Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner

To everyone who is in favour of the death penalty: It's easy to pass this job on to an executioner. Now I want to see YOU do it! But I won't make it easy for you and just let you push a button. No. I want you to face the comdemned person bound to a chair, give you a knife, and then I want to see you kill this person. I want to watch how you will need to repress all your compassion that is left within you to push the blade into the body of that person. I want to watch you how you may need to...

To everyone who is in favour of the death penalty: It's easy to pass this job on to an executioner. Now I want to see YOU do it! But I won't make it easy for you and just let you push a button. No. I want you to face the comdemned person bound to a chair, give you a knife, and then I want to see you kill this person. I want to watch how you will need to repress all your compassion that is left within you to push the blade into the body of that person. I want to watch you how you may need to stab this person several times to make sure he/she dies, and I wonder if you would enjoy bathing in that person's blood, and if you will really have any feeling of justice afterwards. Will you be able to sleep again, or will you rather not be able to get those pictures out of your head ever? If you can do all that without any feeling of remorse, you are of the very same violent mindset as the perpetrator. We should rather do something about the causes instead of the symptoms. The death penalty is undemocratic. Human rights apply to everyone. Think about it.

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

Thank you Stefan but your argument is somewhat invalid. We are not the same as people who kill without conscience. I will be 'compassionate' and let them die with dignity with the injection.I just want to ask you two questions - 1. Do you live in South Africa? And can you watch these men (talking about Anene's murder here) do what they did to Anene and say afterwards that they do not deserve a similar fate? That they deserve human rights? Take them to Germany then and stuff them in your...

Thank you Stefan but your argument is somewhat invalid. We are not the same as people who kill without conscience. I will be 'compassionate' and let them die with dignity with the injection.I just want to ask you two questions - 1. Do you live in South Africa? And can you watch these men (talking about Anene's murder here) do what they did to Anene and say afterwards that they do not deserve a similar fate? That they deserve human rights? Take them to Germany then and stuff them in your prisons and care for them because we don't want them anywhere near our society.My personal belief is that we should use them for experiments - cosmetic and space experiments. Why do animals have to suffer? At least then they can give something back to society!

Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner
  • Stefan Wagner

Hi Nicolene, I think you don't know what you're saying. So killing with conscience is good killing then? I think that your ability of compassion which everyone has is as deeply buried inside yourself as in the criminals we talk about. We are not to kill unless in the heat of the moment or in self-defense. I do live in South Africa, and coming from Europe gives me the privilege to see South Africans from a different perspective. I experience people in Germany and Europe as much more peaceful...

Hi Nicolene, I think you don't know what you're saying. So killing with conscience is good killing then? I think that your ability of compassion which everyone has is as deeply buried inside yourself as in the criminals we talk about. We are not to kill unless in the heat of the moment or in self-defense. I do live in South Africa, and coming from Europe gives me the privilege to see South Africans from a different perspective. I experience people in Germany and Europe as much more peaceful and less brainwashed by Hollywood movies advertising vigilantism and violence. I'd never watch anyone committing a crime, but would help or call for help. This is not the same as killing someone on purpose. You can't solve problems by killing criminals – in fact they *are* part of your society, so we need to address the causes. Only a person with a violent mindset can suggest to use people for medical experiments. We've experienced this in our German history when Nazi doctors did experiments on people of which they thought they didn't deserve to live. You should also be aware of the fact that you aren't a better person just because you never murdered anyone, but that no one of us will be able to stay innocent.

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

Hi Stefan. Well your opinion is yours and mine is mine so let's just agree to disagree? I'm not here to debate with anyone. If you want to sign,sign.If you don't, DON'T and move along

Stefan Wagner
Stefan Wagner
  • Stefan Wagner

Well, if you speak to me directly in your post, I have the right to react, don't I? It's called democracy. And I will not leave the last word to people like you who promote violating human rights. I have learnt from my country's past, when will you learn from yours?

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

LOL

Patrick Francis
Patrick Francis
  • Stefan Wagner

Yes, I agree Nicolene. Stefan you are still wet behind the ears. One day when you are a lot older and have had someone close to you senslessly murdered you will understand. In the meantime sign the petition or leave this space my boy!

Kenneth Boswell
Kenneth Boswell
  • Stefan Wagner

To Stefan. What kind of a decent human being rapes, disembowels and murders people in a cold blooded manner? What do you suggest then as a solution? You say we must put ourselves in the position of having to be a condemned man about to be executed. Why don't you put yourself in the position of a victim of violent crime, e.g. rape, murder etc. Imagine having to fight for your life and die a horrible gruesome death when you did nothing more than just do a normal day to day activity, or even...

To Stefan. What kind of a decent human being rapes, disembowels and murders people in a cold blooded manner? What do you suggest then as a solution? You say we must put ourselves in the position of having to be a condemned man about to be executed. Why don't you put yourself in the position of a victim of violent crime, e.g. rape, murder etc. Imagine having to fight for your life and die a horrible gruesome death when you did nothing more than just do a normal day to day activity, or even better, put yourself in the position of a family member that has to stand paralyzed in fear, or trying to save the person you love or hold dear being slaughtered like an animal. I can bet you the victim will be feeling the pain far worse than the perpetrator. in Germany and other countries the justice system and the police, along with the government are efficient and the criminals are punished in South Africa they are not. Simple as that.

Aubrey Fouche
Aubrey Fouche
  • Stefan Wagner

personally i believe by bringing the death penalty back we will much better off without criminals paying our corrupt courts to loose a docket as we all know this has been the norm since ANC government has come into power we as South Africans be it black white yellow must stop the rot

Nicolene Potgieter
Nicolene Potgieter
  • Stefan Wagner

Dear Stefan. I cannot do that. I do not posses what it takes to look some one in the eye and slash their throat. I am not an animal like these people who I think deserve death. But what I will do is let this person say goodbye to their families,have a nice warm last meal and then I'll personally make him/her comfortable on a bed,maybe give them a tranquilizer or 6 before they get the injection and gracefully fall asleep to never wake up. That I can do.Personally. I can at least give them...

Dear Stefan. I cannot do that. I do not posses what it takes to look some one in the eye and slash their throat. I am not an animal like these people who I think deserve death. But what I will do is let this person say goodbye to their families,have a nice warm last meal and then I'll personally make him/her comfortable on a bed,maybe give them a tranquilizer or 6 before they get the injection and gracefully fall asleep to never wake up. That I can do.Personally. I can at least give them that while they could not give that to their victims. I will not take pleasure in it as they took with their vile deeds. I will do it for the good and safety of the nation.Hell I wish I can go like that one day instead of bleeding to death with my intestines lying besides me while I get raped.

Karen Jennings
Karen Jennings
  • Stefan Wagner

Well said Nicolene.

Landé Willemse
Landé Willemse
  • Stefan Wagner

Dear Stefan, I am sorry if you think that murderers and rapists have more rights than their victims! I think that when you become such a savage, you have NO MORE human rights!!

Daniel Blood
Daniel Blood
  • Stefan Wagner

It's undemocratic to kill a person and take it's rights away ! you try to be complicated and play with good peoples minds.....murderers do that all the time....ps don't take it personal....Christians cover Christians , friends cover friends .....do you catch the idea?......you need more...

Wilma Tredoux Koller
Wilma Tredoux Koller

Yes! Bring back the death penalty , that will once again restore the value of life, if you don't' regard the value of others life's, then your life also should not be valued, God so valued life that He gave His only Son for each one of us, so that we would not be lost, but can have everlasting life with Him, BUT.... you must turn your heart and life to Jesus and REPENT and ask for FORGIVENESS and Except JESUS into your heart and life, in other words, BE REBORN... Prison nowadays is like an...

Yes! Bring back the death penalty , that will once again restore the value of life, if you don't' regard the value of others life's, then your life also should not be valued, God so valued life that He gave His only Son for each one of us, so that we would not be lost, but can have everlasting life with Him, BUT.... you must turn your heart and life to Jesus and REPENT and ask for FORGIVENESS and Except JESUS into your heart and life, in other words, BE REBORN... Prison nowadays is like an hotel, in Jesus's days and earlier days, you didn't want to go to prison, because it is horrible, wake up!

James Lamb
James Lamb
  • Wilma Tredoux Koller

Yes I agree , the sooner the better ! This country of ours has no place for rapists , murderers and criminals .

Michael David Boock
Michael David Boock

hang the swines in public,, then what the reaction ,,

Louise Brooks
Louise Brooks

Guys, be fair? This is the so called "new SA"? What a joke! I aggree 100% as previously, the death penalty was legal and life was better for all of us, respect was on top of our priority list - but now? Listen, look and see arround you, its all over, the barbaric, cruel, unhuman way of living here in the beloved SA is not acceptable and we always sensitize people on this topic, but how about for once in our life - let's stand together, stick toegether and live together and support the DEATH PENALTY!

Camille Smith
Camille Smith

This is a hard one. I believe in the value of human life. I don't want anyone to die in a violent way. But I also know if this were my daughter I would make it my lifes mission to hunt down these men and kill them, if no one else would. if you have the capacity for such brutality, to look a woman in the face as you destroy her body and take her life, we have no allegiance to you. You have forfeited your right to be a part of our society, of our human family. the death penalty may not prevent...

This is a hard one. I believe in the value of human life. I don't want anyone to die in a violent way. But I also know if this were my daughter I would make it my lifes mission to hunt down these men and kill them, if no one else would. if you have the capacity for such brutality, to look a woman in the face as you destroy her body and take her life, we have no allegiance to you. You have forfeited your right to be a part of our society, of our human family. the death penalty may not prevent crime and it surely does not undo it, but criminals of this nature have to be eliminated that's really all there is to it. I believe non violent offenders deserve second chances and can be rehabilitated but once you have crossed the line into this type of brutality, there is no going back. There are so many children falling through the cracks, growing up to become criminals because they are undervalued, under privileged. Let's not waste our time trying to save monsters but to stop them from becoming just that by changing our attitudes about women, equality, children, and the roles we all play

Chris Clements
Chris Clements

The Death Penalty Information Center (U.S.) has published a list of 8 inmates "executed but possibly innocent". At least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt. I would hope we all agree 1 innocent accidentally killed is too many.

United States
Wayne Felker, a convicted rapist, is also claimed to have been an innocent victim of execution. Felker was a suspect in the disappearance of a Georgia woman in...

The Death Penalty Information Center (U.S.) has published a list of 8 inmates "executed but possibly innocent". At least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt. I would hope we all agree 1 innocent accidentally killed is too many.

United States
Wayne Felker, a convicted rapist, is also claimed to have been an innocent victim of execution. Felker was a suspect in the disappearance of a Georgia woman in 1981 and was under police surveillance for two weeks prior to the woman's body being found. The autopsy was conducted by an unqualified technician, and the results were changed to show the death occurring before the surveillance had begun. After Felker's conviction, his lawyers presented testimony by forensics experts that the body could not have been dead more than three days when found. A stack of evidence was found hidden by the prosecution that hadn't been shared with the defence or presented in court, including DNA evidence that might have exonerated Felker or cast doubt on his guilt. There was also a signed confession by another suspect in the paperwork, but despite all this, Felker was executed in 1996. In 2000, his case was reopened in an attempt to make him the first executed person in the US to have DNA testing used to prove his innocence after his execution.
Johnny Frank Garrett of Texas was executed for allegedly raping and murdering a nun. Evidence and testimony originally suggested that a Cuban individual was the culprit before Frank became the main suspect. The flawed case is explored in a 2008 documentary The Last Word.
Carlos DeLuna was executed in Texas in December 1989. Subsequent investigation cast doubt on DeLuna's culpability for the murder of which he had been convicted.
Thomas and Meeks Griffin were executed in 1915 for the murder of a man involved in an interracial affair two years previously but were pardoned 94 years after execution. It is thought that they were arrested and charged because they were not wealthy enough to hire competent legal counsel and get an acquittal.
Chipita Rodriguez was hanged in San Patricio County, Texas in 1863 for murdering a horse trader, and 122 years later, the Texas Legislature passed a resolution exonerating her.

United Kingdom
Timothy Evans was tried and executed in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter Geraldine. An official inquiry conducted 16 years later determined that it was Evans's fellow tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie, who was responsible for the murder. Christie also admitted to the murder of Evans's wife, as well as five other women and his own wife. Christie may have murdered other women, judging by evidence found in his possession at the time of his arrest, but it was never pursued by the police. Evans was posthumously pardoned in 1966. The case had prompted the abolition of capital punishment in the UK in 1965.
Derek Bentley was a mentally challenged young man who was executed in 1953, also in the United Kingdom. He was convicted of the murder of a police officer during an attempted robbery, despite the facts that it was his accomplice who fired the gun and that Bentley was already under arrest at the time of the shooting. The accomplice who actually fired the fatal shot could not be executed due to his young age.

China and Taiwan.
Wei Qingan was a Chinese citizen who was executed for the rape of Liu, a woman who had disappeared. The execution was carried out on 3 May 1984 by the Intermediate People's court. In the next month, Tian Yuxiu was arrested and admitted that he had committed the rape. Three years later, Wei was officially declared innocent.
Teng Xingshan was a Chinese citizen who was executed for supposedly having raped, robbed and murdered Shi Xiaorong, a woman who had disappeared. An old man found a dismembered body, and incompetent police forensics claimed to have matched the body to the photo of the missing Shi Xiaorong. The execution was carried out on 28 January 1989 by the Huaihua Intermediate People's court. In 1993, the previously missing woman returned to the village, saying she had been kidnapped to Shandong. The absolute innocence of the wrongfully executed Teng was not admitted until 2005.
Nie Shubin was a Chinese citizen who was executed for the rape and murder of Kang Juhua, a woman in her thirties. The execution was carried out on April 27, 1995 by the Shijiazhuang Intermediate People's court. In 2005, ten years after the execution, Wang Shujin admitted to the police that, in fact, he had committed the murder.
Qoγsiletu was an Inner Mongolian who was executed for the rape and murder of a young girl on June 10, 1996. On December 5, 2006, ten years after the execution, Zhao Zhihong wrote the Petition of my Death Penalty admitting that, in fact, he had committed the crime.
Jiang Guoqing was a Taiwanese soldier who was executed by a military tribunal on August 13, 1997 for the rape and murder of a five-year-old girl. On January 28, 2011, over 13 years after the execution, Xu Rongzhou admitted to the prosecutor that he had been responsible for the crime.

Rolene Ross
Rolene Ross

God doesn't sleep.The word says if you live by the sword you shall die by the sword.He knows how many hairs we have on our head, so it is time we stand together and rid our society of the evil one, there is no denying since the death penalty was abolished crime is out of control.Why are the human rights more concerned about the criminal and not the victim.For answers go to Botswana and find out what crime they have wh.
ere the death penalty is carried out.

Geraldine MacLeod-Pickel

Not much between his ears.....it is so normal in their lives, and they don't care, have a conscience, and are only interested where they can gain something.....death penalty should be brought back for rape as well as murder. the sooner the better.

James K Devassy
James K Devassy

STOP DEATH PENALTY/.

Helen Kuhn
Helen Kuhn

Wait till it happens to the. 1 of President 's daughters and see what happens

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