Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig

I am not racist or against immigrants, no matter how they come here. But the point is, it's a factual statement. If you immigrate illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. 'Undocumented' implies that our government has somehow lapsed in not noticing them--this is not the point. We do allow immigrants, but they have to go through a process. Skipping the line is not okay and avoiding a factual and correct term in order to avoid stepping on toes is condoning what they are doing, which is...

I am not racist or against immigrants, no matter how they come here. But the point is, it's a factual statement. If you immigrate illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. 'Undocumented' implies that our government has somehow lapsed in not noticing them--this is not the point. We do allow immigrants, but they have to go through a process. Skipping the line is not okay and avoiding a factual and correct term in order to avoid stepping on toes is condoning what they are doing, which is breaking the law.

If someone runs a red light, then yes, they are driving illegally. But we don't call them an illegal driver because that doesn't describe a constant situation or state. If someone doesn't have a driver's license, then they are an illegal driver because they are in a state of illegality, not just a one-time offender. Illegal immigrants live in America illegally and are likewise in a state of illegality. We aren't saying the humans are illegal--being a human is always legal. However, they are illegal immigrants.

This petition just spotlights a major issue in American culture right now. Our need to be uber-PC might avoid stepping on a few toes right now but ultimately will devastate our morals in the long run. Let’s be honest—the truth is sometimes hard. A rapist is not a nonconsensual sex partner. A drug dealer is not an undocumented pharmacist. No one is worried about hurting their feelings clearly.

I understand that America is truly the land of promise for many. I sympathize with many citizens, especially those in Mexico oppressed under a corrupt government and stuck in a cycle of poverty. But in our compassion, let us not condone breaking the law and teach that laws are only to be followed when things are easy. This petition skews the issue. Rather than a simple term, we should be focusing on how we can aid oppressed people and streamline the immigration process to make it feasible for foreigners, especially Mexican citizens to live in America.

I am not anti-immigrant. My family immigrated from Germany in the 60s and we did it legally. There is no reason why other people should not be called out for skipping the process and breaking the line when people like my family follow America's policy.

Steinar Andersen
Steinar Andersen
  • Alexandra Seelig

This legal immigrant agrees with you.

Lewis Bloomfield
Lewis Bloomfield
  • Alexandra Seelig

ok then Ross, how about criminal. Lets just call them criminals, all those criminals, because that sounds better right!??

Jesus this thing is full of all sorts of stupid.

William Brummett
William Brummett
  • Alexandra Seelig

Ross Warsing and they do it everyday so they are illegal

Mike Nolan
Mike Nolan
  • Alexandra Seelig

Actually, no criminal laws have been broken by individuals who entered the country without documents. Your statement shows bitterness rather than facts.

David Polk
David Polk
  • Alexandra Seelig

I agree lets call them by the name that they are lawbreaking, tax money stealing, immigrants that come here illegally by breaking the law set forth in our land

Sharyn Beers
Sharyn Beers
  • Alexandra Seelig

Actually, the correct legal term is "illegal alien". The word "immigrant" means one who intends to settle in a place, which illegal aliens could not do because their presence here is illegal, meaning against the law. The word "alien" means only that they are not US citizens. Therefore, any term other than "illegal alien" is legally incorrect.

Ariza Ariza
Ariza Ariza

We are citizens of the world: Today there are not ideological frontiers, there are not nationalistic obstacles. We are in the great Global Village. Nobody who wants to live in peace can be considered as illegal person anywhere. We are in a so wonderful cultural, political and social hibridization, countries must enter in a new fraternal paradigm away and free of racism, segregation, exclusion or social discrimination.

Ariza Ariza
Ariza Ariza
  • Ariza Ariza

Traducción: Somos ciudadanos y ciudadanas del mundo: hoy no hay fronteras ideológicas, no hay obstáculos nacionalistas. Estamos en la gran Aldea Global. Alguien que quiera vivir en paz no puede ser considerado como una persona ilegal en ningún lugar. Estamos en una muy maravillosa hibridización cultural, política y social, los países tienen que entrar en un nuevo paradigma fraternal lejos y libre de racismo, segregación, exclusión o discriminación social.

Dale Nakedtoad
Dale Nakedtoad
  • Ariza Ariza

What Balderdash! We have an orderly system for others to come here. It requires among other things health tests before being granted a visa. The illegal immigrants coming to this country are bringing in deadly diseases that are resistant to all of our current anti-biotics. The mother of one of the girls my daughter was in Girl Scouts with died of an incurable strain of tuberculoses brought here by an illegal immigrant from Argentina. This young woman died and left her children without a...

What Balderdash! We have an orderly system for others to come here. It requires among other things health tests before being granted a visa. The illegal immigrants coming to this country are bringing in deadly diseases that are resistant to all of our current anti-biotics. The mother of one of the girls my daughter was in Girl Scouts with died of an incurable strain of tuberculoses brought here by an illegal immigrant from Argentina. This young woman died and left her children without a mother because the law was not followed.

They are overtaxing our schools. They are disproportionately increasing our crime rate with everything from shop lifting to gangland rapes and murders. They are overburdening our health care systems. These are not my opinions these are facts.

Ariza Ariza
Ariza Ariza
  • Ariza Ariza

A propósito de mi maravillosa idea arriba descrita, esto fue algo comentado por un ciudadano gringo: I am not a citizen of the "Global Village". I am a citizen of the United States of America. You seem to be a citizen of Fantasyland. Traduzco: "Yo no soy un ciudadano de la Aldea Global. Yo soy un ciudadano de los EUA. Tú pareces ser una ciudadana de la Tierra de la Fantasía" . Gracioso pero a la vez confirma que hay egoísmo y nacionalismo reactivo del pensamiento ciudadano yanqui frente a...

A propósito de mi maravillosa idea arriba descrita, esto fue algo comentado por un ciudadano gringo: I am not a citizen of the "Global Village". I am a citizen of the United States of America. You seem to be a citizen of Fantasyland. Traduzco: "Yo no soy un ciudadano de la Aldea Global. Yo soy un ciudadano de los EUA. Tú pareces ser una ciudadana de la Tierra de la Fantasía" . Gracioso pero a la vez confirma que hay egoísmo y nacionalismo reactivo del pensamiento ciudadano yanqui frente a una propuesta de solidaridad social y política mundial, (ver comentarios hechos dentro de la página, comparto algunos otros no).

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Ariza Ariza

Alexandra, I am so flattered that you used my comment to make a point. I'm glad you were able to see the humor. I'm proud to be a Yankee, and proud of my reactive nationalism which I call patriotism. If I appear selfish to you then so be it.

Sue Cundiff-Nation
Sue Cundiff-Nation

They are illegal, they didnt come here legally, they broke the law coming here. It is insulting to our legal immigrants for the illegals to be given special treatment when one of the things required of legal immigrants is to obeythe laws of this, their chosen country.

Marco Antonio Fonseca
Marco Antonio Fonseca
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

Yep, maybe "Trespassers" or "Invaders" would suit better.

Rude Calderon
Rude Calderon
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

I came here legally and am now a U. S. citizen. I do not find it insulting. Don't speak for me... Do you really know the main causes for all this undocumented immigration? Did you know that most crisis in Latin America that caused this were caused by American intervention and Imperialism? Read history and inform yourself! Another thing, the American history we get in our schools is pure brain wash...

Lee Mc Donald
Lee Mc Donald
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

Rude Calderon : The education system in the U.S. sucks because the idiot PC police are interested in feelings instead of inteligence. They are the ones who want "Undocumented Immigrants" to get full imedately citizenship without the penalty of comming here illegally (screw the people who followed the law). They also want to tax you so heavly that you and your family can barely make ends meet, so they can give money to people who do nothing but watch TV all day, or measure how far snails...

Rude Calderon : The education system in the U.S. sucks because the idiot PC police are interested in feelings instead of inteligence. They are the ones who want "Undocumented Immigrants" to get full imedately citizenship without the penalty of comming here illegally (screw the people who followed the law). They also want to tax you so heavly that you and your family can barely make ends meet, so they can give money to people who do nothing but watch TV all day, or measure how far snails travel in a day, or teach kindergardeners how to properly use condoms.

Samuel Pharris
Samuel Pharris
  • Sue Cundiff-Nation

Illegal means exactly what is said. Sort of politcal correct to not say illegal? Illegal means some broke a law.

Larry Williamson
Larry Williamson

I agree with the previous poster. They are here illegally. Therefore, they are illegal immigrants. We need immigration reform to give them a path to legal status.

Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig
  • Larry Williamson

This petition ignores the issue: our immigration system.

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Larry Williamson

No we don't need "immigration reform". We need to ENFORCE our current immigration laws.

Vanessa Cavaliere
Vanessa Cavaliere
  • Larry Williamson

First of all, if we had better control of our borders there wouldn't be illegal immigrants here so it's our fault.

J Patrick Platter
J Patrick Platter

Let's NOT sugar-coat this and use fluffy PC terms to soften the impact of what we're talking about.
Illegal means NOT LEGAL. IMMIGRANT is someone who moves into another country. Therefore, someone who moves into another country by non-legal means is an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
Speak the truth, understand the facts.

Marie-Stan Remigereau
Marie-Stan Remigereau
  • J Patrick Platter

On behalf of the LEGAL immigrants in this country, thank you!

Jaden Andrea
Jaden Andrea
  • J Patrick Platter

That's... so... unnecessary.

Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig
  • J Patrick Platter

Well said. I'm so glad to see someone else equally troubled by America's overly sensitive take on anything remotely involving race.

Melissa Harrison White

If you do not go through the proper procedures, you are here illegally. There's no other way to say it. My husband is moving here from Australia and we are going through all the proper procedures. It's time consuming and costly, but it's LEGAL.

Darlene Paterson Thomas
Darlene Paterson Thomas
  • Melissa Harrison White

You tell them, Melissa!

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Melissa Harrison White

I wish the two of you all the best!

Alexandra Seelig
Alexandra Seelig
  • Melissa Harrison White

Thank you! It would be an insult to people like you to ignore the people that skip that consuming and costly process.

Loren Butler
Loren Butler

how about we call them criminals, which is the more correct term as they are breaking laws.

Steinar Andersen
Steinar Andersen
  • Loren Butler

Agreed.

David Polk
David Polk
  • Loren Butler

Amen

Beemeth Robles
Beemeth Robles
  • Loren Butler

It is what it is.... just the facts.

Todd McIntyre
Todd McIntyre

I support the Times, why do need to pay someone elses taxes. For that matter put the well fair comes that can work to work or they do not receive their benefits.

Juan Valero Tamara Scurlock
Juan Valero Tamara Scurlock
  • Todd McIntyre

Todd do your resech and fin out who really is using well fair.

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Todd McIntyre

In other words-research, find, and welfare. I"m getting pretty good at deciphering Juan's mis-spelled rants.

Craig Dobson
Craig Dobson

Being someone who came here LEGALLY, paid taxes, paid naturalization fees, paid social security and being someone who was brought over by my parents, I think everyone else should go thru the LEGAL process just like us Europeans! Just because you can walk across the border doesn't make it right! This is a great country who will welcome anyone, just do it legally, pay your own way, and assimilate into the culture with everyone else.

Steinar Andersen
Steinar Andersen
  • Craig Dobson

Amen (and pass the Tylenol)...... :)

Adrienne Schiele
Adrienne Schiele
  • Craig Dobson

Very well said. Congrats on doing it the RiGHT and LEGAL way

William Larry Stockton

no matter it is they still illegal keep it that way if that's the case call prisoners bystanders what's the different both broke the law keep it the same as it is.

William Stockton
William Stockton
  • William Larry Stockton

if you are illegal you are a illegal what we going to call convicts now bystanders there is no different in between the two

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