Rose Russell Clifford
Rose Russell Clifford

They are illegal sorry they break the law coming to the US if we did it to their country we would be jailed or even thrown out the same day. When in Rome !

John Tripp Sheffield
John Tripp Sheffield
  • Rose Russell Clifford

That's an invalid argument Dayna. There was no government & no laws here when Europeans first arrived. And how do you know Rose's ancestors had any involvement anyway??
That's just cliched liberal bs coming out of your backside, trying to make a moot point.

Steinar Andersen
Steinar Andersen
  • Rose Russell Clifford

John, well said.

Oliver Austin
Oliver Austin
  • Rose Russell Clifford

I'm not American, but the slaughter of millions of native Americans by both Europeans and Americans following the constitution amounts to genocide. Regardless of whether there was 'a government or laws', the American dream realised in the great 'manifest destiny' and the quasi-eradication of a civilised peoples is equivalent to a systematic re-population of the Americas.

David Polk
David Polk
  • Rose Russell Clifford

yes most definately, if their laws said we could not, but they had no law against us coming over

Rude Calderon
Rude Calderon
  • Rose Russell Clifford

There were respected agreements within Native American nations, here in Mexico, in Peru, they just weren't European laws. Come on you didn't know that, or are you in historical denial?

Robi Schwab
Robi Schwab
  • Rose Russell Clifford

John Tripp Sheffield. What are you trying to prove with your idiotic statement regarding Dayna McCamley's comment. You're a liar and you KNOW that. God's Ten Commandments were very well in place AND known by everyone during America's genocide of the Native Poeple there. So DON'T come and try to blame the non existing American Law for your ancestors' ungodly sadistic behavior toward these poor innocent Native Americans. Just what kind of a human being ARE you trying to justify MURDER and then...

John Tripp Sheffield. What are you trying to prove with your idiotic statement regarding Dayna McCamley's comment. You're a liar and you KNOW that. God's Ten Commandments were very well in place AND known by everyone during America's genocide of the Native Poeple there. So DON'T come and try to blame the non existing American Law for your ancestors' ungodly sadistic behavior toward these poor innocent Native Americans. Just what kind of a human being ARE you trying to justify MURDER and then on top of that try to convince people that it's the correct thing to do.

Robi Schwab
Robi Schwab
  • Rose Russell Clifford

So what's your point. Because THEIR laws allowed you to move to their country this means you can slaughter them?

Jim Shott
Jim Shott
  • Rose Russell Clifford

Dayna, my grandparents immigrated legally and had nothing to do with genocide of the natives nor slavery. But I get blamed for both due to being a Caucasian. Is THAT right?

Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig

I am not racist or against immigrants, no matter how they come here. But the point is, it's a factual statement. If you immigrate illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. 'Undocumented' implies that our government has somehow lapsed in not noticing them--this is not the point. We do allow immigrants, but they have to go through a process. Skipping the line is not okay and avoiding a factual and correct term in order to avoid stepping on toes is condoning what they are doing, which is...

I am not racist or against immigrants, no matter how they come here. But the point is, it's a factual statement. If you immigrate illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. 'Undocumented' implies that our government has somehow lapsed in not noticing them--this is not the point. We do allow immigrants, but they have to go through a process. Skipping the line is not okay and avoiding a factual and correct term in order to avoid stepping on toes is condoning what they are doing, which is breaking the law.

If someone runs a red light, then yes, they are driving illegally. But we don't call them an illegal driver because that doesn't describe a constant situation or state. If someone doesn't have a driver's license, then they are an illegal driver because they are in a state of illegality, not just a one-time offender. Illegal immigrants live in America illegally and are likewise in a state of illegality. We aren't saying the humans are illegal--being a human is always legal. However, they are illegal immigrants.

This petition just spotlights a major issue in American culture right now. Our need to be uber-PC might avoid stepping on a few toes right now but ultimately will devastate our morals in the long run. Let’s be honest—the truth is sometimes hard. A rapist is not a nonconsensual sex partner. A drug dealer is not an undocumented pharmacist. No one is worried about hurting their feelings clearly.

I understand that America is truly the land of promise for many. I sympathize with many citizens, especially those in Mexico oppressed under a corrupt government and stuck in a cycle of poverty. But in our compassion, let us not condone breaking the law and teach that laws are only to be followed when things are easy. This petition skews the issue. Rather than a simple term, we should be focusing on how we can aid oppressed people and streamline the immigration process to make it feasible for foreigners, especially Mexican citizens to live in America.

I am not anti-immigrant. My family immigrated from Germany in the 60s and we did it legally. There is no reason why other people should not be called out for skipping the process and breaking the line when people like my family follow America's policy.

Steinar Andersen
Steinar Andersen
  • Alexandra Seelig

This legal immigrant agrees with you.

Lewis Bloomfield
Lewis Bloomfield
  • Alexandra Seelig

ok then Ross, how about criminal. Lets just call them criminals, all those criminals, because that sounds better right!??

Jesus this thing is full of all sorts of stupid.

William Brummett
William Brummett
  • Alexandra Seelig

Ross Warsing and they do it everyday so they are illegal

Mike Nolan
Mike Nolan
  • Alexandra Seelig

Actually, no criminal laws have been broken by individuals who entered the country without documents. Your statement shows bitterness rather than facts.

David Polk
David Polk
  • Alexandra Seelig

I agree lets call them by the name that they are lawbreaking, tax money stealing, immigrants that come here illegally by breaking the law set forth in our land

Sharyn Beers
Sharyn Beers
  • Alexandra Seelig

Actually, the correct legal term is "illegal alien". The word "immigrant" means one who intends to settle in a place, which illegal aliens could not do because their presence here is illegal, meaning against the law. The word "alien" means only that they are not US citizens. Therefore, any term other than "illegal alien" is legally incorrect.

Sue Cundiff-Nation
Sue Cundiff-Nation

They are illegal, they didnt come here legally, they broke the law coming here. It is insulting to our legal immigrants for the illegals to be given special treatment when one of the things required of legal immigrants is to obeythe laws of this, their chosen country.

Marco Fonseca
Marco Fonseca
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

Yep, maybe "Trespassers" or "Invaders" would suit better.

Rude Calderon
Rude Calderon
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

I came here legally and am now a U. S. citizen. I do not find it insulting. Don't speak for me... Do you really know the main causes for all this undocumented immigration? Did you know that most crisis in Latin America that caused this were caused by American intervention and Imperialism? Read history and inform yourself! Another thing, the American history we get in our schools is pure brain wash...

William McDonald
William McDonald
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

Rude Calderon : The education system in the U.S. sucks because the idiot PC police are interested in feelings instead of inteligence. They are the ones who want "Undocumented Immigrants" to get full imedately citizenship without the penalty of comming here illegally (screw the people who followed the law). They also want to tax you so heavly that you and your family can barely make ends meet, so they can give money to people who do nothing but watch TV all day, or measure how far snails...

Rude Calderon : The education system in the U.S. sucks because the idiot PC police are interested in feelings instead of inteligence. They are the ones who want "Undocumented Immigrants" to get full imedately citizenship without the penalty of comming here illegally (screw the people who followed the law). They also want to tax you so heavly that you and your family can barely make ends meet, so they can give money to people who do nothing but watch TV all day, or measure how far snails travel in a day, or teach kindergardeners how to properly use condoms.

Samuel Pharris
Samuel Pharris
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

Illegal means exactly what is said. Sort of politcal correct to not say illegal? Illegal means some broke a law.

Ray Grandon
Ray Grandon

Law breaker is more correct!

Pat Cooper
Pat Cooper

O.K. If you don't like illegal immigrant; how 'bout "criminal". Both are factual. Take your pick. On the other hand; why don't you try Not telling others what to say or think or print.

Joyce Rousselot
Joyce Rousselot

It's so refreshing to hear about the warm welcome reserved for migrant workers coming in through the front door. I would love to know the official statistics about how many unskilled labourers manage to get a legal worki visa. I know because it happened to me. Only one person in these 86 comments mentioned overhauling the system for guest workers, just one. What is the PC term for all the employers giving jobs to undocumented 'aliens'. (Incidentaly, I love that term - makes me think...

It's so refreshing to hear about the warm welcome reserved for migrant workers coming in through the front door. I would love to know the official statistics about how many unskilled labourers manage to get a legal worki visa. I know because it happened to me. Only one person in these 86 comments mentioned overhauling the system for guest workers, just one. What is the PC term for all the employers giving jobs to undocumented 'aliens'. (Incidentaly, I love that term - makes me think of little green men from Mars). Would they be called 'illegal employers' or what? If no cheap labour was required why would dirt poor people risk life and limb to get over the border. The broader issue is that virtually every country in the world has it's share of people doing the cruddiest jobs for a pittance. Without them the economy would fall to pieces. So, give them visas, give them a respectable status and let them become part of the system to want to be part of. Whoever thinks they come looking for 'better jobs' they just need a job because their prospets at home are so bleak: no jobs, no social security system and no hope for a better life for themselves and their families. Put the boot on the other foot, ie Mexico was a developed country and the US the poor country next door wouldn't you want to go there if you knew there were jobs for the asking?

Steven Spiegel
Steven Spiegel

You know what they call a North American who is in Mexico illegally? INMATE!
What ever happened to our 5 th amendment? If we want to call them illegal Felons we hould be able to.

Helena Wilcox
Helena Wilcox

Definition of IMMIGRANT: one that immigrates: as. a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence with proper documentation. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT N. an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa. Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME! Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;.
has...

Definition of IMMIGRANT: one that immigrates: as. a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence with proper documentation. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT N. an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa. Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME! Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;.
has committed a federal crime. Nothing wrong with being an IMMIGRANT as long as you have the proper paperwork and permission to do so. Big problem if you are of the ILLEGAL kind committing a federal crime by being here without permission.

Sarai Miller Powell
Sarai Miller Powell

A LICENSED driver running a red light is against the law, but you can't categorize them with those who are UNlicensed: the categories are separate. That person is DRIVING illegally, therefore did not learn the rules, support the driving taxes, nor is pay insurance for the car they operate. They are ILLEGAL. This is not a difficult concept. My 3 1/2 year old can understand this logic, so why can't the "older and wiser".

Joseph Newman
Joseph Newman

In 1846, the President of the United States, declared war on the United Mexican States. The issue between the two nations was over disputed territory connected to the United States annexation of Texas. Prevarications and lies surrounded the break out of hostilities that led to the Mexican-American War (U.S. title assigned to the war) or the “The War of Northern Aggression” (Mexico’s title assigned to the hostilities).

In war, truth is the first casualty.

What must be known before we...

In 1846, the President of the United States, declared war on the United Mexican States. The issue between the two nations was over disputed territory connected to the United States annexation of Texas. Prevarications and lies surrounded the break out of hostilities that led to the Mexican-American War (U.S. title assigned to the war) or the “The War of Northern Aggression” (Mexico’s title assigned to the hostilities).

In war, truth is the first casualty.

What must be known before we consider in earnest the issue of immigration, is that in the late 1500’s, a commercial highway of sorts evolved between Santa Fe (NM) and Mexico City (Mexico), people traveled and pursued commercial transactions, transported goods, exercised government, and pursued religious conversion on or along this trail. The Chihuahua Trail, as it came to be known, is integral to the development of and the history of both the American People and the Mexican People.

What I am trying to say is that to understand the issue of immigration, we must understand and appreciate the historical pre-conditions that circumscribe the issue of immigration.

In reality, the “Mexican-American War” (United States’ POV) or the “War of Northern Aggression” (Mexico’s POV) was similar to the 1991 Gulf War. At that time President Saddam Hussein of Iraq took steps to annex Kuwait claiming it to be a 19th century province of Iraq. President Saddam Hussein flouted international convention to follow an expansionist policy. In the same manner President Polk inebriated by notions of American Exceptionalism, Providential Manifest Destiny, pursued a policy of westward expansion to the Pacific Coast in the West. The difference between Saddam Hussein and President Polk is that President Polk was successful in his military endeavors and Saddam Hussein was not.

“To the victor belong the spoils!” – William Learned Marcy.

Yes the plunder and spoils of war for the United States was, in 1848, what the southwest part of our country is now.

Who is an immigrant?

What does it mean to be legal? What does it mean to be illegal?

In the end, isn't legality or illegality basically an arbitrary legislation and adjudication?

Am I, an American of Irish, English and Dutch ancestry, a legal resident of the State of New Mexico or am I a foreign immigrant (legal or otherwise) who resides in New Mexico?

Are citizens of Mexico from the State of Chihuahua who likely have familial bonds (biological ties) with citizens of the United States, particular in the states of New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona, more or less legal or illegal than let’s say, I?

Who can tell me who rightly belongs?

Isn't it arbitrary or capricious who is considered legal and who is not?

Isn't legality a determination left to economic interests and the political wiles of the powerful, the moral turpitude of society’s elite?

History shows us that borders change; people once consider legal become illegal; citizens become foreigners on soil that they have inhabited for generations.

Maybe it is time to end this nomenclature of naming, of identifying, human beings as such and such.

Maybe it is time for the Chihuahua Trail to open again and once again become a free zone for commerce, cultural exchange, and unimpeded business transactions. (History be damned!)

The borders in our minds have become barriers conceived in and imposed by and through the perversity of our imaginings.

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