Richard W Zigler
Richard W Zigler

HEY, HEY, NRA.

Since the beginning of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the PBS Newshour has ended with a segment in which they pay silent tribute to fallen members of the military. In the week following the attack at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, they modified that segment to pay tribute to the victims of that latest massacre.

All those tiny faces.

Can anyone with two brain cells to keep each other warm, no matter how rabidly pro-gun, doubt any longer that this country needs...

HEY, HEY, NRA.

Since the beginning of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the PBS Newshour has ended with a segment in which they pay silent tribute to fallen members of the military. In the week following the attack at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, they modified that segment to pay tribute to the victims of that latest massacre.

All those tiny faces.

Can anyone with two brain cells to keep each other warm, no matter how rabidly pro-gun, doubt any longer that this country needs effective controls on mass-fire weapons? The NRA risks making itself a social and political pariah if it doesn't come out foursquare in favor of banning assault weapons. It eventually will become irrelevant to the discussion, no matter how much money it spreads around to buy or intimidate lawmakers, if it doesn't change its "any gun, every gun" stance. The NRA is like every ideologue in every other area of life: facts are irrelevant; objective reality doesn't matter; only unreasoning commitment to an idea counts.

Screw the nitpicking over "appearance versus function". It is not a mystery which guns need to be removed from American society: no semi-automatic firearm that can hold more than five rounds in the magazine is designed as a tool for hunting. The same for those that allow the shooter to "dial down" the pressure needed to trip the trigger, as the weapon used by the Newtown shooter reportedly did.

Enough of this shit about "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". Why not "if everybody has guns, outlaws will have more guns"? That seems a hell of a lot closer to the mark in this country.

Nobody who is serious about gun control is talking about taking guns away from hunters, or about depriving anyone of the right to keep guns in their homes or on their persons for "self defense". But there have to be limits.

After all, fully automatic weapons were (mostly) banned in this country in the 1930s. The NRA has never mounted a campaign to rescind that ban.

One of the arguments pro-gun advocates advance is that they need to be armed in order to fight off the depredations of a tyrannical government. Fine. Go ahead, big shots. Take on the US Army or a National Guard unit. They'll park a Bradley at the end of the block and turn you into grease spots.

The damage done with assault weapons in this country is inflicted upon schools, shopping malls, churches, movie theaters—and always the victims are defenseless and pose no threat to the shooter. And always the shooters act without warning; no military-style operation for them, no brave frontal assault on a well-fortified, tyrannical shopping mall. Just pull a gun out from under a coat and blast away.

It is time for the NRA, and the obstreperous minority it represents, to shut up. Your guns, and your right to possess and use them, are safe—always have been, always will be—so just shut up.

People of a certain age will recognize the reference in the title of this piece.

Anthoney Grose
Anthoney Grose
  • Richard W Zigler

i replied to this but thought everyone should see it

Richard W Zigler
Richard W Zigler
  • Richard W Zigler

Thanks, Anthoney.

Ron Headlee
Ron Headlee

Judith Arnold, Ron Pippett, don't fall for the false sense of security thinking that your babies will ever be safe by disarming law abiding citizens. They never will be safe from harm, the only chance of being even somewhat secure and safe is by being armed and knowing how to use the tools you have. Teach your babies right from wrong, teach them to work hard, be honest and stay away from welfare lines. Teach them to stay alert and not to obtain a sense of false security. As they get older...

Judith Arnold, Ron Pippett, don't fall for the false sense of security thinking that your babies will ever be safe by disarming law abiding citizens. They never will be safe from harm, the only chance of being even somewhat secure and safe is by being armed and knowing how to use the tools you have. Teach your babies right from wrong, teach them to work hard, be honest and stay away from welfare lines. Teach them to stay alert and not to obtain a sense of false security. As they get older arm your babies and teach them how to use them responsibly and accurately, One armed citizen with a CCW permit could have saved many lives and can do so in the future.

William Griffin
William Griffin
  • Ron Headlee

It was a law abiding citizen who massacred the kids in Sandy Hook and the people in the theatre. The false security is thinking that all these weapons will make u safe. The evidence proves that it only increase crime and make our street, businesses, schools and our homes unsafe.

Ron Headlee
Ron Headlee
  • Ron Headlee

Uh, Hello! Law abiding murderers? Listen to yourself. I need not say anything more.

Lucy Mac Donald
Lucy Mac Donald

to easy to access gun's in america. it has to stop..they certainly need better gun control. it's terrible to know how readily availablethose weapons are.

Marian Terry
Marian Terry
  • Lucy Mac Donald

EVERYTHING THAT CAN KILL IS READILY AVAILABLE GIVE ME A BREAK!

Sean Martin
Sean Martin
  • Lucy Mac Donald

how many weapons do you have in your kitchen???

Neil Wanstall
Neil Wanstall

Its exraordinary that some people would trade human life for a 200 year old
document well past its use bye date

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Neil Wanstall

Exactly, Neil. The wooden-headed gun lovers just don't get it. They will probably buy it pretty soon, but they will never get it. Live by the gun, die by the gun. Owning guns makes you less safe, not more.

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Neil Wanstall

In addition, the constitution was written at a time when the standard weapon was a musket. One would be lucky to get 3 shots off a minute. The founding fathers would be appalled to see the proliferation of military weapons in the hands of semi-illiterate redneck cretins, creating nothing but misery and grief...........and profits for arms dealers and coffin makers. I'm sure that the founders of the constitution would have thought twice about giving Americans the right to bear arms firing 600...

In addition, the constitution was written at a time when the standard weapon was a musket. One would be lucky to get 3 shots off a minute. The founding fathers would be appalled to see the proliferation of military weapons in the hands of semi-illiterate redneck cretins, creating nothing but misery and grief...........and profits for arms dealers and coffin makers. I'm sure that the founders of the constitution would have thought twice about giving Americans the right to bear arms firing 600 rounds a minute. They were more rational and humane than many modern Americans.

Joe Simmons
Joe Simmons

I invite everyone to consider that unless we compromise our Second Amendment right to bear arms, we're smart to focus on what inspires us to want to hurt or to kill another person. Laws don't solve the problems. They only change the paths of fruition of murder in this case. Legislation is a small piece of the solution that we emphasize because we don't know what else to do and we cop out. People kill when love is missing and other reasons, e.g. mental illness. What can we do as individuals...

I invite everyone to consider that unless we compromise our Second Amendment right to bear arms, we're smart to focus on what inspires us to want to hurt or to kill another person. Laws don't solve the problems. They only change the paths of fruition of murder in this case. Legislation is a small piece of the solution that we emphasize because we don't know what else to do and we cop out. People kill when love is missing and other reasons, e.g. mental illness. What can we do as individuals and as groups to rush in the love? Unless we look there, our efforts are silly and futile. Thank you for your partnership in remembering that we are One and Love! ♥

Joe Simmons
Joe Simmons
  • Joe Simmons

Gun acquisitions obtained on the streets are less subject to gun control laws, obviously, e.g., obtaining the tools of gang violence. Therefore, who will be subject to gun control laws? Hint, look at the Second Amendment. It addresses our right to the legal acquisition and ownership of guns. It is necessary to have the right to bear arms in order to be able to quickly form militias to protect ourselves from corrupt States. Remember, government organizations and other legally armed agencies...

Gun acquisitions obtained on the streets are less subject to gun control laws, obviously, e.g., obtaining the tools of gang violence. Therefore, who will be subject to gun control laws? Hint, look at the Second Amendment. It addresses our right to the legal acquisition and ownership of guns. It is necessary to have the right to bear arms in order to be able to quickly form militias to protect ourselves from corrupt States. Remember, government organizations and other legally armed agencies are made up of individual people who might be or might become corrupt against the People. Some of us feel that we must be able to protect ourselves against that. What do you think? ♥

Amanda Marsell
Amanda Marsell
  • Joe Simmons

Very true...there's lack of real love (unconditional love) in this world. Though not on purpose, most of us don't experience it, or even know how to give it. It's one of the most basic human needs.

Virgil Ingram
Virgil Ingram

Mick if guns are ban in England then why do you have gun deaths.?what is the number of people stabbed to death what is the number of home invasions per 1000 maybe I will come live there. But I do like to hunt and fish and target shoot.can you do that over ther e?

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Virgil Ingram

40 gun deaths a year from 60 million population is 40 too many, but be reasonable for heaven's sake. Shotguns are allowed to farmers and landowners (under very strict controls). The majority of gun deaths in the UK are from the use of shotguns and converted starter pistols. Nobody can buy any other other type of gun. Ireland may have some guns used by the IRA terrorists left over, and occasionally these come to the surface. Gangland no doubt smuggles in some weapons but I would rather take...

40 gun deaths a year from 60 million population is 40 too many, but be reasonable for heaven's sake. Shotguns are allowed to farmers and landowners (under very strict controls). The majority of gun deaths in the UK are from the use of shotguns and converted starter pistols. Nobody can buy any other other type of gun. Ireland may have some guns used by the IRA terrorists left over, and occasionally these come to the surface. Gangland no doubt smuggles in some weapons but I would rather take 40 deaths a year instead of the 10,000 in America. You can never get the figure to 0.

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Virgil Ingram

Yes, Virgil, you can fish in the UK. You can hunt (within reason)....game birds in a designated season, deer (ditto), rabbit, rats and hare. Most animals and birds are protected by law. Hunting is very unpopular with most Brits. Target shooting is permitted, but guns have to be locked securely on club premises (never at home). Number of deaths by stabbing are higher than by guns. In 2010 there were 277 knife deaths in England and Wales (one third of them in London). America had around 1,800....

Yes, Virgil, you can fish in the UK. You can hunt (within reason)....game birds in a designated season, deer (ditto), rabbit, rats and hare. Most animals and birds are protected by law. Hunting is very unpopular with most Brits. Target shooting is permitted, but guns have to be locked securely on club premises (never at home). Number of deaths by stabbing are higher than by guns. In 2010 there were 277 knife deaths in England and Wales (one third of them in London). America had around 1,800. So when taking population differences into the equation, the figures are about level in England and wales and in America.

Rob Casale
Rob Casale

It's a good idea, yet people with a criminal record will just pay someone to do it for them. Make it stricter and usually everything gets worse.

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Rob Casale

It didn't get worse in the UK, Rob. 60 million people, less than 40 gun deaths a year with a ban on gun ownership. Compare that to America with guns coming out of your ears.

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Rob Casale

I guess it says a lot about the difference between Brits and Americans. Brits don't need weapons to prove that they are strong, both physically and mentally.

Joan Watson
Joan Watson

how hard can it be for americans to realise guns kill. get it sorted obama.

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Joan Watson

You underestimate how dim Americans are Joan.

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Joan Watson

A nation in which 85% believe in a fictitious god, 50% deny evolution to be the fact that it is, vast numbers believe that owning guns makes you safer (US with gun ownership= illegal gun deaths 37 per million population. UK with a gun ban = 0.7 illegal gun deaths per million population) proves to the rest of the world that America is a pretty stupid country.

Ian Gray
Ian Gray

The right to bear arms was placed in the Constitution at a time when America relied on a civilian militia to defend it. The US now spends more on armaments then the rest of the world put together and is more than capable of defending itself and it also has a militia in the form of the National Guard. The intent of the Founding Fathers was for the fledgling USA to be able to defend itself against foreign invaders. This was achieved long ago when the US achieved military supremacy and there is...

The right to bear arms was placed in the Constitution at a time when America relied on a civilian militia to defend it. The US now spends more on armaments then the rest of the world put together and is more than capable of defending itself and it also has a militia in the form of the National Guard. The intent of the Founding Fathers was for the fledgling USA to be able to defend itself against foreign invaders. This was achieved long ago when the US achieved military supremacy and there is absolutely no reason for any civilian to own an automatic weapon. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, all culturaly similar to the USA, have strict gun controls and have death rates from gun violence a fraction of that of the USA. Guns don't kill people: people WITH guns kill people. So the only way to prevent something like this happening again, is to keep people and guns apart. Any US citizen who genuinely wants to exercise the 'right to bear arms' as originally intended is free to join the military.

Cathie Mutter
Cathie Mutter
  • Ian Gray

I whole heartedly agree with you. But more than likely, from what I & my husband see each day on the TV, approximately 1% of the guns carriers will abide by this. They don't have what it takes for a MAN to join the military. But....what you said is so true.

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Ian Gray

Well said, Ian. 100% spot on.

Wanda Harkins
Wanda Harkins

"Just do it. It's all for love. L.O.V.E."~Michael Jackson

Danielle De Faria Jones
Danielle De Faria Jones
  • Wanda Harkins

Beatles too, All we need is LOVE!

Mick Sargent
Mick Sargent
  • Wanda Harkins

Incidentally, John Lennon was killed by a gun AND religion. The nutter who shot him said that God told him to shoot Lennon. A world without guns and fictional gods would be a far safer place to live.

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