Evan Sidener
Evan Sidener

I can only agree with the second point of this petition. The 3rd point is not valid because only those who have made multiple accounts should be punished not everyone who uses the page. While I do not believe in the reckless killing of wolves I do believe in the freedom of speech. Also I have visited one of their pages and while a lot of the page is devoted to hating wolves they have informative stuff as well like videos on how to trap wolves. Your petition is simply an attempt to silence...

I can only agree with the second point of this petition. The 3rd point is not valid because only those who have made multiple accounts should be punished not everyone who uses the page. While I do not believe in the reckless killing of wolves I do believe in the freedom of speech. Also I have visited one of their pages and while a lot of the page is devoted to hating wolves they have informative stuff as well like videos on how to trap wolves. Your petition is simply an attempt to silence those who have a different opinion then you. Also the whole Native American racism is bullshit you used to get facebook to remove their pages. I found no comments racist towards Native Americans on the page which leads me to believe you are saying it is racist towards Native Americans to kill wolves which is simply not true. This whole petition is an attempt to silence those who you disagree with you. You disgust me.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Evan Sidener

Look at the screen shots on this petition. They certainly are racist against Native Americans, and many others. And I said their actions are OFFENSIVE to many Native American tribes who are trying to protect the wolves that live on their land, that they consider to be brothers. This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech has its limits, and one of them is torture. When these behaviors are posted on a public forum with content standards, they are no longer protected under the blanket...

Look at the screen shots on this petition. They certainly are racist against Native Americans, and many others. And I said their actions are OFFENSIVE to many Native American tribes who are trying to protect the wolves that live on their land, that they consider to be brothers. This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech has its limits, and one of them is torture. When these behaviors are posted on a public forum with content standards, they are no longer protected under the blanket of free speech. And there are many other "informative" sites where you can learn about trapping and hunting that don't promote torture and cruelty.

Evan Sidener
Evan Sidener
  • Evan Sidener

commenting about torture on a social networking site isn't torture. So free speech still applies here. If you do not like what they say don't read it. Instead make a save the wolves page instead of attacking someone for having a different point of view.

Jolene Terry
Jolene Terry

Theres a differance between killing to survive and feed your family and killing for fun is sick and disgusting

Jamie Ozment
Jamie Ozment
  • Jolene Terry

I agree.

Kathryn Webers
Kathryn Webers

Law enforcement and the courts know that those who abuse/torture animals 'progress' to doing so to humans. Name a 'serial killer', and you'll be able to find their history in that. Penalties for abusing animals should be far more severe than they are now.

Jamie Ozment
Jamie Ozment
  • Kathryn Webers

I agree. Abuse to animals is obviously acceptable in this sick society.

Kim Alex
Kim Alex

Time and again my heart breaks for how humans treat other animals...unbelievable cruelty...I have taught my child that even to step on ants is unnecessary cruelty and at age 4 he is already challenging other children who inflict cruelty on earth's creatures...shame on the people who support this kind of sick barbaric behaviour...

Heather Skipp
Heather Skipp

This page is a culmination of everything that is wrong in society.
Despite the fact that it breaks Facebook's terms of service on so many levels it has not been removed. Make some noise.

Patricia BelfastGurl
Patricia BelfastGurl
  • Heather Skipp

This is what FB said to me:

Thanks for your recent report of a potential violation on Facebook. After reviewing your report, we were not able to confirm that the specific page you reported violates Facebook's Statement of Rights and Responsibilities

I just don't get it.

Margaret Lynn
Margaret Lynn
  • Heather Skipp

So, facebooks rights and responsibilities statement ends at, displays of wanton torture and unnecessary brutality ?

Margot Mistery
Margot Mistery

Animal joy killing should never be allowed anywhere and for any reason.

Eleanor Giles
Eleanor Giles
  • Margot Mistery

signed and shared

Klaus Ehlers
Klaus Ehlers
  • Margot Mistery

Not only animal joy killing, - any kind of animal killing should be stopped, - go veggie!

Mary Spilios
Mary Spilios
  • Margot Mistery

I agree with you and others...animal killing is awul. we have deer crossing signs, speed limits but people still find joy in hitting deer as they cross the street and tie them to the hood of their car for display

Tammie Gill
Tammie Gill
  • Margot Mistery

Klaus Ehlers What will you be saying when the population is out of hand and they come into your yard and kill your pets? Or better yet, humans are the most tasty dish of all. Wildlife management is where the problem is. And the petitions like this that make it okay for wildlife to over grow in population instead of letting nature take its course. This should be based on the actions of one man and those like him, the minority, and not judged as what the majority do that is humane and merciful.

Tammie Gill
Tammie Gill
  • Margot Mistery

Mary Sue Spilios Actually deer get in the middle of the road and when the lights shine on them, they freeze. And by then it is too late to avoid them. A minority enjoy hitting deer, especially with the rise of auto insurance and those same companies try everything they can to not pay for the damage a large animal, like a deer does to a car. Cars don't stop on a dime. And those who brag about hitting one should be lashed for not being more watchful when they know there are deer in the...

Mary Sue Spilios Actually deer get in the middle of the road and when the lights shine on them, they freeze. And by then it is too late to avoid them. A minority enjoy hitting deer, especially with the rise of auto insurance and those same companies try everything they can to not pay for the damage a large animal, like a deer does to a car. Cars don't stop on a dime. And those who brag about hitting one should be lashed for not being more watchful when they know there are deer in the area. Then again some of those people have food for the winter and won't starve.

Mike Cannon
Mike Cannon
  • Margot Mistery

Seriously???

Mo Pigeon
Mo Pigeon
  • Margot Mistery

Lets start calling it what it is "sadistic murder". And yes I agree whole-heartedly...it should never be allowed anywhere, by anyone.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Margot Mistery

Misty Fay, I have lived in the rockies in wolf territory. You know what I did when a wolf was in my back yard? I stayed inside for a few minutes until it was gone. NOT A BIG DEAL. And certainly not life and death. More people are killed by vending machines every year than wolves. It's a fact. Look it up.

Nanette Donithan
Nanette Donithan
  • Margot Mistery

Really?... u think people r finding joy in hitting deer with their cars?...dummy...wolves are at epidemic levels and need to be hunted to control populations so they don't suffer...the hunt and harvest of meat and fur is a time honored tradition...

Andrea Cook
Andrea Cook

Facebook needs to be sympathetic to Animals & Not allow any Hunting or Killing of Animal Pages to be posted what-so-ever!..Animals should Not be exploited or promoted for human Consumption or any other Barbaric reason!
Wolves are being attacked by human predators in every savage way imaginable! Facebook Pages needs Heroes for the Wolves & other Animals..
PLZ ABOLISH ALL ANIMAL HATE PAGES! MAKE THEM AGAINST THE RULES!

Kelly Jo Tynes-Peissner
Kelly Jo Tynes-Peissner
  • Andrea Cook

These pages are graphic violence. Once seen even accidently, you can never wipe the image out of your mind.

Anne Pratt
Anne Pratt
  • Andrea Cook

You are so right!!

Colin Wright
Colin Wright
  • Andrea Cook

The problem is that the majority of humans still think non-human animals are the same as inanimate objects. The laws are made to favor this outlook as well. Until all of society changes, until we see all other animals as equals, nothing will change.

Yari De Leon
Yari De Leon
  • Andrea Cook

Wow are you guys all blind?? By deleting these pages you are all just as cruel as the ppl torturing them, by looking the other way and doing nothing to help theses animals. Instead of deleting the pages you should get more involved on how to stop theses fuckers from harming theses innocennt creatures. How about do something to help save the animals. I actually disagree the pages should be kept up so the world see's what's truly going on! Period! If you care get involved don't turn your backs!!!!

Chris Britt
Chris Britt

Sharon Gray,

While I support your idea & petition, I cannot sign it... If I did, I would be throwing the First Amendment out the window. Hell, if that were the case, I would create a petition to ban you and your groups views/opinions/speech. The protection of the First Amendment goes both ways, right?

The First Amendment protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the...

Sharon Gray,

While I support your idea & petition, I cannot sign it... If I did, I would be throwing the First Amendment out the window. Hell, if that were the case, I would create a petition to ban you and your groups views/opinions/speech. The protection of the First Amendment goes both ways, right?

The First Amendment protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances...your petition is not sent in care of the US Government & only wishes to privately sensor the internet and/or Facebook.

The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government.

Despite popular misunderstanding the right to freedom of the press guaranteed by the first amendment is not very different from the right to freedom of speech. It allows an individual to express themselves through publication and dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression. It does not afford members of the media any special rights or privileges not afforded to citizens in general.

So the same amendment not only protects those writing about hunting animals, or specifically wolves, is the same amendment that protects your ability to protest and petition against it. It does not protect nor condone your movement to censor their speech, ideas, or beliefs.

I cannot see how their information would even be considered obscene, which would be a legitimate concern to abate the First Amendment protection. In one of the more famous First Amendment cases, Roth v. United States, there must be a clear and present danger to the public or cause/promote antisocial conduct:

"The protection given speech and press was fashioned to assure unfettered interchange of ideas for the bringing about of political and social changes desired by the people . . . . All ideas having even the slightest redeeming social importance—unorthodox ideas, controversial ideas, even ideas hateful to the prevailing climate of opinion—have the full protection of the guarantees, unless excluded because they encroach upon the limited area of more important interests. But implicit in the history of the First Amendment is the rejection of obscenity as utterly without redeeming social importance."

Similar instances can be found in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire as an example.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too, Sharon Gray...

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Chris Britt

You would be correct if this were a situation OTHER THAN a social networking site, which happens to have content standards of which include graphic violence, hate speech, and prejudiced speech. Did you take a look at the screen shots on this petition? It doesn't get much more antisocial. And this has far less to do with silencing their speech than it does stopping the tendency they have to escalate their violent acts and "one-up" each other. It's the "group think" herd mentality. I really...

You would be correct if this were a situation OTHER THAN a social networking site, which happens to have content standards of which include graphic violence, hate speech, and prejudiced speech. Did you take a look at the screen shots on this petition? It doesn't get much more antisocial. And this has far less to do with silencing their speech than it does stopping the tendency they have to escalate their violent acts and "one-up" each other. It's the "group think" herd mentality. I really couldn't care less what they say, it is what they do because of having these sites to gather and promote their agenda. People keep wanting to make this a first amendment issue, and it just isn't. If they were conversing in a bar, or through email, or nearly any other form than facebook, you may have a case. However, facebook decided for itself (as it is allowed to do) to have content standards. The point of this petition is to get facebook to recognize animal cruelty the same way it recognizes all other graphic violence. And please note, these are not "hunting" pictures. These are torture pages. Most hunting groups support this petition because these select few pages do not represent the beliefs of most hunters. If facebook can take down pictures of women breast feeding, they can surely take down pages dedicated to torture and violence towards animals. Again, this isn't about what they say, but what actions their words inspire in each other and making it more difficult for them to get together and perpetuate these behaviors.

Lynne Neville
Lynne Neville
  • Chris Britt

What the hell are people thinking of. What about the rights and feelings of animals. Animals don't have voices that can speak up about the horrific torture these (I cannot call them humans because they arn't), things do to animals. What does the First Amendment have to do with torture of any creature - BLOODY NOTHING. I hope you get the page shut down Sharon I am appalled by some peoples opinions about this awful thing. How would they feel if it was their own pet or maybe these so called people think it ok to torture anything.

Diana Robinson
Diana Robinson
  • Chris Britt

I don't think acts of cruelty toward animals should be protected by the first amendment, they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. To say that people should be protected under the first amendment to post about their committing acts of cruelty is like saying someone should be able to torture a person and then post pictures and brag about it. Someone is being genuinely harmed, and the harm should not be rewarded.

Marlene Middleton Blackburn

Again. No offense to any people who support this particular cause. @ Sharon Gray; I did look at every photo. Still... Homophobic? Racism? Handicapped?

Marlene Middleton Blackburn
Marlene Middleton Blackburn
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

Fyi; not justifing/ making excuses or strongly disagreeing... in 1969 when I was 12, I volunteered years for the no-kill SPCA; worked for veterinarian clinics- some supported by PETA ; in 1998 founded and still am Director for the Richmond Ferret Rescue League... our no-kill ferret shelter has six locations; all of these ferrets are housed in our homes. Most are not caged; they have their own rooms; luckily we have terrific veterinarians. Unwarranted killing of any animal... Especially...

Fyi; not justifing/ making excuses or strongly disagreeing... in 1969 when I was 12, I volunteered years for the no-kill SPCA; worked for veterinarian clinics- some supported by PETA ; in 1998 founded and still am Director for the Richmond Ferret Rescue League... our no-kill ferret shelter has six locations; all of these ferrets are housed in our homes. Most are not caged; they have their own rooms; luckily we have terrific veterinarians. Unwarranted killing of any animal... Especially cruelty... is way beyond horrendous. I am a vegetarian as well; no leather in my home. No offense once again. Please take a look at ALL abuse... of all types whether it be children... elderly...war...

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

The pictures of Obama in black face are racist. The photo of the handicapped child making fun of his disability is prejudiced towards disabled people. If you read the comments (and there are many more on the sites that I didn't take screenshots of) they say incredibly homophobic and misogynistic things. I agree, I am against abuse of all kinds. That is why, even though this petition is primarily aimed at the animal torture, I mentioned the other hate on the pages. These people are sick in many ways.

Marlene Middleton Blackburn
Marlene Middleton Blackburn
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

No comment except I stand by my opinion.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

That is your right. Thank you for what you do for the ferrets, by the way.

Elizabeth Eynon-Sottile

Is it possible that the people running this facebook page, be held accountable on actions of animal cruelty? I can't imagine that this is leagal. Is there some way that we can press their state of residence to press charges?

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Elizabeth Eynon-Sottile

Unfortunately most of what they do is legal. We are trying to get those laws changed. In the pictures that show things that aren't legal, the cowards don't show their faces, so even though WE know who they are it can be hard to prove. Many of these guys have animal cruelty charges already (as well as domestic violence, child abuse, assault, etc) and it hasn't deterred them much.

Neville Jones
Neville Jones
  • Elizabeth Eynon-Sottile

SO GET IT OFF LINE THEN THERES NO DEBATE AND NO HELP FOR THE POOR ANIMALS IT WONT STOP BY HIDING IT

Neville Jones
Neville Jones
  • Elizabeth Eynon-Sottile

YOUR JUST HELPING THESE MORONS BY HIDING IT YOU ARE HELPING THE CRUELTY

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