Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi

I would of signed if this petition wasn't extending the truth... racist, homophobic, and prejudice? I don't know the extent on these websites for I don't care to read them, but I do not see how wolf hunting is any of them three? This petition may equally be just as offending as the websites its trying to ban with comments like those. If you want my sign either back up your acquisitions or delete them..

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Stephen Girardi

Take a look at the screen shots on the petition. They are all from these sites. I exaggerated nothing.

Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi
  • Stephen Girardi

i looked at the pics and the website itself, it seems like more of a wolf killing site than a torturing site. I do know that some states wolves are bad with killing their livestock. Which is kind of a catch 22 because they are only acting out in their own instincts but people in those areas rely on their livestock to live and eat. Livestock are trapped into a fence areas and wolves are used to fleeing animals. Anyhow good luck with your petition

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Stephen Girardi

You don't consider clubbing, running over repeatedly with a snowmobile, strangling, letting a suffering, bleeding animal die a slow painful death while you watch and laugh to be torture? I guess we have different definitions. The ranchers are reimbursed for livestock deaths caused by wolves. A lot of the problems between wolves and livestock are actually on public lands WITHOUT fences. Fences would help the situation. Thank you for taking the time to look, though. I respect people who try to...

You don't consider clubbing, running over repeatedly with a snowmobile, strangling, letting a suffering, bleeding animal die a slow painful death while you watch and laugh to be torture? I guess we have different definitions. The ranchers are reimbursed for livestock deaths caused by wolves. A lot of the problems between wolves and livestock are actually on public lands WITHOUT fences. Fences would help the situation. Thank you for taking the time to look, though. I respect people who try to educate themselves rather than taking anything at face value.

Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi
  • Stephen Girardi

No I do find all that to be torture, but I looked for stuff containing gathering invites or events set up to do such things which I didn't it appears to be any just a page of 200 immature people. I think instead of petitioning some immature page the real action should be against the torturing via assemblies, demanding laws and so fourth. Blocking that page will do nothing more or less in helping wolves, Not that it really matters but from what I researched on wolves is that with livestock...

No I do find all that to be torture, but I looked for stuff containing gathering invites or events set up to do such things which I didn't it appears to be any just a page of 200 immature people. I think instead of petitioning some immature page the real action should be against the torturing via assemblies, demanding laws and so fourth. Blocking that page will do nothing more or less in helping wolves, Not that it really matters but from what I researched on wolves is that with livestock being in fenced and kinda just standing near the kill the livestock are very prone to being attacked and killed as well.

Stephen Girardi
Stephen Girardi
  • Stephen Girardi

But if you do start a law petition I'll be glad to throw my signature on and pass it around.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Stephen Girardi

Thanks Stephen, that's the next step. This petition is to get the attention of the media. Without that, the politicians won't listen. I'll let you know.

Glen Bishop
Glen Bishop

Love our animals and do the right thing .When we stop being cruel to nature and ourselves we will then be able to achieve the love and peace and great advancement on this planet .How hard can it be it is simply a choice .Just do it

Gabrielle Proulx

IMA SENSITVE PERSON AND I DONT FELL LIKE GOING ON FACEBOOK CAUSE OFTEN I SEE SAD PICTURE

Evan Sidener
Evan Sidener

I can only agree with the second point of this petition. The 3rd point is not valid because only those who have made multiple accounts should be punished not everyone who uses the page. While I do not believe in the reckless killing of wolves I do believe in the freedom of speech. Also I have visited one of their pages and while a lot of the page is devoted to hating wolves they have informative stuff as well like videos on how to trap wolves. Your petition is simply an attempt to silence...

I can only agree with the second point of this petition. The 3rd point is not valid because only those who have made multiple accounts should be punished not everyone who uses the page. While I do not believe in the reckless killing of wolves I do believe in the freedom of speech. Also I have visited one of their pages and while a lot of the page is devoted to hating wolves they have informative stuff as well like videos on how to trap wolves. Your petition is simply an attempt to silence those who have a different opinion then you. Also the whole Native American racism is bullshit you used to get facebook to remove their pages. I found no comments racist towards Native Americans on the page which leads me to believe you are saying it is racist towards Native Americans to kill wolves which is simply not true. This whole petition is an attempt to silence those who you disagree with you. You disgust me.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Evan Sidener

Look at the screen shots on this petition. They certainly are racist against Native Americans, and many others. And I said their actions are OFFENSIVE to many Native American tribes who are trying to protect the wolves that live on their land, that they consider to be brothers. This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech has its limits, and one of them is torture. When these behaviors are posted on a public forum with content standards, they are no longer protected under the blanket...

Look at the screen shots on this petition. They certainly are racist against Native Americans, and many others. And I said their actions are OFFENSIVE to many Native American tribes who are trying to protect the wolves that live on their land, that they consider to be brothers. This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech has its limits, and one of them is torture. When these behaviors are posted on a public forum with content standards, they are no longer protected under the blanket of free speech. And there are many other "informative" sites where you can learn about trapping and hunting that don't promote torture and cruelty.

Evan Sidener
Evan Sidener
  • Evan Sidener

commenting about torture on a social networking site isn't torture. So free speech still applies here. If you do not like what they say don't read it. Instead make a save the wolves page instead of attacking someone for having a different point of view.

Lee Nager
Lee Nager

I rescued my dog Oscar that was living on a 6 lane freeway in China constantly dodging the Dog Butchers! Sick and Barbaric.

Melindi Charle
Melindi Charle

TO THESE AWFULL PEOPLE YOU ARE NOT RIGHT IN YOURE MINDS!! THERE IS SOMETHING VERY BAD AND EVIL LURKING IN YOURE SOULS!! TO THINK ITS FUN TO TORTURE A WOLF !! SHAME AND DISGUST ON YOU !THE WHOLE WORLD THINKS YOU ARE RUBBISH !!MELINDI

Clifford R Huntley
Clifford R Huntley

I want to start posting these ungodly pictures on my page does anyone know the link where I can go and copy them? Please I want to show them and make people sick. I used to save and raise wolves. This is in human. Wolves are the closest animal to humans when it comes to there social behavior and family behavior. One thing I always new was my little children who are now grown were never safer alone as long as my wolf pack was with them. They would die before they would let anyone harm my...

I want to start posting these ungodly pictures on my page does anyone know the link where I can go and copy them? Please I want to show them and make people sick. I used to save and raise wolves. This is in human. Wolves are the closest animal to humans when it comes to there social behavior and family behavior. One thing I always new was my little children who are now grown were never safer alone as long as my wolf pack was with them. They would die before they would let anyone harm my kids. I watched it many times when a person they did not know tried to walk up to my kids they would all run and get between my kids and the person and the sound that came out of them was only one warning, don't take another step closer. My Alphas thought my kids were there kids, heck I could not even raise my voice at the kids if they were in the house they would even jump in between me and the kids and look up at me as if to say Not on my watch dad. This has to stop. I feel as if they are killing my kids.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Clifford R Huntley

Clifford, I sent you a message.

Theresa Reid-Davies
Theresa Reid-Davies
  • Clifford R Huntley

may the blessings of the Great Spirit be with you Clifford

Mo Pigeon
Mo Pigeon
  • Clifford R Huntley

Hi Clifford, I am a Canadian writer and in my historical fiction book coming out in 2014 I have a whole chapter on a 'two-legged's" awed interaction with a wolf. It is a survival historical fiction about an Ojibwe family that spans 4 generations and begins in The Arctic Circle which I've travelled extensively. I lived in The Yukon Territory and travelled all through The Yukon and Alaska in summer, autumn and winter. I saw many wolves and they are truly our close mammal 'relatives'...noble...

Hi Clifford, I am a Canadian writer and in my historical fiction book coming out in 2014 I have a whole chapter on a 'two-legged's" awed interaction with a wolf. It is a survival historical fiction about an Ojibwe family that spans 4 generations and begins in The Arctic Circle which I've travelled extensively. I lived in The Yukon Territory and travelled all through The Yukon and Alaska in summer, autumn and winter. I saw many wolves and they are truly our close mammal 'relatives'...noble creatures who have much to teach us, if only we'd recognize their innate nobility, loyalty, majesty, intelligence, and compassion. They are curious, playful, protective and absolutely incredibly beautiful. I was raised not to fear wolves, by my Ojibwe father, and my Celtic mother...and I have had a lifelong deep respect for these teachers. I agree with you completely and was deeply moved by your post. Thank-you for sharing "how wolves have been with your children...their kids and cubs. I've long been signing petitions and trying to raise awareness in protection for wolves, and in fact all living creatures. Best to you.

Ange Allen Rosett
Ange Allen Rosett
  • Clifford R Huntley

I'm not even going to look at any of the torture pictures because I know I won't be able to take it. Just the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach. I will sign the petition. I have Indian in my blood on both sides of my family so this grieves my soul.

Margot Mistery
Margot Mistery

Animal joy killing should never be allowed anywhere and for any reason.

Eleanor Giles
Eleanor Giles
  • Margot Mistery

signed and shared

Klaus Ehlers
Klaus Ehlers
  • Margot Mistery

Not only animal joy killing, - any kind of animal killing should be stopped, - go veggie!

Mary Spilios
Mary Spilios
  • Margot Mistery

I agree with you and others...animal killing is awul. we have deer crossing signs, speed limits but people still find joy in hitting deer as they cross the street and tie them to the hood of their car for display

Tammie Gill
Tammie Gill
  • Margot Mistery

Klaus Ehlers What will you be saying when the population is out of hand and they come into your yard and kill your pets? Or better yet, humans are the most tasty dish of all. Wildlife management is where the problem is. And the petitions like this that make it okay for wildlife to over grow in population instead of letting nature take its course. This should be based on the actions of one man and those like him, the minority, and not judged as what the majority do that is humane and merciful.

Tammie Gill
Tammie Gill
  • Margot Mistery

Mary Sue Spilios Actually deer get in the middle of the road and when the lights shine on them, they freeze. And by then it is too late to avoid them. A minority enjoy hitting deer, especially with the rise of auto insurance and those same companies try everything they can to not pay for the damage a large animal, like a deer does to a car. Cars don't stop on a dime. And those who brag about hitting one should be lashed for not being more watchful when they know there are deer in the...

Mary Sue Spilios Actually deer get in the middle of the road and when the lights shine on them, they freeze. And by then it is too late to avoid them. A minority enjoy hitting deer, especially with the rise of auto insurance and those same companies try everything they can to not pay for the damage a large animal, like a deer does to a car. Cars don't stop on a dime. And those who brag about hitting one should be lashed for not being more watchful when they know there are deer in the area. Then again some of those people have food for the winter and won't starve.

Mike Cannon
Mike Cannon
  • Margot Mistery

Seriously???

Mo Pigeon
Mo Pigeon
  • Margot Mistery

Lets start calling it what it is "sadistic murder". And yes I agree whole-heartedly...it should never be allowed anywhere, by anyone.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Margot Mistery

Misty Fay, I have lived in the rockies in wolf territory. You know what I did when a wolf was in my back yard? I stayed inside for a few minutes until it was gone. NOT A BIG DEAL. And certainly not life and death. More people are killed by vending machines every year than wolves. It's a fact. Look it up.

Nanette Donithan
Nanette Donithan
  • Margot Mistery

Really?... u think people r finding joy in hitting deer with their cars?...dummy...wolves are at epidemic levels and need to be hunted to control populations so they don't suffer...the hunt and harvest of meat and fur is a time honored tradition...

Jeffrey Quillinan
Jeffrey Quillinan

It is not only offensive to Native Americans, it is offensive to any sane rational person regardless of race, culture, ethnicity or religious belief. As an Asatruar, I am very deeply offended and saddened by this terrible news. I never knew this type of thing went on with the wolves and I have been supporting Defenders of Wildlife for years. I am shocked and disgusted by these wolf killers and Facebook should take down their vile pages.

Lyndsay Norton
Lyndsay Norton
  • Jeffrey Quillinan

Well said, Jeffrey (:

Caroline Halden
Caroline Halden
  • Jeffrey Quillinan

Totally agree , but are we as people challenging facebook enough ?

Brucie Ridgeback
Brucie Ridgeback
  • Jeffrey Quillinan

Are you sure it was them... A great deal of the Colville land is not actually owned by the tribes.. Although it is their goal to one day own all of it.......

Michael Girvin
Michael Girvin
  • Jeffrey Quillinan

Yes Caroline we are enough it is working

Kathy Quinn
Kathy Quinn
  • Jeffrey Quillinan

Misty Fay - could you please focus on the Wolf and not be so petty as to go after Jeffrey?!

Mo Pigeon
Mo Pigeon
  • Jeffrey Quillinan

Absolutely Jeffrey! I am Ojibwe/Celtic....this is deeply scarring and offensive to any living being with even a peck left of undulled conscience.

Rita Lovelace
Rita Lovelace
  • Jeffrey Quillinan

I watched the Inuit kill Muscox and Caraboo. When they killed these animals, they used every part of the body!

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey

After reading your total post I am regretful I signed this petition. In true political fashion you include issues that have ZERO to do with the main topic of offence "animal cruelty". PLEASE inform me what does homosexuality have to do with this particular petition? IF you want to be successful in stopping the wolf page issue or any other issue, stop playing politics, that belongs in Washington, we know to expect it there( unfortunately). I will not again sign one of your petitions, no...

After reading your total post I am regretful I signed this petition. In true political fashion you include issues that have ZERO to do with the main topic of offence "animal cruelty". PLEASE inform me what does homosexuality have to do with this particular petition? IF you want to be successful in stopping the wolf page issue or any other issue, stop playing politics, that belongs in Washington, we know to expect it there( unfortunately). I will not again sign one of your petitions, no matter how noble the supposed cause, I'll find another one that doesn't try and manipulate morals for all of us.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

The petition is about removing the pages from facebook. In order to do that, unfortunately, it IS political. Facebook does not have any specific mention of animals in their community standards. They do mention religions, races, sexual orientation, etc. In order to get fb to remove the page, we must appeal to the rules they have in place. And I also felt it relevant to point out that these people not only hurt animals, but are harmful to most people as well. There is no manipulation, it is...

The petition is about removing the pages from facebook. In order to do that, unfortunately, it IS political. Facebook does not have any specific mention of animals in their community standards. They do mention religions, races, sexual orientation, etc. In order to get fb to remove the page, we must appeal to the rules they have in place. And I also felt it relevant to point out that these people not only hurt animals, but are harmful to most people as well. There is no manipulation, it is clearly stated. I assume most people read the petition before signing it. I find it incredibly telling that you would sign a petition about animal rights but are then offended when it also stands up for the rights of people...

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Oh make no mistake I am all for the rights of people, just not for the rights of something I find morally offensive and still I argue the point that sexual preference has nothing to do with the cause you wanted to petition. I did not read the whole of your argument as I had no reason to feel I needed to, you proved me wrong and from now on I will not just take things at face value, this is just a social community , not a political arena. And if you want to make a difference then I suggest...

Oh make no mistake I am all for the rights of people, just not for the rights of something I find morally offensive and still I argue the point that sexual preference has nothing to do with the cause you wanted to petition. I did not read the whole of your argument as I had no reason to feel I needed to, you proved me wrong and from now on I will not just take things at face value, this is just a social community , not a political arena. And if you want to make a difference then I suggest you ask them to change their community standards that way you don't have to sneak through the backdoor to get what you want. And what is so "telling" about my love of animals and my refusal to give a nod to homosexuality? Sorry I'm not politically correct that way :) I've spent too much time on this. Have a great day.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Then you are not for the rights of all people. This petition has nothing to do with attempting to make gay marriage legal, or any other political issue that homosexuals contend with. It is about torture and bullying. If you looked at the screenshots, these people are not commenting on their moral beliefs. They are harassing and bullying people -not just gay people- black people, women, mentally disabled people, etc. Surely you are opposed to bullying? I think you read the one buzzword...

Then you are not for the rights of all people. This petition has nothing to do with attempting to make gay marriage legal, or any other political issue that homosexuals contend with. It is about torture and bullying. If you looked at the screenshots, these people are not commenting on their moral beliefs. They are harassing and bullying people -not just gay people- black people, women, mentally disabled people, etc. Surely you are opposed to bullying? I think you read the one buzzword "homosexual" and let your bigotry run away with your reasoning abilities. Might I also add that nearly 300,000 people have signed this petition and not one of them have taken issue with homosexuals being mentioned. A handful have disagreed with arguing for the religious beliefs of Native Americans. There are MANY reasons to remove these hate pages. Make no mistake about it, everything they put out there, whether it be towards animals or people, is HATE. And THAT is what has no place on a social community.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

I should also point out that homosexual behavior has been observed in wolves, and many, many other animal species, as well. If I were you I might find it a little difficult to reconcile my "moral" stance on homosexuality with my love of animals, and desire to stand up for one but not the other...

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

That is absurd for you to say I am not for the rights of all people, based on the fact I will not buy into the falsehood that homosexuality is a natural trait for any living being. I have the right to choose my own belief system and I will not equate a chosen lifestyle with the color of someones skin or mental abilities, that's ridiculous. And I have never stood aside for bullying, because I disagree with your promotion of a lifestyle you throw out the buzzword bigot, where did I say it was...

That is absurd for you to say I am not for the rights of all people, based on the fact I will not buy into the falsehood that homosexuality is a natural trait for any living being. I have the right to choose my own belief system and I will not equate a chosen lifestyle with the color of someones skin or mental abilities, that's ridiculous. And I have never stood aside for bullying, because I disagree with your promotion of a lifestyle you throw out the buzzword bigot, where did I say it was ok to bully anyone? Please point that out, if you are going to make accusations like that, back it up. And as far as animals being homosexuals, it's well known that animals will mock mount another weaker animal to dominate, also why a female will also mount even though there is obviously no sex involved, but you go on believing what you want, it's your right to have an affinity for whatever you choose. Personally I would stand up for a homosexual, for the person NOT the life choice. And as far as these people that have these pages filled with hate they need to be kicked off of FB, I have NO sympathies for their plight.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

I am a biologist. I have studied animal behavior as well as genetics. I am not referring to dominance behavior. I am referring to homosexual sex. We have found the epi-marks that genetically pass homosexuality from parent to child. You can think whatever you want about homosexuality, it is your freedom to remain ignorant to the science if you choose. I'll say it again, this petition is about standing up to hate in all its forms. Nothing else. The people that are on these pages that we are...

I am a biologist. I have studied animal behavior as well as genetics. I am not referring to dominance behavior. I am referring to homosexual sex. We have found the epi-marks that genetically pass homosexuality from parent to child. You can think whatever you want about homosexuality, it is your freedom to remain ignorant to the science if you choose. I'll say it again, this petition is about standing up to hate in all its forms. Nothing else. The people that are on these pages that we are trying to remove are sociopaths and in many instances psychopaths. Where, exactly, am I promoting a lifestyle? I happen to be an atheist, yet I mention religion in my petition. Again, I think you maybe need to reread the petition. You say you would stand up for a person, but not the life choice- then you shouldn't have any issue whatsoever with this petition.

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

I'm sure our great halls of liberal education have schooled you well, I however have zero faith in mankind's feeble attempts at trying to disprove the existence of a creator. You have faith in man's intelligence and I have faith in God who created his intelligence. I am not ignorant of what you call science, I'm well aware of the agenda behind much of it, I just believe in the conclusions of christian scientists, which of course is ignored by the overwhelming majority of atheistic, liberal...

I'm sure our great halls of liberal education have schooled you well, I however have zero faith in mankind's feeble attempts at trying to disprove the existence of a creator. You have faith in man's intelligence and I have faith in God who created his intelligence. I am not ignorant of what you call science, I'm well aware of the agenda behind much of it, I just believe in the conclusions of christian scientists, which of course is ignored by the overwhelming majority of atheistic, liberal college professors. It's no wonder you believe as you do. And I still do not see why I should stand up for anyone based on what sin they indulge in, in their lives. I would stand up for almost anyone as a person but not in defense based on their sexual sin, if you can't understand that, guess we're at a dead end.

Sharon Gray
Sharon Gray
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Christian scientists? You say that as if there is a group of them in a lab somewhere being denied funding and access to publication in journals. Many, in fact the majority, of my colleagues are Christians. And I went to a private Presbyterian college that taught religion, as well as science. They don't have to oppose one another. I know of literally no legitimate scientists that are trying to disprove God. Science is about controlled, reproducible experiments. Anything philosophical,...

Christian scientists? You say that as if there is a group of them in a lab somewhere being denied funding and access to publication in journals. Many, in fact the majority, of my colleagues are Christians. And I went to a private Presbyterian college that taught religion, as well as science. They don't have to oppose one another. I know of literally no legitimate scientists that are trying to disprove God. Science is about controlled, reproducible experiments. Anything philosophical, mystical, or religious is by nature excluded from being able to be proven or disproven by science. One of the most important lessons that a scientist learns in their education is the LIMITS of science and human intelligence. Not one of us pretends to have all the answers. It sounds like you have had a bad experience somewhere, and that is unfortunate because science shouldn't be the enemy of religion. Many of our greatest scientists believed they went hand in hand. My own personal beliefs on religion were formed at a very young age and are completely separate from my professional work.

As far as the "agenda" behind science- you are watching way too much media b.s. Are scientists human? Yes. Can they make mistakes? Of course. But there is no other field that holds itself to a higher standard of integrity or has more checks and balances in place than science. That is why we have peer-reviewed journals. So a team of highly qualified, diverse, scientists can double check and make sure that the science being submitted isn't biased or inaccurate. It is extremely difficult to get research published because it is held to such rigorous standards. Now are these methods 100% perfect? No, but they are the best we've come up with, and I challenge you to find any other professional field that is held to that level of care and scrutiny. And the scientists that DO have agendas, and DO receive biased funding (and they happen on both sides, it is certainly not just liberals) are rarely able to publish due to this fact.

Having said all that, I still feel as if there is a communication barrier here. I think we are actually saying the same thing, just coming at it from completely different sides. Again I will state, I am talking about standing up against people being bullied and ridiculed for who they are or what they believe. I would stand up for you if someone were bullying you even though we clearly have very different belief systems. In fact, no where have I even stated my own personal views on homosexuality, you assumed them. And you did assume them correctly, but I never stated them as they are irrelevant to the point of this petition. I find people who abuse and torture animals to be ugly, abhorrent people. I also don't like when those same individuals abuse a group of people for whatever reason they find to do so. I don't have to agree with a person's beliefs to believe they shouldn't be harassed. Again, that is why I mention the Native American's religious views. I do not share them, but can appreciate how devastating it is to them to see their religious symbols treated in a horrific manner. It is all about decency. Decency to each other and decency to the creatures we share this Earth with.

Kathy Baird Bussey
Kathy Baird Bussey
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Thanks Sharon, you made me chuckle. You and I could go round and round and never make headway, because I certainly don't believe you have the right information, and you do not believe that I do. Science as a whole will never prove an absolute concerning God, that is why salvation is faith based, but is also why it will never prove evolution, of the two "possibilities" a Creator is much more feasible than trying to make a man out of, well, nothing. As far as your personal beliefs not having...

Thanks Sharon, you made me chuckle. You and I could go round and round and never make headway, because I certainly don't believe you have the right information, and you do not believe that I do. Science as a whole will never prove an absolute concerning God, that is why salvation is faith based, but is also why it will never prove evolution, of the two "possibilities" a Creator is much more feasible than trying to make a man out of, well, nothing. As far as your personal beliefs not having anything to do with your professional work, that's ludicrous to assert, every moment of our lives, every thought and every understanding we adhere to is sifted through our personal belief system, to deny that is not very honest and I believe makes an honest debate impossible. But back to the original disagreement, I do not see any difference between my refusal to defend homosexuals any more than I'd defend adulterers based on their choice in life, I did not bring up their sexual preferences in the petition and I don't think it needed to be . There are a lot of defenseless beings that are being bullied, indeed killed and I think their cause is much more sympathetic than folks who choose a life contrary to Gods design. I do agree with you concerning animals however. I believe we have an obligation to care for them and to treat them humanely and I believe this is Gods will. He never even meant that we would be meat eaters, but because his perfect will for us was lost through disobedience, we started killing them after the flood. But God is a humane and loving creator, so this practice will end when he establishes his new Heaven. And for my own credentials,( hahaha) I am one of those people who chase a dog down a freeway to keep it from being killed. I live trap cats that need a home. I hate fur trapping and believe it needs to be outlawed, (why in this day and age it is still legal is beyond comprehension) I also think spaying and neutering should be law for all pets. I dodge traffic to help turtles cross roads and I refuse to "dispatch" or relocate preditors ie: bobcats, coyotes etc. that live or "trespass" on our land, because indeed it's their land too. I do not however equate animal rights to human rights, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be protected and treated with the utmost compassion and respect. I do believe we are at an impasse Ms. Gray, Gods best to you and I hope I didn't ruffle your feathers too much :)

Kirk Slaughter
Kirk Slaughter
  • Kathy Baird Bussey

Go home homophobe, you're drunk.

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