middle ground that seems sensible. Gantz is leading in Israeli political opinion polls, and his views are respected, as he is a former military chief of staff and served as defense minister to Netanyahu before turning against the prime minister. Gantz says Israel clearly has the right to retaliate and should plan to do so—but at a wise time of its own choosing. First, he suggests, build up the international coalition against Iran. Don’t spoil it. Eventually, good opportunities to harm Iran will become apparent."

    "Currently, only eight of the 27 EU members recognise Palestine as a state: Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. If Ireland, Spain, Slovenia and Malta join them, the number of EU members that recognise the Palestinian state will go up to 12"

    "Spanish prime minister Pedro Sanchez, who has visited several countries in the past few days on a diplomatic campaign to garner support for the initiative, reiterated his plan to recognise Palestinian statehood in the coming months."

    "Portugal will support a full U.N. membership for a Palestinian state in an upcoming General Assembly vote, it would wait for the EU to work out a common stance on the matter before moving forward."

    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/12/are-more-european-nations-finally-moving-to-recognise-palestine-statehood

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/15/middle-east-crisis-live-news-iran-drone-attack-israel-latest-updates

    https://time.com/6967124/u-s-defended-israel-retaliation-iran/

  • 8,967
    Charles
    04/16/2024

    No more US funds for arms purchase.

    Use for humanitarian efforts.

    The US. did provide help when Iran attempted to reach Israel.

  • 2,929
    Arlys
    Voted Apathetic
    04/16/2024

    Just more "power play" that has been going on for thousands of years while making the so-called corporate miliutary complexes rollong in the profits.  We should just stay out of it and allow them to kill each other off.  No matter how you look atit, it just boils down to power and money.  Neither is good for the human soul.

  • 1,873
    Dawn
    Voted Angry
    04/16/2024

    NO RETALIATION??? SERIOUSLY???? ISRAEL ATTACKED IRAN FIRST! 

     

    ISRAEL IS ALSO COMMITTING GENOCIDE! OTHER COUNTRIES ARE CONDEMNING THEM FOR IT, BUT WE'RE JUST SITTING HERE HELPING THEM!!!

  • 47.8k
    Brian
    Voted Apathetic
    04/16/2024

    Israel has every right to defend itself, but the Iran strike was in response to Israel's attack on an Iranian outpost, so technically Israel started it. We still have no evidence that Iran had any direct involvement in October 7, no matter the relationship between Iran and Hamas. 

    If Israel, that suffered practically no damage the other night from Iran's attacks, chooses to attack Iran directly, they will be escalating this and should stand on their own. The US does not want to be involved in a regional war in the Middle East. We have done enough, especially since we are still selling arms and ammunition to Israel.

    If Netanyahu and his extreme allies want a regional war, then they should answer to the Israeli people, not drag us into it.

  • 2,737
    George
    Voted Angry
    04/16/2024

    Everyone is wrong! 

  • 2,230
    JERRE
    Voted Angry
    04/16/2024

    What is our response. Support Israel and do not offend Michigan voters. Biden has a 2 state solution ---Nevada and Michigan.

  • 2,595
    530 East Hunt Highway
    Voted Sad
    04/16/2024

    America has no business interfering with what Israel does for their people. 

    Hamas must free the hostages,  if any are alive.

  • 427
    Nan
    Voted Angry
    04/16/2024

    The US needs to stop the blind unquestioning support of Israel. We should be withdrawing all support to Israel. Iran's response was a result Israel's aggression. We should not support Israeli push to increase aggression.

     

    the US needs to force Israel to stop the genocide and aggression and take steps toward peaceful resolution and a two state solution.

  • 427
    Nan
    Voted Angry
    04/16/2024

    Irans attack on Israel was in response to Israel's attack on their embassy. They've both had a turn. Time for Israel to stand down. Netanyahu and his admin can only continue to be a billing because he has the US and most NATO countries standing behind him.

     

    the US population are tired of supporting Israel.