Lena Allen
Lena Allen

our forefathers fought for the rights of every Australian to have the right to be an Australia, Just like the song by Peter Allen that I still call Australia home. What's not broke doesn't need fixing. There is nothing wrong with our flag as it is! It has been at the helm of wars leading men into battle to fight for the freedom of every Australian so that we have the right to live free, why change that it makes no sence. I ALSO DO NOT WANT AUSTRALIA DAY CHANGED TO CITIZEN DAY- How bloody...

our forefathers fought for the rights of every Australian to have the right to be an Australia, Just like the song by Peter Allen that I still call Australia home. What's not broke doesn't need fixing. There is nothing wrong with our flag as it is! It has been at the helm of wars leading men into battle to fight for the freedom of every Australian so that we have the right to live free, why change that it makes no sence. I ALSO DO NOT WANT AUSTRALIA DAY CHANGED TO CITIZEN DAY- How bloody UNAUSTRALIAN is that crap. If you don't like Australia as it is piss off and go back to where you cam from.

Aaron Hazell
Aaron Hazell
  • Lena Allen

Yes but we fought in WW1 under the British flag, which was our flag then. We need to stand up for ourselves.

Colin Wardrop
Colin Wardrop
  • Lena Allen

Aaron you are wrong the Australian Flag was adopted on the 3rd of Sep 1901

Willy Charalambous
Willy Charalambous
  • Lena Allen

To Max they r talking about the AUSSIE flag not about guy rights. and your in Hanoi vietnam no facebook over there!! big no no there !!don`t let the gov found u lol

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Lena Allen

Arron this from Australian War memeral ww1 Flag on a 1918 Post card : https://cas.awm.gov.au/screen_img/RC04121

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Lena Allen

Colin Wardrop Correct 100% we have been flying the Current Australian Flag since 1901, thoe Many Schools in Australia till 1965 did only sing the God Save the Queen and fly the Union Jack, but also raised the Australian Flag after they performed School Assemb.

Debbie Barnes
Debbie Barnes
  • Lena Allen

Well said Lena,,I couldn't agree more !!!

Steven Adams
Steven Adams
  • Lena Allen

Our fore fathers fought because the government told them to.

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • Lena Allen

So there were no volunteers then? They were all conscripted so in fear of the Australian government they meekly went to war? IDIOT

David Parker
David Parker

I am a proud Australian, and love the Australian Flag....

This Petition asking us Aussies to sign to keep the flag as it is, amuses me..... as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII......

well in actual fact they didn't!

While the flag came into effect in 1901 after a public competition, it was known as the Australian Ensign..... it was NOT the official flag of Australia until the Flag Act (1953), which...

I am a proud Australian, and love the Australian Flag....

This Petition asking us Aussies to sign to keep the flag as it is, amuses me..... as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII......

well in actual fact they didn't!

While the flag came into effect in 1901 after a public competition, it was known as the Australian Ensign..... it was NOT the official flag of Australia until the Flag Act (1953), which was signed and ratified by Lizzie on her 1954 trip to Australia.....

SO.... the "flag", too which Aussies refer too, representing Australia in WWI and WWII was actually called the Australian Ensign.... NOT the Australian Flag.

And here are definitions of flag/ensign:

National "Australian" Flag - an emblem flown as a symbol of nationality.

"Australian" Ensign Flag - emblem usually consisting of a rectangular piece of cloth of distinctive design... an emblem - a visible symbol representing an abstract idea.

Cut and paste from The Australian Monarchist League website:

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

''On the battlefronts, Australian servicemen would as often see the Union Jack and the flags of the Allies as they would the Australian blue ensign.'

In both World Wars, the RAAF fought under the British Royal Air Force Flag. In World War II, the RAN fought under the British Navy Ensign with the Australian blue ensign at the bow as an additional flag. The Australian Army fought under Australian red and blue ensigns and the Union Jack.

I am not suggesting for a moment with this post that I support a change of flag.... I DO NOT..... but I do want the arguments used to support the Flag.... to be accurate :)

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • David Parker

Mr. David Parker ; You are missing ONE VITAL point, the ANZACS and ALL those who followed, to this current Deployment (Plus Myself I will add) Joined up HERE in Australia, and served their Flag & Country, not the USA or Canadian or other Flag or Country, OUR FLAG.

Show me where I am as you put it misleading those who signed within this Petition? You say:

Quote - as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and...

Mr. David Parker ; You are missing ONE VITAL point, the ANZACS and ALL those who followed, to this current Deployment (Plus Myself I will add) Joined up HERE in Australia, and served their Flag & Country, not the USA or Canadian or other Flag or Country, OUR FLAG.

Show me where I am as you put it misleading those who signed within this Petition? You say:

Quote - as I see the same argument over and over: Keep the Flag as it is as it is the Flag our diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII...... Unquote

WHERE Mr. Parker ?

If you can I will REMOVE it...simple the WHOLE Petition.

My Grandfather and Cousin were ANZACS and was killed in Action, as if they lived, I would of 40-Years ago ask for their comments & Views. (Lest We Forget)

If you want a BUM FIGHT you are making it and one for this Cause, and this is NOT the point of this Cause, it is Keeping Our National Flag and not having those like AusFlag change it.

(If you are out to argue the point my PM BOX is open to all. I tried to Message you but you HIDE......so I have to make my message Public)
BTW Interesting if you look on the Federal Government site you will see this IMAGE https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/539632_502447139806880_1811187336_n.jpg It is From Australian War Merm Art : AWM ART19665

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

Ms Bayes.... where have I used your name, inferred this comment to you, or even suggested I am responding to your lop sided reality of the world.... there is a word for people like you.... EGOTIST!..... sorry to inform you my comment was to the world at large..... and while you may have taken my comments personally...... my response to that is.... it ISNT ALL ABOUT YOU MY DEAR!!!!!

NOW........to respond to your egotistical rant!

Firstly.... I do not hide, I am on FB.... and open to...

Ms Bayes.... where have I used your name, inferred this comment to you, or even suggested I am responding to your lop sided reality of the world.... there is a word for people like you.... EGOTIST!..... sorry to inform you my comment was to the world at large..... and while you may have taken my comments personally...... my response to that is.... it ISNT ALL ABOUT YOU MY DEAR!!!!!

NOW........to respond to your egotistical rant!

Firstly.... I do not hide, I am on FB.... and open to messages from all....

Secondly.... the talk is to change the flag is regarding the SPORTING (Boxing Kangaroo) flag not the Australian flag....

Thirdly.... I am NOT disrespecting our Anzacs or Diggers in the least... I am correcting misinformation being put out by "so called experts" over the flag (or more correctly ENSIGN) the Anzacs and Diggers fought under in both WWI and WWII.

Fourthly... you only have to read the thread here.... as well as those sharing the petition on FB who are commenting over and over about the flag and how our Anzacs and Diggers fought under it in WWI and WWII......

I want discussion to reflect reality.... Anzacs and diggers were NOT represented by an Australian Flag at all during both of those conflicts...... and the picture you use to support your argument shows Australian Soldiers carrying the AUSTRALIAN ENSIGN.... and if you don't understand the difference, even after I defined it for you..... then.... you are showing a closed mind to truth and if you or any other person think I am being disrespectful to our military heros..... because I dare to CORRECT misinformation.... then personally.... that is your issue to deal with.... as I am a proud Aussie, PROUD of our ANZACS and our DIGGERS and what they have achieved, and thankful to them for their sacrifices to allow this great land to move forward.....

and again I paste for you the definition from my previous post taken from

http://www.monarchist.org.au/australian-flag.html

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

''On the battlefronts, Australian servicemen would as often see the Union Jack and the flags of the Allies as they would the Australian blue ensign.'

In both World Wars, the RAAF fought under the British Royal Air Force Flag. In World War II, the RAN fought under the British Navy Ensign with the Australian blue ensign at the bow as an additional flag. The Australian Army fought under Australian red and blue ensigns and the Union Jack.

NOW... I challenge you so point out the words AUSTRALIAN FLAG..... in any of that paragraph!!!!!

The Flags Act 1953
With the passage of the Flags Act 1953, the Commonwealth blue ensign became the Australian National Flag.

There is truth, and then there is...... an individual's truth.... which isnt always... THE TRUTH!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

dear... lets keep anzac day as it is......

well......if i am speaking truth and educating the Australian population with their HISTORY, and that doesnt sit well with you, cos it makes you or the RSL squimish..... again... there is truth... and then there is the truth YOU want people to believe..... but it DOESNT CHANGE the truth...... with all due respect :)

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

ahh.... ok.... so you have spoken to a historian... an academic.... wow... arent you intelligent Lets Keep Anzac Day as it is...... well I have spoken to my 96 year old GREAT UNCLE... who is still alive and kicking..... and was a Capt in the Australian Army in WWII.... he laughed at this arguement... and stated.... in WWII it was for KING and country..... and acknowledged he fought under the Union Jack.... so.... who do you believe... an academic... reading history.... OR.... a MAN...

ahh.... ok.... so you have spoken to a historian... an academic.... wow... arent you intelligent Lets Keep Anzac Day as it is...... well I have spoken to my 96 year old GREAT UNCLE... who is still alive and kicking..... and was a Capt in the Australian Army in WWII.... he laughed at this arguement... and stated.... in WWII it was for KING and country..... and acknowledged he fought under the Union Jack.... so.... who do you believe... an academic... reading history.... OR.... a MAN THAT WAS THERE AND PART OF HISTORY???? let the readers decide!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

*yawn*... not one Anzac signed up under the Australian Flag.... I am not sure of NZ's history.... and I truly wish you would reflect ACCURATELY AUSTRALIAN HISTORY... Anzac's signed up under the Union Jack... and were represented by... the Australian Ensign (for Australian Troops).... scream it, repeat it as many times as you wish..... but until 1953... AUSTRALIANS DID NOT FIGHT UNDER the AUSTRALIAN FLAG... they fought under the Union Jack, and were REPRESENTED by the AUSTRALIAN ENSIGN.......

*yawn*... not one Anzac signed up under the Australian Flag.... I am not sure of NZ's history.... and I truly wish you would reflect ACCURATELY AUSTRALIAN HISTORY... Anzac's signed up under the Union Jack... and were represented by... the Australian Ensign (for Australian Troops).... scream it, repeat it as many times as you wish..... but until 1953... AUSTRALIANS DID NOT FIGHT UNDER the AUSTRALIAN FLAG... they fought under the Union Jack, and were REPRESENTED by the AUSTRALIAN ENSIGN.... scream it, stamp your feet and have a tantrum.... but it DOES NOT CHANGE, history or fact.... and if AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE are STUPID enough to listen to your hissey fit..... and are too lazy to understand THEIR HISTORY.... all power to them.... but you know.... IT DOESNT CHANGE FACT..... or..... HISTORY!!!!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

until the Flags Act of 1953...........

The Flags Act 1953
"With the passage of the Flags Act 1953, the Commonwealth blue ensign became the Australian National Flag."

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

When the question of a new Australian flag is debated, it is sometimes said that the Australian National Flag should not be changed because Australians fought and died under it in two World Wars. This is only part of the story: 'On the battlefronts, Australian...

until the Flags Act of 1953...........

The Flags Act 1953
"With the passage of the Flags Act 1953, the Commonwealth blue ensign became the Australian National Flag."

What flag was flown during the First and Second World Wars?

When the question of a new Australian flag is debated, it is sometimes said that the Australian National Flag should not be changed because Australians fought and died under it in two World Wars. This is only part of the story: 'On the battlefronts, Australian servicemen would as often see the Union Jack and the flags of the Allies as they would the Australian blue ensign.' In both World Wars, the RAAF fought under the British Royal Air Force Flag. In World War II, the RAN fought under the British Navy Ensign with the Australian blue ensign at the bow as an additional flag. The Australian Army fought under Australian red and blue ensigns and the Union Jack.

so... PLEASE use factual history... and not your own version of history... problem is ACTUAL HISTORY doesnt support you cause.... as much as YOUR VERSION of history!!!

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

as the measure of the law CLEARLY STATES...... IGNORANCE..... IS NO EXCUSE!!!! ;)

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • David Parker

You really have a problem David Parker and far to much to say as being a supporter, you want to swamp the issue and to create confusion. Do you really think that the soldiers gave a damn whether cowardly politicians declared that the red or the blue or even the union flag would be the official flag that they were fighting under while dodging bullets and bombs, do you think that they did not feel elation when they saw the red, white and blue no matter what other coloured field that may have...

You really have a problem David Parker and far to much to say as being a supporter, you want to swamp the issue and to create confusion. Do you really think that the soldiers gave a damn whether cowardly politicians declared that the red or the blue or even the union flag would be the official flag that they were fighting under while dodging bullets and bombs, do you think that they did not feel elation when they saw the red, white and blue no matter what other coloured field that may have accompanied it? Grow up and leave the flag as it is. At school I remember assembly and saluting the flag and pledging allegiance to the monarch and what of it.?

David Parker
David Parker
  • David Parker

I NEVER said i wanted the flag changed... I probably know more about OUR Australian flag than you RONALD..... I am merely correcting a misconception that the flag WASNT our flag OFFICIALLY until 1956.... so in both world wars... we fought under an ensign, and THE flags I mentioned above... so... if you or anyone want to use "dont change the flag due to soldiers who fought under it in WWI and WWII" you should change your rhetoric and use VALID arguements.... that is my point.....!!!! and...

I NEVER said i wanted the flag changed... I probably know more about OUR Australian flag than you RONALD..... I am merely correcting a misconception that the flag WASNT our flag OFFICIALLY until 1956.... so in both world wars... we fought under an ensign, and THE flags I mentioned above... so... if you or anyone want to use "dont change the flag due to soldiers who fought under it in WWI and WWII" you should change your rhetoric and use VALID arguements.... that is my point.....!!!! and obviously... it was lost on you, and a large number of.....*insert adjective here* poeple here!

Robyn Keal
Robyn Keal

For Those Who Want To Change The Flag, All Non Diggers They Will Be Glad, But They Didn't Fight With Blood And Sweat........ Come ON Aussie........ LEST WE FORGET.

Garry Brew
Garry Brew
  • Robyn Keal

It's our flag keep it at that unlike Australia day when their were flags of all nations flying here, are we the only country in the world with more than one flag so in this country Australia make sure we only fly one flag. The Australian flag.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Robyn Keal

The Australian National Flag is raised every morning at the school in Villers-Bretonneux in France, in memory of the thousands of Australian casualties in liberating their village in 1917 (during the First World War).

Torsten Loebert
Torsten Loebert
  • Robyn Keal

The Diggers did not fight under the Australian Flag. But it is likely that some soldiers did take Australian flags with them during battle. Officially it is not the flag of conflict before WW2 but unofficially it's likely many proud Australian soldiers used it as a symbol of their plight to keep Australia free.

Paul David Mckenzie
Paul David Mckenzie
  • Robyn Keal

lets keep this flag it is the only flag i will salute one nation one flag this egg and spoon flag should be banned as i state one flag one nation

Ken Phelps
Ken Phelps
  • Robyn Keal

Teresa Bayes

Ken Phelps
Ken Phelps
  • Robyn Keal

Personally I have always loved your flag and still do. It is original and only a complete idiot could mistake it for a British flag. You must stand together in a united front and keep that flag just as it is and the same thing for Australia Day! Political correctness goes too far and only seems to want to apease most who are not orriginally from your country. Well if they don't like your flag or your holiday, then they can fuck off back to whatever third world shithole they came from. We had...

Personally I have always loved your flag and still do. It is original and only a complete idiot could mistake it for a British flag. You must stand together in a united front and keep that flag just as it is and the same thing for Australia Day! Political correctness goes too far and only seems to want to apease most who are not orriginally from your country. Well if they don't like your flag or your holiday, then they can fuck off back to whatever third world shithole they came from. We had very similar problems here in Canada, The Union Jack was once the symbol of Canada, but during the Great War si many of our soldiers began etching the maple leaf in caves and on walls just before combat that it very quickly caught on as a symbol of our country. Although it was not fully recognised on a national flag until the mid 60's. But up until that time you will find the maple leaf in one form or another either stitched, or cst in military emblems for our soldier's uniforms as they went into battle, so unofficially as a whole the entire country recognised the maple leaf as a symbol of pride and national unity and identity, long before the government did. We also fought under the British flag since the Boer War in 1898 and were proud to do it and be part of the Commonwealth. We love our flag now as it exists today mainly because it is uniquely Canadian. If you ask a Canadian born here, they will tell you that they love the Australian Flag. I certainly do, and make goddamn sure it stays that way out of respect for your fighting men, your children and your very way of life. You should never tamper with something that works. Our two great countries have a lot in common. Far too many people who are not originally from here that want to upset the very balance of things as they exist. Well do not listen to them. Your flag, your national holiday and your people are wonderful. I love Australia.........keep it Australian for all those who deeply love and respect the land, god bless all of you.......and you know who you are,.....the ones who would willingly fight to preserve your way of life. As you wonderful people say........"No Worries!"

Ronald Reiman
Ronald Reiman
  • Robyn Keal

What would the Canadian flag look like with a union flag in the corner and a maple leaf on the field the same way that we have the Southern Cross?

Nick Barlow
Nick Barlow

Many have fought & died for this flag, change it & you are spitting in their faces!

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Nick Barlow

Appreciate the support Mate :)

Michelle Pumpernickel
Michelle Pumpernickel

I can't get that worked up over a flag - and I don't care about sport at all.
In terms of importance a simple flag design change is pretty low on the list of things I'm concerned about.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Michelle Pumpernickel

then , i am sorry you don,t get it , if your aussie then you should care ,its important to the majority of australians

Tracey Bowman
Tracey Bowman

Are all those who are gutless and unaustralian going to bend over and let them take our flag away from us , haven't they tried taking enough already! NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY OUR PRIDE AND THOSE THINGS WE SEE THAT ARE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE COUNTRY , TOO MANY ARE OVERRUNNING THINGS AND ABUSING THE AUSTRALIAN WAY OF LIFE! THAT's A BLOODY FACT.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Tracey Bowman

Ditto Tracey - Ditto :)

David Rowe
David Rowe

Leave the decision of changing the OUR FLAG to the MEN & WOMEN who fought for it.
They do have a bigger right,& I will stand by their decision.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • David Rowe

Hi David Yes our ANZAC's would turn in their graves if changes was to happen, so I will fight to retain, our Flag and Keep it as it is. I may also add that we have a very close family friend killed in this latest conflict, he Stood for the Flag and gave his all under it (RIP Scotty) - Appreciate your Support – Regards T.

Iris Elmer-Atkinson
Iris Elmer-Atkinson

I LOVE our Australian flag, please do NOT change it. Our soldiers fought under that flag, to me that is EVERYTHING! I will be most disappointed if it is changed.

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Iris Elmer-Atkinson

Hi Iris, You and countless others are in Support to retain OUR National Flag, this has in the past been raised, however this time those trying to make History Change have Stepped over the Line, Yes our ANZAC's would turn in their graves if changes was to happen, so I will fight to retain, our Flag and Keep it as it is. Appreciate your Support – Regards T.

Vicki Lennon
Vicki Lennon

Why would we want a new flag, especially one with South African colours on it?

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Vicki Lennon

Well said......:)

Margaret Phillips
Margaret Phillips

Keep our Flag my Grandfather fought under this flag in World War I and my Unlce fought in the World War II under this flag and thousands of other war heros have or are fighting under this flag, so KEEP YOU BLOODY HANDS OFF OUR FLAG!

Teresa Bayes
Teresa Bayes
  • Margaret Phillips

Did you know:. The Australian National Flag is raised every morning at the school in Villers-Bretonneux in France, in memory of the thousands of Australian casualties in liberating their village in 1917 (during the First World War).

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