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Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner

To everyone who is in favour of the death penalty: It's easy to pass this job on to an executioner. Now I want to see YOU do it! But I won't make it easy for you and just let you push a button. No. I want you to face the comdemned person bound to a chair, give you a knife, and then I want to see you kill this person. I want to watch how you will need to repress all your compassion that is left within you to push the blade into the body of that person. I want to watch you how you may need to...

To everyone who is in favour of the death penalty: It's easy to pass this job on to an executioner. Now I want to see YOU do it! But I won't make it easy for you and just let you push a button. No. I want you to face the comdemned person bound to a chair, give you a knife, and then I want to see you kill this person. I want to watch how you will need to repress all your compassion that is left within you to push the blade into the body of that person. I want to watch you how you may need to stab this person several times to make sure he/she dies, and I wonder if you would enjoy bathing in that person's blood, and if you will really have any feeling of justice afterwards. Will you be able to sleep again, or will you rather not be able to get those pictures out of your head ever? If you can do all that without any feeling of remorse, you are of the very same violent mindset as the perpetrator. We should rather do something about the causes instead of the symptoms. The death penalty is undemocratic. Human rights apply to everyone. Think about it.

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

Thank you Stefan but your argument is somewhat invalid. We are not the same as people who kill without conscience. I will be 'compassionate' and let them die with dignity with the injection.I just want to ask you two questions - 1. Do you live in South Africa? And can you watch these men (talking about Anene's murder here) do what they did to Anene and say afterwards that they do not deserve a similar fate? That they deserve human rights? Take them to Germany then and stuff them in your...

Thank you Stefan but your argument is somewhat invalid. We are not the same as people who kill without conscience. I will be 'compassionate' and let them die with dignity with the injection.I just want to ask you two questions - 1. Do you live in South Africa? And can you watch these men (talking about Anene's murder here) do what they did to Anene and say afterwards that they do not deserve a similar fate? That they deserve human rights? Take them to Germany then and stuff them in your prisons and care for them because we don't want them anywhere near our society.My personal belief is that we should use them for experiments - cosmetic and space experiments. Why do animals have to suffer? At least then they can give something back to society!

Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner
  • Stefan Wagner

Hi Nicolene, I think you don't know what you're saying. So killing with conscience is good killing then? I think that your ability of compassion which everyone has is as deeply buried inside yourself as in the criminals we talk about. We are not to kill unless in the heat of the moment or in self-defense. I do live in South Africa, and coming from Europe gives me the privilege to see South Africans from a different perspective. I experience people in Germany and Europe as much more peaceful...

Hi Nicolene, I think you don't know what you're saying. So killing with conscience is good killing then? I think that your ability of compassion which everyone has is as deeply buried inside yourself as in the criminals we talk about. We are not to kill unless in the heat of the moment or in self-defense. I do live in South Africa, and coming from Europe gives me the privilege to see South Africans from a different perspective. I experience people in Germany and Europe as much more peaceful and less brainwashed by Hollywood movies advertising vigilantism and violence. I'd never watch anyone committing a crime, but would help or call for help. This is not the same as killing someone on purpose. You can't solve problems by killing criminals – in fact they *are* part of your society, so we need to address the causes. Only a person with a violent mindset can suggest to use people for medical experiments. We've experienced this in our German history when Nazi doctors did experiments on people of which they thought they didn't deserve to live. You should also be aware of the fact that you aren't a better person just because you never murdered anyone, but that no one of us will be able to stay innocent.

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

Hi Stefan. Well your opinion is yours and mine is mine so let's just agree to disagree? I'm not here to debate with anyone. If you want to sign,sign.If you don't, DON'T and move along

Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner
  • Stefan Wagner

Well, if you speak to me directly in your post, I have the right to react, don't I? It's called democracy. And I will not leave the last word to people like you who promote violating human rights. I have learnt from my country's past, when will you learn from yours?

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

LOL

Patrick Francis
Patrick Francis
  • Stefan Wagner

Yes, I agree Nicolene. Stefan you are still wet behind the ears. One day when you are a lot older and have had someone close to you senslessly murdered you will understand. In the meantime sign the petition or leave this space my boy!

Kenneth Boswell
Kenneth Boswell
  • Stefan Wagner

To Stefan. What kind of a decent human being rapes, disembowels and murders people in a cold blooded manner? What do you suggest then as a solution? You say we must put ourselves in the position of having to be a condemned man about to be executed. Why don't you put yourself in the position of a victim of violent crime, e.g. rape, murder etc. Imagine having to fight for your life and die a horrible gruesome death when you did nothing more than just do a normal day to day activity, or even...

To Stefan. What kind of a decent human being rapes, disembowels and murders people in a cold blooded manner? What do you suggest then as a solution? You say we must put ourselves in the position of having to be a condemned man about to be executed. Why don't you put yourself in the position of a victim of violent crime, e.g. rape, murder etc. Imagine having to fight for your life and die a horrible gruesome death when you did nothing more than just do a normal day to day activity, or even better, put yourself in the position of a family member that has to stand paralyzed in fear, or trying to save the person you love or hold dear being slaughtered like an animal. I can bet you the victim will be feeling the pain far worse than the perpetrator. in Germany and other countries the justice system and the police, along with the government are efficient and the criminals are punished in South Africa they are not. Simple as that.

Aubrey Fouche
Aubrey Fouche
  • Stefan Wagner

personally i believe by bringing the death penalty back we will much better off without criminals paying our corrupt courts to loose a docket as we all know this has been the norm since ANC government has come into power we as South Africans be it black white yellow must stop the rot

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

Dear Stefan. I cannot do that. I do not posses what it takes to look some one in the eye and slash their throat. I am not an animal like these people who I think deserve death. But what I will do is let this person say goodbye to their families,have a nice warm last meal and then I'll personally make him/her comfortable on a bed,maybe give them a tranquilizer or 6 before they get the injection and gracefully fall asleep to never wake up. That I can do.Personally. I can at least give them...

Dear Stefan. I cannot do that. I do not posses what it takes to look some one in the eye and slash their throat. I am not an animal like these people who I think deserve death. But what I will do is let this person say goodbye to their families,have a nice warm last meal and then I'll personally make him/her comfortable on a bed,maybe give them a tranquilizer or 6 before they get the injection and gracefully fall asleep to never wake up. That I can do.Personally. I can at least give them that while they could not give that to their victims. I will not take pleasure in it as they took with their vile deeds. I will do it for the good and safety of the nation.Hell I wish I can go like that one day instead of bleeding to death with my intestines lying besides me while I get raped.

Karen Jennings
Karen Jennings
  • Stefan Wagner

Well said Nicolene.

Landé Willemse
Landé Willemse
  • Stefan Wagner

Dear Stefan, I am sorry if you think that murderers and rapists have more rights than their victims! I think that when you become such a savage, you have NO MORE human rights!!

Daniel Blood
Daniel Blood
  • Stefan Wagner

It's undemocratic to kill a person and take it's rights away ! you try to be complicated and play with good peoples minds.....murderers do that all the time....ps don't take it personal....Christians cover Christians , friends cover friends .....do you catch the idea?......you need more...

Francois van der Merwe
Francois van der Merwe

What a stupid bloodthirsty waste of time!

Francois van der Merwe
Francois van der Merwe
  • Francois van der Merwe

Hate breeds hate! The dark middle ages all over again? Think people!

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Francois van der Merwe

was it not your son who killed Martin van Eck? No wonder you are opposed....

Henriette van Eck
Henriette van Eck
  • Francois van der Merwe

DIE HAAT WAT ONS VIR JULLE HET,HET JULLE VEROORSAAK.JOU SLAPGAT KIND SAL WEER UIT DIE TRONK KOM MAAR NIE LEWENDIG NIE.E

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Francois van der Merwe

and your solution is?.........

Henriette van Eck
Henriette van Eck
  • Francois van der Merwe

AL HOEKOM JY TEEN DOODSTRAF IS JOU SOT OMDAT JOU KIND MY KIND GEMARTEL,VERMOOR GESLAG HET SOOS N DIER EN MY KIND BESTEEL HET.IS DIT IN DIE GENE OF IS HY PLEINWEG KAK OPGEVOED OF GEEN OPVOEDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Warren Davies
Warren Davies

It is bad what happend to that girl it is very sad it is not nice

Michelle Koekemoer
Michelle Koekemoer

What do you do when a dog has rabies? You put it out....(for people who don't believe in the death penalty) and by the way when it comes in at least there will be space for the petty criminals.

Franco Resca
Franco Resca

The only time someting will be done to move towards the reinstaement of the death penalty is when the "Gravy Trainers" are affected personally by these daily tragidies that have become all too common in South Africa. Most of the actual ocurrences are not being repoted by the press and other forms of media.
The peoiple "in charge" don't care! its time we made them care.

Mariëlla Kotzé Colombo

Hulle sal nooit enige wette aanvaar waaraan hulle reeds skuldig is nie. Doodstraf is vir hulle uit omdat hulle dan self sal gevonnis sal word so ook die verkragtig, dis nie iets ongewoons onder die "gesienes" nie, ons president is dan ook vrygespreek na 'n aanklag. Wat 'n sirkus en al die narre sit en slaap heeldag in die parlement nadat hulle die vorige aand "geparty" het met ons geld.

Michelle Koekemoer
Michelle Koekemoer

Hulle moet gestenig word soos in die bybelse tyd of gee hulla vir die familie van die slagoffers.

Ennatjie Lieuwes
Ennatjie Lieuwes

I sign this petition..Bring back the death penalty in South Africa! the jails is full of criminals...and cost the tax (us) a lot of money to feed tham....if you take a life than u don't deserve to live anyway....eye for an eye.........

Clara Slabbert
Clara Slabbert

In ander lande is die doodstraf reg wat het van ons land geword as n ou steel kap sy hande af as hydrugs verkoop sny sy tong uit as hy verkrag sny sy manlike dele af as hy moor moet hy ook sterf of gee hom vir Jan Publiek ons sal jou wys wat om te doen Bring net die wet terug in die land.

Loandra Smith
Loandra Smith

What one gives one will get.

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