Aaron Griesel
Aaron Griesel

Can you believe the nerve of some people !?! to think that a residential area would be built so close to the country.
I can't sign this. The guy is trying to make a living, just in a different way from how you do. Get you some Suck it Up or take your city ideals back where they belong. You are in the country get used to it.

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Aaron Griesel

This guy "just trying to make a living" actually is quite well off and doesn't actually farm for a living!

Aaron Griesel
Aaron Griesel
  • Aaron Griesel

Think about it for a minute. Who chose whom for a neighbor? Did he move his vineyard next to you and start setting off the bird repellant ? I'd lay odds the vineyard was there before your neighborhood existed.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Aaron Griesel

Aaron - we all have to share this world. If we can do so peacefully and quietly through using a different method then why shouldn't we? Why would the farmer not use nets? Laziness and nothing more. In addition, this farmer is actively causing problems for other noise-sensitive species in his area and damaging the ecosystem. Those organisms were there first and have the right to live without being traumatised by explosions all day every day. I'd lay odds all those creatures were there before this guy showed up and planted his vineyard.

Lindy Hinds
Lindy Hinds
  • Aaron Griesel

Good for you Lorena Woodfine! Very well spoken and so true!

Baba Deshpande
Baba Deshpande
  • Aaron Griesel

u r correct Lorena Even Darwin said so.

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Aaron Griesel

Darwin said that he was wrong on his death bed.Anybody who is a scientist has to call his modelDarwinism,They have a "new"model for what they call evolution now.

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Aaron Griesel

Besides,Darwin spoke of survival of the fittest.As we see the average person today,That turns that idea on its head as well.

Kelly O'Brien
Kelly O'Brien
  • Aaron Griesel

@James
This actually made me laugh. Ignorant. Animals and living things other than humans still live or die by survival of the fittest

Kelly O'Brien
Kelly O'Brien
  • Aaron Griesel

...cont....
With advanced technology and medicine, humans have in some ways gotten around survival of the fittest.

Chelsie T. Zeitz
Chelsie T. Zeitz
  • Aaron Griesel

I've been living in the country for nineteen years and it's only just recently that these things have started becoming far too noisy. And I live where there's hunters and sportsmen firing off guns. These canons are much too loud.

Aaron Griesel
Aaron Griesel

The unacceptable part about this is the lies the author is spreading in order to gain signatures. The reason the Sherriff couldn't do anything is because the vineyard owner is doing nothing wrong. So , the author hs to trump something up against his neighbor. I'd be ashamed to have you in my neighborhood.

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Aaron Griesel

Well Aaron, it seems you know the situation here pretty well. I encourage you to buy my house so you can deal with this BS!

Aaron Griesel
Aaron Griesel
  • Aaron Griesel

opening your campaign stating they are in your backyard is a lie. If it weren't , the sheriff wouldn't have said there is nothing to be done about it.
You are to close to the country , you really should sue your realtor for not disclosing this about your property. If you had done your homework better you wouldn't have the problem of trying to change your neighbors.

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Aaron Griesel

Do you make calling honest folks liars? The fact is that the sheriff and prosecuting attorney claim that nothing can be done as a result or their "right to farm". Again, if you don't believe it's only a couple hundred yards away then I entourage you to come and see for yourself.

Tony Pennebaker
Tony Pennebaker
  • Aaron Griesel

I have bird cannons pointed at me here in Texas. They are a little annoying but since most birds are protected we farmers try to not kill them. Still we must protect our crops. I find that a 12 ga shotgun works pretty well but who can afford that much ammo.

Aaron Griesel
Aaron Griesel
  • Aaron Griesel

Mr Kiley, your spelling , typo's and poor grammar usage make your post nearly incomprehensible.
Are the repellant devices ON your property ? or NOT ?
They are NOT ! ok so what is it you want done ? You clearly state they are "in your backyard" .
This is an obvious case of "Buyers Remorse" . Do you really feel "entitled" to someone else fixing or paying for your mistake ?

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Aaron Griesel

What we see here is a person who has been clamoring to get LEGAL and CRIMINAL action by his own words above against someone for trying to do their job.People always talking about banning something.Must be from California.

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Aaron Griesel

Since he is unable to get any legal means to grant his personal wishes,now he tries to start a petition.Because he thinks he is extra special,and that the whole world should give him peace and quiet if he says so.

Heather Williams
Heather Williams

I used to live in the country surrounded by Citrus and Pistachio orchards that used these things and they aren't that loud. I would rather listen to the propane bird cannons than live in a city with cars that go by every few seconds, now that's annoying!

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Heather Williams

The nice thing about this country is that we still have"A Choice". Choosing to live away from the city doesn't mean compromising between the lesser of two evils!

Aaron Griesel
Aaron Griesel
  • Heather Williams

And you choose to live next to a vineyard. Do you not see the irony of this ?
Vineyards and farming means money, industry, jobs and unilateral prosperity. If you aren't for these things maybe you are a freeloading carpet bagger better suited for somewhere else.

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Heather Williams

Again, more assumptions. I too am a business owner and employer, however, that doesn't entitle me completely disregard everyone who my business ventures may have a negative impact on. Furthermore, I'm a decorated combat veteran and dedicated 8 years of my life serving this country for the cause I believe in ideals like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe I've earned my right to champion this cause as many folks across this country are affected by this intrusion on their...

Again, more assumptions. I too am a business owner and employer, however, that doesn't entitle me completely disregard everyone who my business ventures may have a negative impact on. Furthermore, I'm a decorated combat veteran and dedicated 8 years of my life serving this country for the cause I believe in ideals like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe I've earned my right to champion this cause as many folks across this country are affected by this intrusion on their own lives. Shame on you for suggesting that I'm some "freeloading carpet bagger" and if that vineyard really wanted to create jobs, they'd hire folks to scare the birds rather than relying on cheap and obnoxious noise pollution.

Lynn Laviolette
Lynn Laviolette
  • Heather Williams

To Mr. Aaron, seriously....a freeloading carpetbagger??? EVERYONE who purchases property has the right to peaceful enjoyment of their homes. And so what if he chose to live next to a vineyard, it's his right to choose a property to suits him and his lifestyle. And I agree that there are much less intrusive methods by which birds can be deterred from the vineyards...HIRE PEOPLE to scare them off if you are so worried about unilateral prosperity, or set up netting. I'm sure that the bird...

To Mr. Aaron, seriously....a freeloading carpetbagger??? EVERYONE who purchases property has the right to peaceful enjoyment of their homes. And so what if he chose to live next to a vineyard, it's his right to choose a property to suits him and his lifestyle. And I agree that there are much less intrusive methods by which birds can be deterred from the vineyards...HIRE PEOPLE to scare them off if you are so worried about unilateral prosperity, or set up netting. I'm sure that the bird cannons are more recent and that Mr. Leon didn't choose to live next to that cacaphony to begin with. Maybe you should camp out next to the property for a few days and THEN try to make a case for irony.

Lynn Laviolette
Lynn Laviolette
  • Heather Williams

Leon Kiley I did the math and you should NOT have to listen to that noise. It works out to 21600 bangs per 24 hour periods based on the video. 3 bangs in 12 seconds equals 15 bangs per minute, 900 per hour and 21600 per day. That is just plain nuts, assuming of course that the birds are that consistent in their raids on the vineyard, and I suspect that they probably are.

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Heather Williams

You own a home in a nice country setting.In an AGRICULTURAL zoned area.Perhaps you live too well,do you live better than your employees?How big is your house,property,do you really need that much space?An apartment in an urban zone is where you should be.,,What,you don't like it when your type of logic is taken to that extreme?

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Heather Williams

There are quiet ways that some people employee.Ever hear of the huge bird die offs at various times and places?It has been confirmed that many of the cases are from poisoning.Quiet and anonymous.
Somebody should start a petition.

Yve Kosugi
Yve Kosugi

Maybe all of those opposed to the cannons should declare that they are willing to pay much more for their fruit etc., if they are intending on forcing farmers to net multiple acres of farm land. Do you have any idea of the cost to the producer? Or maybe stop being so fussy and be willing to purchase bird pecked fruit? I didn't think so. NIMBY suburbanites with no idea what it takes to get you your "perfect" fruit and veg.

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Yve Kosugi

I know you wouldn't be saying this if you had one of these cannons pointed right at me less than a hundred yards away going off about every minute. I don't think farming should be that intrusive, how about you?

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Yve Kosugi

Obviously I meant you.

Yve Kosugi
Yve Kosugi
  • Yve Kosugi

I am a farmer and I am surrounded by orchards and propane canon noise is common at certain times of year. Farmers are just doing what is cost effective and works to minimize damage to their crops. People will not spend any more money for their food & they will not buy bird pecked food. I tolerate the noise because I understand what the orchardists are up against. Having said that they should be calibrated to fire at a reasonable frequency. It's notnfarming that is intrusive, it's the...

I am a farmer and I am surrounded by orchards and propane canon noise is common at certain times of year. Farmers are just doing what is cost effective and works to minimize damage to their crops. People will not spend any more money for their food & they will not buy bird pecked food. I tolerate the noise because I understand what the orchardists are up against. Having said that they should be calibrated to fire at a reasonable frequency. It's notnfarming that is intrusive, it's the suburban creep into farm areas that is intrusive. Don't like the sounds and smells? Move down town.

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Yve Kosugi

So a home that has been on it's foundation over 20 years before the vineyard moved in should have to move eh? So you are fine with vineyards and orchards using pesticides and extremely high decibel explosions right next to where families live and kids play right? That is your opinion? And for what, so save a little money at the expense of others. Real nice indeed (<< sarcasm)!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  • Yve Kosugi

People will pay the cost if they don't have an option. So how about all you farmers stop making excuses and stop BEING the option??? Isn't it interesting how crops are more expensive now than they were 30-40 years ago (taking inflation into account) even though there was far more wastage then? And farmers were better off too. Keep upsetting the balance of nature for your own 'benefit' and all of mankind will suffer. (and yes, I grow my own produce. it's organic. And it's fine. And I...

People will pay the cost if they don't have an option. So how about all you farmers stop making excuses and stop BEING the option??? Isn't it interesting how crops are more expensive now than they were 30-40 years ago (taking inflation into account) even though there was far more wastage then? And farmers were better off too. Keep upsetting the balance of nature for your own 'benefit' and all of mankind will suffer. (and yes, I grow my own produce. it's organic. And it's fine. And I supplement it by buying organic produce locally at twice the cost of the local supermarket, in order to support the local farmers. I have no idea what a NIMBY is. I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be one. But I am a suburbanite - meaning I get to appreciate the city AND the country). I very much remember buying apples as a child and finding worms in them. I'm glad they're not in them now. But I'd rather pick the worms out than have to put up with farmers destroying the environment and blaming the consumers for it. As I said - don't give people a choice and they will pay what they need to.

Carol Kiley
Carol Kiley

I signed and sent it to 25 friends.

Leon Kiley
Leon Kiley
  • Carol Kiley

You Rock! Thank you so much. I love you.

Lindy Hinds
Lindy Hinds

This is ridiculous that this farmer could be so lazy and insensitive to not only other neighbors and birds, but to all wildlife and living beings in the area!

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Lindy Hinds

What is ridiculous is people who can't grasp all the plain,straight forward reasons and benefits for the cannons.i have lived near those,and near freeways also.Both one just gets used to.They are not that loud anyway.The freeway is worse,as the sounds are more irregular.And then to assume that "nature is so offended,it's a simple matter of keeping the birds from getting a free meal at the expense of people like you who would also complain if your produce was anything but pristine.

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Lindy Hinds

i live near train tracks now.They are noisy sometimes.Oh well.

Ana Gandley
Ana Gandley

Hang on...are they just used to make startling noise or do they actually shoot the birds? :/

Joe Henderson
Joe Henderson
  • Ana Gandley

noise

Ana Gandley
Ana Gandley
  • Ana Gandley

Hmm...IDK. Perhaps the person(s) upset by the noise could raise funds to buy an alternative for the farmer to use?

Peter Oshaughnessy
Peter Oshaughnessy

Cowards-Can't see video-I can imagine & vegan almost my whole life, I feel & cry for all the atrocities to defenseless innocent animals---My Heaven will be huge-every animal ever is innocent & stuck with instincts-Very few people may get there.

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Peter Oshaughnessy

Maybe you should eat some meat so that you may develop whats left of that atrophied brain.You do realize that they are only making it a place that is not comfortable to the birds,not harming them.So they can protect the produce,which you no doubt consume,and have to pay for.No doubt you are likely to be one of those who would not eat it if it didn't look pristine.

Peter Oshaughnessy
Peter Oshaughnessy
  • Peter Oshaughnessy

I bet the birds love it. I bet some birds do get killed. You wanna get personal-You are cruel and a super asshole-You love meat, huh? You're not going to hell-You're there-Must have a small brain like other parts probably. -That is why you are so angry-if your brain atrophied, it would be gone-Some mouth on you. Instant Karma will get YOU, MORON

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Peter Oshaughnessy

Well let's explain it to you There are no projectiles in the cannon.Just sound.Your sense of morality means nothing to me.Meat is for food.The crime is in that there is no appreciation for the sacrifice.No gratitude,and no respect.Of coarse that is due in large part to the fact that people think all produce comes out of a truck.No one has to kill what they will eat.My heaven,is that like your fantasy?Or do you have some evidence to support the idea.Whatever is,is.How you feel about it is irrelevant.

Nikki Amber
Nikki Amber

and fyi at the length of 2 or 3 football fields from your property I would imagine that you cant even see the cannon or barley hear it and your trying to make out like the farmer has it right against the fence and pointed at your house? I would guess that your stereo is louder to the farm then the cannon is to you.city folk should actually go out to the property before buying especially before buying the property that way you can meet the neighbors , not wait till after the purchase of the...

and fyi at the length of 2 or 3 football fields from your property I would imagine that you cant even see the cannon or barley hear it and your trying to make out like the farmer has it right against the fence and pointed at your house? I would guess that your stereo is louder to the farm then the cannon is to you.city folk should actually go out to the property before buying especially before buying the property that way you can meet the neighbors , not wait till after the purchase of the property and expect them to change how they operate their place of business. You wouldn't;t move next to a school and complain about the recess bell would you.

Menashe Llago
Menashe Llago
  • Nikki Amber

Nikki is doing a good job of laying down the facts.i think that farmers should get together,and have an autonomous region based on an agrarian lifestyle.Dedicated to providing the best for all who want to participate.Then people who don't like to be inconvenianced can just figure out how to feed themselves.

Nikki Amber
Nikki Amber

this is bull sh*t people this is the guy who has been harassing his neighbor since HE MOVED TO THE PROPERTY ABOUT 3 MONTHS AGO , the orchard has been there for years and this is pretty much a personal attack on the orchard the cannons are environmentally friendly and not load to begin with this site should be used to help victims who cant be heard not for personal satisfaction by a neighbor who wants to cause trouble if you don't like how the orchard conducts its day to day business why did...

this is bull sh*t people this is the guy who has been harassing his neighbor since HE MOVED TO THE PROPERTY ABOUT 3 MONTHS AGO , the orchard has been there for years and this is pretty much a personal attack on the orchard the cannons are environmentally friendly and not load to begin with this site should be used to help victims who cant be heard not for personal satisfaction by a neighbor who wants to cause trouble if you don't like how the orchard conducts its day to day business why did you move there to begin with? they have been told by the police and every other government official that they have contacted about this that the orchard is doing everything within its means and none of the other neighbors have a problem with the cannons which you can barley hear even with your windows open! IM appalled that you would even use this site for your personal vendetta against the orchard and suggest you should either buy the nets or move if it bothers you that much. Other wise I suggest the orchard presses harassment charges against you immediately.

Lynn Laviolette
Lynn Laviolette
  • Nikki Amber

Did you even BOTHER to listen and watch the video. I counted 3 bangs in 12 seconds, and this was through a closed window. So 3 bangs in 12 seconds works out to 15 bangs per minute, or 900 per hour or 21600 per day. NOBODY should have to listen to that for any reason. This would drive me nuts in 24 hours having to listen to that constantly.

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