Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner

To everyone who is in favour of the death penalty: It's easy to pass this job on to an executioner. Now I want to see YOU do it! But I won't make it easy for you and just let you push a button. No. I want you to face the comdemned person bound to a chair, give you a knife, and then I want to see you kill this person. I want to watch how you will need to repress all your compassion that is left within you to push the blade into the body of that person. I want to watch you how you may need to...

To everyone who is in favour of the death penalty: It's easy to pass this job on to an executioner. Now I want to see YOU do it! But I won't make it easy for you and just let you push a button. No. I want you to face the comdemned person bound to a chair, give you a knife, and then I want to see you kill this person. I want to watch how you will need to repress all your compassion that is left within you to push the blade into the body of that person. I want to watch you how you may need to stab this person several times to make sure he/she dies, and I wonder if you would enjoy bathing in that person's blood, and if you will really have any feeling of justice afterwards. Will you be able to sleep again, or will you rather not be able to get those pictures out of your head ever? If you can do all that without any feeling of remorse, you are of the very same violent mindset as the perpetrator. We should rather do something about the causes instead of the symptoms. The death penalty is undemocratic. Human rights apply to everyone. Think about it.

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Stefan Wagner

Thank you Stefan but your argument is somewhat invalid. We are not the same as people who kill without conscience. I will be 'compassionate' and let them die with dignity with the injection.I just want to ask you two questions - 1. Do you live in South Africa? And can you watch these men (talking about Anene's murder here) do what they did to Anene and say afterwards that they do not deserve a similar fate? That they deserve human rights? Take them to Germany then and stuff them in your...

Thank you Stefan but your argument is somewhat invalid. We are not the same as people who kill without conscience. I will be 'compassionate' and let them die with dignity with the injection.I just want to ask you two questions - 1. Do you live in South Africa? And can you watch these men (talking about Anene's murder here) do what they did to Anene and say afterwards that they do not deserve a similar fate? That they deserve human rights? Take them to Germany then and stuff them in your prisons and care for them because we don't want them anywhere near our society.My personal belief is that we should use them for experiments - cosmetic and space experiments. Why do animals have to suffer? At least then they can give something back to society!

Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner
  • Stefan Wagner

Hi Nicolene, I think you don't know what you're saying. So killing with conscience is good killing then? I think that your ability of compassion which everyone has is as deeply buried inside yourself as in the criminals we talk about. We are not to kill unless in the heat of the moment or in self-defense. I do live in South Africa, and coming from Europe gives me the privilege to see South Africans from a different perspective. I experience people in Germany and Europe as much more peaceful...

Hi Nicolene, I think you don't know what you're saying. So killing with conscience is good killing then? I think that your ability of compassion which everyone has is as deeply buried inside yourself as in the criminals we talk about. We are not to kill unless in the heat of the moment or in self-defense. I do live in South Africa, and coming from Europe gives me the privilege to see South Africans from a different perspective. I experience people in Germany and Europe as much more peaceful and less brainwashed by Hollywood movies advertising vigilantism and violence. I'd never watch anyone committing a crime, but would help or call for help. This is not the same as killing someone on purpose. You can't solve problems by killing criminals – in fact they *are* part of your society, so we need to address the causes. Only a person with a violent mindset can suggest to use people for medical experiments. We've experienced this in our German history when Nazi doctors did experiments on people of which they thought they didn't deserve to live. You should also be aware of the fact that you aren't a better person just because you never murdered anyone, but that no one of us will be able to stay innocent.

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Stefan Wagner

Hi Stefan. Well your opinion is yours and mine is mine so let's just agree to disagree? I'm not here to debate with anyone. If you want to sign,sign.If you don't, DON'T and move along

Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner
  • Stefan Wagner

Well, if you speak to me directly in your post, I have the right to react, don't I? It's called democracy. And I will not leave the last word to people like you who promote violating human rights. I have learnt from my country's past, when will you learn from yours?

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Stefan Wagner

LOL

Patrick Francis
Patrick Francis
  • Stefan Wagner

Yes, I agree Nicolene. Stefan you are still wet behind the ears. One day when you are a lot older and have had someone close to you senslessly murdered you will understand. In the meantime sign the petition or leave this space my boy!

Kenneth Boswell
Kenneth Boswell
  • Stefan Wagner

To Stefan. What kind of a decent human being rapes, disembowels and murders people in a cold blooded manner? What do you suggest then as a solution? You say we must put ourselves in the position of having to be a condemned man about to be executed. Why don't you put yourself in the position of a victim of violent crime, e.g. rape, murder etc. Imagine having to fight for your life and die a horrible gruesome death when you did nothing more than just do a normal day to day activity, or even...

To Stefan. What kind of a decent human being rapes, disembowels and murders people in a cold blooded manner? What do you suggest then as a solution? You say we must put ourselves in the position of having to be a condemned man about to be executed. Why don't you put yourself in the position of a victim of violent crime, e.g. rape, murder etc. Imagine having to fight for your life and die a horrible gruesome death when you did nothing more than just do a normal day to day activity, or even better, put yourself in the position of a family member that has to stand paralyzed in fear, or trying to save the person you love or hold dear being slaughtered like an animal. I can bet you the victim will be feeling the pain far worse than the perpetrator. in Germany and other countries the justice system and the police, along with the government are efficient and the criminals are punished in South Africa they are not. Simple as that.

Aubrey Fouche
Aubrey Fouche
  • Stefan Wagner

personally i believe by bringing the death penalty back we will much better off without criminals paying our corrupt courts to loose a docket as we all know this has been the norm since ANC government has come into power we as South Africans be it black white yellow must stop the rot

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Stefan Wagner

Dear Stefan. I cannot do that. I do not posses what it takes to look some one in the eye and slash their throat. I am not an animal like these people who I think deserve death. But what I will do is let this person say goodbye to their families,have a nice warm last meal and then I'll personally make him/her comfortable on a bed,maybe give them a tranquilizer or 6 before they get the injection and gracefully fall asleep to never wake up. That I can do.Personally. I can at least give them...

Dear Stefan. I cannot do that. I do not posses what it takes to look some one in the eye and slash their throat. I am not an animal like these people who I think deserve death. But what I will do is let this person say goodbye to their families,have a nice warm last meal and then I'll personally make him/her comfortable on a bed,maybe give them a tranquilizer or 6 before they get the injection and gracefully fall asleep to never wake up. That I can do.Personally. I can at least give them that while they could not give that to their victims. I will not take pleasure in it as they took with their vile deeds. I will do it for the good and safety of the nation.Hell I wish I can go like that one day instead of bleeding to death with my intestines lying besides me while I get raped.

Karen Jennings
Karen Jennings
  • Stefan Wagner

Well said Nicolene.

Landé Willemse
Landé Willemse
  • Stefan Wagner

Dear Stefan, I am sorry if you think that murderers and rapists have more rights than their victims! I think that when you become such a savage, you have NO MORE human rights!!

Daniel Blood
Daniel Blood
  • Stefan Wagner

It's undemocratic to kill a person and take it's rights away ! you try to be complicated and play with good peoples minds.....murderers do that all the time....ps don't take it personal....Christians cover Christians , friends cover friends .....do you catch the idea?......you need more...

Francois van der Merwe
Francois van der Merwe

What a stupid bloodthirsty waste of time!

Francois van der Merwe
Francois van der Merwe
  • Francois van der Merwe

Hate breeds hate! The dark middle ages all over again? Think people!

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Francois van der Merwe

was it not your son who killed Martin van Eck? No wonder you are opposed....

Henriette van Eck
Henriette van Eck
  • Francois van der Merwe

DIE HAAT WAT ONS VIR JULLE HET,HET JULLE VEROORSAAK.JOU SLAPGAT KIND SAL WEER UIT DIE TRONK KOM MAAR NIE LEWENDIG NIE.E

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Francois van der Merwe

and your solution is?.........

Henriette van Eck
Henriette van Eck
  • Francois van der Merwe

AL HOEKOM JY TEEN DOODSTRAF IS JOU SOT OMDAT JOU KIND MY KIND GEMARTEL,VERMOOR GESLAG HET SOOS N DIER EN MY KIND BESTEEL HET.IS DIT IN DIE GENE OF IS HY PLEINWEG KAK OPGEVOED OF GEEN OPVOEDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Avner Eliyahu Romm
Avner Eliyahu Romm

I would like to make things clear when I sign the petition. The death penalty should be reinstated in South Africa, but should apply only to those who commit crimes after it had been reinstated, and to those, among those who committed crimes before, who ask to be executed instead of sitting in prison. But as I always say: Prisoners from before the 1994 elections should all be released unconditionally. So I obviously don't call for the execution of any of those prisoners. On the contrary, I call for the release of all thos prisoners.

Rose McMillan
Rose McMillan
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

How many of those released prisoners have recommitted the same crime after being released, Presidential pardons have released prisoners who were back in jail a week later .

Avner Eliyahu Romm
Avner Eliyahu Romm
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

"Those released prisoners" are not prisoners who have not, and should have been, released. And it is clear, to anyone in their right mind, that none of the later is likely to committ anything of the kind they were in prison for. It is those, who are likely to recommitt the same crimes after being released, who are indeed being released in South Africa soon after spending some little time in prison. While there are others, who spend many years there and should be released.

KenAmanda Vermaak
KenAmanda Vermaak
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

If those persons commited murder what makes them special? Murder is murder and rape is rape. Why should they be released? To be able to get a second chance to RAPE or MURDER again. No release keep them locked up and for good measure castrate the rapests.

Avner Eliyahu Romm
Avner Eliyahu Romm
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

That's it. I have deleted and blocked two characters who tried to use my facebook page in order to write their filthy propaganda against releasing prisoners. So I would like to say again, and very clearly: There should be proper truth and reconciliation in South Africa, which should include the release of all prisoners from before the 1994 elections. Those who would like to post propaganda against it, should do it in the facebook pages of Mrs. Hani and her likes, not in mine.

Johann Hendrik Hartzenberg
Johann Hendrik Hartzenberg
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

A eye for a eye If we keep them locked up we still have to provide for them. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!

Eldred Jansen van Rensburg
Eldred Jansen van Rensburg
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

No matter how many are in favour of the death penalty, the chances of it ever happening in SA at this stage is Nil, Zero. Can you imagine how many supporters of the present regime will be eliminated.

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

Hi Eldred! Please read my reply to Leon Economides. Never say never

Deon Myburgh
Deon Myburgh
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

It is not about executing people but rather about preventing futher mayhem taking place, those who have been convicted under a feeble legislation should count themselves lucky and try to reflect on the circumstances that have granted them this reprieve! But..... and this is a big but... in no way should they be rellieved of their current penalty payment to society. I know of too many cases where release has been granted to habitual criminals, only to have them devistate the lives of more...

It is not about executing people but rather about preventing futher mayhem taking place, those who have been convicted under a feeble legislation should count themselves lucky and try to reflect on the circumstances that have granted them this reprieve! But..... and this is a big but... in no way should they be rellieved of their current penalty payment to society. I know of too many cases where release has been granted to habitual criminals, only to have them devistate the lives of more people. My feeling is that new ways should be thought of for these criminals to give payback to society, other than them wasting money and time in jail. The old system of changing rocks into gravel comes to mind, at least something will come out of feeding and housing them. IF REINSTATING OF THE DEATH PENALTY CAN PREVENT MURDERS, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT NOBODY WILL BE EXECUTED!!! This is the ultimate goal, preventing, not executing! At least innocent people will hopefully be spared.

Avner Eliyahu Romm
Avner Eliyahu Romm
  • Avner Eliyahu Romm

I repeat what I said before: Prisoners from before the 1994 elections should all be released unconditionally. Those prisoners are not murderers by nature, and therefore, any examples of prisoners, who are released and murder again, have nothing to do with them. Those who argue that some prisoners murder again are missing the point, because prisoners I am talking about are not like that. But even other prisoners, and even those who are murderers by nature, should be considered for pardon.

Gary Meaker
Gary Meaker

Our murders per 1000 head of population surpasses even Angola. in America they have shown a significant reduction in the herder rate in the states where the death penalty has been reintroduced. If the judges are afraid of making a mistake they can order a test bmo a brain fingerprint machine which has to date shown to be 100% accurate and reliable. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!

Charmaine Abraham
Charmaine Abraham
  • Gary Meaker

There is nothing complex about killing, once you have crossed the line you are a danger to people, outside or inside a prison. It is nothing but SICK to take taxpayer's money to feed these monsters. Get rid of the rubbish of society, clean up.

Alan Charles Laird
Alan Charles Laird
  • Gary Meaker

Bullshit!! If you kill you should be killed. Let somebody rape or kill your wife I am sure you

James Mader
James Mader
  • Gary Meaker

Gary those are strong claims - I wonder about your sources - can you support your claim that "in America they have shown a significant reduction in the herder rate in the states where the death penalty has been reintroduced" (sic) ?
see http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty as a starting point for evidence that suggests your claim is nonsense.

Frank James Gainsford
Frank James Gainsford
  • Gary Meaker

David Brown Please supply a link or two, because I do not believe you...

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Gary Meaker

David Brown Please provide us with an alternative?

Hardus Malan
Hardus Malan
  • Gary Meaker

These Idiots was asking for human rights, But dus not deserfe it. what do jou call this criminals.

Milton D Beattie
Milton D Beattie
  • Gary Meaker

David Brown.... If YOU and Your TYPE Will take care of them.... FINE!!

Leon Economides
Leon Economides

Unfortunately, though, as noble as this sentiment is, the ANC government will never bring back the death penalty. The past and current actions of senior members of the ruling party have given the notion that it is ok to rape, murder, be corrupt, etc etc, so how much of a deterrent could that be to anyone with similar designs? Besides, the ANC need the criminals' votes, so they can't be seen to be putting the skids on their ''ground troops'' for fear of pissing them off! No - unfortunately,...

Unfortunately, though, as noble as this sentiment is, the ANC government will never bring back the death penalty. The past and current actions of senior members of the ruling party have given the notion that it is ok to rape, murder, be corrupt, etc etc, so how much of a deterrent could that be to anyone with similar designs? Besides, the ANC need the criminals' votes, so they can't be seen to be putting the skids on their ''ground troops'' for fear of pissing them off! No - unfortunately, whilst the ANC holds the reigns, we can be sure that violent crime, incompetence, corruption, self-enrichment of their so-called elite, etc etc, is here to stay for a long, long time.

Debra Baker Biljon
Debra Baker Biljon
  • Leon Economides

Well said!

Moutie Kimmie
Moutie Kimmie
  • Leon Economides

Well said mate!

Leon Economides
Leon Economides
  • Leon Economides

So sad, but so true, Adelle. Youre right, Erwin - the ANC's double standards are something we've grown to expect, so it's not really that suprising that they turn a blind eye to the shenanigans of their own kind. I was reading up on the Nazis just recently - some of the similarities are quite chilling!!

Jan Johannes van Barkenhuizen
Jan Johannes van Barkenhuizen
  • Leon Economides

The president himself should be carstrated because he sets an example for nobody. He is so busy corrupting our country it is just not funny. I wouldn't mind seing the last of him just like Malema. The are taking less from Mugabe. SIC.

Leoni Watt Herbst
Leoni Watt Herbst
  • Leon Economides

What ever happened to án 'eye for an eye'

Nicolene Darwell
Nicolene Darwell
  • Leon Economides

well you know the saying - bad things happen because good people do nothing about it. even though we EXPECT the ANC to never bring back the death sentence because of the above mentioned reasons, doesn't mean we should EXCEPT it,right? What would've happened to apartheid if the oppressed just EXCEPTED that it will never end? Maybe the ANC will never bring it back ,if we can get enough signatures, it can open up the floodgates for a debate or maybe even a referendum no? YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IF YOU DO NOT TRY

Mzi Sipamla
Mzi Sipamla

Death penalty is not an option and folks stop making it a racially politically motivated issue. Its taking someones life. Amazed by some of the surnames that are so charged up on the view point about the death penalty...... Do the history and read on/about our historical legal cases; notice those same surnames and see a pattern of some folks from those same surnames enjoying taking the lives of others. Focus on amending the Justice system that it has dire consequences than putting your...

Death penalty is not an option and folks stop making it a racially politically motivated issue. Its taking someones life. Amazed by some of the surnames that are so charged up on the view point about the death penalty...... Do the history and read on/about our historical legal cases; notice those same surnames and see a pattern of some folks from those same surnames enjoying taking the lives of others. Focus on amending the Justice system that it has dire consequences than putting your energy in taking someones life - Imagine the wrongful deaths we might also be opening ourselves too (Like it does not happen currently).

Lyndsay Jensen
Lyndsay Jensen
  • Mzi Sipamla

But what else can you suggest Mzi, nothing seems to work - the justice system doesn't always hold true back home. Do more lives have to be lost to find the right solution? I'm lost for words at what is happening to people back home, know one has the right either to instill the fear that people are living with daily in SA. :( So what to do then....?

Patrick Francis
Patrick Francis
  • Mzi Sipamla

Noxolo, you bring God into the equation!
You just hung yourself...ha...ha...ha!
If you are a Christian and obviously aware of the 10 commandments
you would agree with the majority of us.
Do you have family behind bars?

Jennifer Mc Adam
Jennifer Mc Adam

Castrate the Bastards! we don't need them in our society, Not fit to live. I'm all for the DEATH penalty.

Lori van der Merwe
Lori van der Merwe
  • Jennifer Mc Adam

My thoughts exactly, an eye for an eye...

Frank James Gainsford
Frank James Gainsford
  • Jennifer Mc Adam

Pity you do not support the death penalty, this should be applied more liberally to include STOCK THEFT then those rhino poachers could also be included.

This action would stun the world, and strike fear into the thought process of would be criminals, especially if the execution was carried out in public with a HIGH MEDIA COVERAGE so that the message of community retribution could be seen and experienced by all in sundry.

Currently criminals are treated with more rights than us law abiding...

Pity you do not support the death penalty, this should be applied more liberally to include STOCK THEFT then those rhino poachers could also be included.

This action would stun the world, and strike fear into the thought process of would be criminals, especially if the execution was carried out in public with a HIGH MEDIA COVERAGE so that the message of community retribution could be seen and experienced by all in sundry.

Currently criminals are treated with more rights than us law abiding citizens, and once in JAIL, these criminals then get taught how to be better at doing crime, and share their stories of how they were caught so others can learn how to avoid the law...

Chris Clements
Chris Clements
  • Jennifer Mc Adam

Ya!!! kill people who kill people to teach others that killing is wrong, Its working great in the middle east, other then the fact innocents die in the process and it doesn't work.

Roelof Venter
Roelof Venter

It does not have to be a " Hanging ". Injections are acceptable, just remove the Scum from society. Clean up the house as ordinary citizens we have a right to live, work, socialize and die in a humane way. Not at the hands of sick- , barbaric individuals who enjoy more human rights, than us or their victims. Victims who are mostly killed in a diabolic way. May GOD have mercy on us unprotected citizens who do not have the luxury to claim state funds to safeguard their existence. GOD does not...

It does not have to be a " Hanging ". Injections are acceptable, just remove the Scum from society. Clean up the house as ordinary citizens we have a right to live, work, socialize and die in a humane way. Not at the hands of sick- , barbaric individuals who enjoy more human rights, than us or their victims. Victims who are mostly killed in a diabolic way. May GOD have mercy on us unprotected citizens who do not have the luxury to claim state funds to safeguard their existence. GOD does not sleep and he even new your name before you were conceived.

Carl Johnson
Carl Johnson
  • Roelof Venter

let them be eaten alive by ants

Ivan Shelley
Ivan Shelley
  • Roelof Venter

Carl BUD That is to slow what was the slogan <<< one boer, one bullet>>> lets reverse that<<< one convict ,one million bricks>>> No to hell with the bricks enough stones laying around

Chris Clements
Chris Clements
  • Roelof Venter

What ever happened to turning the other cheek and "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." ?? Christians.......

Jen Hb
Jen Hb

An eye for an eye...... my hero, Ghandi said then the whole world would be blind - let us rather then be blind! Murders that are gruesome and violent and include rape, or children - IN THOSE CASES ALONE - BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALITY!

Ivan Shelley
Ivan Shelley
  • Jen Hb

Is it not in the BIBLE that says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth let whatever yo do you shall have the same done to you?

Chris Clements
Chris Clements
  • Jen Hb

It sure does, It also says women are property, gives instructions on owning slaves as well as commanding slaves to obey their earthly masters as they do god, and that parents should stone their child to death if he doesn't reform his behavior after a beating. Such a horrible nasty book of fairy tales.

Chris Clements
Chris Clements
  • Jen Hb

And Mahatma Gandhi prolly shouldn't be your hero. He had alot of great sayings and beliefs, but he was a racists and it's rumored he did more then just give large groups of young women enemas on a regular basis.

Flavio Gani
Flavio Gani

no, I will not sign up for this and I think it is being fueled by an irresponsible mind with no sociology or criminology background or proper research into the consequences; innocent people will get heart if this goes ahead. Besides, a reminder that SA does not have tons of good, honorable judges! Let us fight for more qualified education to the masses of this young society, now that's change.
-My deepest and sincere condolences to the family.

Eugene Havenga
Eugene Havenga
  • Flavio Gani

The "new" South Africa is already 23 years old, and our "new" leaders have steered the country into a mindless chasm never experienced before where the citizens excel in crime. This is international news. How many more murders do you propose will be enough before the "education" dreamworld becomes a reality? Pray that you or your family are not next. People go to jail for crimes committed, not for lack of education.

Gary Meaker
Gary Meaker
  • Flavio Gani

oh honestly Flavio What sociology and criminology and proper research accounts for the murder of the innocents or the hurt their families are subjected to. Why must the families of the innocnets suck it up whilst the murderers and their families are appeased. That is punishing the innocents for being the victims. That is wrong, even if it does "fit" in this crazy country of ours.

Shane Roberts
Shane Roberts
  • Flavio Gani

You are so right, i have friends in OZ and you must hear what the rest of the world think of our new government. There is no law or order in the police force or in government. The new South Africa is following the same path Zimbabwe took. The corruption starts at the top. Renovating a house is a lot more important.

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