Julia Treehugger
Julia Treehugger

The petition asks for a place in a care home for anyone elderly who can't care for themself.....I ask also for proper care AT THEIR OWN HOME for those who'd rather stay there. Someone turning up just to throw food at you is not at all adequate and makes a care home necessary where it wouldn't be, if someone REALLY looked after their needs at home...

Peter Colin Lippman
Peter Colin Lippman
  • Julia Treehugger

i agree

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Julia Treehugger

You r so right Julia - my mum had carers at home before she became so poorly she needed a residential care home. It was less than ideal. She was lucky that she 'liked' and really got on well with one of her carers - but if that girl was ill or placed elsewhere well then my mum was 'attended' by girls who did not 'care' and did as little as possible within the 1hour paid for. What the residential care home gave my mum was 24hr care and companionship through each and every day. She was lucky...

You r so right Julia - my mum had carers at home before she became so poorly she needed a residential care home. It was less than ideal. She was lucky that she 'liked' and really got on well with one of her carers - but if that girl was ill or placed elsewhere well then my mum was 'attended' by girls who did not 'care' and did as little as possible within the 1hour paid for. What the residential care home gave my mum was 24hr care and companionship through each and every day. She was lucky in that respect - but I have become very aware of the 'abuse' and 'neglect' inflicted on many of our elderly; sometimes by their own family, which for me proves that this is an important area for professional care - the emphasis being on 'care'. We must keep fighting to protect our elderly.

Julia Treehugger
Julia Treehugger
  • Julia Treehugger

I stepped in to replace "carers" who stayed no longer than 5 minutes daily and did no more than nuke a frozen ready meal in the microwave - regardless of what time of day it was, or whether John was hungry, give it to him and then BULLY him to sign the piece of paper to say they'd done an hour's work. When he refused, they would go outside and put a hand on the doorbell (loud, piercing tones) for 5 or 10 minutes and bang on the window making faces at him. various different people were sent,...

I stepped in to replace "carers" who stayed no longer than 5 minutes daily and did no more than nuke a frozen ready meal in the microwave - regardless of what time of day it was, or whether John was hungry, give it to him and then BULLY him to sign the piece of paper to say they'd done an hour's work. When he refused, they would go outside and put a hand on the doorbell (loud, piercing tones) for 5 or 10 minutes and bang on the window making faces at him. various different people were sent, but this sort of behaviour applied to ALL of them. The council official who arranged for me to be engaged instead (and paid for 15 hours a week, even when it was 24/7 when he was terminally ill) said that he, "Seemed to have been unlucky". Seemed to me nothing do with bad luck, but rather, systematic criminal negligence. I am LIVID about this! Having become involved in caring for people, I've been appalled at the contempt, disrespect and exploitation of carers, (and their clients) which, with the low pay, no travelling time or bus fare allowed for, so they are expected to teleport instantly to the next client, goes some way to explaining why such a high proportion of the people working as carers do so because they are unable to get employment in any other area, because they do not speak English or are otherwise unqualified.....My respect and acknowledgement to all caring carers to whom this does not apply....this government is proposing to reform the home-care situation in this country and apply joined-up thinking to it......it certainly NEEDS reforming.....I haven't been favourably impressed by this gov't's reforms so far.....yes; we MUST keep fighting....and caring....

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Julia Treehugger

What a dreadful experience you and John have had. I know from 'others' that these 'bad' happenings are not 'rare'. It makes it more important that we complain and inform Councils and press and make as public as possible the shameful level this country has sunk to in its almost total disregard and cruelty to the elderly. Al we receive from the politicians is 'lip-service' - they are always going to do something, normally costing us the taxpayer money - when really it has to start in schools...

What a dreadful experience you and John have had. I know from 'others' that these 'bad' happenings are not 'rare'. It makes it more important that we complain and inform Councils and press and make as public as possible the shameful level this country has sunk to in its almost total disregard and cruelty to the elderly. Al we receive from the politicians is 'lip-service' - they are always going to do something, normally costing us the taxpayer money - when really it has to start in schools with discipline and caring about others. Properly 'vetting' employees too is important, a better wage too, but most important is an insight into the personality of the would be 'carer'. The best carers seem to be naturally selfless, kind-hearted and sensible folk - why then are councils employing the exact opposite type of person. At interview the 'right' questions and an informal conversation can often give a 'good' view of 'personality'. Of course the interviewer too must be trained appropriately - does not seem to happen anymore. You stand out Julia in your 'protecting' John. We need more people like yourself, ready to 'fight' for what is right. Good carers are out there and are precious to those who need them, and to their families whose circumstances (old-age, poor health, work commitments etc.) does not allow them to do the work of 'caring'. I do go on.....Sorry, so close to my heart, this issue. Thanks for your input and support. Wish you well.

Julia Treehugger
Julia Treehugger
  • Julia Treehugger

Haringey Council engages "care" agencies with whom I was completely unable to get employment, after John died....I DID try.....since then, my circumstances changed, so that I was free to look after my poorly neighbour, Brett, without having to subject myself to all the nonsense; filling out time sheets pretending I've only done 15 hours a week so that I could be paid a peanut and all that.....looking after John had made me aware of the various benefits and services available, so I knew to...

Haringey Council engages "care" agencies with whom I was completely unable to get employment, after John died....I DID try.....since then, my circumstances changed, so that I was free to look after my poorly neighbour, Brett, without having to subject myself to all the nonsense; filling out time sheets pretending I've only done 15 hours a week so that I could be paid a peanut and all that.....looking after John had made me aware of the various benefits and services available, so I knew to apply for them....they ALL require filling out forms and some of them want passport photos....Macmillan were helpful with advice (Brett had cancer)...there is TOO MUCH ADMIN required of people who are gravely ill to cope with......Haringey Council could not organise a party for alcoholics in a beer factory....one day when I arrived, Brett was in a terrible state, "They're going to stop my benefits!" He'd had a phone call he hadn't understood, because he was rather deaf and the caller had an African accent, so I rang them back. His "Personal care budget" had been closed. (This is where my 15 hours pay would have come from, so we weren't claiming it anyway....lots of beaurocracy involved...) The people I spoke to were more concerned about how "racist" we were being, than with the fact that Brett's care budget had been closed on the basis of a phone call he hadn't understood......AAAAARGHHHH!!!

Julia Treehugger
Julia Treehugger
  • Julia Treehugger

The government says it wants to introduce "joined up thinking" to the issue, which WOULD be a good idea, if that means sending someone who can run the household and is informed enough to know what to apply for.... (one of the carers sent to John was asked, by a pal who'd come round to walk the dogs, to change the bed. She was UNABLE TO PUT THE QUILT IN THE COVER! The pal had to do it for her!) Excuse me! I do go on, too!

Julia Treehugger
Julia Treehugger
  • Julia Treehugger

....If the interviewers are to be properly trained to spot a good'un and if the carers are to be trained, including to LISTEN to someone who can hardly speak, being disabled by strokes and are paid for sufficient time to do a good job, then yes, it will cost money and it will cost wages for a supervisor to monitor what they are doing and visit the clients to hear their feedback......society needs to start caring or start paying those who do....might be any of us in need, one day......

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Julia Treehugger

I think money would be well spent on 'better' care for the elderly - I see the MPs have awarded themselves a rise of £20,000 per year, making their salaries £86,000 and of course they still claim 'expenses'. How dare they indulge themselves with the taxpayers money - whilst our elderly have their homes and savings confiscated by govt. to pay care home fees and workers go to charity food stores because once the 'bills' are paid there is very little cash left for food. Outrageous double standards at play.

Julia Treehugger
Julia Treehugger
  • Julia Treehugger

They have no shame and are not to be trusted. BOOOOOOO!!!

Elaine Page
Elaine Page

Hello and welcome to Mary Pilgrim, Lucinda Wakefield, Margaret Strickland, Derek Bond, Anton Brcar and Audrey Duncanson - helping us reach over 32,700 signees. We are a third of our way towards the target of 100,000 - If we can all find 2 more people to sign we will have made it. Well Done for getting this far - but do not weaken, we can do this as a nation easily - everyone must sign. Let us stand together and fight this and other important issues where abuse of power by govt. threatens our Democracy. Sign, Sign, Sign...

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Elaine Page

Over 36,300 people have now signed Care of the Elderly - without bias, petiton - keep it going...

Heather Wilson
Heather Wilson
  • Elaine Page

It is all wrong

Elaine Page
Elaine Page

Hello and welcome to Wendy Malinowski - makes our number 90 (thought we would never make it) Hope u have 200 friends who will join us with this important issue which affects us all - every taxpayer in this country is open to this injustice. Protect your home, your savings and your childrens inheritance SIGN NOW.. Please pass it on to all you know. Thank you.

David Rostron
David Rostron
  • Elaine Page

My Nans still going,100 in july my other nans died recently @99.

Timothy Pugh
Timothy Pugh
  • Elaine Page

sorry to here about the death of ur nan but i hope she was not in pain

Timothy Pugh
Timothy Pugh
  • Elaine Page

and god bless the other nan and family

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Elaine Page

It is a day at a time when our loved ones reach almost 100 yrs. Each day is a blessing if they still have their mobility and reasonably good health. Stay strong David - my life experiences tell me they are always looking out for you.

Maureen McManus
Maureen McManus
  • Elaine Page

David, apparently these days if you want a telegram from the Queen for a 100th birthday, you have to apply for it.

Len Aldis
Len Aldis

In a few months will be 83, and so far in reasonable good health and living at home, but who knows what the coming years will bring. Pensioners are, if they only knew, a very powerful force. Itis time we used that voice, an example...... Both governments allocated £100 Billion on the Trident weapon. Let us all protest at this waste of money being spent on killing people........

John Browne
John Browne
  • Len Aldis

No !!! First we must protect ourselves, then you get to eat.

Steve Clarke
Steve Clarke
  • Len Aldis

How can we protect ourselves ?. We are no longer a major World power, and these Tory pricks are now disbanding the remains of our Army next year when they come out of Afghanistan, then depending upon the TA. Since the rise of Thatcher's policies and the 'Great' has been taken out of Britain, we will never recover from these corporations who have stolen everything that was British. Remember, what goes around, comes around. I predict total chaos and multi-deaths, from starvation and violence,...

How can we protect ourselves ?. We are no longer a major World power, and these Tory pricks are now disbanding the remains of our Army next year when they come out of Afghanistan, then depending upon the TA. Since the rise of Thatcher's policies and the 'Great' has been taken out of Britain, we will never recover from these corporations who have stolen everything that was British. Remember, what goes around, comes around. I predict total chaos and multi-deaths, from starvation and violence, starting within the next twenty years. The UK. is now a very weak country, and the USA and Europe, with China and India, plus all the radical Arab countries are all laughing at us.!!.

Doc Harinarayan Borkataky

I always feel the great misery of a senior citizen who has given all his past to make the children enjoy today to find himself in a tight position , neglected to become a destitute. We the people must come forward to help them , giving shelter and food so that they can live peacefully in their terminal days.

Michelle Healy
Michelle Healy
  • Doc Harinarayan Borkataky

I do not even want t get started on this topic as everything in my past exspiereance of what i seen was wrong and there was no one around that could make a differsnce oe should I say help... I likethis petition if it actually gets looked at no offence to the one doing it, But my name on there for change

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Doc Harinarayan Borkataky

Thank u so much for joining us Michelle. I feel it my duty to 'object' when I see injustice. It may be futile sometimes, yet to not 'try' would be wrong. If only we could unite over these important issues - by sheer numbers we could bring about change for the better. There should be millions of names on this petition, because this issue will affect millions of us one way or another. We have almost 50,000 signatures from amazing people, who care enough about this discrimination and...

Thank u so much for joining us Michelle. I feel it my duty to 'object' when I see injustice. It may be futile sometimes, yet to not 'try' would be wrong. If only we could unite over these important issues - by sheer numbers we could bring about change for the better. There should be millions of names on this petition, because this issue will affect millions of us one way or another. We have almost 50,000 signatures from amazing people, who care enough about this discrimination and injustice to go that extra mile - not only have they signed but they have gotten friends, family, neighbours, work colleagues etc., on board. I will hand deliver this petition to Downing Street - I cannot make David Cameron read it or take notice - but the 'peoples protest' cannot be denied either. I hope to involve the press too - we must wait and see. My one wish is that we had more support from everyone. My mum died on 1st April 2013 - My outrage and this petition was started because it so distressed her to see her savings taken whilst everyone else received free care. What took her and my father a lifetime to put by - was to be taken in care home fees within a 2/3 year period. The upset of it worsened her dementia and therefore her sad demise. I am fighting on for our young people in the hope that their latter years do not witness this inequality and cruel unfair treatment by our govt. too. Thanks again for you support.

Elaine Page
Elaine Page

Hi to all of you and thank you for supporting this fight for justice for British Taxpayer and their families - we have reached a figure of over 20,000 members - WELL DONE, ALL OF YOU. Just an extra push - 5 more people that you can each find, family friends, neigbours, colleagues, members of your gym, clubs anyone - will take our number to 100,000 - and allow this issue to be debated by House of Commons. Time is running out for this petition - Please act now, pass the message on to everyone...

Hi to all of you and thank you for supporting this fight for justice for British Taxpayer and their families - we have reached a figure of over 20,000 members - WELL DONE, ALL OF YOU. Just an extra push - 5 more people that you can each find, family friends, neigbours, colleagues, members of your gym, clubs anyone - will take our number to 100,000 - and allow this issue to be debated by House of Commons. Time is running out for this petition - Please act now, pass the message on to everyone you know - SIGN, SIGN, SIGN....Thank you all - fight back - Good Luck.

Bob Dunford
Bob Dunford
  • Elaine Page

remember when the welfare state started up in 1945.we had hoes for the young married couples with gardens for there children to play in.we had old peoples homes which were free,we had all the local police firemen schools all paid through the rent of council houses.all these are gone the conservatives got rid of them why.we all know why.the British government should look after its people and when they get old its their duty to see they are homed and living in warmth.with hot meals,the...

remember when the welfare state started up in 1945.we had hoes for the young married couples with gardens for there children to play in.we had old peoples homes which were free,we had all the local police firemen schools all paid through the rent of council houses.all these are gone the conservatives got rid of them why.we all know why.the British government should look after its people and when they get old its their duty to see they are homed and living in warmth.with hot meals,the government is not there only to make money.people who are to young to work and are to old to work must be looked after.if you say their children must ;look after them then their would be no cheap labour,for the hospitals.schools,and offices,you would have to put up their wages to look after their fathers and mothers.

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Elaine Page

You are so right Bob -- the govt., that is Whitehall, Parliament, EU and our Councils forget that the money they play around with is our money, hard earned by the taxpayers of this country - every fringe group and every other nation benefits at the expense of the British Taxpayer. Both Labour and this Conservative-LibDem Govt. have performed atrociously - if this was a 'proper job' they would have been sacked. Now they want us to work into our late 60's and at the same time look after our...

You are so right Bob -- the govt., that is Whitehall, Parliament, EU and our Councils forget that the money they play around with is our money, hard earned by the taxpayers of this country - every fringe group and every other nation benefits at the expense of the British Taxpayer. Both Labour and this Conservative-LibDem Govt. have performed atrociously - if this was a 'proper job' they would have been sacked. Now they want us to work into our late 60's and at the same time look after our frail and elderly, while doing it. They can offer benefits to everu European and Commonwealth country but they cannot look after their own. They have sold off our Gold Reserves (Gordon Brown) and then bailed out the gross mismanagement of our banks (Gordon Brown) using our money. The banks should have gone to the wall like any other failed businss and young entrepreneurs and new investors would have been delighted to pick up the pieces. Now with the huge deficit which govt have created we the British Taxpayer are made to suffer and pay;yet again - for their failings, yet they think they deserve a 38% increase in salary. I pity the future generations of this country.

Julia Dennison
Julia Dennison
  • Elaine Page

Elaine your comments are so true, nobody can blame the Conservatives, Margaret Thatcher gave people the chance to buy their Council Houses so they could give their children a little something..the Labour Government has made our Welfare State and absolute joke..people now expect Welfare as a matter of life, regardless of their situation..I know too many people just grabbing whatever handout there is for them when they are working..Our Grandparents did not work all hours for nothing..when they...

Elaine your comments are so true, nobody can blame the Conservatives, Margaret Thatcher gave people the chance to buy their Council Houses so they could give their children a little something..the Labour Government has made our Welfare State and absolute joke..people now expect Welfare as a matter of life, regardless of their situation..I know too many people just grabbing whatever handout there is for them when they are working..Our Grandparents did not work all hours for nothing..when they went short they went without..SIMPLES..now this Godforesaken Generation want EVERYTHING and of course by giving in to their whims, the most vulnerable in Society have to "pay".. yes the elderly.......

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Elaine Page

Hi Julia - it is so strange I wrote u a lengthy reply - it has gone - is fb a govt tool??

Elaine Page
Elaine Page

Hello and welcome to Sheryl Alexandra Hedley - thank you for your support of this important issue which affects every taxpayer. To pay taxes all of our live is expected - but to have your home and savings removed when you need care, whilst other receive free care is OUTRAGEOUS. A bit like paying for a car over 10 years and when you finish paying they take it back - is that not theft, fraud - they then compound the crime by giving the car you have paid for to a third party. A poor analogy...

Hello and welcome to Sheryl Alexandra Hedley - thank you for your support of this important issue which affects every taxpayer. To pay taxes all of our live is expected - but to have your home and savings removed when you need care, whilst other receive free care is OUTRAGEOUS. A bit like paying for a car over 10 years and when you finish paying they take it back - is that not theft, fraud - they then compound the crime by giving the car you have paid for to a third party. A poor analogy - but I am sure you know what I mean.... Pleas get your friends to SIGN too..Thank you.

Stephanie Williams
Stephanie Williams
  • Elaine Page

Elaine, I feel very strongly about this too, but I don't know the answer. There are doubtless causes which many agree are far less worthy for which our taxes are used, but with an increasing need for care, surely there has to be a recognition that big tax increases would be inevitable. I personally think it is my duty as a taxpayer to pay more for the care of our elderly but that I am sure would be unpopular with the majority of the electorate. And for those with no means, who have...

Elaine, I feel very strongly about this too, but I don't know the answer. There are doubtless causes which many agree are far less worthy for which our taxes are used, but with an increasing need for care, surely there has to be a recognition that big tax increases would be inevitable. I personally think it is my duty as a taxpayer to pay more for the care of our elderly but that I am sure would be unpopular with the majority of the electorate. And for those with no means, who have contributed less? Do people really think they are less worthy of quality dignified care?

Stephanie Williams
Stephanie Williams
  • Elaine Page

Ps, I have signed and encouraged others to do so!

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • Elaine Page

Thanks for your input Stephanie - and for signing. At present care is free for everyone, except the taxpayer - having worked and paid taxes all of their lives the elderly taxpayer is excluded from free care. The British Taxpayer is the only group of our elderly who will have their home and savings taken by govt. to pay for their care. The elderly care bill is huge, but just like MPs salaries (also excessive) it is something which a responsible govt. must budget for. Govt. send billions of...

Thanks for your input Stephanie - and for signing. At present care is free for everyone, except the taxpayer - having worked and paid taxes all of their lives the elderly taxpayer is excluded from free care. The British Taxpayer is the only group of our elderly who will have their home and savings taken by govt. to pay for their care. The elderly care bill is huge, but just like MPs salaries (also excessive) it is something which a responsible govt. must budget for. Govt. send billions of pounds of the Taxpayers money to countries which neither need nor want our money, in the form of Foreign Aid. This is an outrageous extravagance when u consider the poverty experienced by many in Britain today - especially by our most vulnerable and worthy citizens - the elderly taxpayer. No-one should be penalized and discriminated against because they have worked and scrimped and scraped to buy a home and to have money in the bank for a rainy day. The anxiety and distress of this unjust act worsened my own mothers dementia. To see your life-savings disappear in 2 to 3 years, whilst everyone else receives the same care for free is cruel and is gross inequality. We have the Equality Act 2010 and the Commonwealth Charter signed by HM Queen Elizabeth II, March 13 - both documents declare 'Fairness and Equality for All'. Yet, still our elderly taxpayers are not receiving 'fair and equal treatment' when it comes to care when they are old and frail. This petition is too late to help my mother - but if things go well with 100,000 people signing - and govt. listenening and putting this injustice 'right', then future generations will not need to worry about care in their old age - it will be free to ALL. Care of the Elderly - without bias. Hope u have contacts who will join us. Thanks for your support.

Maureen Dickson
Maureen Dickson

the sme thing happens in australia I hsve worked in age care.

Elaine Page
Elaine Page

Hi Rosemary Anderson - great to have you with us on this important issue which will touch on all of our lives at some time. I hope you will pass it on and keep the numbers growing -The message to all is SIGN, SIGN, SIGN - Thank you so much.

David Sandilands
David Sandilands

Support your cause but do not share your opinion of the BBC. To say that the BBC supports paedophiles is ridiculous and irrelevant.

Elaine Page
Elaine Page
  • David Sandilands

Thanks for your support David.

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