Shaylene McLeod Livingston

As an avid pet lover and a realist as to what it takes to raise a loviing animal, my question is: Why after just one "supposed attack".
are these people trying to have these two dogs euthanized? We all know that animals react differently around certain sizes, breeds etc... but where were the owners of the Jack russel? What were the circumstances surrounding the episode? If the Jack Russel was injured by a Yorkie, would the owners have been so determined to see the dog put down? Or is it...

As an avid pet lover and a realist as to what it takes to raise a loviing animal, my question is: Why after just one "supposed attack".
are these people trying to have these two dogs euthanized? We all know that animals react differently around certain sizes, breeds etc... but where were the owners of the Jack russel? What were the circumstances surrounding the episode? If the Jack Russel was injured by a Yorkie, would the owners have been so determined to see the dog put down? Or is it just a case of big dog syndrome? If it is a big dog, it must be dangerous? You really have to look at the bigger picture. If we were so determined to decide the fate after one "accident" that people do to others, do you think that we would have such a problem in our prisons? Our society today believes that you are innocent until proven quilty. As far as I am aware, is there any proof that Champ and Chum actually did the deed? And if so, do they not have the right to be rehabilitated just like people do? Dogs have just as much a right a person to fight for their lives, unfortunately, they do not have a voice. Who is to speak for them but us?

Jo Thomas
Jo Thomas
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

it was not just one incident. There were msny complaints about these dogs, including attacks on other dogs and chasing livestock, incidents over a six year period. The petition is only covering a part of this story in order to gain support and make the charges against these dogs look less serious. Over the years we have offered assistance in many ways, such as help with fencing, help with training and socialising and they have all been turned down. There is only so much you can do if the...

it was not just one incident. There were msny complaints about these dogs, including attacks on other dogs and chasing livestock, incidents over a six year period. The petition is only covering a part of this story in order to gain support and make the charges against these dogs look less serious. Over the years we have offered assistance in many ways, such as help with fencing, help with training and socialising and they have all been turned down. There is only so much you can do if the owners are unwilling to try. You are not being told the full story here. I also own an Irish Wolfhound so it is definitely not "big dog syndrome".

Margaret Coyle Goff
Margaret Coyle Goff
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

Not according to the trial. People can talk smack all they want but the case dealt with one incident in which there was no witnesses. If you had proof of anything I am sure it would have been stated at the trial. Also are we supposed to take your word for it Jo? You who admitted to cutting the electric fence that the Manseaus had? You who admitted on the stand that you had called in false complaints on these two dogs in the past? You who stated that you never asked to have the dogs put down...

Not according to the trial. People can talk smack all they want but the case dealt with one incident in which there was no witnesses. If you had proof of anything I am sure it would have been stated at the trial. Also are we supposed to take your word for it Jo? You who admitted to cutting the electric fence that the Manseaus had? You who admitted on the stand that you had called in false complaints on these two dogs in the past? You who stated that you never asked to have the dogs put down and yet the letter you wrote to the court says the very opposite of that? You are a self-admitted liar and I wouldn't believe you even if your tongue came notarized. One last thing... you say you offered help with the fencing. Was this before or after you cut the electric fence that the Manseau's had? Why did you not put in a fence sufficient to contain your dog? There is no way in hell those Newfs fit their heads through that fence and pulled your dog through. No way in Hell!!! Contain your own dog and stop torturing your elderly neighbors. Excuse me neighbor. He is alone now.

Nikki Robertson-McLean
Nikki Robertson-McLean
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

In case anyone doesn't know JO Thomas is the neighbour that wants Chum & Champ DEAD. How she has the nerve to comment on here I'll never know. Yes there has been many incidents over the last 6 years Jo....many incidents of you bullying your elderly neighbours then moving onto their innocent dogs. Yes you're right the full story isn't on this petition so I'll fill everyone in. YOUR dog the Jack Russell escapes from your yard frequently & trespasses on the Manseau property & even eats Chum &...

In case anyone doesn't know JO Thomas is the neighbour that wants Chum & Champ DEAD. How she has the nerve to comment on here I'll never know. Yes there has been many incidents over the last 6 years Jo....many incidents of you bullying your elderly neighbours then moving onto their innocent dogs. Yes you're right the full story isn't on this petition so I'll fill everyone in. YOUR dog the Jack Russell escapes from your yard frequently & trespasses on the Manseau property & even eats Chum & Champs food. So Chum & Champ are very familiar with your dog & there has never been any incidents...other than your dog trespassing & stealing food. So why should the Manseaus have to build a new fence? To keep your dog out? No you should be keeping your dog in. When Mr Manseau found your dog with a small cut on it's chin he took it round to your husband..they both noted it was only a small cut & there wasn't really any concern about it. You were out so your husband said he would take your dog to the vets in a couple of hours when you got home. Strangely by the time your dog arrived at the vets 2 hours later there was another injury..on it's side. Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how that happened? I have an idea but I'm not going to say here as I don't accuse people of things without proof..unlike some people. The day before the incident another court case finished that you were a witness in. It's no secret that a workman left the Manseaus gate open & some of their Newfoundland puppies escaped & were found a few hours later & impounded for the night. There were no incidents when they escaped..they were young puppies & it was thrown out of court & Edith Manseau was fined $800..end of story. But when you were witness in that court case you admitted that you had made false noise complaints about Chum & Champ. So in court you were revealed as a liar. That court case finished...the day before Chum & Champ allegedly attacked your dog...how odd? Supposedly Chum & Champ roamed the neighbourhood as they pleased..if it was good enough for your dog why not them? It's ok for other neighbours dogs to do it too. Of course the stories of Chum & Champ roaming the neighbourhood were allegations..no photos or videos..no evidence at all. At least not of Chum & Champ. So Chum & Champ were seized 21 days after the alleged attack on your dog..they couldn't have been classed as dangerous for it to have taken that long! After that Chum & Champ were kept locked up & had to sleep on cold concret for 9 months. 9 very long lonely months. They weren't allowed any visits or allowed to see each other. They were fed an inadequate diet & given inadequate exercise. How horrible. Meanwhile I'm sure your dog was roaming the neighbourhood still along with other neighbours dogs getting up to goodness knows what? I really hope your dog hasn't killed any more cats. Have I missed anything out? Oh yes you keep telling everyone that you never asked for Chum & Champ to be KILLED. There you go with the lies again. This is a quote from one of your letters submitted in court. "We are at a stage where we think these animals should either be permanently removed from Mrs Manseaus property and re-homed or more appropriately should be euthanized" And if anyone is in any doubt about that quote being a true quote..it is. I saw it with my own eyes. So nobody saw your dog being attacked. There were no puncture wounds from teeth. No evidence in any way that Chum & Champ attacked your dog? But you feel they should be euthanized? This is why NOBODY is interested in your comments.

Sheila Krenz
Sheila Krenz
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

Jo - Seriously? - you offered them assistance? Really? Would that have been while you were busy pointing a gun at them? You've made their lives a living hell! (RIP Edith) ... And you offered to help them with fencing? - was that while you were busy cutting their fencing? Please! Your kind of help they definitely did (and do) not need! How in the world do you sleep at night?!!! Oh - and let's not forget your latest bid in helping them (well, your kind of twisted help that is) - the...

Jo - Seriously? - you offered them assistance? Really? Would that have been while you were busy pointing a gun at them? You've made their lives a living hell! (RIP Edith) ... And you offered to help them with fencing? - was that while you were busy cutting their fencing? Please! Your kind of help they definitely did (and do) not need! How in the world do you sleep at night?!!! Oh - and let's not forget your latest bid in helping them (well, your kind of twisted help that is) - the sending of emails to Chum and Champ's supporters with more of your lies!!! How is it you can justify your actions and come on this petition and spout such bull - NO ONE BELIEVES YOU! You have been exposed ... the truth is out there now Jo - best you go hang your head in shame!! And know this - THE WORLD IS WATCHING!!! Chum and Champ's plight has gone viral ... along with information about all that you have done TO this family! There is no corner of this world that you can hide what you have done! - now that's the legacy you have left for you family!

Bobbie Isbell
Bobbie Isbell
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

1st apologies to Shaylene, your message was wonderful and we are sorry that the 'plaintiff' in this case, has taken it upon herself to pervert the course of justice by posting here [and other online Chum & Champ places].
We who support Chum & Champ would like to invite yourself [and many others here] to Chum & Champ's Facebook support page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/342594339163357/
Where we can show evidence of the past, present and continued obstruction of justice that Jo Thomas & Co...

1st apologies to Shaylene, your message was wonderful and we are sorry that the 'plaintiff' in this case, has taken it upon herself to pervert the course of justice by posting here [and other online Chum & Champ places].
We who support Chum & Champ would like to invite yourself [and many others here] to Chum & Champ's Facebook support page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/342594339163357/
Where we can show evidence of the past, present and continued obstruction of justice that Jo Thomas & Co perpetuates.

Jo Thomas -- I think you need to talk to your brief. I can 100% assure you, that you continue to break the law as you did in the past and are doing by posting here DURING an active case. Ask your solicitor, I think he/she will inform you that if the defence for Chum & Champ wish to contact the police, they could do so, and with impunity. Having a lawyer for yourself and your "team" is a really good idea at this stage, considering how many absues of power and laws you've broken and continue to break.

Golinschi Saviana
Golinschi Saviana
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

OH SHUT THE FK UP

Golinschi Saviana
Golinschi Saviana
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

Jo Thomas U SHOULD BE FORBID TO OWN DOGS U U MONSTER

Boots O'Halloran
Boots O'Halloran
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

Jo Thomas you are a probably the worse kind of person there is, Not only do you lie, but bear false witness against your neighbor to the point of stress related death and now you want the courts to do your dirty dead of killing the animals that you hold such hatred for. These animals did nothing to you. and what happened to your jack? did you harm your own dog to make it look worse? I think you should be investigated for the treatment and care of your own animals. How can you do this....

Jo Thomas you are a probably the worse kind of person there is, Not only do you lie, but bear false witness against your neighbor to the point of stress related death and now you want the courts to do your dirty dead of killing the animals that you hold such hatred for. These animals did nothing to you. and what happened to your jack? did you harm your own dog to make it look worse? I think you should be investigated for the treatment and care of your own animals. How can you do this. There is a place waiting for you in your future and it is not Heaven!!!! i CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CAN DO THIS. BUILD A FENCE (a very tall fence)hopefully you wont do any more harm to your own animals AND STAY IN YOUR OWN LITTLE EVIL WORLD AND LEAVE EVERYONE AND THEIR ANIMALS ALONE. LIVE AND LET LIVE. Too much killing in the world. You have already killed several of the 10 comandments and a person ... stop there before you kill more!!! Ugly black hearted person with no soul. Stay out of my neighborhood/county/state/country

Candace McCullough
Candace McCullough
  • Shaylene McLeod Livingston

Jo Thomas Shame on you Jo! It is sad but true. People like you the evil of your Heart make this world go round. Do you regret the Death you caused this family? The heart ache and pain they including the dogs have went through. If not you will one day! These dogs are the sweetest animals in the world! I have know a few of them my self Kids and other small dogs have pulled and snipped at them the first time they ever met and no response from these dogs they would just sit down and look like...

Jo Thomas Shame on you Jo! It is sad but true. People like you the evil of your Heart make this world go round. Do you regret the Death you caused this family? The heart ache and pain they including the dogs have went through. If not you will one day! These dogs are the sweetest animals in the world! I have know a few of them my self Kids and other small dogs have pulled and snipped at them the first time they ever met and no response from these dogs they would just sit down and look like ok whatever. So May Our Father in Heaven and Edith Spirit change your evil mind and Heart Thank you

Bonnie Farion Wong
Bonnie Farion Wong

Very, very sad that there was no fencing good enough to prevent this, and because of these owners irresponsibility these dogs might die. Is it sad and heartbreaking, yes. But they KILLED another dog. What if that was your dog? I say this AS a longtime Newfoundland dog owner who currently has 3 newfs and runs a small all breed dog rescue. That onus is on BOTH neighbors, and training is something that MUST be done as SOON as you get new dogs.

I would NEVER let my Newfoundlands share a dodgy...

Very, very sad that there was no fencing good enough to prevent this, and because of these owners irresponsibility these dogs might die. Is it sad and heartbreaking, yes. But they KILLED another dog. What if that was your dog? I say this AS a longtime Newfoundland dog owner who currently has 3 newfs and runs a small all breed dog rescue. That onus is on BOTH neighbors, and training is something that MUST be done as SOON as you get new dogs.

I would NEVER let my Newfoundlands share a dodgy fence line with a Jack Russell. They would be somewhere safe UNTIL I HAD A PROPER FENCE. End of story. This would not have happened if the owners had been responsible. These dogs should be sent to a Canadian Newfoundland Dog Breed Rescue, there are many all over Canada. I just feel that the irresponsibility by the owners of these beautiful dogs proves they cannot handle them. Do accidents happen? Yes. But killing another dog is no accident and the owners should be held accountable, but it also does not mean these dogs should die too.

Bianca Styles
Bianca Styles
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

Jack russels are assholes. They love starting shit. Feel bad for the jack russel, but it's stupid to murder the newfs over it.

Bonnie Farion Wong
Bonnie Farion Wong
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

AGREE! I had one attack one of my newfs years ago, they LOVE to start a fight, and two perfectly non aggressive newfs will "finish" it, and I suspect that is what happened. Horrible situation for these gentle giants.

Monica Fryer
Monica Fryer
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

I have read this article 5 times in the past 3 minutes where does it say the j.r. dog die , also r the Comox Valley SPCA GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF eDITH i DO HOPE SO the worrying over her faithful pets caused her death

Monica Fryer
Monica Fryer
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

Bonnie why should Chum and Champ be exiledf they will probably pine away if sent to live elsewhere I mean they r nearly human my girlfriend had mother and daughter tibetenese dogs mther died daughter died 5 weeks later

Bonnie Farion Wong
Bonnie Farion Wong
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

Huh? I'm not sure what you are saying, but I have my opinion you have yours. Clear case of irresponsible owners. I advocate for animals, not humans.

Bonnie Farion Wong
Bonnie Farion Wong
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

Monica Fryer I have adopted out many dogs from my rescue, it is amazing how they remember me but thrive in their new homes with new owners.

Angela Lea Taylor
Angela Lea Taylor
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

The jack russell is NOT dead....... the jack russell was injured. There were NO witnesses that Chum and Champ caused any harm to this dog. These dogs were seized on the word of a neighbour "that she believed Chum and Champ were responsible". Nobody saw how the Jack Russell was injured!! At the Trial in March no pre treatment photos were submitted as evidence. Dr. Stacey Gastis (veterinarian) testified he treats injuries on animals from dog bites “on a weekly basis” “and most are puncture...

The jack russell is NOT dead....... the jack russell was injured. There were NO witnesses that Chum and Champ caused any harm to this dog. These dogs were seized on the word of a neighbour "that she believed Chum and Champ were responsible". Nobody saw how the Jack Russell was injured!! At the Trial in March no pre treatment photos were submitted as evidence. Dr. Stacey Gastis (veterinarian) testified he treats injuries on animals from dog bites “on a weekly basis” “and most are puncture wounds from canine teeth”. He noted after looking at the patient chart of the Jack Russell Terrier, he could not find anything that he would describe as puncture wounds, and said the injuries are more typical of an industrial accident, with lesions most commonly seen in horses. “If there was a bite, I would expect to see multiple fang bites in the chest,” he added. Of further interest is that the attending veterinarian Dr. Yvette MacLean who is a coworker of Joanne Thomas(receptionist) either by design or accident failed to show up up to testify.

Jayne Cvetanoski
Jayne Cvetanoski
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

** CHUM AND CHAMP...DID NOT KILL..I REPEAT DID NOT KILL...the JR is alive and well! **

Bonnie Farion Wong
Bonnie Farion Wong
  • Bonnie Farion Wong

First off, I do NOT feel these dogs should be held responsible for the actions of ALL the humans involved, on both sides. They should not die because parties on both sides refuse to truly be honest about what happened. I have ofc signed the petition and taken all the action I can to save their lives, even though I feel they should be sent to a Newf breed rescue.

I am sorry if I got the facts wrong about the death of the Jack Russell, if you are right, it was reported to me erroneously, but...

First off, I do NOT feel these dogs should be held responsible for the actions of ALL the humans involved, on both sides. They should not die because parties on both sides refuse to truly be honest about what happened. I have ofc signed the petition and taken all the action I can to save their lives, even though I feel they should be sent to a Newf breed rescue.

I am sorry if I got the facts wrong about the death of the Jack Russell, if you are right, it was reported to me erroneously, but he was attacked by "something". Does anyone of pictures of this JRT's original injuries and of him currently?

I have been passed a LOT of information about this and what is quietly being done behind the scenes which has not yet been made public, that I cannot divulge about this situation. Once it is made public I am confident it will go to show that it comes down to the onus is squarely on the irresponsible owners. That doesn't make them bad people, but it doesn't change anything despite the fact that the JRT did not die. Plus, why would this be, according to this petition and take action page, JUST about fence issues and training IF the attack on the JRT did not happen and if it did it had nothing do to with Chum and Champ, and it is merely a vendetta. Did they have proper fencing before this happened? Did they start obedience training soon as they bought these dogs, and if so what level did they achieve?

The injuries on the Jack Russell that were stated, according to you, Angela, were that the vet "said the injuries are more typical of an industrial accident, with lesions most commonly seen in horses". This I take great issue with, the JRT was not involved in an industrial accident and he is NOT a horse, so the injuries are not comparable. That they are being made out as such is beyond ludicrous.

Newfs have extremely soft mouths and may not have caused puncture wounds with their canines, but this does not at all mean that no altercation between the two Newfs and the JRT happened. In my extensive experience with my past of showing, breeding and training Newfs in obedience, water rescue and draft trials, to have evolved in my later years to rescue, I still involve training, socialization and exposure to many different situations and dogs in order to set them up for success when I find them their forever home. Even though I do feel Newfoundlands are an extremely safe dog and have only seen one bred by an irresponsible breeder show aggression towards humans.

I am really surprised that so many of you who seem to have all the answers will NOT answer the MOST important question, this is as to the fence issue, and how can any animal lover feel that a non secure fence and insufficient training for these two lovely dogs is in any way OK? This definitely was THE factor in them being seized. Is that not the #1 and #2 most important things in regards to their shelter and well being when they are living in a suburban area? If they had proper fencing and training them these allegations could NOT have even been made despite the supposed neighbors in the area who are being portrayed as "out for blood", vindictive and wanting these dogs dead. On that, I do not know, but I have not been privy to any statements of such, and I would appreciate anyone who can prove by providing any links to any stories done by the local Comox media on this case so I can form a rational and fair opinion.

Are we not responsible to provide a safe environment for our dogs, to not only keep them from danger from what is outside the fence, but to also keep other animals out of our yards to keep them from danger as well. Newfs are lovely, amazing, life saving dogs. That being said, they are not for everyone, and especially if not trained and with no proper fence. They are very strong dogs, and despite their wonderful natural disposition, if not trained well by 6 months of age, they can be quite a handful to control, despite their natural instincts.

So Angela, you feel that Chum and Champ's owners are not only blameless in all this, but are also the target of a conspiracy involving their neighbors, the authorities and vets as well as have been wrongly accused of this attack. Can you prove this showing statements from the neighbors to back this up? I am not saying it didn't happen, I just have seen zero proof, only accusations, opinions and second and third hand information.

I know Newfs well. I am not saying I know everything and more than anyon else, by any means, but I have over 20 years experience with the Newfoundland breed and have worked studyng them in all aspects of behavior, conformation, genetics and the health issues specific to the breed in their genes, as well as their instinctual drives, pedigrees, their dietary requirements ( I ONLY feed a raw diet to ALL the dogs I have rescued and rehomed ) as well as training Newfs for water rescue and draft trials - for those who do not know what draft trials are, it is training Newfs to pull carts, weight and be under full control of the handler, draft and water tr other things to showcase their amazing natural instincts being harnessed to earn titles.

They could have been attacked first by the JRT, NONE of us know what REALLY happened, except Chum, Champ and the JRT and they aren't "talking". The facts are that the fencing did not protect the JRT from the Newfs, and vice versa. How about a tiny bit of personal responsibility from the owners instead of pointing fingers everywhere but to themselves, and down playing this as a mere "fence and training" issue. The only living creatures that are truly blameless in this all are the actual dogs, but not the owners by any means. Also, if these neighbors are irrantionally against these dogs, why would the owners even want these dogs to be subject to this supposed lynch mob? Would it not be in the best interest of the dogs to find a much safer environment? They will NOT die like was suggested on this thread if they are rehomed, any one in rescue can attest at how well dogs can adjust given the chance.

So, if those who purport to have these all these "facts" about this vendetta can even answer about the fence and training rationally, I would appreciate it. If no one can, sadly that silence speaks volumes to me and many other newf lovers that have been following this issue for months now.

I am not close minded, but I feel since I have no allegiance to either side and advocate for those who cannot speak for themselves and can see these dogs are being scapegoated due to the documented mistakes in judgement made by the owners, I would appreciate as many proven facts as possible for anyone wanting to continue replying to my comments.

Lynda McMurry Hooper
Lynda McMurry Hooper

If it were me, I'd leave, while I had the dogs in my custody, because you can't count on that judge to be fair in his decision. Marion Wagner, below, has said it well... however, if I read this correctly, I believe this has happened in Canada, not the USA... but that makes no difference ~ the end result is still the same, and it's going on everywhere! ENOUGH ALREADY! Take Chum and Champ, while you have them, and get the hell out of Dodge ~ out of the jurisdiction of that judge and court!...

If it were me, I'd leave, while I had the dogs in my custody, because you can't count on that judge to be fair in his decision. Marion Wagner, below, has said it well... however, if I read this correctly, I believe this has happened in Canada, not the USA... but that makes no difference ~ the end result is still the same, and it's going on everywhere! ENOUGH ALREADY! Take Chum and Champ, while you have them, and get the hell out of Dodge ~ out of the jurisdiction of that judge and court! What happened with Ellen DeGeneres ~ did she respond? Signed and shared...

Marion Wagner
Marion Wagner
  • Lynda McMurry Hooper

Lynda I realize this is in Canada, but it is happening all over, in the USA very often lately. Too much, and I wish I knew why. It just doesn't make any sense! My dog could be taken & put down simply because they greeted someone by getting excited & jumping on them. That is utterly ridiculous. That is why I really am working on this with my dogs, I try not to let them jump up on anyone, it just takes that one person who doesn't like animals to make a complaint. Why the judges are going...

Lynda I realize this is in Canada, but it is happening all over, in the USA very often lately. Too much, and I wish I knew why. It just doesn't make any sense! My dog could be taken & put down simply because they greeted someone by getting excited & jumping on them. That is utterly ridiculous. That is why I really am working on this with my dogs, I try not to let them jump up on anyone, it just takes that one person who doesn't like animals to make a complaint. Why the judges are going way over board on this & punishing these animals by taking their lives??? Are people going crazy everywhere now??? It's getting to where I'm scared to let them in the backyard without me. This is just so sad, and so wrong.

Lynda McMurry Hooper
Lynda McMurry Hooper
  • Lynda McMurry Hooper

Marion, I totally agree with you... they won't punish criminals, but they'll put an innocent dog down in a skinny minute, for nothing... I don't get it either... we just have to keep doing whatever we can, and ask God to help us make a difference.

Jo Thomas
Jo Thomas
  • Lynda McMurry Hooper

Marion and Lynda, this is not just about the attack on one dog, there were several dogs attacked.

Margaret Coyle Goff
Margaret Coyle Goff
  • Lynda McMurry Hooper

Not according to the trial. People can talk smack all they want but the case dealt with one incident in which there was no witnesses. If you had proof of anything I am sure it would have been stated at the trial. Also are we supposed to take your word for it Jo? You who admitted to cutting the electric fence that the Manseaus had? You who admitted on the stand that you had called in false complaints on these two dogs in the past? You who stated that you never asked to have the dogs...

Not according to the trial. People can talk smack all they want but the case dealt with one incident in which there was no witnesses. If you had proof of anything I am sure it would have been stated at the trial. Also are we supposed to take your word for it Jo? You who admitted to cutting the electric fence that the Manseaus had? You who admitted on the stand that you had called in false complaints on these two dogs in the past? You who stated that you never asked to have the dogs put down and yet the letter you wrote to the court says the very opposite of that? You are a self-admitted liar and I wouldn't believe you even if your tongue came notarized.

Sheila Krenz
Sheila Krenz
  • Lynda McMurry Hooper

Jo - I would like for you to take a lie detector test - oh wait - don't bother - it's already proven IN COURT that you have a habit of making false accusations.

Nikki Robertson-McLean
Nikki Robertson-McLean
  • Lynda McMurry Hooper

In case anyone doesn't know JO THOMAS is the neighbour that wants Chum & Champ DEAD. How she has the nerve to comment on here I'll never know. Yes there has been many incidents over the last 6 years Jo....many incidents of you bullying your elderly neighbours then moving onto their innocent dogs. Yes you're right the full story isn't on this petition so I'll fill everyone in. YOUR dog the Jack Russell escapes from your yard frequently & trespasses on the Manseau property & even eats Chum &...

In case anyone doesn't know JO THOMAS is the neighbour that wants Chum & Champ DEAD. How she has the nerve to comment on here I'll never know. Yes there has been many incidents over the last 6 years Jo....many incidents of you bullying your elderly neighbours then moving onto their innocent dogs. Yes you're right the full story isn't on this petition so I'll fill everyone in. YOUR dog the Jack Russell escapes from your yard frequently & trespasses on the Manseau property & even eats Chum & Champs food. So Chum & Champ are very familiar with your dog & there has never been any incidents...other than your dog trespassing & stealing food. So why should the Manseaus have to build a new fence? To keep your dog out? No you should be keeping your dog in. When Mr Manseau found your dog with a small cut on it's chin he took it round to your husband..they both noted it was only a small cut & there wasn't really any concern about it. You were out so your husband said he would take your dog to the vets in a couple of hours when you got home. Strangely by the time your dog arrived at the vets 2 hours later there was another injury..on it's side. Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how that happened? I have an idea but I'm not going to say here as I don't accuse people of things without proof..unlike some people. The day before the incident another court case finished that you were a witness in. It's no secret that a workman left the Manseaus gate open & some of their Newfoundland puppies escaped & were found a few hours later & impounded for the night. There were no incidents when they escaped..they were young puppies & it was thrown out of court & Edith Manseau was fined $800..end of story. But when you were witness in that court case you admitted that you had made false noise complaints about Chum & Champ. So in court you were revealed as a liar. That court case finished...the day before Chum & Champ allegedly attacked your dog...how odd? Supposedly Chum & Champ roamed the neighbourhood as they pleased..if it was good enough for your dog why not them? It's ok for other neighbours dogs to do it too. Of course the stories of Chum & Champ roaming the neighbourhood were allegations..no photos or videos..no evidence at all. At least not of Chum & Champ. So Chum & Champ were seized 21 days after the alleged attack on your dog..they couldn't have been classed as dangerous for it to have taken that long! After that Chum & Champ were kept locked up & had to sleep on cold concrete for 9 months. 9 very long lonely months. They weren't allowed any visits or allowed to see each other. They were fed an inadequate diet & given inadequate exercise. How horrible. Meanwhile I'm sure your dog was roaming the neighbourhood still along with other neighbours dogs getting up to goodness knows what? I really hope your dog hasn't killed any more cats. Have I missed anything out? Oh yes you keep telling everyone that you never asked for Chum & Champ to be KILLED. There you go with the lies again. This is a quote from one of your letters submitted in court. "We are at a stage where we think these animals should either be permanently removed from Mrs Manseaus property and re-homed or more appropriately should be euthanized" And if anyone is in any doubt about that quote being a true quote..it is. I saw it with my own eyes. So nobody saw your dog being attacked. There were no puncture wounds from teeth. No evidence in any way that Chum & Champ attacked your dog? But you feel they should be euthanized? This is why NOBODY is interested in your comments.

Mandy Gibbons
Mandy Gibbons

What a sad and horrible story... all due to nasty neighbours. This is ridiculous. Especially when there is no actual evidence or witnesses to prove these loveable dogs did this. Plus a vet stating these dogs didn't cause the injury. Sounds to me like a ugly witch hunt by neighbours who have allowed their own issues to get out of control and are taking it out on these two dogs. The neighbours should be charged with abuse / throw the book at them for what they've done to the poor family who...

What a sad and horrible story... all due to nasty neighbours. This is ridiculous. Especially when there is no actual evidence or witnesses to prove these loveable dogs did this. Plus a vet stating these dogs didn't cause the injury. Sounds to me like a ugly witch hunt by neighbours who have allowed their own issues to get out of control and are taking it out on these two dogs. The neighbours should be charged with abuse / throw the book at them for what they've done to the poor family who own these dogs and the poor dogs and what they've been through. :-(

Leonie Windle
Leonie Windle
  • Mandy Gibbons

What were they accused of? Look like bib teddy bears :(

Leonie Windle
Leonie Windle
  • Mandy Gibbons

*big

Mandy Gibbons
Mandy Gibbons
  • Mandy Gibbons

Leonie, without getting into it on my wall, click on the above link and read the comments. It will make you sick when you see what these poor dogs, and the owners, have been through due to false complaints from a neighbour. See the "freedom for chum and champ" profiles. One of the poor owners has passed away. It's so sad.

Leonie Windle
Leonie Windle
  • Mandy Gibbons

That's horrible, really have no words for this sort of thing!

Mandy Gibbons
Mandy Gibbons
  • Mandy Gibbons

I know :-(

Shonda Smith
Shonda Smith

Please do not harm these animals.. They do not deserve to be destryed over human stupidity! People can be so very cruel~ Animals do not have a voice~ We are their voice! Please speak up and protect them! Please

Rosemary Sage
Rosemary Sage
  • Shonda Smith

it saddens me to hear these stories, why can't people just leave other people's pets alone. just because these dogs are big people are afraid of them (and others like them) I would rather see one of these gentle giants wakling down the street than a small heel biter

Rosemary Sage
Rosemary Sage
  • Shonda Smith

it is funny how people act so differently around certain size dogs.... I have a 80 pound rott/sheppard and a 27 pound corgi mix.. people will walk way around me when I am walking the big baby but will walk right up to me with the corgi, and true be told my bog baby is just that a lover who loves everyone, the little one not as friendly (not mean just not friendly - to strangers)

Shonda Smith
Shonda Smith
  • Shonda Smith

SOOO VERY TRUE!!!!

Lori Grillon Bennett
Lori Grillon Bennett

newfoundlands are one of the gentlest dog breeds known to man! I owned one myself ~ these gentle giants are beautiful, loyal and above all docile~It would be a true crime to claim otherwise and destroy them!

Susan Collins
Susan Collins
  • Lori Grillon Bennett

Wow....destroy rescue dogs???? thats pretty bad! They're water rescue dogs,sweetest dispositions.....

Jamie Mazzarella Monaghan
Jamie Mazzarella Monaghan
  • Lori Grillon Bennett

had one when i was a little girl love her so much ...best dogs ..

Elle McCarten
Elle McCarten
  • Lori Grillon Bennett

yes they r :)

Elle McCarten
Elle McCarten
  • Lori Grillon Bennett

Susan Spagnoli- Collins u r so right. why rescue if they r going 2 b killed?! total. BULL.S**T!

Ian Griffiths
Ian Griffiths

As a Law Enforcement Officer of over 30 years experience I feel that putting these gentle animals down would serve no justifiable purpose other than to fortify the hateful demeanor of "Vicious" neighbors. One needs to look furher into the actions of the Jack Russell, my experience with that breed is that they are vicious little bastards by nature! I've owned a couple!

Dave Bitner
Dave Bitner
  • Ian Griffiths

I agree with most of your comment, except for your description of the J.R.T. breed, I as yourself have had several, and the description you give could be of any breed, not just a J.R.T., as any breed, just as humans, you have good and bad. P.S.: I am an avid dog person, and have many years experience with all types of breeds.

Martha Pearson
Martha Pearson
  • Ian Griffiths

The circumstances of the J.R.T.'s injury is unknown. Many years ago my family's standard poodle walked up the hill behind our neighbor's house and their small poodle chased him, nipping at his hind legs. Our dog was elderly, didn't see or hear well, and snapped toward his attacker. The little poodle's eye had to be removed, but fortunately our neighbor was understanding; it was not our dog's fault.
To kill these Newfies, when they are only suspects, with no evidence to even arrest, is...

The circumstances of the J.R.T.'s injury is unknown. Many years ago my family's standard poodle walked up the hill behind our neighbor's house and their small poodle chased him, nipping at his hind legs. Our dog was elderly, didn't see or hear well, and snapped toward his attacker. The little poodle's eye had to be removed, but fortunately our neighbor was understanding; it was not our dog's fault.
To kill these Newfies, when they are only suspects, with no evidence to even arrest, is totally wrong. We signers of this petition have to be the Innocence Project for Chum and Champ, and clear their good names.

Alice Stottko
Alice Stottko
  • Ian Griffiths

I agree it is "PEOPLE" not the dogs. !!!

Norma Gray
Norma Gray
  • Ian Griffiths

I bet ya still loved them! I hope...

Dagmar He
Dagmar He

Mary try to sign the petition from this link on my wall. I cant find you. this might help. thanks (and yes, I have signed).

Dagmar He
Dagmar He
  • Dagmar He
Dagmar He
Dagmar He
  • Dagmar He

that IS weird. hmmm. not sure what to do about that.
:(

April Showers
April Showers
  • Dagmar He

Try a different browser that's what I had to do..

Kats Cauldron
Kats Cauldron
  • Dagmar He

just signed

Yelitza Carrera
Yelitza Carrera

I have just read a few comments below and it would appear that these dogs have been falsely accused by a neighbour? Why then is this even being heard in court? crazy!

Yelitza Carrera
Yelitza Carrera
  • Yelitza Carrera

I have never heard of Newfoundland dogs attacking and I know a few of them....

Jade Carrera
Jade Carrera
  • Yelitza Carrera

NOR I !!!! THIS IS A NIGHTMARE !!!!I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR FRIENDS HAVE SIGNED TO "HELP"??????

Tonya Lankford
Tonya Lankford

Please help Chum and Champ come back to their family.

Jayne Cvetanoski
Jayne Cvetanoski
  • Tonya Lankford

ANIMAL ADVOCACY - Project Justice!
PLEASE read share ..this new blog has lots of background information on CHUM AND CHAMP..video links can be seen too!
LINK: http://animaladvocacyproject.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/urgent-gentle-giants-chum-and-champ.html?spref=fb

IMPORTANT NEWS FOR THE TWITTER'S..
Twitter users: We have done a good job taking over the CVRD FB page.
Now we need to trump them in google rankings .
Please include www.comoxvalleyregionaldistrict.com in your tweets frequently.

Tonya Lankford
Tonya Lankford
  • Tonya Lankford

I watched the assessment videos of both dogs. They are gentle giants. I sure hope Judge Sutton agrees.

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