Greg Lee
Greg Lee

As you can see I have OUR flag as my profile picture. If you want to talk about it get you facts right. What alot of you refer to in the 1st quarter or the Upper Hoist as the Union Jack is actually the Union. The "jack" came from the part of ship in which the union was flown / hoisted known as the "Jack" which is on the aft end of a ship.

David Parker
David Parker
  • Greg Lee

Keep Anzac Day in its current form... what a joke..... you stating FACTUAL history should be taught in schools... while you sprout your version of facts in regards to the Australian Ensign/Australian Flag!!!!!

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • Greg Lee

As a child at school we had morning assembly where we swore our allegiance to her majesty and saluted the flag but the bloody republicans and labour wankers did away with it so now you have nothing.

Robert Glen Williams
Robert Glen Williams

if you don't like our flag or who we are it's quite simple FUCK OFF.

Michelle Pumpernickel
Michelle Pumpernickel
  • Robert Glen Williams

Uh - it's an Australian born idea. Pretty sure it's their flag as well. They have the same rights as you do to be here.
http://www.news.com.au/national/ausflag-unveils-new-aussie-flag-to-be-used-at-sporting-events/comments-fncynjr2-1226561280074

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • Robert Glen Williams

I went your web address Michelle to have a look at the design of this flag but they don't show it. Are they ashamed?

Matt MacAlpine
Matt MacAlpine

If it's not broken don't fix it leave the aussie flag the way it is, my family on both side's fought for freedom in both world war's and were lucky to return to australia they loved this flag and so do I , if it was to change I would still keep my beloved unoin jack with the southeren cross.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Matt MacAlpine

Appreciate the Support Matt, I do speak for All who have signed and support our National Fag :)

Matt MacAlpine
Matt MacAlpine
  • Matt MacAlpine

cool teresa please like ART ARMY sydney

Jude Bouckley-Simons
Jude Bouckley-Simons

I'm all for keeping the flag, lets just change the picture on it :-)

Jude Bouckley-Simons
Jude Bouckley-Simons
  • Jude Bouckley-Simons

Each to their own, my personal op...Oz is sun, sand n humans. Let this reflect in what we show the world...On the other hand, I fully respect and understand when the diggers want it left as is...It is them that I owe the life-style I choose to live...

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • Jude Bouckley-Simons

Don't even consider changing the red, white and blue, bugger the sun and the sand, you dont live in the bloody desert.

Adrian Schonfelder
Adrian Schonfelder

The designs for a new flag are ugly and a joke.
If you dislike the Aussie flag then you can leave and live elsewhere!

Andrew Newton
Andrew Newton
  • Adrian Schonfelder

I disagre. I think all we need to do is swap the Union Jack for either a kangaroo that is red and faces right.

Lorelle Sunderland
Lorelle Sunderland
  • Adrian Schonfelder

Peter, what about the African,Indonesian,New Guinean,Moari tribes who roamed here millions of years ago? Do you want to add their symbols as well?

Kathy White
Kathy White

Our soldiers are still fighting with this flag has did our fathers & grandfathers we are very proud of them

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Kathy White

The Australian National Flag is raised every morning at the school in Villers-Bretonneux in France, in memory of the thousands of Australian casualties in liberating their village in 1917 (during the First World War).

Stuy Davey
Stuy Davey

if we change our flag all the soldiers that died under the flag did so for nothing.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Stuy Davey

The Australian National Flag is raised every morning at the school in Villers-Bretonneux in France, in memory of the thousands of Australian casualties in liberating their village in 1917 (during the First World War).

Peter Faassen
Peter Faassen

Well-ll ummm I AGREE BUT why not put a few Aussie icons on it like they did with our money? Say Steve ewin. Slim dusty, maybe peter Brock to name but a few or sir Donald Bradman kinda faded super imposed in the flag? Just my thought and I really think the Aboriginal flag should be Incorporated :)

Jonathan Paget
Jonathan Paget
  • Peter Faassen

pity there's not a dislike button on Fb

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • Peter Faassen

Peter may I add to your suggestion but first of all put your head in the dunny and get someone to flush it.

David Parker
David Parker

I am a proud Australian, and love the Australian Flag....

This Petition asking us Aussies to sign to keep the flag as it is, amuses me..... as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII......

well in actual fact they didn't!

While the flag came into effect in 1901 after a public competition, it was known as the Australian Ensign..... it was NOT the official flag of Australia until the Flag Act (1953), which...

I am a proud Australian, and love the Australian Flag....

This Petition asking us Aussies to sign to keep the flag as it is, amuses me..... as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII......

well in actual fact they didn't!

While the flag came into effect in 1901 after a public competition, it was known as the Australian Ensign..... it was NOT the official flag of Australia until the Flag Act (1953), which was signed and ratified by Lizzie on her 1954 trip to Australia.....

SO.... the "flag", too which Aussies refer too, representing Australia in WWI and WWII was actually called the Australian Ensign.... NOT the Australian Flag.

And here are definitions of flag/ensign:

National "Australian" Flag - an emblem flown as a symbol of nationality.

"Australian" Ensign Flag - emblem usually consisting of a rectangular piece of cloth of distinctive design... an emblem - a visible symbol representing an abstract idea.

Cut and paste from The Australian Monarchist League website:

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

''On the battlefronts, Australian servicemen would as often see the Union Jack and the flags of the Allies as they would the Australian blue ensign.'

In both World Wars, the RAAF fought under the British Royal Air Force Flag. In World War II, the RAN fought under the British Navy Ensign with the Australian blue ensign at the bow as an additional flag. The Australian Army fought under Australian red and blue ensigns and the Union Jack.

I am not suggesting for a moment with this post that I support a change of flag.... I DO NOT..... but I do want the arguments used to support the Flag.... to be accurate :)

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • David Parker

Mr. David Parker ; You are missing ONE VITAL point, the ANZACS and ALL those who followed, to this current Deployment (Plus Myself I will add) Joined up HERE in Australia, and served their Flag & Country, not the USA or Canadian or other Flag or Country, OUR FLAG.

Show me where I am as you put it misleading those who signed within this Petition? You say:

Quote - as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and...

Mr. David Parker ; You are missing ONE VITAL point, the ANZACS and ALL those who followed, to this current Deployment (Plus Myself I will add) Joined up HERE in Australia, and served their Flag & Country, not the USA or Canadian or other Flag or Country, OUR FLAG.

Show me where I am as you put it misleading those who signed within this Petition? You say:

Quote - as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII...... Unquote

WHERE Mr. Parker ?

If you can I will REMOVE it...simple the WHOLE Petition.

My Grandfather and Cousin were ANZACS and was killed in Action, as if they lived, I would of 40-Years ago ask for their comments & Views. (Lest We Forget)

If you want a BUM FIGHT you are making it and one for this Cause, and this is NOT the point of this Cause, it is Keeping Our National Flag and not having those like AusFlag change it.

(If you are out to argue the point my PM BOX is open to all. I tried to Message you but you HIDE......so I have to make my message Public)
BTW Interesting if you look on the Federal Government site you will see this IMAGE https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/539632_502447139806880_1811187336_n.jpg It is From Australian War Merm Art : AWM ART19665

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

Ms Bayes.... where have I used your name, inferred this comment to you, or even suggested I am responding to your lop sided reality of the world.... there is a word for people like you.... EGOTIST!..... sorry to inform you my comment was to the world at large..... and while you may have taken my comments personally...... my response to that is.... it ISNT ALL ABOUT YOU MY DEAR!!!!!

NOW........to respond to your egotistical rant!

Firstly.... I do not hide, I am on FB.... and open to...

Ms Bayes.... where have I used your name, inferred this comment to you, or even suggested I am responding to your lop sided reality of the world.... there is a word for people like you.... EGOTIST!..... sorry to inform you my comment was to the world at large..... and while you may have taken my comments personally...... my response to that is.... it ISNT ALL ABOUT YOU MY DEAR!!!!!

NOW........to respond to your egotistical rant!

Firstly.... I do not hide, I am on FB.... and open to messages from all....

Secondly.... the talk is to change the flag is regarding the SPORTING (Boxing Kangaroo) flag not the Australian flag....

Thirdly.... I am NOT disrespecting our Anzacs or Diggers in the least... I am correcting misinformation being put out by "so called experts" over the flag (or more correctly ENSIGN) the Anzacs and Diggers fought under in both WWI and WWII.

Fourthly... you only have to read the thread here.... as well as those sharing the petition on FB who are commenting over and over about the flag and how our Anzacs and Diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII......

I want discussion to reflect reality.... Anzacs and diggers were NOT represented by an Australian Flag at all during both of those conflicts...... and the picture you use to support your argument shows Australian Soldiers carrying the AUSTRALIAN ENSIGN.... and if you don't understand the difference, even after I defined it for you..... then.... you are showing a closed mind to truth and if you or any other person think I am being disrespectful to our military heros..... because I dare to CORRECT misinformation.... then personally.... that is your issue to deal with.... as I am a proud Aussie, PROUD of our ANZACS and our DIGGERS and what they have achieved, and thankful to them for their sacrifices to allow this great land to move forward.....

and again I paste for you the definition from my previous post taken from

http://www.monarchist.org.au/australian-flag.html

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

''On the battlefronts, Australian servicemen would as often see the Union Jack and the flags of the Allies as they would the Australian blue ensign.'

In both World Wars, the RAAF fought under the British Royal Air Force Flag. In World War II, the RAN fought under the British Navy Ensign with the Australian blue ensign at the bow as an additional flag. The Australian Army fought under Australian red and blue ensigns and the Union Jack.

NOW... I challenge you so point out the words AUSTRALIAN FLAG..... in any of that paragraph!!!!!

The Flags Act 1953
With the passage of the Flags Act 1953, the Commonwealth blue ensign became the Australian National Flag.

There is truth, and then there is...... an individual's truth.... which isnt always... THE TRUTH!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

dear... lets keep anzac day as it is......

well......if i am speaking truth and educating the Australian population with their HISTORY, and that doesnt sit well with you, cos it makes you or the RSL squimish..... again... there is truth... and then there is the truth YOU want people to believe..... but it DOESNT CHANGE the truth...... with all due respect :)

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

ahh.... ok.... so you have spoken to a historian... an academic.... wow... arent you intelligent Lets Keep Anzac Day as it is...... well I have spoken to my 96 year old GREAT UNCLE... who is still alive and kicking..... and was a Capt in the Australian Army in WWII.... he laughed at this arguement... and stated.... in WWII it was for KING and country..... and acknowledged he fought under the Union Jack.... so.... who do you believe... an academic... reading history.... OR.... a MAN...

ahh.... ok.... so you have spoken to a historian... an academic.... wow... arent you intelligent Lets Keep Anzac Day as it is...... well I have spoken to my 96 year old GREAT UNCLE... who is still alive and kicking..... and was a Capt in the Australian Army in WWII.... he laughed at this arguement... and stated.... in WWII it was for KING and country..... and acknowledged he fought under the Union Jack.... so.... who do you believe... an academic... reading history.... OR.... a MAN THAT WAS THERE AND PART OF HISTORY???? let the readers decide!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

*yawn*... not one Anzac signed up under the Australian Flag.... I am not sure of NZ's history.... and I truly wish you would reflect ACCURATELY AUSTRALIAN HISTORY... Anzac's signed up under the Union Jack... and were represented by... the Australian Ensign (for Australian Troops).... scream it, repeat it as many times as you wish..... but until 1953... AUSTRALIANS DID NOT FIGHT UNDER the AUSTRALIAN FLAG... they fought under the Union Jack, and were REPRESENTED by the AUSTRALIAN ENSIGN.......

*yawn*... not one Anzac signed up under the Australian Flag.... I am not sure of NZ's history.... and I truly wish you would reflect ACCURATELY AUSTRALIAN HISTORY... Anzac's signed up under the Union Jack... and were represented by... the Australian Ensign (for Australian Troops).... scream it, repeat it as many times as you wish..... but until 1953... AUSTRALIANS DID NOT FIGHT UNDER the AUSTRALIAN FLAG... they fought under the Union Jack, and were REPRESENTED by the AUSTRALIAN ENSIGN.... scream it, stamp your feet and have a tantrum.... but it DOES NOT CHANGE, history or fact.... and if AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE are STUPID enough to listen to your hissey fit..... and are too lazy to understand THEIR HISTORY.... all power to them.... but you know.... IT DOESNT CHANGE FACT..... or..... HISTORY!!!!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

until the Flags Act of 1953...........

The Flags Act 1953
"With the passage of the Flags Act 1953, the Commonwealth blue ensign became the Australian National Flag."

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

When the question of a new Australian flag is debated, it is sometimes said that the Australian National Flag should not be changed because Australians fought and died under it in two World Wars. This is only part of the story: 'On the battlefronts, Australian...

until the Flags Act of 1953...........

The Flags Act 1953
"With the passage of the Flags Act 1953, the Commonwealth blue ensign became the Australian National Flag."

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

When the question of a new Australian flag is debated, it is sometimes said that the Australian National Flag should not be changed because Australians fought and died under it in two World Wars. This is only part of the story: 'On the battlefronts, Australian servicemen would as often see the Union Jack and the flags of the Allies as they would the Australian blue ensign.' In both World Wars, the RAAF fought under the British Royal Air Force Flag. In World War II, the RAN fought under the British Navy Ensign with the Australian blue ensign at the bow as an additional flag. The Australian Army fought under Australian red and blue ensigns and the Union Jack.

so... PLEASE use factual history... and not your own version of history... problem is ACTUAL HISTORY doesnt support you cause.... as much as YOUR VERSION of history!!!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

as the measure of the law CLEARLY STATES...... IGNORANCE..... IS NO EXCUSE!!!! ;)

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • David Parker

You really have a problem David Parker and far to much to say as being a supporter, you want to swamp the issue and to create confusion. Do you really think that the soldiers gave a damn whether cowardly politicians declared that the red or the blue or even the union flag would be the official flag that they were fighting under while dodging bullets and bombs, do you think that they did not feel elation when they saw the red, white and blue no matter what other coloured field that may have...

You really have a problem David Parker and far to much to say as being a supporter, you want to swamp the issue and to create confusion. Do you really think that the soldiers gave a damn whether cowardly politicians declared that the red or the blue or even the union flag would be the official flag that they were fighting under while dodging bullets and bombs, do you think that they did not feel elation when they saw the red, white and blue no matter what other coloured field that may have accompanied it? Grow up and leave the flag as it is. At school I remember assembly and saluting the flag and pledging allegiance to the monarch and what of it.?

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

I NEVER said i wanted the flag changed... I probably know more about OUR Australian flag than you RONALD..... I am merely correcting a misconception that the flag WASNT our flag OFFICIALLY until 1956.... so in both world wars... we fought under an ensign, and THE flags I mentioned above... so... if you or anyone want to use "dont change the flag due to soldiers who fought under it in WWI and WWII" you should change your rhetoric and use VALID arguements.... that is my point.....!!!! and...

I NEVER said i wanted the flag changed... I probably know more about OUR Australian flag than you RONALD..... I am merely correcting a misconception that the flag WASNT our flag OFFICIALLY until 1956.... so in both world wars... we fought under an ensign, and THE flags I mentioned above... so... if you or anyone want to use "dont change the flag due to soldiers who fought under it in WWI and WWII" you should change your rhetoric and use VALID arguements.... that is my point.....!!!! and obviously... it was lost on you, and a large number of.....*insert adjective here* poeple here!

Anthony Boserio
Anthony Boserio

I was born under this flag served under this flag respect this flag and want to die under this flag.

Ron Corso
Ron Corso
  • Anthony Boserio

Anthony would you like to be buried in Great Britain because at the moment that's where our flag belongs...It's embarassing, confusing for people outside Australia and it shows insecurity and immaturity in not being able to finally grow up and be ourselves We are no longer a part of the British Empire which ended ages ago, it's time for the 57 yr old bloke to move out of the family home because ironically Mummy and Daddy left ages ago.

Krystal Curry
Krystal Curry
  • Anthony Boserio

Ron.. if you think halls flag is confusing for outsiders, I am here to report I know the difference in the Australian flag and the British flag... kinda hard not to ..
I'm from Texas so pretty well outside Australia :-)

Michael Clohessy
Michael Clohessy
  • Anthony Boserio

Ron, my flag belongs on my flagpole in my yard and it's not broke so I don't want it fixed.

Maybe you should move from Adelaide to Sydney, New South Australia (get rid of the Wales reference). But wait, Sydney was named in honour of the British Home Secretary of the time and Adelaide after the spouse of a UK King...........so that would be from Kuarna Aboriginal country to Cadigal Aboriginal country!

Might be time to emigrate if you are that burdened by the Union Jack on our flag!

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Anthony Boserio

@Ron, you are out of line my friend, stating this in your words, we have had a lot of Good Aussies & Migrants Served and Died to make Australia FREE and you will only be causing issues; one we do not Support. If you continue to act like this, sorry but this is a Vote of Support of Our Nations Flag, not to PR your views, if you do NOT support it, why did you sign?

Jonathan Paget
Jonathan Paget
  • Anthony Boserio

spoken like a true wog

Anthony John McAlister
Anthony John McAlister
  • Anthony Boserio

Ron Corso, it is you who is the immature moron living at home with mum and dad, never served under the flag, cant stand those who believe in being a patriot, and, will never understand the pride that goes with those who currently servre or who have served. If you dont want to live under our current national flag, get a passport and fuck off. By the way, I am 57, have my own home, joined the Army at 17, have been deployed twice and still serve my country.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Anthony Boserio

Hi Anthony, I Blocked Mr Ron Corso, as he started to SPAM this Important effort of the True Australians some just like to not accept the fact's of the matter, Anthony, we ALL appreciate your support - Regards Teresa.

Vic Clark
Vic Clark
  • Anthony Boserio

pull your head in ron corso we are still part of the commonwealth last i looked maybe you should grow up and stop sounding like a spiolt ass.

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • Anthony Boserio

Mr Corso, are you the one who is embarrassed and ashamed because Fiji decided to change their flag and you feel that it is time to step into the 21st century? Well you appear to be in the minority here. The colours of red, white and blue make it the most recognised flag in the world and the most beautiful.

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