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Rose Russell Clifford
Rose Russell Clifford

They are illegal sorry they break the law coming to the US if we did it to their country we would be jailed or even thrown out the same day. When in Rome !

John Tripp Sheffield
John Tripp Sheffield
  • Rose Russell Clifford

That's an invalid argument Dayna. There was no government & no laws here when Europeans first arrived. And how do you know Rose's ancestors had any involvement anyway??
That's just cliched liberal bs coming out of your backside, trying to make a moot point.

Steinar Andersen
Steinar Andersen
  • Rose Russell Clifford

John, well said.

Ollie Austin
Ollie Austin
  • Rose Russell Clifford

I'm not American, but the slaughter of millions of native Americans by both Europeans and Americans following the constitution amounts to genocide. Regardless of whether there was 'a government or laws', the American dream realised in the great 'manifest destiny' and the quasi-eradication of a civilised peoples is equivalent to a systematic re-population of the Americas.

David Polk
David Polk
  • Rose Russell Clifford

yes most definately, if their laws said we could not, but they had no law against us coming over

Rude Calderon
Rude Calderon
  • Rose Russell Clifford

There were respected agreements within Native American nations, here in Mexico, in Peru, they just weren't European laws. Come on you didn't know that, or are you in historical denial?

Robi Schwab
Robi Schwab
  • Rose Russell Clifford

John Tripp Sheffield. What are you trying to prove with your idiotic statement regarding Dayna McCamley's comment. You're a liar and you KNOW that. God's Ten Commandments were very well in place AND known by everyone during America's genocide of the Native Poeple there. So DON'T come and try to blame the non existing American Law for your ancestors' ungodly sadistic behavior toward these poor innocent Native Americans. Just what kind of a human being ARE you trying to justify MURDER and then...

John Tripp Sheffield. What are you trying to prove with your idiotic statement regarding Dayna McCamley's comment. You're a liar and you KNOW that. God's Ten Commandments were very well in place AND known by everyone during America's genocide of the Native Poeple there. So DON'T come and try to blame the non existing American Law for your ancestors' ungodly sadistic behavior toward these poor innocent Native Americans. Just what kind of a human being ARE you trying to justify MURDER and then on top of that try to convince people that it's the correct thing to do.

Robi Schwab
Robi Schwab
  • Rose Russell Clifford

So what's your point. Because THEIR laws allowed you to move to their country this means you can slaughter them?

Jim Shott
Jim Shott
  • Rose Russell Clifford

Dayna, my grandparents immigrated legally and had nothing to do with genocide of the natives nor slavery. But I get blamed for both due to being a Caucasian. Is THAT right?

Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig

I am not racist or against immigrants, no matter how they come here. But the point is, it's a factual statement. If you immigrate illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. 'Undocumented' implies that our government has somehow lapsed in not noticing them--this is not the point. We do allow immigrants, but they have to go through a process. Skipping the line is not okay and avoiding a factual and correct term in order to avoid stepping on toes is condoning what they are doing, which is...

I am not racist or against immigrants, no matter how they come here. But the point is, it's a factual statement. If you immigrate illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. 'Undocumented' implies that our government has somehow lapsed in not noticing them--this is not the point. We do allow immigrants, but they have to go through a process. Skipping the line is not okay and avoiding a factual and correct term in order to avoid stepping on toes is condoning what they are doing, which is breaking the law.

If someone runs a red light, then yes, they are driving illegally. But we don't call them an illegal driver because that doesn't describe a constant situation or state. If someone doesn't have a driver's license, then they are an illegal driver because they are in a state of illegality, not just a one-time offender. Illegal immigrants live in America illegally and are likewise in a state of illegality. We aren't saying the humans are illegal--being a human is always legal. However, they are illegal immigrants.

This petition just spotlights a major issue in American culture right now. Our need to be uber-PC might avoid stepping on a few toes right now but ultimately will devastate our morals in the long run. Let’s be honest—the truth is sometimes hard. A rapist is not a nonconsensual sex partner. A drug dealer is not an undocumented pharmacist. No one is worried about hurting their feelings clearly.

I understand that America is truly the land of promise for many. I sympathize with many citizens, especially those in Mexico oppressed under a corrupt government and stuck in a cycle of poverty. But in our compassion, let us not condone breaking the law and teach that laws are only to be followed when things are easy. This petition skews the issue. Rather than a simple term, we should be focusing on how we can aid oppressed people and streamline the immigration process to make it feasible for foreigners, especially Mexican citizens to live in America.

I am not anti-immigrant. My family immigrated from Germany in the 60s and we did it legally. There is no reason why other people should not be called out for skipping the process and breaking the line when people like my family follow America's policy.

Steinar Andersen
Steinar Andersen
  • Alexandra Seelig

This legal immigrant agrees with you.

Lewis Bloomfield
Lewis Bloomfield
  • Alexandra Seelig

ok then Ross, how about criminal. Lets just call them criminals, all those criminals, because that sounds better right!??

Jesus this thing is full of all sorts of stupid.

William Brummett
William Brummett
  • Alexandra Seelig

Ross Warsing and they do it everyday so they are illegal

Mike Nolan
Mike Nolan
  • Alexandra Seelig

Actually, no criminal laws have been broken by individuals who entered the country without documents. Your statement shows bitterness rather than facts.

David Polk
David Polk
  • Alexandra Seelig

I agree lets call them by the name that they are lawbreaking, tax money stealing, immigrants that come here illegally by breaking the law set forth in our land

Sharyn Beers
Sharyn Beers
  • Alexandra Seelig

Actually, the correct legal term is "illegal alien". The word "immigrant" means one who intends to settle in a place, which illegal aliens could not do because their presence here is illegal, meaning against the law. The word "alien" means only that they are not US citizens. Therefore, any term other than "illegal alien" is legally incorrect.

David Mascarenhas Watkins

What a wad of crap. No, if a driver runs a red light he is not an illegal driver. But if a kid drives without a license he is.... you guessed it! Driving illegally! No one said they are illegal human. This is about being an immigrant, but illegally. Thus, an illegal immigrant. What a waste of internet space.

Frederico Silva
Frederico Silva
  • David Mascarenhas Watkins

Completely agree!

Kristin Nielsen
Kristin Nielsen

Think about it people we may have been here longer but unless ur Native American we all came to this country from some where else

Rebecca Dreller
Rebecca Dreller
  • Kristin Nielsen

You don't seem to realize that your basis for argument is moot? EVERY country in the world is filled w/aboriginal peoples who got crapped upon somewhere along the way. I didn't do it, and neither did my recent ancestors. Even so, many of our 'Native Americans' were in fact NOT native either. Next.........

M Raghavendra Rao
M Raghavendra Rao

NYT, stop using the term " illegal immigrant " When you intentionally utilize their services why you use that demoralizing term. Respect all individuals as your own relation.

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • M Raghavendra Rao

They disrespect us by coming in the "back door"and then demanding all the benefits they didn't earn, and expecting everyone here to speak their language.

Joyce Morrow
Joyce Morrow

I for One.feel we all Got here some way. whether through Immigration or Back to the Garden.I have lived in the USA all of my Life working since 5 years old and until I was old enough to stand up for myself to post boundaries of what I would allow people to say or do.I grew up with african Americans and poor Whites and Mexicans.we were all treated like Immigrants.go back to the dust Bowl watch.California.called the people coming their to seek a Fresh start. were called Dirty Immigrants.The...

I for One.feel we all Got here some way. whether through Immigration or Back to the Garden.I have lived in the USA all of my Life working since 5 years old and until I was old enough to stand up for myself to post boundaries of what I would allow people to say or do.I grew up with african Americans and poor Whites and Mexicans.we were all treated like Immigrants.go back to the dust Bowl watch.California.called the people coming their to seek a Fresh start. were called Dirty Immigrants.The wealthy People have used immigrants for years paying under the table and the minute some of the mixed Race grew up to become Educated and Fight back and want better for them selves and their Familys. they are now Illegal.Wake up and Grow up you people. thank you Joyce.my Voice. Governed By God.JESUS and The Holy Spirit.

Patricia O'Neil Breternitz
Patricia O'Neil Breternitz
  • Joyce Morrow

Sorry Joyce. That doesn't change the fact that they are here illegally. If a person that lives out of the United States wants to come live here. They should come here the LEGAL way! You should not break the law, period!

Ariza Ariza
Ariza Ariza

We are citizens of the world: Today there are not ideological frontiers, there are not nationalistic obstacles. We are in the great Global Village. Nobody who wants to live in peace can be considered as illegal person anywhere. We are in a so wonderful cultural, political and social hibridization, countries must enter in a new fraternal paradigm away and free of racism, segregation, exclusion or social discrimination.

Ariza Ariza
Ariza Ariza
  • Ariza Ariza

Traducción: Somos ciudadanos y ciudadanas del mundo: hoy no hay fronteras ideológicas, no hay obstáculos nacionalistas. Estamos en la gran Aldea Global. Alguien que quiera vivir en paz no puede ser considerado como una persona ilegal en ningún lugar. Estamos en una muy maravillosa hibridización cultural, política y social, los países tienen que entrar en un nuevo paradigma fraternal lejos y libre de racismo, segregación, exclusión o discriminación social.

Dale Nakedtoad
Dale Nakedtoad
  • Ariza Ariza

What Balderdash! We have an orderly system for others to come here. It requires among other things health tests before being granted a visa. The illegal immigrants coming to this country are bringing in deadly diseases that are resistant to all of our current anti-biotics. The mother of one of the girls my daughter was in Girl Scouts with died of an incurable strain of tuberculoses brought here by an illegal immigrant from Argentina. This young woman died and left her children without a...

What Balderdash! We have an orderly system for others to come here. It requires among other things health tests before being granted a visa. The illegal immigrants coming to this country are bringing in deadly diseases that are resistant to all of our current anti-biotics. The mother of one of the girls my daughter was in Girl Scouts with died of an incurable strain of tuberculoses brought here by an illegal immigrant from Argentina. This young woman died and left her children without a mother because the law was not followed.

They are overtaxing our schools. They are disproportionately increasing our crime rate with everything from shop lifting to gangland rapes and murders. They are overburdening our health care systems. These are not my opinions these are facts.

Ariza Ariza
Ariza Ariza
  • Ariza Ariza

A propósito de mi maravillosa idea arriba descrita, esto fue algo comentado por un ciudadano gringo: I am not a citizen of the "Global Village". I am a citizen of the United States of America. You seem to be a citizen of Fantasyland. Traduzco: "Yo no soy un ciudadano de la Aldea Global. Yo soy un ciudadano de los EUA. Tú pareces ser una ciudadana de la Tierra de la Fantasía" . Gracioso pero a la vez confirma que hay egoísmo y nacionalismo reactivo del pensamiento ciudadano yanqui frente a...

A propósito de mi maravillosa idea arriba descrita, esto fue algo comentado por un ciudadano gringo: I am not a citizen of the "Global Village". I am a citizen of the United States of America. You seem to be a citizen of Fantasyland. Traduzco: "Yo no soy un ciudadano de la Aldea Global. Yo soy un ciudadano de los EUA. Tú pareces ser una ciudadana de la Tierra de la Fantasía" . Gracioso pero a la vez confirma que hay egoísmo y nacionalismo reactivo del pensamiento ciudadano yanqui frente a una propuesta de solidaridad social y política mundial, (ver comentarios hechos dentro de la página, comparto algunos otros no).

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Ariza Ariza

Alexandra, I am so flattered that you used my comment to make a point. I'm glad you were able to see the humor. I'm proud to be a Yankee, and proud of my reactive nationalism which I call patriotism. If I appear selfish to you then so be it.

Larry Williamson
Larry Williamson

I agree with the previous poster. They are here illegally. Therefore, they are illegal immigrants. We need immigration reform to give them a path to legal status.

Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig
  • Larry Williamson

This petition ignores the issue: our immigration system.

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Larry Williamson

No we don't need "immigration reform". We need to ENFORCE our current immigration laws.

Vanessa Cavaliere
Vanessa Cavaliere
  • Larry Williamson

First of all, if we had better control of our borders there wouldn't be illegal immigrants here so it's our fault.

J Patrick Platter
J Patrick Platter

Let's NOT sugar-coat this and use fluffy PC terms to soften the impact of what we're talking about.
Illegal means NOT LEGAL. IMMIGRANT is someone who moves into another country. Therefore, someone who moves into another country by non-legal means is an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
Speak the truth, understand the facts.

Marie-Stan Remigereau
Marie-Stan Remigereau
  • J Patrick Platter

On behalf of the LEGAL immigrants in this country, thank you!

Jaden Andrea
Jaden Andrea
  • J Patrick Platter

That's... so... unnecessary.

Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig
  • J Patrick Platter

Well said. I'm so glad to see someone else equally troubled by America's overly sensitive take on anything remotely involving race.

Todd McIntyre
Todd McIntyre

I support the Times, why do need to pay someone elses taxes. For that matter put the well fair comes that can work to work or they do not receive their benefits.

Tamara Scurlock
Tamara Scurlock
  • Todd McIntyre

Todd do your resech and fin out who really is using well fair.

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Todd McIntyre

In other words-research, find, and welfare. I"m getting pretty good at deciphering Juan's mis-spelled rants.

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