Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi

I would of signed if this petition wasn't extending the truth... racist, homophobic, and prejudice? I don't know the extent on these websites for I don't care to read them, but I do not see how wolf hunting is any of them three? This petition may equally be just as offending as the websites its trying to ban with comments like those. If you want my sign either back up your acquisitions or delete them..

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Stephen Girardi

Take a look at the screen shots on the petition. They are all from these sites. I exaggerated nothing.

Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi
  • Stephen Girardi

i looked at the pics and the website itself, it seems like more of a wolf killing site than a torturing site. I do know that some states wolves are bad with killing their livestock. Which is kind of a catch 22 because they are only acting out in their own instincts but people in those areas rely on their livestock to live and eat. Livestock are trapped into a fence areas and wolves are used to fleeing animals. Anyhow good luck with your petition

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Stephen Girardi

You don't consider clubbing, running over repeatedly with a snowmobile, strangling, letting a suffering, bleeding animal die a slow painful death while you watch and laugh to be torture? I guess we have different definitions. The ranchers are reimbursed for livestock deaths caused by wolves. A lot of the problems between wolves and livestock are actually on public lands WITHOUT fences. Fences would help the situation. Thank you for taking the time to look, though. I respect people who try to...

You don't consider clubbing, running over repeatedly with a snowmobile, strangling, letting a suffering, bleeding animal die a slow painful death while you watch and laugh to be torture? I guess we have different definitions. The ranchers are reimbursed for livestock deaths caused by wolves. A lot of the problems between wolves and livestock are actually on public lands WITHOUT fences. Fences would help the situation. Thank you for taking the time to look, though. I respect people who try to educate themselves rather than taking anything at face value.

Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi
  • Stephen Girardi

No I do find all that to be torture, but I looked for stuff containing gathering invites or events set up to do such things which I didn't it appears to be any just a page of 200 immature people. I think instead of petitioning some immature page the real action should be against the torturing via assemblies, demanding laws and so fourth. Blocking that page will do nothing more or less in helping wolves, Not that it really matters but from what I researched on wolves is that with livestock...

No I do find all that to be torture, but I looked for stuff containing gathering invites or events set up to do such things which I didn't it appears to be any just a page of 200 immature people. I think instead of petitioning some immature page the real action should be against the torturing via assemblies, demanding laws and so fourth. Blocking that page will do nothing more or less in helping wolves, Not that it really matters but from what I researched on wolves is that with livestock being in fenced and kinda just standing near the kill the livestock are very prone to being attacked and killed as well.

Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi
  • Stephen Girardi

But if you do start a law petition I'll be glad to throw my signature on and pass it around.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Stephen Girardi

Thanks Stephen, that's the next step. This petition is to get the attention of the media. Without that, the politicians won't listen. I'll let you know.

Evan Sidener
Evan Sidener

I can only agree with the second point of this petition. The 3rd point is not valid because only those who have made multiple accounts should be punished not everyone who uses the page. While I do not believe in the reckless killing of wolves I do believe in the freedom of speech. Also I have visited one of their pages and while a lot of the page is devoted to hating wolves they have informative stuff as well like videos on how to trap wolves. Your petition is simply an attempt to silence...

I can only agree with the second point of this petition. The 3rd point is not valid because only those who have made multiple accounts should be punished not everyone who uses the page. While I do not believe in the reckless killing of wolves I do believe in the freedom of speech. Also I have visited one of their pages and while a lot of the page is devoted to hating wolves they have informative stuff as well like videos on how to trap wolves. Your petition is simply an attempt to silence those who have a different opinion then you. Also the whole Native American racism is bullshit you used to get facebook to remove their pages. I found no comments racist towards Native Americans on the page which leads me to believe you are saying it is racist towards Native Americans to kill wolves which is simply not true. This whole petition is an attempt to silence those who you disagree with you. You disgust me.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Evan Sidener

Look at the screen shots on this petition. They certainly are racist against Native Americans, and many others. And I said their actions are OFFENSIVE to many Native American tribes who are trying to protect the wolves that live on their land, that they consider to be brothers. This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech has its limits, and one of them is torture. When these behaviors are posted on a public forum with content standards, they are no longer protected under the blanket...

Look at the screen shots on this petition. They certainly are racist against Native Americans, and many others. And I said their actions are OFFENSIVE to many Native American tribes who are trying to protect the wolves that live on their land, that they consider to be brothers. This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech has its limits, and one of them is torture. When these behaviors are posted on a public forum with content standards, they are no longer protected under the blanket of free speech. And there are many other "informative" sites where you can learn about trapping and hunting that don't promote torture and cruelty.

Evan Sidener
Evan Sidener
  • Evan Sidener

commenting about torture on a social networking site isn't torture. So free speech still applies here. If you do not like what they say don't read it. Instead make a save the wolves page instead of attacking someone for having a different point of view.

Heidi Hill
Heidi Hill

Take it off

Sara Peterson
Sara Peterson

This is so sad it breakes my heart to see and hear things like this it's not even human it's evil I have animals i am an animal lover i don't jusr look at them as animals i look at them as beings with souls they feel things like we do this shit has to come down

Melindi Charle
Melindi Charle

TO THESE AWFULL PEOPLE YOU ARE NOT RIGHT IN YOURE MINDS!! THERE IS SOMETHING VERY BAD AND EVIL LURKING IN YOURE SOULS!! TO THINK ITS FUN TO TORTURE A WOLF !! SHAME AND DISGUST ON YOU !THE WHOLE WORLD THINKS YOU ARE RUBBISH !!MELINDI

Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

This petition is ignorant, childish and incredibly narrow-minded, your protest is one that aims to restrict the public's access to knowledge, because it offends you, a select group of humans can't trap and eat wolves? Yes, wolves look lovely, I'm sure some species are even endangered, but what gives YOU the right to say 'You can't do that, because I find it offensive.'?
At least these people eat what they kill rather than leaving it to rot, it's so much better if we just shoot it and leave...

This petition is ignorant, childish and incredibly narrow-minded, your protest is one that aims to restrict the public's access to knowledge, because it offends you, a select group of humans can't trap and eat wolves? Yes, wolves look lovely, I'm sure some species are even endangered, but what gives YOU the right to say 'You can't do that, because I find it offensive.'?
At least these people eat what they kill rather than leaving it to rot, it's so much better if we just shoot it and leave the carcass? Or is it just okay when you buy that beef burger from McDonalds and over the counter the hard work is done for you.
I don't even do this myself, but how dare you suggest that others should not be permitted to share this knowledge when they mean no harm other than to enjoy what nature offers. Just remember, every time you buy any meat anywhere, some animal had to die to put that on your plate, something then butchered it, selected a recipe and then cooked it, this page merely offers that information to the public.
Put down your banners, stop trying to get attention and think, what have they actually done wrong? These people have taken a sport they enjoy and through it found a way to sustain themselves inexpensively and enjoy wolf meat.
Maybe even try reading some of Jean Jacques Rousseau's work and you'll get an inkling as to why hunting and eating your prey is a natural, noble and laudable way of living.

Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

*publics'

Janet Russo Eshbaugh
Janet Russo Eshbaugh
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

Seems like you're the attention-getter here, Oscar. Pontificate somewhere else, please.

Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

*attention-seeker
Nice use of fancy words but they fail to hide the blatant hypocrisy of that statement, you can say that to me when *I* start a petition to try and shut down your silly facebook pages which are anti-wolf recipes. In the meantime I'm going to sit down to shark fin soup, roasted bottle nose dolphin and with my wolf cub skull full to the brim of a 1998 Veuve Clicquot La Grande Dame, toast the notion that your comment actually held any significance at all.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

Oscar, your comment would be somewhat valid if anything you said applied to the people this petition is aimed at. They are not merely hunters eating their kills. In fact, they view wolves as vermin and have admitted they would never lower themselves to eating the "rat" wolves. The names of their sites are supposed to be ironic. You need to do your research before you spew your dime store philosophy. Have you looked at the screen shots on this petition? These people are torturing animals (not...

Oscar, your comment would be somewhat valid if anything you said applied to the people this petition is aimed at. They are not merely hunters eating their kills. In fact, they view wolves as vermin and have admitted they would never lower themselves to eating the "rat" wolves. The names of their sites are supposed to be ironic. You need to do your research before you spew your dime store philosophy. Have you looked at the screen shots on this petition? These people are torturing animals (not just wolves) because they think it is fun. The vast majority of philosophers (including Rousseau- who loved animals and nature and argued for animal rights) did not and would not agree with this behavior. I am a vegan, so your nonsense about burgers doesn't apply here, either. Again, take a look at the screen shots and then tell me they "mean no harm".

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

P.S. this petition has done exceptionally well among hunting communities because most hunters do not condone what these people do and these sites promote. There is nothing educational about them.

Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

Well Sharon, my mistake for throwing you in with the same group as another one who really DID seem to be against eating wolves, although, I do really have to point out that vermin is a subjective term and depends on your point of view. To these people wolves are vermin, heck, to ME wolves are vermin, it is not beyond the scope of my imagination to believe that wolves may very well eat game animals, and by definition that makes them vermin. However I agree that that doesn't condone the...

Well Sharon, my mistake for throwing you in with the same group as another one who really DID seem to be against eating wolves, although, I do really have to point out that vermin is a subjective term and depends on your point of view. To these people wolves are vermin, heck, to ME wolves are vermin, it is not beyond the scope of my imagination to believe that wolves may very well eat game animals, and by definition that makes them vermin. However I agree that that doesn't condone the actions of the hunters to torture other animals, and yes, I am well aware of the opinions of Rousseau as far as animals went and actually his philosophy was based more around the idea of humanity being in tune with nature, and staying away from technology, he saw humans as 'noble savages' and preferred hunting animals to giving them rights. But I digress.
Ah well, it is a shame some people are this way inclined, but the very nature of such a stupid following is a small one, and if I were you I wouldn't waste my time.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

Yes, it is small to us, but a few hundred people can inflict a lot of pain on a lot of animals. Even just one person doing this is enough for me to spend time to prevent it.

Ariane's Place
Ariane's Place
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

Well well well, Oscar, seems you're a boss in copy/paste, doesn't it ? ^^

Seb Ristori
Seb Ristori
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

ok oscar you think that you can take what nature offers U...but what is offered is maybe not to be killed, it might be offered to all of us, and you don't have the right to take it out from our nature, who is offering it to all of us...maybe, someone might want to take U away becoz he thinks that what is there is always to be taken...what is there, like the sky, the air, the seas and all nature jewels are some to be taken..and some to be left standin' alive...do i make myself clear enough for U..think a minute about it...Pal

Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
Oscar Jin Kazama Medd
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

*Shudders* Oh good lord the spelling/grammatical errors...
And honestly? 'do i make myself clear enough for U' No! Really, honestly no! I can barely understand the point you are trying to convey... That what nature offers should be shared with everyone? That no one person has the right to dictate what is given and not? If so... Well being the dominant species anything that isn't human/man-made is what nature offers, so that's what we can take, and fine, next time they kill a wolf, line up...

*Shudders* Oh good lord the spelling/grammatical errors...
And honestly? 'do i make myself clear enough for U' No! Really, honestly no! I can barely understand the point you are trying to convey... That what nature offers should be shared with everyone? That no one person has the right to dictate what is given and not? If so... Well being the dominant species anything that isn't human/man-made is what nature offers, so that's what we can take, and fine, next time they kill a wolf, line up with a bowl and the other 7 billion people in the world and I'm sure they'll share, get there early enough and you might even get a micro gram of the eyeball. Great idea...
Oh and keep a dictionary nearby when you reply, your spelling is making me feel less intelligent by the minute.

Bill Matsoukas
Bill Matsoukas
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

I agree with your comments about spelling and grammar. Thanks to the U.S. public schools, dingbat psychologists (Dr. Spock, et al), and parental indulgence we have raised a generation of followers that cannot find their own butt with both hands and a flashlight.

Anne Kennedy Rackham
Anne Kennedy Rackham
  • Oscar Jin Kazama Medd

If you were subjected to the original page, and did not find it offensive, you are no huntsman and given half the chance, several people would love to inform you as to just why it was disgusting and cruel.

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey

After reading your total post I am regretful I signed this petition. In true political fashion you include issues that have ZERO to do with the main topic of offence "animal cruelty". PLEASE inform me what does homosexuality have to do with this particular petition? IF you want to be successful in stopping the wolf page issue or any other issue, stop playing politics, that belongs in Washington, we know to expect it there( unfortunately). I will not again sign one of your petitions, no...

After reading your total post I am regretful I signed this petition. In true political fashion you include issues that have ZERO to do with the main topic of offence "animal cruelty". PLEASE inform me what does homosexuality have to do with this particular petition? IF you want to be successful in stopping the wolf page issue or any other issue, stop playing politics, that belongs in Washington, we know to expect it there( unfortunately). I will not again sign one of your petitions, no matter how noble the supposed cause, I'll find another one that doesn't try and manipulate morals for all of us.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

The petition is about removing the pages from facebook. In order to do that, unfortunately, it IS political. Facebook does not have any specific mention of animals in their community standards. They do mention religions, races, sexual orientation, etc. In order to get fb to remove the page, we must appeal to the rules they have in place. And I also felt it relevant to point out that these people not only hurt animals, but are harmful to most people as well. There is no manipulation, it is...

The petition is about removing the pages from facebook. In order to do that, unfortunately, it IS political. Facebook does not have any specific mention of animals in their community standards. They do mention religions, races, sexual orientation, etc. In order to get fb to remove the page, we must appeal to the rules they have in place. And I also felt it relevant to point out that these people not only hurt animals, but are harmful to most people as well. There is no manipulation, it is clearly stated. I assume most people read the petition before signing it. I find it incredibly telling that you would sign a petition about animal rights but are then offended when it also stands up for the rights of people...

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Oh make no mistake I am all for the rights of people, just not for the rights of something I find morally offensive and still I argue the point that sexual preference has nothing to do with the cause you wanted to petition. I did not read the whole of your argument as I had no reason to feel I needed to, you proved me wrong and from now on I will not just take things at face value, this is just a social community , not a political arena. And if you want to make a difference then I suggest...

Oh make no mistake I am all for the rights of people, just not for the rights of something I find morally offensive and still I argue the point that sexual preference has nothing to do with the cause you wanted to petition. I did not read the whole of your argument as I had no reason to feel I needed to, you proved me wrong and from now on I will not just take things at face value, this is just a social community , not a political arena. And if you want to make a difference then I suggest you ask them to change their community standards that way you don't have to sneak through the backdoor to get what you want. And what is so "telling" about my love of animals and my refusal to give a nod to homosexuality? Sorry I'm not politically correct that way :) I've spent too much time on this. Have a great day.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Then you are not for the rights of all people. This petition has nothing to do with attempting to make gay marriage legal, or any other political issue that homosexuals contend with. It is about torture and bullying. If you looked at the screenshots, these people are not commenting on their moral beliefs. They are harassing and bullying people -not just gay people- black people, women, mentally disabled people, etc. Surely you are opposed to bullying? I think you read the one buzzword...

Then you are not for the rights of all people. This petition has nothing to do with attempting to make gay marriage legal, or any other political issue that homosexuals contend with. It is about torture and bullying. If you looked at the screenshots, these people are not commenting on their moral beliefs. They are harassing and bullying people -not just gay people- black people, women, mentally disabled people, etc. Surely you are opposed to bullying? I think you read the one buzzword "homosexual" and let your bigotry run away with your reasoning abilities. Might I also add that nearly 300,000 people have signed this petition and not one of them have taken issue with homosexuals being mentioned. A handful have disagreed with arguing for the religious beliefs of Native Americans. There are MANY reasons to remove these hate pages. Make no mistake about it, everything they put out there, whether it be towards animals or people, is HATE. And THAT is what has no place on a social community.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

I should also point out that homosexual behavior has been observed in wolves, and many, many other animal species, as well. If I were you I might find it a little difficult to reconcile my "moral" stance on homosexuality with my love of animals, and desire to stand up for one but not the other...

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

That is absurd for you to say I am not for the rights of all people, based on the fact I will not buy into the falsehood that homosexuality is a natural trait for any living being. I have the right to choose my own belief system and I will not equate a chosen lifestyle with the color of someones skin or mental abilities, that's ridiculous. And I have never stood aside for bullying, because I disagree with your promotion of a lifestyle you throw out the buzzword bigot, where did I say it was...

That is absurd for you to say I am not for the rights of all people, based on the fact I will not buy into the falsehood that homosexuality is a natural trait for any living being. I have the right to choose my own belief system and I will not equate a chosen lifestyle with the color of someones skin or mental abilities, that's ridiculous. And I have never stood aside for bullying, because I disagree with your promotion of a lifestyle you throw out the buzzword bigot, where did I say it was ok to bully anyone? Please point that out, if you are going to make accusations like that, back it up. And as far as animals being homosexuals, it's well known that animals will mock mount another weaker animal to dominate, also why a female will also mount even though there is obviously no sex involved, but you go on believing what you want, it's your right to have an affinity for whatever you choose. Personally I would stand up for a homosexual, for the person NOT the life choice. And as far as these people that have these pages filled with hate they need to be kicked off of FB, I have NO sympathies for their plight.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

I am a biologist. I have studied animal behavior as well as genetics. I am not referring to dominance behavior. I am referring to homosexual sex. We have found the epi-marks that genetically pass homosexuality from parent to child. You can think whatever you want about homosexuality, it is your freedom to remain ignorant to the science if you choose. I'll say it again, this petition is about standing up to hate in all its forms. Nothing else. The people that are on these pages that we are...

I am a biologist. I have studied animal behavior as well as genetics. I am not referring to dominance behavior. I am referring to homosexual sex. We have found the epi-marks that genetically pass homosexuality from parent to child. You can think whatever you want about homosexuality, it is your freedom to remain ignorant to the science if you choose. I'll say it again, this petition is about standing up to hate in all its forms. Nothing else. The people that are on these pages that we are trying to remove are sociopaths and in many instances psychopaths. Where, exactly, am I promoting a lifestyle? I happen to be an atheist, yet I mention religion in my petition. Again, I think you maybe need to reread the petition. You say you would stand up for a person, but not the life choice- then you shouldn't have any issue whatsoever with this petition.

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

I'm sure our great halls of liberal education have schooled you well, I however have zero faith in mankind's feeble attempts at trying to disprove the existence of a creator. You have faith in man's intelligence and I have faith in God who created his intelligence. I am not ignorant of what you call science, I'm well aware of the agenda behind much of it, I just believe in the conclusions of christian scientists, which of course is ignored by the overwhelming majority of atheistic, liberal...

I'm sure our great halls of liberal education have schooled you well, I however have zero faith in mankind's feeble attempts at trying to disprove the existence of a creator. You have faith in man's intelligence and I have faith in God who created his intelligence. I am not ignorant of what you call science, I'm well aware of the agenda behind much of it, I just believe in the conclusions of christian scientists, which of course is ignored by the overwhelming majority of atheistic, liberal college professors. It's no wonder you believe as you do. And I still do not see why I should stand up for anyone based on what sin they indulge in, in their lives. I would stand up for almost anyone as a person but not in defense based on their sexual sin, if you can't understand that, guess we're at a dead end.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Christian scientists? You say that as if there is a group of them in a lab somewhere being denied funding and access to publication in journals. Many, in fact the majority, of my colleagues are Christians. And I went to a private Presbyterian college that taught religion, as well as science. They don't have to oppose one another. I know of literally no legitimate scientists that are trying to disprove God. Science is about controlled, reproducible experiments. Anything philosophical,...

Christian scientists? You say that as if there is a group of them in a lab somewhere being denied funding and access to publication in journals. Many, in fact the majority, of my colleagues are Christians. And I went to a private Presbyterian college that taught religion, as well as science. They don't have to oppose one another. I know of literally no legitimate scientists that are trying to disprove God. Science is about controlled, reproducible experiments. Anything philosophical, mystical, or religious is by nature excluded from being able to be proven or disproven by science. One of the most important lessons that a scientist learns in their education is the LIMITS of science and human intelligence. Not one of us pretends to have all the answers. It sounds like you have had a bad experience somewhere, and that is unfortunate because science shouldn't be the enemy of religion. Many of our greatest scientists believed they went hand in hand. My own personal beliefs on religion were formed at a very young age and are completely separate from my professional work.

As far as the "agenda" behind science- you are watching way too much media b.s. Are scientists human? Yes. Can they make mistakes? Of course. But there is no other field that holds itself to a higher standard of integrity or has more checks and balances in place than science. That is why we have peer-reviewed journals. So a team of highly qualified, diverse, scientists can double check and make sure that the science being submitted isn't biased or inaccurate. It is extremely difficult to get research published because it is held to such rigorous standards. Now are these methods 100% perfect? No, but they are the best we've come up with, and I challenge you to find any other professional field that is held to that level of care and scrutiny. And the scientists that DO have agendas, and DO receive biased funding (and they happen on both sides, it is certainly not just liberals) are rarely able to publish due to this fact.

Having said all that, I still feel as if there is a communication barrier here. I think we are actually saying the same thing, just coming at it from completely different sides. Again I will state, I am talking about standing up against people being bullied and ridiculed for who they are or what they believe. I would stand up for you if someone were bullying you even though we clearly have very different belief systems. In fact, no where have I even stated my own personal views on homosexuality, you assumed them. And you did assume them correctly, but I never stated them as they are irrelevant to the point of this petition. I find people who abuse and torture animals to be ugly, abhorrent people. I also don't like when those same individuals abuse a group of people for whatever reason they find to do so. I don't have to agree with a person's beliefs to believe they shouldn't be harassed. Again, that is why I mention the Native American's religious views. I do not share them, but can appreciate how devastating it is to them to see their religious symbols treated in a horrific manner. It is all about decency. Decency to each other and decency to the creatures we share this Earth with.

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Thanks Sharon, you made me chuckle. You and I could go round and round and never make headway, because I certainly don't believe you have the right information, and you do not believe that I do. Science as a whole will never prove an absolute concerning God, that is why salvation is faith based, but is also why it will never prove evolution, of the two "possibilities" a Creator is much more feasible than trying to make a man out of, well, nothing. As far as your personal beliefs not having...

Thanks Sharon, you made me chuckle. You and I could go round and round and never make headway, because I certainly don't believe you have the right information, and you do not believe that I do. Science as a whole will never prove an absolute concerning God, that is why salvation is faith based, but is also why it will never prove evolution, of the two "possibilities" a Creator is much more feasible than trying to make a man out of, well, nothing. As far as your personal beliefs not having anything to do with your professional work, that's ludicrous to assert, every moment of our lives, every thought and every understanding we adhere to is sifted through our personal belief system, to deny that is not very honest and I believe makes an honest debate impossible. But back to the original disagreement, I do not see any difference between my refusal to defend homosexuals any more than I'd defend adulterers based on their choice in life, I did not bring up their sexual preferences in the petition and I don't think it needed to be . There are a lot of defenseless beings that are being bullied, indeed killed and I think their cause is much more sympathetic than folks who choose a life contrary to Gods design. I do agree with you concerning animals however. I believe we have an obligation to care for them and to treat them humanely and I believe this is Gods will. He never even meant that we would be meat eaters, but because his perfect will for us was lost through disobedience, we started killing them after the flood. But God is a humane and loving creator, so this practice will end when he establishes his new Heaven. And for my own credentials,( hahaha) I am one of those people who chase a dog down a freeway to keep it from being killed. I live trap cats that need a home. I hate fur trapping and believe it needs to be outlawed, (why in this day and age it is still legal is beyond comprehension) I also think spaying and neutering should be law for all pets. I dodge traffic to help turtles cross roads and I refuse to "dispatch" or relocate preditors ie: bobcats, coyotes etc. that live or "trespass" on our land, because indeed it's their land too. I do not however equate animal rights to human rights, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be protected and treated with the utmost compassion and respect. I do believe we are at an impasse Ms. Gray, Gods best to you and I hope I didn't ruffle your feathers too much :)

Kirk Slaughter
Kirk Slaughter
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Go home homophobe, you're drunk.

Gina Cracchiolo
Gina Cracchiolo

Remove this page. It is offensive to everyone.

Paulo Fogliano
Paulo Fogliano
  • Gina Cracchiolo

you right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yari De Leon
Yari De Leon
  • Gina Cracchiolo

Wow are you guys all blind?? By deleting these pages you are all just as cruel as the ppl torturing them, by looking the other way and doing nothing to help theses animals. Instead of deleting the pages you should get more involved on how to stop theses fuckers from harming theses innocennt creatures. How about do something to help save the animals. I actually disagree the pages should be kept up so the world see's what's truly going on! Period! If you care get involved don't turn your backs!!!!

Colin Wright
Colin Wright
  • Gina Cracchiolo

It would be helpful if you could suggest a specific action to take. Most of the people trying to get these pages taken down probably ARE doing other things to help animals. For my own part, I work every day rescuing cats and other animals. What do you suggest I do to help the animals that are being depicted on these horrible facebook pages?

Martha Estela Fernandez
Martha Estela Fernandez
  • Gina Cracchiolo

What i suggest is to KEEP ON DENOUNCING THOSE ATTROCITIES by making people actually see the way animals are tortured...every single day in the most repulsive way...that´s what I suggest...

Merley Morgan
Merley Morgan
  • Gina Cracchiolo

What I think is that Martha and Yari actually dig it.

Gina Cracchiolo
Gina Cracchiolo
  • Gina Cracchiolo

This kind of stuff should be stopped simply because not only is it an endangerment to the animals but also the human race. If people keep breaking the laws of nature, bad stuff will happen and already is happening. The only way for this to end is for a cataclysmic occurrence on the planet to clean out the human race and their evil ways.

Chris J. Britt
Chris J. Britt

Sharon Gray,

While I support your idea & petition, I cannot sign it... If I did, I would be throwing the First Amendment out the window. Hell, if that were the case, I would create a petition to ban you and your groups views/opinions/speech. The protection of the First Amendment goes both ways, right?

The First Amendment protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the...

Sharon Gray,

While I support your idea & petition, I cannot sign it... If I did, I would be throwing the First Amendment out the window. Hell, if that were the case, I would create a petition to ban you and your groups views/opinions/speech. The protection of the First Amendment goes both ways, right?

The First Amendment protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances...your petition is not sent in care of the US Government & only wishes to privately sensor the internet and/or Facebook.

The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government.

Despite popular misunderstanding the right to freedom of the press guaranteed by the first amendment is not very different from the right to freedom of speech. It allows an individual to express themselves through publication and dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression. It does not afford members of the media any special rights or privileges not afforded to citizens in general.

So the same amendment not only protects those writing about hunting animals, or specifically wolves, is the same amendment that protects your ability to protest and petition against it. It does not protect nor condone your movement to censor their speech, ideas, or beliefs.

I cannot see how their information would even be considered obscene, which would be a legitimate concern to abate the First Amendment protection. In one of the more famous First Amendment cases, Roth v. United States, there must be a clear and present danger to the public or cause/promote antisocial conduct:

"The protection given speech and press was fashioned to assure unfettered interchange of ideas for the bringing about of political and social changes desired by the people . . . . All ideas having even the slightest redeeming social importance—unorthodox ideas, controversial ideas, even ideas hateful to the prevailing climate of opinion—have the full protection of the guarantees, unless excluded because they encroach upon the limited area of more important interests. But implicit in the history of the First Amendment is the rejection of obscenity as utterly without redeeming social importance."

Similar instances can be found in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire as an example.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too, Sharon Gray...

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Chris J. Britt

You would be correct if this were a situation OTHER THAN a social networking site, which happens to have content standards of which include graphic violence, hate speech, and prejudiced speech. Did you take a look at the screen shots on this petition? It doesn't get much more antisocial. And this has far less to do with silencing their speech than it does stopping the tendency they have to escalate their violent acts and "one-up" each other. It's the "group think" herd mentality. I really...

You would be correct if this were a situation OTHER THAN a social networking site, which happens to have content standards of which include graphic violence, hate speech, and prejudiced speech. Did you take a look at the screen shots on this petition? It doesn't get much more antisocial. And this has far less to do with silencing their speech than it does stopping the tendency they have to escalate their violent acts and "one-up" each other. It's the "group think" herd mentality. I really couldn't care less what they say, it is what they do because of having these sites to gather and promote their agenda. People keep wanting to make this a first amendment issue, and it just isn't. If they were conversing in a bar, or through email, or nearly any other form than facebook, you may have a case. However, facebook decided for itself (as it is allowed to do) to have content standards. The point of this petition is to get facebook to recognize animal cruelty the same way it recognizes all other graphic violence. And please note, these are not "hunting" pictures. These are torture pages. Most hunting groups support this petition because these select few pages do not represent the beliefs of most hunters. If facebook can take down pictures of women breast feeding, they can surely take down pages dedicated to torture and violence towards animals. Again, this isn't about what they say, but what actions their words inspire in each other and making it more difficult for them to get together and perpetuate these behaviors.

Lynne Neville
Lynne Neville
  • Chris J. Britt

What the hell are people thinking of. What about the rights and feelings of animals. Animals don't have voices that can speak up about the horrific torture these (I cannot call them humans because they arn't), things do to animals. What does the First Amendment have to do with torture of any creature - BLOODY NOTHING. I hope you get the page shut down Sharon I am appalled by some peoples opinions about this awful thing. How would they feel if it was their own pet or maybe these so called people think it ok to torture anything.

Diana Robinson
Diana Robinson
  • Chris J. Britt

I don't think acts of cruelty toward animals should be protected by the first amendment, they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. To say that people should be protected under the first amendment to post about their committing acts of cruelty is like saying someone should be able to torture a person and then post pictures and brag about it. Someone is being genuinely harmed, and the harm should not be rewarded.

Marlene Middleton Blackburn

Again. No offense to any people who support this particular cause. @ Sharon Gray; I did look at every photo. Still... Homophobic? Racism? Handicapped?

Marlene Middleton Blackburn
Marlene Middleton Blackburn
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

Fyi; not justifing/ making excuses or strongly disagreeing... in 1969 when I was 12, I volunteered years for the no-kill SPCA; worked for veterinarian clinics- some supported by PETA ; in 1998 founded and still am Director for the Richmond Ferret Rescue League... our no-kill ferret shelter has six locations; all of these ferrets are housed in our homes. Most are not caged; they have their own rooms; luckily we have terrific veterinarians. Unwarranted killing of any animal... Especially...

Fyi; not justifing/ making excuses or strongly disagreeing... in 1969 when I was 12, I volunteered years for the no-kill SPCA; worked for veterinarian clinics- some supported by PETA ; in 1998 founded and still am Director for the Richmond Ferret Rescue League... our no-kill ferret shelter has six locations; all of these ferrets are housed in our homes. Most are not caged; they have their own rooms; luckily we have terrific veterinarians. Unwarranted killing of any animal... Especially cruelty... is way beyond horrendous. I am a vegetarian as well; no leather in my home. No offense once again. Please take a look at ALL abuse... of all types whether it be children... elderly...war...

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

The pictures of Obama in black face are racist. The photo of the handicapped child making fun of his disability is prejudiced towards disabled people. If you read the comments (and there are many more on the sites that I didn't take screenshots of) they say incredibly homophobic and misogynistic things. I agree, I am against abuse of all kinds. That is why, even though this petition is primarily aimed at the animal torture, I mentioned the other hate on the pages. These people are sick in many ways.

Marlene Middleton Blackburn
Marlene Middleton Blackburn
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

No comment except I stand by my opinion.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Marlene Middleton Blackburn

That is your right. Thank you for what you do for the ferrets, by the way.

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