80th Anniversary of the Pearl Harbor Attack: ‘A Date Which Will Live in Infamy’

We rightly went to War. ‘So that this will never happen again’…remember that refrain? Then there were so many other incidents that got us into conflagrations around the world up to 9/11-2001. So much for, ‘never again’.

4+ years of Infamy started on January 20, 2017 thru January 19, 2021, topped off by Jan. 6, 2021 domestic terrorists attacks and continues today! No relief for American citizens until the Democratic Party decides to fight for us and rid us of the Republican plague that is worse than covid-19……

We had better wake up to the facts that Russians and Chinese are in full Cold War mode! They attack out internet infrastructure everyday and work very had at gaining our industry secrets! They are full steam ahead modernizing there military! They are also working very hard at economic incentives for other countries to be their allies! We need to move production of needed parts and materials out of China and back to the USA or close allies!

At this period of time in history of our country it’s a good time to look at the republican party and where we are, if you look at Georgia Museum beginning of the inclusion of that party with David Purdue who fail to be collected to the US Senate is now trying to cast himself as a Trump shadow and run again for governor of Georgia. Spawning absolute bullshit that he’s going to get rid of State income tax Which Predue absolutely knows he cannot do. Not only can he not do it legally but also it would leave the state and a deficit of billions of dollars. So what we have here is some jack ass in the name of Predue running in the name of his master Trump who is a master idiot who is screwing up the government of this country to the point where I cannot work. That’s where the republican party is now a state of absolute bullshit.

Kill or Be Killed is Not Bravery; it's Survival! Ever wonder why the US had a draft during WW II? Or how many actually volunteered? One thing is for sure. The more "conservative" a person is, the more their knowledge of actual history is guaranteed to be inadequate, and it's usually wholly incorrect. This is especially true when the "unrepeatable" "patriotism" and "valor" of some bygone age is highly praised. That's the key the clueless person is full of bull crap. Propaganda takes the place of truth. One begins to think about whether one is being trolled. While some families may trade "Big Fish" stories about WW II, other families just received a weird "I can't talk about it" silence, I heard a different slide. More like 80% Phil Silvers & McHale's Navy and less than 10% Combat! With a measure of cowardice, bullet in the foot, and tales of friendlly fire thrown in. More to the larger truth: "Of the roughly 16 million in service throughout World War II, voluntary enlistments accounted for *less* than 40 percent of the total manpower. In contrast, over 10 million (*more* than 60 percent) were drafted. As with any major historical event, the memory of World War II is marred by misconceptions. Retrospect tends to paint a rosier picture in the collective memory than the oftentimes uncomfortable truth. One common misconception about the men who served in America’s armed forces in World War II involves enlistment and the draft. With all of the stories of sacrifice and duty, and those who went against the wishes of their family or odds stacked against them to don a uniform, it’s not inconceivable that a persistent misconception is that every young man rushed out at the first opportunity to answer Uncle Sam’s call. Avoiding military service is usually considered draft dodging, which is more commonly associated with the Vietnam War than World War II. Of the roughly 16 million in service throughout World War II, voluntary enlistments accounted for less than 40 percent of the total manpower. In contrast, over 10 million (more than 60 percent) were drafted. Every man had his own reasons for preferring not to serve. Some simply feared combat or felt they could better help their families by staying home and staying whole. There were pacifists and those whose political beliefs kept them from service. Their options were to serve, find war work, or end up in jail if they refused induction. For another large segment of the population, their choice not to serve was religious. These men were known as conscientious objectors. Since the Revolutionary War, there have been those who choose to refuse service based on their religious beliefs, most notably those of the Quaker, Brethren, and Mennonite faiths. For those who chose to stand as conscientious objectors, their options were few: join the armed forces and serve in a non-combat role (usually as a medic), volunteer for the Civilian Public Service program, or go to jail. See "Alternative Service: Conscientious Objectors and Civilian Public Service in World War II | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans" https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/conscientious-objectors-civilian-public-service

December 7, my friend and classmate Mike's birthday and a day that has lived in infamy, as Franklin Roosevelt predicted. I can hardly remember my own birthday, yet I never forget Mike's./As soon as Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, killing 2403 unsuspecting Americans and injuring 1178 others, sinking four Navy battleships and damaging four others, as well as three cruisers, three destroyers, and one minelayer, eradicating 188 aircraft and crippling 159 -- as soon as that crime against humanity occurred, ordinary people throughout our country immediately rushed to our defense. They volunteered for military service. They rationed, recycled, stayed at home, and did without. They wrote letters and letters and letters that would be censored and arrive very late, if at all. They planted Victory Gardens. They went to work in airplane factories. They endured blackouts and heartbreaking memorial services. They had faith. Ordinary people began doing all of these things immediately, and they continued doing them for five years./I'm not at all sure that America would rush to defend itself today. Such a hassle. Such an inconvenience. Such a wearying display of patriotism and devotion./ Yet I stepped outside at 1:00 yesterday afternoon to turn my face to the flag, remember the day that has lived in infamy, and celebrate the life of my friend and classmate Mike. Maybe he was outside too, turning his face to the flag and remembering.

Thank you for providing the link to the President’s speech. It is interesting to note the journalist’s words that preempt the famous speech. There is no spin. There is no speculation. There is only reporting. Another observation is that Congress, the members of the Supreme Court, the Vice President & President were all under one roof just as they were about to declare war. I don’t believe this is the protocol today. If the enemy took out the target, there would be no one left to lead. My third observation was that everyone in the picture was a white male. So, while we are not yet reflective of our population, we’ve come a long way. What did you observe?

My father was at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked and spent the next couple of years clearing the debris. He would never talk about it. My father-in-law piloted the landing craft that took many of our troops to land at Normandy. He also, never really discussed much of what he saw and the near misses of German weapons he experienced during his many trips back and forth from ship to shore. … … … The Pearl Harbor memorial doesn’t look like much, but when you visit it, it is an extremely somber and moving experience. It is constructed over the wreckage of the Arizona where many sailors are still entombed. … … … It is important to remember this event and the horrors of World War on so many fronts - as well as the many sacrifices made by individuals for the common good.

This was a horrible incident and we rightly went into World War II over it. However, let's not forget that we turned a blind eye to the Jews in Europe who were being murdered for years before we got involved. We even turned away ships full of Jews trying to escape Europe and come here. I would like to believe we learned our lesson, but I know we're still turning away refugees fleeing atrocities and still trying not to get involved, such as in China and Myanmar. We can always do better.

The Greatest Generation indeed; like my Dad who was torpedoed and sunk twice by Nazi U-boats in the North Atlantic and survived. May the good Lord forever bless their souls for their sacrifice and love of country. 🇺🇸🗽

The only thing to fear, is fear itself. You might add conspiracies, wackos, anti vaxers, idiots with guns and Republican, which seem to be one in the same. Also People in Texassssss marching in a Christmas Parade holding up political hate signs, so much for what Christmas stands for!

That generation will never be replicated- EVER - their love of country patriotism and valor will never be matched - that is not a slam on current service members - just that times have changed and so has our population- you decide whether that is a positive or not -

One of the worst incidents in our countries history, but fortunately it happened at a time when individuals understood they needed to make a sacrifice for our country. Unlike now where we would dismiss the attack as a false flag operation and complain and whine about making a sacrifice for our country. Oh and the American Nazi Party would actively take part in inciting the attack. I know my Nazi “Reps” would take part in it, I mean my Grandfather’s fought the Nazi’s so my “Reps” could become nazis. Yes, Risch, CRAPo, & “Pimp my mommy to the Racist” Fulcher I am talking to you.

That was a time when Americans were united. Before the age of Trump.we must realize that we are better off united against the evils that are trying to divide and conquer. The Republican Party Has to get their act together and get someone with morals to lead their party. We have lost the will to work together. We are better than what we have been showing the world. The men of that time didn’t have to be thanked every time they did the right thing, they just did it.They were quiet, hard working and strong.They didn’t toot their own horn, they let others do it. Let’s be more like the people of that time before social media.

I am sick to each of the people who criticize dropping the bombs on Japan to end the Second World War. I grew up with a father because those bombs were dropped. My fathers life was worth more to me than the whole of Japan. If that makes me selfish I can live with it

Gauging from some of the comments today, it's evident that some of you are just plain sad and unhappy people. Maybe you should consider your exit strategy from our borders. Even though my father survived combat during the campaign to liberate the Philippine's and free the survivors of Japan's infamous Bataan Death March, his life was shortened by the experience. They were truly the greatest generation. Much better in many ways than we are. Much more deserving were they to have lived a full life to enjoy the comfort and freedom that you whiners had laid at your feet. God bless all those that served and God Bless America.

Remembering my dads service!

@Dave - you must be a libtard. Go Brandon!

Nick in wasn’t FDR that sent two Nuclear Bombs to Japan he was actually already dead it was his Vice President that sent the two attacks. President Harry Truman I am very glad he did and hopefully under the same circumstances I would hope that our leader would do the same. Let’s look deep down and determine what led to those two bombs. Was it the US Attack on Tokyo Japan or one of their Islands on December 7th 1941? No it was an unprovoked surprise attack on our military bases and ships at Pearl Harbor by you guessed it the Japanese Navy. Now I will give you an example. You are a terrorist group and you hijack four planes and planned for five planes but logistics was wrong and like all previous hijacking’s where the civilians on board if they just did what was ordered of them the plane would land in some country and you had a good chance to be released. However this was a sucker punch and no one on board was going to live on any of the planes that day. The first plane crashed into one of the world trade towers. We were all confused. Then several minutes later another plane slams into the other tower. Most of us knew at that very minute that the world had changed instantly as those people on the island in the pacific called Hawaii knew at 6AM on December 7th 1941 knew. Both group at that minute knew someone was going to pay for this. On September 11th 2001 it didn’t stop with two towers the third plane hit the Pentagon and a decision was made very quickly and it never happened before or since that every aircraft in America was to land immediately or be shot down and all inbound flight to America were diverted to land in another country. We then spotted the forth plan over PA heading to Washington DC to hit either the Whitehouse or the Capital Building. By then via cell phones people on this plane had heard these were not regular hijacker’s and that all on board were going to die anyway. The group of men on board got together and decided to take the plane back from the five hijacker’s. They broke into the cockpit and just about had the situation under control when the hijacker flying the plane flew it straight down into the ground. This saved lives and stopped the attacks for that day. Let’s go back to 1941 again. At this same time Hitler decided while we were down he would declare war on the United States. We looked at the worst of the two enemies in that alliance with Italy and chose to deal with Japan first before they could spread over all of the pacific. In an effort to cut off their supply lines we did what was known as island hopping. As we took these little islands that the Japanese had fortified we would do a naval and air bombardment for sometimes two days on a island 7 square miles. The Japanese had say 3,500 troops on the island. We would spend thousands killed or wounded taking that island. As we got closer to Japan they fought almost to the last man. At first we hit the island like Iwo Jima thinking this was going to be a simple clean up and it turned out to be a real battle. The island was 2 miles wide and 4 miles long. There was a month long bombardment and on Feb 19th 1945 our troops hit the beaches . 70,000 Marines went ashore to fight after the bombardment against 18,000 Japanese troops. 36 days later on March 26th the battle ended with 7,000 Americans dead and 20,000 wounded. The Marines captured 216 Japanese the rest were dead. We were still 90 miles from the Southern Island of Japan and they fought like this for a volcanic island, How do you think they would have fought as we landed in Japan. How many Americans and Japanese soldiers would you believe would have to die before they surrendered? I would say millions on both sides. Even after the first nuclear bomb dropped on a military city and the immediate death of thousands from one bomb from one plane most countries would surrender realizing they were out of their league. But the request for surrender was not answered and the second nuclear bomb slightly bigger was dropped from one plane and thousands died immediately again. American forces requested a surrender again and in two days later they surrender. Here is the results of two bombs. Over the next two to four months, the effects of the atomic bombings killed between 90,000 and 146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000 and 80,000 people in Nagasaki; roughly half occurred on the first day. ... Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were totally necessary to defeat the Japanese. They saved millions of lives. Just look back to the battle figures from Iwo Jima. If you son or dad was fighting in the pacific in WWII would you have suggested we should have took the islands of Japan by conventional forces? Now to 2001 and now 2021 from the results of the attacks in September 2001 we found out Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind of the attacks on America. The Taliban was in control of the country and they were protecting Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. We demanded that they turn him over they refused. We attacked the next week. They lost control of the country and we were there for twenty years and Bin Laden was found and killed. The Taliban lost 53,963 soldiers in those 20 years a massive price to protect one man who we caught and killed anyway. Recently Comrade dear leader Beijing Biden turned the country and $85 billion dollars worth of equipment to the Taliban.

I just listened again to FDR‘s speech to congress the day after Pearl Harbor and the Philippines were attacked. Interesting that Frank thought it particularly pernicious that the Japanese would attack us “suddenly and deliberately“. I believe the way the US “suddenly and deliberately“ ionized a quarter of 1 million Japanese civilians: men women and children is the date (or dates) that should live in infamy. Never has there been a greater war crime. Never has there been an act more evil.