Autumn Polans
Autumn Polans

Gays weren't allowed in yet, so there goes that argument. Yes Susan one signature will make a difference because it's followed by another one signature. As someone said don't forget this country was built on the backs of veterans.

Bill Skaggs
Bill Skaggs
  • Autumn Polans

What about the non-Christian veterans? Shouldn't they be included?

Jack Cunningham
Jack Cunningham

Chip God Away One Day At A Time

This is another disgrace. Call your members of Congress. Get involved...

Military Academy may drop the phrase SO HELP ME GOD

http://www.americans-working-together.com/stop_abuse_of_political_power/id18.html

Bill Skaggs
Bill Skaggs
  • Jack Cunningham

Not every American is Christian. I don't care if you worship your god, but don't force others to do so under the guise of patriotism. A non-Christian can serve our country as well as any.

Deanna Mae Holloway
Deanna Mae Holloway

Either love this country with all of it's religious memorials and our freedoms to express our love and appreciation for those who have fought for these freedoms or take the first plane to Afghanistan and join the other God haters!

Bill Skaggs
Bill Skaggs
  • Deanna Mae Holloway

So forget about the Constitution and kick out all the non-Christians?

Vanessa Johns
Vanessa Johns

Having religion is our given right we can express it...free country!! Freedom

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • Vanessa Johns

At your place of worship or on your private property you are free to do as you please. However, you are not free to erect permanent religious symbols on public property for your personal benefit.

Roger E Carmichael
Roger E Carmichael
  • Vanessa Johns

1st amendment freedom of speech, press and peaceable assembly protects our rights of expression- A solution to the dilemma is to throw Michelin Tyres over the cross to cover it from view & make a statement of what the Viet Nam War was all about- It was a "Police Action" because the purpose was to protect the Wall Street investments in the Michellin Tyre Corporation. How do I know this? In 1987 the Army Map Service surveyed the entire country from DMZ to Mekong Delta for accurate artillery...

1st amendment freedom of speech, press and peaceable assembly protects our rights of expression- A solution to the dilemma is to throw Michelin Tyres over the cross to cover it from view & make a statement of what the Viet Nam War was all about- It was a "Police Action" because the purpose was to protect the Wall Street investments in the Michellin Tyre Corporation. How do I know this? In 1987 the Army Map Service surveyed the entire country from DMZ to Mekong Delta for accurate artillery maps JIT for Tet offensive. We measured 1000's of acres of Michellin Tyre Corp. where we were NOT allowed to conduct combat operations. When an aircraft went down, we surveyed tree damage & issued documents authorizing US Treasury to reimburse Michellin Tyre Corp. for damages inflicted on thier property by US armed forces- Bet U didn't know it.

Roger E Carmichael
Roger E Carmichael
  • Vanessa Johns

I meant 1967, NOT 1987 as I was 27yrs old then- born 1939

Angel Ama
Angel Ama
  • Vanessa Johns

It is usually about money production !

Suzanne Strache
Suzanne Strache
  • Vanessa Johns

Individuals can express their beliefs, sure. But the government cannot. It must remain neutral. And religious messages and symbols on government property constitute government speech. Public property must remain neutral in regards to religion.

David Cernazanu
David Cernazanu

YOU KNOW WHAT!!!! I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT TO WHINE AND MOAN ABOUT STUFF LIKE THERE BEING A CROSS. THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON A FOUNDATION OF FAITH AND MANY HAVE FOUGHT AND GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE OFFENDED BY A CROSS, YOU THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING FOR YOU. I AM OFFENDED BY YOU WANTING TO CHANGE OUR HISTORY, SO I HAVE AN IDEA,,,,,LETS GET RID OF YOU!! I COULD SAY SO MUCH MORE BUT I WILL STOP HERE BEFORE I REALLY GET UPSET!

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • David Cernazanu

Actually, The United States is a secular nation founded by deists who wanted to avoid a theocracy.

Ed Borman
Ed Borman

I just have one question, what do they think is placed at the head of each grave at Arlington Cemetery, the flag? If the cross is acceptable on the graves, then why is not acceptable on the memorial.

Cecelia Smith
Cecelia Smith
  • Ed Borman

Exactly, I agree with you.

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • Ed Borman

This religious symbol is at a public park and is not a private grave.

Suzanne Strache
Suzanne Strache
  • Ed Borman

At Arlington, or an cemetery, a grave marker represents the individual buried there. That person had the right to declare any religious affiliation and have that be represented on their grave marker. A memorial is not a grave, and does not represent one individual's personal choice of religious symbolism. It is supposed to represent ALL veterans who served there, not just the ones who identify with the cross.

Rodney Boyles
Rodney Boyles
  • Ed Borman

What do the veterans say about it? Does the cross bother the wounded, the broken or the dead?

Thomas Melas
Thomas Melas
  • Ed Borman

I am starting to believe, after listening to this debate go back and forth, that the only people in this country who should be allowed a vote on any matter are the veterans of this country - the rest of the country seems to be rapidly approaching a level of pettiness and stupidity that makes me wonder if any of you are worth our time and the sacrifices we've made for this country on your behalf. Any monument is a good monument and a pretty cheap and easy way to say thank you, don't you...

I am starting to believe, after listening to this debate go back and forth, that the only people in this country who should be allowed a vote on any matter are the veterans of this country - the rest of the country seems to be rapidly approaching a level of pettiness and stupidity that makes me wonder if any of you are worth our time and the sacrifices we've made for this country on your behalf. Any monument is a good monument and a pretty cheap and easy way to say thank you, don't you think? In the end, the lesson from any monument is very simple, remember those who actually paid for decisions made by those you elected, and count the actual cost in men and money before you make a similar choice in the future. Don't go around kicking over what someone else has built; if it offends you, build one in your own design, send your own version of the message. Life is offensive, but not as offensive as you people wasting your life on matters that are of no real consequence. Build a better monument, right beside any you don't like, or take the word freedom out of the name of your group because you have corrupted the very concept to fit a personal agenda built from too much time on the internet and not enough time in the real world.

Julane Jazzique
Julane Jazzique

F. PC. No more bowing down to the evil that is, Political Correctness. It's Not correct, it is undoing all that is good in our country. Why is there never Tolerance from the PC

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • Julane Jazzique

@Julane Jazzique, tolerance would start with not erecting a Christian symbol on public property. You are confusing "political correctness" with constitutional rights.

Julane Jazzique
Julane Jazzique
  • Julane Jazzique

Patrick. I'm Jewish. I tolerate the Cross because it is a symbolic meaning of Tolerance. It is intolerantance, that is dividing our country. Cloaked in PC . People who are PC, that is their religion of intolerance , must be their way, or no way. Somewhat Nazi like, since The IRS, fanatics, etc will go after you. Our Countries heritage is based on Judeo/ Christian values. Our Constitution was written to also gaurd those values.

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • Julane Jazzique

So? Your point was lost when you evoked Godwin's Law and ran off on some incoherent non sequitur about the IRS. If you take a moment to review your own history, you will quickly realize tolerance is not a word one would associate with Christianity.

Julane Jazzique
Julane Jazzique
  • Julane Jazzique

When leaders and People use their religions as power over people, like The Religion Of PC. Christianty is Based on A Jewish Teacher, whom some call the Messiah. His teachings never included what people have done in Jesus name. That is people doing that. Governments, people, doing that. The IRS was an example of how the intolerant use their power to decimate those of a differing view. No Tolerance. I'm curious, since you bring up long ago history of evil done upon humans in the name of...

When leaders and People use their religions as power over people, like The Religion Of PC. Christianty is Based on A Jewish Teacher, whom some call the Messiah. His teachings never included what people have done in Jesus name. That is people doing that. Governments, people, doing that. The IRS was an example of how the intolerant use their power to decimate those of a differing view. No Tolerance. I'm curious, since you bring up long ago history of evil done upon humans in the name of Christ. Why do you PC types not bring up the present time horror done to woman ,children, animals in the name of Islam? How come you keep quiet about those Present time atrocities , yet gather like jackels against long ago events done in the name of Christianty. See, the PC religion is very hypocritical.

David Lohr
David Lohr

What kind of country removes memorials to fallen soldiers. I don't give a crap what a few atheists think. It's time for majority rule. Stop catering to a couple nut jobs trying to destroy the values of this country.

Cecelia Smith
Cecelia Smith
  • David Lohr

Excuse me! I'm an athiest and I don't agree with your vet memorial being removed, so please stop saying this is about athiests!! It has nothing to do with that and contrary to what some people think, I know of several athiests that are great people that would give you the shirt off their back and die for you so quit with the disrespectful remarks please.

Elissa Donahue
Elissa Donahue
  • David Lohr

Cecelia Smith, all 72,000 thousands of the freedom agaisnt Religion members are Athiest, they are the ones causing this!!! you can't blame people for being upset!!!!

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • David Lohr

The US also doesn't recognize mob rule.

Rose Possien
Rose Possien
  • David Lohr

David Lohr, I so agree and I ask why is another group's wishes more important than the supporters of this monument, 'sides those flipping idiots couldn't speak their wishes if not for those who fought for their freedom including those fallen.

Jean Brown
Jean Brown
  • David Lohr

Your right Patrick. The US doesn't recognize mob rule so why would the US recognize anti Christian bullies like yourself and those of your kind.

Jean Brown
Jean Brown
  • David Lohr

And GET A LIFE!

Jean Brown
Jean Brown
  • David Lohr

How will your last resting place be marked. Or will your people just dig a hole and kick you in or maybe just take your remains to the garbage dump and run you over with a bulldozer.

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • David Lohr

Jean, please try to control your emotions. We are having a discussion. In addition, please review the Constitution before firing off misguided, knee-jerk responses.

Glenna Hatcher
Glenna Hatcher

Haven't our Vietnam Veteran's been unappreciated enough !

Yonis Crantz
Yonis Crantz
  • Glenna Hatcher

That's a great way of putting this sad situation.

Patrick Quinn
Patrick Quinn
  • Glenna Hatcher

Glenna, it was vets that filed this petition. You are assuming all vets want this religious display on public property. Being "unappreciated" and removing a constitutional violation from a public park are two unrelated events.

Pegi Walker
Pegi Walker
  • Glenna Hatcher

Mr Quinn should spend his time making his comments on one of the Non-Christian, non-Cross believing sites. Obviously they are not appreciated or shared on this "Save the Monument with the Cross" for OUR veterans. I would guarantee there are very MANY more vets believing and thanking GOD to this day and everything that Cross represents as opposed to those he referred to.

Dennis Shawn Lettau
Dennis Shawn Lettau

Let us NOT FORGET at the Nation's War Memorial Arlington National Cemetery in Washington DC - there are crosses on all the graves of the men and women who fought and died to protect "OUR" freedom. Men and women continue to risk all to protect that freedom. Take heed all you who would strike at the heart of the freedom's you enjoy (your ability to protest, etc. ) - there may come a time we will not have them. Respect is earned, and as Lincoln said those that fought AND DIED gave the "last...

Let us NOT FORGET at the Nation's War Memorial Arlington National Cemetery in Washington DC - there are crosses on all the graves of the men and women who fought and died to protect "OUR" freedom. Men and women continue to risk all to protect that freedom. Take heed all you who would strike at the heart of the freedom's you enjoy (your ability to protest, etc. ) - there may come a time we will not have them. Respect is earned, and as Lincoln said those that fought AND DIED gave the "last full measure" for US IN THE U.S. (granted war is NOT AN ANSWER - but a response, an action in reaction).

Erin Whitty
Erin Whitty
  • Dennis Shawn Lettau

Dennis Shawn Lettau have you ever been to Arlington? not all the headstones have crosses. some have nothing but the name,some have a star of David and I'm sure that there are probably some that have a symbol that represents other religious beliefs as well. I agree that the memorial ought to be saved,I just wanted to make sure that your opening statement was correct and as I have been to Arlington and seen with my own eyes the headstones,your statement that ALL the graves have crosses is inaccurate.

Jill Cooke
Jill Cooke
  • Dennis Shawn Lettau

*****Let us NOT FORGET at the Nation's War Memorial Arlington National Cemetery in Washington DC - there are crosses on all the graves of the men and women who fought and died to protect "OUR" freedom****

Jill Cooke
Jill Cooke
  • Dennis Shawn Lettau

Dennis, there are symbols of all faiths at Arlington. Have you ever been there? It's a cemetery. Christians aren't special, nor are they the only ones that died in US wars.

Dennis Shawn Lettau
Dennis Shawn Lettau
  • Dennis Shawn Lettau

Dear Erin and Jill - the point I was trying to make was this - at Arlington (yes there are veterans buried of all faiths, races, and creeds - the common thread is they sought and fought for freedom), and I don't know about you - but when I looked out over the vista - the most striking aspect were the rows of crosses - prominently sticking out for all to enjoy! Arlington used to belong to Robert E Lee's family - and became a memorial to all battle - all war, and a symbol of National Pride - let us NOT FORGET the Eternal Flame!

Dennis Shawn Lettau
Dennis Shawn Lettau
  • Dennis Shawn Lettau

Boy how I wish I could edit? There I meant to say striking - but sticking works too- my bad! Thanks you for your thoughtful comments - to spark a dialogue of any kind demonstrates freedom at its core! Editing or not!

Suzanne Strache
Suzanne Strache
  • Dennis Shawn Lettau

Where were the rows and rows of crosses? What I saw were rows and rows of grave markers that were NOT cross-shaped. Each headstone can bear a carving of whatever religious symbol (military-approved) that the interred declared in life. That is their right and their choice. That marker represents that ONE person. Not the same as a memorial on public land that is meant to honor and represent all who fought.

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