Sylvie Haller
Sylvie Haller

la chasse, un sport? les chasseurs, des amis de la nature et des animaux? et en plus c'est un lobby, parce qu'à ma connaissance les gens sont très majoritairement contre la chasse.

Von Broadley-Doyle
Von Broadley-Doyle

Fucking bastards...put one of those hunters in a room with me for a few minutes!

Brandon Smith
Brandon Smith
  • Von Broadley-Doyle

Lets do it

Robert Bell
Robert Bell
  • Von Broadley-Doyle

What would you do kill me hypocrnite

Robert Bell
Robert Bell
  • Von Broadley-Doyle

Sorry meant hypocrite darn auto correct

Robert Bell
Robert Bell
  • Von Broadley-Doyle

Nice language by the way

Von Broadley-Doyle
Von Broadley-Doyle
  • Von Broadley-Doyle

I can say what I like,thankyou...it would appear from your facebook page that you love to kill, maim and hunt animals. I don't care that you grew up with it at all, it just shows how common and naive you are? My father taught me to shoot but I never killed animals! Your sort, would pee your pants if hunted,and beg for mercy...why don't you try it? I am not the hypocrite...guess you should look in the mirror.

Tom Falletta
Tom Falletta

I mean I agree with this in theory and I feel like it most places there is absolutely no need for it but there are still people in remote areas of alaska and the north west that rely on hunting as a means of a survival, they don't hunt they don't eat, now whether or not you agree with it is a different story but this cannot work at least without some exemptions.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Tom Falletta

I agree with that. In some areas of indigenous people, it is still a necessity of life. This petition is not targeting them. For they do not call themselves "sportsmen"

Tom Falletta
Tom Falletta
  • Tom Falletta

i dont see anywhere that there are any exemptions it appears that this is a petition to make hunting illegal in general, just because they said hunters or "sportsmen" it didnt say anything about only making hunting for sport illegal

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Tom Falletta

This is only a first step... to show our numbers frankly, let them see how many people do not agree with what is being done in our world. when you come right down to actually creating Bills and laws to be signed, that is when you get to do the exceptions.

Michael Craff
Michael Craff

In this day in age of grocery stores. Why hunt poor defenseless animal? It makes no sense! Then you turn around and teach your sons this! Redelicious false passage into manhood! No! This must end now!

Kathryn Anne Sinclair
Kathryn Anne Sinclair
  • Michael Craff

Right! Grocery stores...but the meat you eat from the store probably lived a life of hell before it ended up hanging from a hook in a slauterhouse! Have you seen how the poor animals are treated in there? That doesn't mean that I think hunting is right! I don't. But we do have to figure out how to treat these poor creatures humanely!

Traci Bayless
Traci Bayless
  • Michael Craff

Kathryn Anne Sinclair We do it by not eating them. I am a vegetarian and receive all the nutrients and vitamins and minerals I need without the harming of an animal be it by the so called 'sport' of hunting or a grocery store.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell
  • Michael Craff

Yea where do the grocery stores get the meat? You think there is a tree that grows meat on its branches? Next time you shove a Burger in your mouth think . Huh somebody killed a animal

Nathalie Yelle
Nathalie Yelle

signé

James Volinsky
James Volinsky
  • Nathalie Yelle

Yes people, let's eliminate hunting so that all animal populations can grow grossly out of proportion. Then, these animals will only have to worry about outgrowing where they can live( they will now reside in your yard and on our streets) and they will run out of food, because there is nothing to keep their population in check. So, now they can be killed by cars(resulting in billions of $'s in insurance claims and human deaths) and they will starve to death(which is much more humane)....

Yes people, let's eliminate hunting so that all animal populations can grow grossly out of proportion. Then, these animals will only have to worry about outgrowing where they can live( they will now reside in your yard and on our streets) and they will run out of food, because there is nothing to keep their population in check. So, now they can be killed by cars(resulting in billions of $'s in insurance claims and human deaths) and they will starve to death(which is much more humane). Seriously people, get ALL OF THE FACTS before you start a misconceived petition.

Rex Pfister
Rex Pfister
  • Nathalie Yelle

Wow, I don't believe it someone with some common sense posted in this section. I don't hunt myself but I do know it is a vital factor in this society. I am however an avid fisherman and if I catch it I eat it. For those here that think hunters go out and kill something for the fun of it, haven't been hunting much. Deer season is in the Winter and most hunter sit in a deer stand in the freezing cold and hope that a deer will come along so they can get a clear shot and more then one meal. Many...

Wow, I don't believe it someone with some common sense posted in this section. I don't hunt myself but I do know it is a vital factor in this society. I am however an avid fisherman and if I catch it I eat it. For those here that think hunters go out and kill something for the fun of it, haven't been hunting much. Deer season is in the Winter and most hunter sit in a deer stand in the freezing cold and hope that a deer will come along so they can get a clear shot and more then one meal. Many people like deer meat over beef and you can't buy it in the market. The next thing you know every vegan in the country will want us to stop raising cattle, pig, chickens, sheep or any other animal. Man is a carnivore and as time has gone his teeth and body have conformed to the difference in diet just like other animals have evolved to their environments.

Dale J. Kidd
Dale J. Kidd
  • Nathalie Yelle

Hit the nail right on the head, James. This is why far-reaching decisions have to be based on logic, not emotion. Some days I wish someone had smacked Walt Disney right upside the head the day he approved the script for "Bambi".

Franklin Hynes
Franklin Hynes

Humans are grossly over populated, and yet they seem to think they have the right to control the over-population of other species without attending to their own problem. In this case, it is just an excuse to go out and kill. A disgusting lust for blood. Animals would have plenty of food if humans were not destroying their habitat. I don't think that hunters, especially those who practice deliberate gut shooting should have any pride in themselves. These days people who eat meat get it...

Humans are grossly over populated, and yet they seem to think they have the right to control the over-population of other species without attending to their own problem. In this case, it is just an excuse to go out and kill. A disgusting lust for blood. Animals would have plenty of food if humans were not destroying their habitat. I don't think that hunters, especially those who practice deliberate gut shooting should have any pride in themselves. These days people who eat meat get it from the supermarket, they don't need to go out and hunt. And yes, speaking for myself, I am a vegetarian and I don't buy leather. However, many meat eaters are trying to make the area of animal slaughter as humane as it can possibly be. Hunting, in the current climate, is populated by some real human scum. Look on YouTube if you doubt this. Many hunters now enjoy killing and do their best to hurt the animals and cause as much suffering as possible.

Kathryn Anne Sinclair
Kathryn Anne Sinclair
  • Franklin Hynes

I think those who must hunt for their food, can be accepted...if they truely need the food, do it humanely, and USE ALL of the animal they have killed. Those who hunt for 'fun' are barbarians!

Valerie Barr
Valerie Barr
  • Franklin Hynes

Nobody needs to hunt for food anymore. The Indians did maybe years ago. We don't. I haven't eaten meat in 20 years simply for humane reasons. No problem.

Beverly Gannon
Beverly Gannon
  • Franklin Hynes

frankilin , i agree with you entirely. so sad abouy all the lovely animals

Julie Gordon
Julie Gordon
  • Franklin Hynes

WRONG, Valerie! Apparently, you think that someone simply "takes care of" the nutritional needs of those who do not qualify for government assistance, but cannot afford the high cost of groceries. My son literally feeds his four children and two stepchildren by hunting for venison when it is deer season. Here in SC, deer season begins in August and ends on January 1st. Only a portion of that time is doe season and there are strict rules about the circumstances of killing a doe. A hunter...

WRONG, Valerie! Apparently, you think that someone simply "takes care of" the nutritional needs of those who do not qualify for government assistance, but cannot afford the high cost of groceries. My son literally feeds his four children and two stepchildren by hunting for venison when it is deer season. Here in SC, deer season begins in August and ends on January 1st. Only a portion of that time is doe season and there are strict rules about the circumstances of killing a doe. A hunter must also obtain a license and tags and must tag each buck or doe that he/she kills during a season and not exceed the number of each allowed, or kill a doe when it is not doe season. Where we live, the main natural predators of deer are alligators (and disease when overpopulation occurs). Inland, there may be some foxes, but I don't know of wolves in SC and bears are only known to be in the northwest corner. Other than natural deaths, many, many deer fall prey to automobile accidents (even with hunting to keep the population in check and even with a plethora of "Deer Crossing" signs.

Man is also a part of the food chain. There is nothing more cruel about sensible hunting of a healthy meat source than there is about eating beef or pork. A good hunter will kill a deer humanely with a single shot to the head. How humanely do you think your steak or your Honey Baked Ham reached your table?

Katherine Lee Hellsten
Katherine Lee Hellsten
  • Franklin Hynes
Dale J. Kidd
Dale J. Kidd
  • Franklin Hynes

Why, Franklin, I'm so glad you recognize the problem. Yep, us humans are grossly overpopulated (that IS one word, BTW). I'm guessing that, since you object so strongly to this, you have had yourself castrated, right? And naturally, you decline any form of medical treatment for yourself and your family, because nature should be allowed to take it's course to control our population. Because if the above are NOT true, then you're just another hypocrite blowin' smoke....

Simon Caddick
Simon Caddick
  • Franklin Hynes

Are you people so blind as to think that NOBODY has to hunt for their food anymore, there are millions of people in third world countries that rely on hunting to feed themselves and their families, in the UK in the past week they are calling for a cull on deer because there are so many and will soon count as vermin. Hunting for conservation is important, hunting for the sake of killing an animal is not, I am not a hunter myself but I know that it is necessary.

Aonghus William MacCready
Aonghus William MacCready
  • Franklin Hynes

I am an Environmental Scientist, There will come a day with climate change and the end of factory farming that will not only solve much of the problem of human overpopulation (we are the most invasive species the world has ever known) but force us to farm what we can on our own lands and hunt for what animals can survive the oncoming ice age. Learn to hunt now, but respect the forest and all of our cousins with thanks for their sacrifice.

Dale J. Kidd
Dale J. Kidd

Typical that those who call for a ban on hunting fail to even remotely understand the realities of conservation and wildlife management. You think hunting is cruel? Well, how about starvation? Disease? These are the realities of wildlife overpopulation. Humans, despite the rather simplistic viewpoint expressed by the poster previous, does not have a "right" to control overpopulation of wildlife. In fact, we have a RESPONSIBILITY to do so. Until you have a first-hand understanding of what...

Typical that those who call for a ban on hunting fail to even remotely understand the realities of conservation and wildlife management. You think hunting is cruel? Well, how about starvation? Disease? These are the realities of wildlife overpopulation. Humans, despite the rather simplistic viewpoint expressed by the poster previous, does not have a "right" to control overpopulation of wildlife. In fact, we have a RESPONSIBILITY to do so. Until you have a first-hand understanding of what you're actually asking for, and the long-term repercussions of it, I would respectfully suggest that you stick to what you know something about.... IF there is anything in real life that falls into that category.

Ed Maxwell
Ed Maxwell
  • Dale J. Kidd

I am in complete agreement with you Dale.. The Petition asserts the following.. "For without man's interference, nature takes care of itself." Whether we hunt or not, we interfere with nature by our very presence.. We make farmland out of forest, making an ideal if not unnatural environment for deer. Our cities and suburbs are fantastic habitat for racoons, opossums and even coyote. Our ships bring invasive species of plants and fish in their ballast. To ignore our impact and let these species grow unchecked, is Irresponsible.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Dale J. Kidd

I expected as much from "Hunters" to continue to push their blatant lies and propaganda on the public. Sorry... it just doesn't hold weight anymore.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Dale J. Kidd

And here is an interesting study on the correlation between children hunting and violence.... Does Teaching Kids to Hunt Make Them Violent?
By Martha Rosenberg
24 March 2009

March was a bloody month for the gun lobby starting with the Alabama, Illinois church and Germany shootings and ended with the Oakland police killings this week.

And that's before the Miami mass killings, the Turlock, California church shootings and the Mexico shootings--also in March--which the public has largely...

And here is an interesting study on the correlation between children hunting and violence.... Does Teaching Kids to Hunt Make Them Violent?
By Martha Rosenberg
24 March 2009

March was a bloody month for the gun lobby starting with the Alabama, Illinois church and Germany shootings and ended with the Oakland police killings this week.

And that's before the Miami mass killings, the Turlock, California church shootings and the Mexico shootings--also in March--which the public has largely ignored.

- Michael McLendon, the Alabama shooter who killed his mother, grandmother, uncle, two cousins and the wife and toddler daughter of a sheriff's deputy in Samson in March--also killing his mother's dogs and setting the house on fire--is a case in point.
McLendon, who had a cache of an M-16, an AK-47, a shotgun, two pistols and a "great amount of ammunition," started hunting when he was 11-years-old.

- Illinois shooter Terry Sedlacek who killed a pastor through the Bible he held at a church service in Maryville in March was also a hunting enthusiast who probably started young.

- Law makers might not be asking the question if it weren't for Jordan Brown of Wampum, Pennsylvania. The 11-year-old shot and killed his father's pregnant fiancée, Benzie Houk, in February with a 20-gauge shotgun his dad had given him for Christmas.
Police reports describe the family as "hunting enthusiasts" who encouraged the 11-year-old to participate in bloodsports including Houk, his stepmother-to-be and eventual victim.

- The incident came just a year after an eight-year-old St. Johns, Arizona boy-- now nine--shot and killed his father, Vincent Romero, and his father's friend, Timothy Romans, with a .22-caliber rifle.
Romera also taught his son to hunt, showing and encouraging the little boy to kill prairie dogs according to the Very Rev. John Paul Sauter of St. Johns Catholic Church. Nor did the eight-year-old have trouble reloading after each shot when he killed the two adults.

- Hunting teaches children to sever their natural empathy and connection with other living things, say child development experts.

- It teaches them it is okay to harm something which is not harming or bothering them and acclimates them to witnessing--never mind causing--the bleeding, agony and vocalizations that accompany death.

So many sadistic killers begin with sadistic treatment of animals, criminologists and law enforcement experts consider it a behavioral predictor.

Like many states, Pennsylvania and Arizona have National Rifle Association backed "mentored youth hunting programs" that encourage children under 12 to hunt with adults. While less than ten percent of the US population hunts--a number that is falling every day--zealots push child hunting to keep the sport from dying out and revenue coming to state departments of natural resources in the form of hunting licenses.

In some states children are encouraged to shoot tame pheasants the state has hatched and grown at taxpayer expense. Video of the sure shots from birds that can hardly fly and, in some cases, hardly see--they're fitted with blinding devices to keep them from pecking in packed pens--is banned. In other states, children are encouraged to raise day old pheasant chicks like pets for others to hunt.

Child hunters like Jordan Brown and young Romero were told it is good, clean family fun.

http://foodconsumer.org/7777/8888/Other_N_ews_51/Does_Teaching_Kids_to_Hunt_Make_Them_Violent.shtml

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Dale J. Kidd

Let;s also take a look at our wonderfully fantastic "Wildlife Agency"

Animal torture, abuse called a 'regular practice' within federal wildlife agency

It was a productive day for Gary Strader when he pulled his vehicle up to a remote site in northeast Nevada and found nine coyotes caught in leg hold snares set by the federal government. As was routine, Strader, a former trapper with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, signaled his dogs to attack.

His supervisor, who had accompanied him...

Let;s also take a look at our wonderfully fantastic "Wildlife Agency"

Animal torture, abuse called a 'regular practice' within federal wildlife agency

It was a productive day for Gary Strader when he pulled his vehicle up to a remote site in northeast Nevada and found nine coyotes caught in leg hold snares set by the federal government. As was routine, Strader, a former trapper with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, signaled his dogs to attack.

His supervisor, who had accompanied him that day, watched and laughed as the dogs circled the coyotes and ripped into them, Strader recalled.

"That was regular practice," said Strader, who in 2009 left Wildlife Services, a little-known program within the USDA. The program is tasked with humanely killing wildlife seen as a threat to the environment and livestock, as well as protecting the public from wildlife hazards to commercial planes at airports.

"You let your dogs fight with them. That was part of the job," said Strader. "There's not a person in Wildlife Services who is not aware of it."

The brutal approach by Wildlife Services is part of a culture of animal cruelty that has long persisted within an agency that uses taxpayer money to wage an unnecessary war on wildlife, according to two U.S. congressmen who have repeatedly called for a thorough investigation

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/animal-torture-abuse-called-regular-practice-within-federal-wildlife-agency/#ixzz2NMKX3yxR

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Dale J. Kidd

Let's also take a look at a long list of Hunting Accidents.....
this wonderful, "sport" of yours that the whole family can enjoy.

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-center.html

And let's not forget the study on the harm done to the Ecosystem by removing wolves and unbalancing the natural order of nature itself.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMGJ9oThHbc&feature=share&list=PLYwwTTVnA6kz1u7oBx5NHgn1PFuutZ3qu

Katherine Lee Hellsten
Katherine Lee Hellsten
  • Dale J. Kidd

http://www.causes.com/actions/1736270-petition-stop-the-torture-slaughter-of-animals-for-fashion please sign this petition to help stop cats and dogs being skinned alive for their fur! thank you

Robert Bell
Robert Bell
  • Dale J. Kidd

Lot of city people or just ignorant about the facts without hunting a large number of species would be extinct. Well organized conservation hunting is crucial. Mother Nature is the one that's Cruel! I've seen too many winter kills in my life,that's a horrible way to die!

Penny Jill Dee
Penny Jill Dee
  • Dale J. Kidd

Robert Bell BULL SHIT! I AM COSMOPOLITAN YET ALSO RAISED AROUND WILDLIFE. YES, NATURE CAN BE CRUEL WHEN ANIMALS KILL FOR FOOD YET MOST GO INTO SHOCK WHILE BEING EATEN ALIVE. POINT IS MAN DOES NOT NEED TO HUNT ANIMALS FOR BALANCE, NATURE CAN KEEP BALANCE IF MAN IS NOT DISRUPTING THE BALANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE DO HAVE A WILD BOAR PROBLEM YET THE BOAR DO NOT NEED TO BE "TORTURED" BY HUNTERS DOGS. THE DOGS ALSO GET HURT TOO. IT'S ALL JUST A BARBARIC GAME. SEEN MANY OF THE VIDEOS THESE CRIEL...

Robert Bell BULL SHIT! I AM COSMOPOLITAN YET ALSO RAISED AROUND WILDLIFE. YES, NATURE CAN BE CRUEL WHEN ANIMALS KILL FOR FOOD YET MOST GO INTO SHOCK WHILE BEING EATEN ALIVE. POINT IS MAN DOES NOT NEED TO HUNT ANIMALS FOR BALANCE, NATURE CAN KEEP BALANCE IF MAN IS NOT DISRUPTING THE BALANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE DO HAVE A WILD BOAR PROBLEM YET THE BOAR DO NOT NEED TO BE "TORTURED" BY HUNTERS DOGS. THE DOGS ALSO GET HURT TOO. IT'S ALL JUST A BARBARIC GAME. SEEN MANY OF THE VIDEOS THESE CRIEL HUNTERS POST. MANY ARE NOT EDUCATED AND GET OFF ON THESE SAVAGE GAME. IT'S TAUGHT BEHAVIOR AND FULL OF IGNORANCE. HUNTING IS JUST ABOUT PROFIT FOR THE TOOLS OF KILLING, RIFLES, SHOTGUNS WORST YET BOWS. MANY CAUSE MUCH SUFFERING TO ANIMALS DUE TO BAD SHOTS. NOT ABOUT CONSERVATION, THAT'S JUST AN EXCUSE TO HUNT. NOT SURE WHY THEY CALL IT HUNTING EITHER, CAUSE MANY SIT IN THEIR FUCKING DEER STANDS. MANY BREAK THE RULES TOO.

Lone Kristensen
Lone Kristensen
  • Dale J. Kidd

the only one who killes for pleasure are human beings. Shame on them. I do not have anything against those who hunts to survieve.Lone

Muriel Servaege
Muriel Servaege

Fin triste et tragique pour ces animaux magnifiques et intelligents. Quant aux tueurs, qui s'appellent "sportifs" - allons donc!- je déteste leur intolérance, leur brutalié, leurs mensonges, leur hystérie, leur manque de respect pour la vie sauvage, leur mépris de l'immense majorité d'Américains plus humains. Par dessus tout, j'ai horreur de leur destruction de la vie sauvage américaine. Ils ne méritent pas de meilleur sort pour eux-mêmes.

Kathryn Anne Sinclair
Kathryn Anne Sinclair
  • Muriel Servaege

Good answer Muriel. I only know Un Pettite French. But I understand enough of your reply to know you agree with us! Thank you.

Valmir De Jesus Lima
Valmir De Jesus Lima
  • Muriel Servaege

todos unidos contra a matança e maus-tratos de animais em todo o mundo.

Jean Sorrenti
Jean Sorrenti

sportsman how is it that one can refer to themselves as a sportsman. sport means using your body, in a human to human competitive game. not sitting on yur ass in the woods, or a truck waiting for some helpless animal, so yu can kill it. I wonder what these so called "sportsmen" would do if someone was lost in the woods. I'm sure they would let a human suffer in the woods, and be entertained by it. Men that take pleasure in hunting animals and making them suffer as much as possible, will do...

sportsman how is it that one can refer to themselves as a sportsman. sport means using your body, in a human to human competitive game. not sitting on yur ass in the woods, or a truck waiting for some helpless animal, so yu can kill it. I wonder what these so called "sportsmen" would do if someone was lost in the woods. I'm sure they would let a human suffer in the woods, and be entertained by it. Men that take pleasure in hunting animals and making them suffer as much as possible, will do the same to a human if they can get away with it. Sportsman are dangerous and deranged people, with a sick sadistic agenda to create and watch suffering. All these missing people in the world makes you wonder what happened to them. Perhaps they had the misfortune of being dumped in the woods and hunted, for entertainment, and suffering. As a society we really need to think about this. There's a fine line between watching animals suffer and doing the same to humans. THINK ABOUT IT!, these so called sportsman are very dangerous to society.

John Hickman
John Hickman
  • Jean Sorrenti

Just a heads up. If you, or anyone for that matter, are going to discuss definitions, at least look the definition up before blabbing false information (as so many of your kind does). Merriam- Webster defines a sportsmen as "a person who engages in sports (as hunting or fishing)". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sportsmen. I will not spend countless words explaining why you folks are ignorant, but I will say this, I have dedicated my education and career to wildlife conservation...

Just a heads up. If you, or anyone for that matter, are going to discuss definitions, at least look the definition up before blabbing false information (as so many of your kind does). Merriam- Webster defines a sportsmen as "a person who engages in sports (as hunting or fishing)". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sportsmen. I will not spend countless words explaining why you folks are ignorant, but I will say this, I have dedicated my education and career to wildlife conservation and what you people say appalls me. NONE of you are wildlife biologists or wildlife professionals, and if you are, I pity the institution you studied at. I hunt. I grew up hunting and it is an extreme passion of mine. I understand the emotion involved in taking an animal, but people must understand not only the ecological need for hunting, but the ecology of the animal hunted themselves. Most game animals are prey species, meaning they are near the bottom of the food chain and have predators, weather it's a wolf, coyote, cat, or human. Fortunately, we (humans) are at the top of the food chain so we act accordingly. If you don't like hunting, don't do it. But don't infringe on the the natural freedoms that I am entitled too.

There is much more to this argument which is science based and repeatedly shows hunting as an ESSENTIAL tool for managing wildlife all over the world. Please, don't let some redneck outlaws sway your decisions and ruin my way of life.
By the way the animal in my picture was captured and released unharmed for research purposes.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell
  • Jean Sorrenti

Before you speak nonsense look up sportsman in the dictionary think you'll be surprised.

John Dutton
John Dutton

How does a non-Facebook person sign this, or any other Causes petition?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • John Dutton

John, if you were able to leave a reply, I would think you'd be able to sign it also.

John Dutton
John Dutton
  • John Dutton

No, Dawn. I want to allow my wife to sign it, with her separate e-mail address. She doesn't want a FB account. But it seems that FB uses Causes to drum up more business for itself? Has anyone else had this problem?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • John Dutton

I see your point... We chose this method because we feel that causes has a further reach to the people than most other avenues. Down the road we may attempt another avenue...

John Dutton
John Dutton
  • John Dutton

I did see another petition on Causes that gave an additional non-FB link. The danger with that is that you could get duplicated signatures which might devalue it? Or perhaps it wouldn't, since that possibility could probably be quite small in practice? Worth pondering?

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