I am not yet decided, I would choose one of the last 3 options. We do not get all of the facts, as much information is no longer shared with the public, media being in cooperation with Pharma and profits, plus there is an inundation of non-confirmed information on the internet, some true and much false. How can we make an educated decision? My beliefs are based on the current performance and abuse of Pharma and the medical industry as a whole as well as the history of epidemics.
Everyone knows that food, behavior and lifestyle have the greatest influence on our overall health and yet pills, pills and more pills are pushed every doctor visit with little discussion of what one is doing to cause their own suffering, profit being the main goal.
I was pregnant when the whole swine flu terrorism happened, OMG it's so bad, everyone in a doctors office is pushed to get it, then oh, actually it was not even as bad as the regular flu, sorry to have told you your baby could DIE if you don't do it. Sorry for preying on a first time new mother's natural fears.
I had chosen to have my daughter on a delayed schedule, she was only 12 percent weight of national average and all vaccines are the same, there are no individualized doses. We were on schedule, until the last visit, where the nurse took it upon herself to "catch her up" without consulting me. She was given two rounds, two visits worth of vaccines at once. When I complained, I was told that it was an acceptable amount of vaccines to give at one time. Thank goodness my daughter is fine.
I mostly blame myself for not being more knowledgeable and not micro-managing the situation. Didn't think it was necessary because who in their right mind would opt to give additional vaccines without consulting the parent first?
Terry, I don't know where you're getting your information from *now*, but it's wrong. The H1N1 flu was most dangerous to pregnant women-- generally, flu is most dangerous to the very young and immunocompromised and the elderly, but a full third of H1N1s victims were pregnant women. Hundreds of pregnant women died from it in this country. The advice you were given to get the vaccine was absolutely correct.
Body weight does not matter for vaccines. The vaccine dose for an infant and an...
Body weight does not matter for vaccines. The vaccine dose for an infant and an adult is the same. Body weight does not affect the strength of the immune response, and the amount of antigens in vaccines is already so tiny that it simply *cannot* be made smaller.
And the CDC schedule is based on everyone's best knowledge. The only thing you do by delaying vaccination is prolong the period in which your daughter is vulnerable to disease. And the more unvaccinated kids there are out there, the more possible vectors for disease there are. Most places have already dipped well below the level of herd immunity. And here is where your daughter being underweight IS dangerous, because if she actually catches one of the diseases, she may not have the resources to fight off a full-blown infection without danger.
Doctors and nurses are not evil. They don't like seeing kids die, or end up in hospital. It's actually pretty important that you listen to the people who have a career in pediatric practice, not scaremongering on the internet, much of which IS inaccurate.
We have a good doctor, thanks for that clarification. I didn't say my daughter is underweight. She is absolutely perfect. Considering about %50 of children are obese in the US, only puts my kid at a lower percentile while being perfectly healthy. Having been breastfed for the first two years and never having to rely on formula or cows milk as the #1 nutritional source; gives her, quite noticeably, a greater resistance to illness and much shorter term of illness as her peers.
Other ingredients in the vaccines may be controversial as to whether they are good for us at any amount.
100 women in the US were hospitalized from the second strain of H1N1. About 1/3 died.
Terry Kendall Schnitzler I'm in the UK. Having said that, I exaggerated -- unintentionally; I was confusing UK with European statistics.
For a little bit of perspective, the 1918 Spanish flu which killed more people than WWI, had a mortality rate in childbearing women who were hospitalised with it of between 30-70%; and this was in the days before sterile wards and antibiotics, where you would have expected a much higher death rate than now. The overall mortality rate across the...
For a little bit of perspective, the 1918 Spanish flu which killed more people than WWI, had a mortality rate in childbearing women who were hospitalised with it of between 30-70%; and this was in the days before sterile wards and antibiotics, where you would have expected a much higher death rate than now. The overall mortality rate across the population of the 1918 flu was 2.5%; the mortality rate profile for H1N1 was frighteningly similar in confirmed cases. As well, by 2009 people knew it put pregnant women at 5x the risk of either stillbirth or their babies dying between 24 weeks gestation-1 week after birth. That's not trivial. Yes, your baby COULD die if you got it. When people told you to get the vaccine, they were not "preying on your fears", they were going by the best information to keep you and your baby safe, not knowing what speed the flu was spreading at, or if you were going to be exposed. The "not as bad as regular flu"? That part wasn't so much real.
I understand now that you weren't saying that your daughter was underweight. Sorry about the misinterpretation. Do you get what I'm saying, though, about the fact that vaccines are not computed on body weight for a reason? Infants mount an immune response in pretty much the same way that adults do, and that's all the vaccine is there to do, to provoke an immune response. Vaccines are not drugs, that interact with metabolism.
And while breastmilk absolutely helps protect your infant, it can only confer immunity against things that you yourself have an immune response to. If you had not had either the flu or vaccine, then both you and your infant would be vulnerable. With the vaccine, your infant shares the protection.
As for the "other ingredients" that anti-vaccinationists love to scare people with:
1. Some are genuinely not even in the shots. ("antifreeze", for example, is one thing frequently claimed.)
2. Many are already in your body, because they are actually produced by your own metabolism already -- for example, glycine and formaldehyde. You and your daughter both have and amount of these in you, produced by your own cells, at least four orders of magnitude larger than what you get in a vaccine jab.
3. Many things are already in you because they are ubiquitous in food, liquid, and the environment -- for example, aluminum. Aluminum is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust, none of us is free of it. Besides which, and importantly: in vaccines, the aluminum is given in the form of aluminum salts, a compound which has as much in common with elemental aluminum as table salt has with chlorine gas. It provokes a localised pain and swelling -- on purpose, because otherwise vaccines have so little antigen in them that the body clears them away without ever bothering to gear up an immune response -- but the aluminum salts are not integrated into cells, and are cleared by the body within a few days.
4. And finally, many of the scary-scary substances are harmful, but only in amounts MUCH larger than you're getting. That's not guesswork. Dose-response curves are an important basic concept in medicine, they are part of all the calculations of what goes into shots.
So many people are so quick to say "do your research", but I'll bet not one of you knows the difference between qualitative and quantitative research, at least not without Googling it first... case in point.
Nothing wrong with qualitative research... as long as it's accurate.
and applied to the correct field of study. determining if an investigation into side effects is necessary is for qualitative research, hence VAERS. the investigation itself is for quantitative research.
Are you a shiller Martin? Someone paid to spread misinformation?
We know that everything contained in a Vaccine is nothing but a foreign body within the blood stream and that would naturally cause an immune response a cocktail of poison, Thiomersal (Mercury) in vaccines like many other vaccine ingredients do cause neurological disorders and physical disabilities. Get the vaccine and you carry the disease, the virus will grow within the body, when Thiomersal etc destroy the immune system. Multiple vaccines and the weight difference in a 4lb baby compared...
We know that everything contained in a Vaccine is nothing but a foreign body within the blood stream and that would naturally cause an immune response a cocktail of poison, Thiomersal (Mercury) in vaccines like many other vaccine ingredients do cause neurological disorders and physical disabilities. Get the vaccine and you carry the disease, the virus will grow within the body, when Thiomersal etc destroy the immune system. Multiple vaccines and the weight difference in a 4lb baby compared to a 150lb man does show how corrupt the vaccine industry is regardless of any health concerns. The truth will always be right and you can cover it up but it will always be there. Vaccines do contain nanoparticles and that in it self will cause autoimmune disorders and autoimmune disease. Anything said about vaccines by the corrupt health service the truth is known to be the opposite and one day all them involved in crimes of vaccine poisoning will be held responsible and pay for the crimes of genocide and causing harm. Vaccine Scientists of today are the big criminals and all who defend them, you claim you have done your research and that prevents your defense in a court. Mercury is harmful and deadly.The cause of Autism is not fully understood because of the corruption existing in that vaccinated children do suffer the condition shortly after the shots and who knows the true effects of aluminum and Mercury in multiple vaccines. to single out Autism and mercury is simply a distraction from the truth that vaccines to harm and kill. A prolonged antibody responses shows that there is are foreign bodies present and that does not mean protection from vaccines just the opposite is happening. Lies,lies and more lies is the political pharmaceutical response on vaccines, depopulation is the aim. There is not one safe vaccine, no vaccine is necessary and they are not effective in any way but to harm. Propaganda and vaccines are killing more and more and harming too.
You just ignore everything that resembles logic, don't you? It's really sad how much you think you know about vaccines, and yet actually know absolutely nothing. The weight of a person has nothing to do with the capabilities of their immune system. Vaccines save lives. You can deny it all you like, but there is no grand conspiracy. There is no vaccine crime except that committed by people who neglect to provide the available protection from diseases to their children. You are terribly...
You just ignore everything that resembles logic, don't you? It's really sad how much you think you know about vaccines, and yet actually know absolutely nothing. The weight of a person has nothing to do with the capabilities of their immune system. Vaccines save lives. You can deny it all you like, but there is no grand conspiracy. There is no vaccine crime except that committed by people who neglect to provide the available protection from diseases to their children. You are terribly deluded to believe the way you do, and your children will suffer for it. I pity them - and hope the consequences of your decisions teach you something one day.
Children will suffer from not getting vaccines? First off being in a natural state is not suffering. My sons's had all their vaccines they were SICK with infections (ears, sinus, throat, respirator and stomach) constantly Constantly my second son lost all his language, lost eye contact and became autistic. My oldest has ADHD. I have never vaccinated my daughter and she's been sick with a fever 4xs in her entire life. The boys were sick with fever over 4xs in the first 6 months of life.
Stephanie, all this is coincidental and anecdotal. Vaccines did not cause these things to happen to your children. You have two boys, one with autism, one with ADHD and a daughter, but you don't tell us what her disability is, nor do you say she doesn't have one. You are making wildly ridiculous claims and trying to prove something that large epidemiological scientific studies have disproved multiple times, with your three children. Your personal experience isn't enough to counter decades of...
Stephanie, all this is coincidental and anecdotal. Vaccines did not cause these things to happen to your children. You have two boys, one with autism, one with ADHD and a daughter, but you don't tell us what her disability is, nor do you say she doesn't have one. You are making wildly ridiculous claims and trying to prove something that large epidemiological scientific studies have disproved multiple times, with your three children. Your personal experience isn't enough to counter decades of large population studies that tell us otherwise. You are not a scientist, medical professional, and clearly have no understanding of how the immune system and vaccinations work if you can come here and make these claims that have been refuted by science multiple times.
Hidden CDC Data Confirms Vaccine-Autism Link.
A newly published study in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences, the official journal of the Worl d Federation of Neurology, links mercury from the Thimerosal in vaccines with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.
This study represents six years worth of effort by independent researchers to gain access to hidden US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data in the Vaccine Safety...
This study represents six years worth of effort by independent researchers to gain access to hidden US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data in the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). In 2003, the Government Reform Committee of the US House of Representatives asserted, “(a)ccess by independent researchers to the Vaccine Safety Datalink database is needed for independent replication and validation of CDC studies regarding exposure of infants to mercury-containing vaccines and autism."
Nonetheless, this new analysis of some of the data in the carefully guarded VSD database, documenting the mercury poisoning of a generation of American children, would never have been possible without the intervention of Congressional leaders, parent autism advocacy groups, and legal experts. Ironically, only a few independent researchers have gained even this limited level of restricted access to the VSD database, despite the fact that the VSD Project is funded by hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.
The new study, led by Dr. Heather Young, Ph.D., a professor of epidemiology at the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services, examined the CDC-supplied medical vaccination records from the VSD of 278,624 children, born from 1990 through 1996.
This study calculated the average mercury exposure children incurred from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines, by year of birth, during their first year of life. After calculating average mercury exposure by year of birth, the study then estimated the prevalence rates of various medical diagnoses for children born in each of the years examined.
The prevalence rate of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders correlated with the average mercury exposure children received: increasing/decreasing levels of mercury exposure from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines resulted in corresponding trends in prevalence rates of these diagnoses. By contrast, medical outcomes presumed to be unrelated to mercury exposure did not correlate with the average levels of mercury exposure from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines.
Depending upon the specific neurodevelopmental disorder examined (autism, autism spectrum disorder, tics, emotional disturbance, attention deficit disorder-hyperactivity disorder, and developmental/learning disorder), the observed overall risk of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders was significantly higher (about 2- to 6- fold) following an additional 100 micrograms of mercury exposure. For autism alone, the overall risk was about 2.5-fold higher following an additional 100 micrograms of mercury exposure.
These results demonstrate that the suspicions of those serving on the Government Reform Committee were correct: “…(t)o date, studies conducted or funded by the CDC that purportedly dispute any correlation between autism and vaccine injury have been of poor design, under-powered, and fatally flawed. The CDC’s rush to support and promote such research is reflective of a philosophical conflict in looking fairly at emerging theories and clinical data related to adverse reactions from vaccinations."
To financially support further research conducted by independent investigators in the VSD, please use the PayPal link on CoMeD’s website, http://www.mercury-freedrugs.org, for your tax-deductible contributions. CoMeD, Inc. is a not-for-profit 501(c)(3) corporation actively engaged in legal, educational and scientific efforts to stop all use of mercury in medicine, and to ban the use of all mercury-containing medicines.
I've now spelled it out for you. THE CDC ADMISSION. Get your head out of the sand and start paying attention to EVERYTHING...not just the parts you feel are important to push your agenda.
Mindy...u still argueing with those crackheads about how they THINK vaccines don't cause autism? Smh apprently they don't have children...
Apparently, Erwin Alber is commenting here, but I can't see it... it's a shame, really, I was looking forward to having a laugh. I will come back later and see if it has updated.
true.. I see that name pop up too... Can't see any posts.. Just as well.. There is enough crap here without his nonsense too.
I haven't banned him on this action. I probably banned him on another action and he's stayed banned. I really don't know how these comments work.
The only thing toxic in here is your psychotic projection, "Pauline Zender". Nearly everyone else is playing quite nicely, for the most part. You're just expatiating disingenuous diatribe like a regular belligerent undesirable anti-vax nutcase.
Thanks to Meryl Dorey and her vile flying monkeys, the numbers are now jacked. Cheers anti vaxers for being the pox on society that you are.
Erwin, you are a slobbering, anti Semitic, homophobic nut job. Why would anybody take anything you say seriously?
Wow, zen, that was so well articulated... I'm always impressed by this stack of new words antivax nutjobs invent because their own vocabulary suffers so much to actually just use a real one.
drzen007... you are clearly , not a doctor, not zen, and definitely not James Bond..
woo -- is 'alt med'
anti vaxers love woo..
you are anti vax
drzen007 = woo
drzen, you wouldn't know science if it slapped you with a Higgs Boson. Go froth at the mouth somewhere else.
Pauline Zender Poe's law only applies to Hitler references. I think we need a new law for Stalin references. And by the way, on this poll no comments have been removed at all except by the commenter. The comments are run on a Facebook app by causes.com. I hate the way they work but there's nothing I can do about it.
Pauline, you are doing exactly what you accuse Martin of doing, you nothing to back up your claims, you sound like a hysterical member of some creepy cult, where you know the truth and everyone else is evil, and you resort to name calling and insulting people because they don't believe what you believe. Nice one, you are exactly want I expect from a vaccine denier. Why don't you go to Africa and apologise to the one child that dies there from measles ever single second?
Congratulations on resorting to the communist derivative of Godwin's law. And what has anagrams of my name got to do with anything, Pauline? My profile pic has nothing to do with anything (Oh, by they way, it was taken on a digital camera, cropped, and the sepia tones added with photoshop if you MUST know). I'm actually Australian, but I GUESS your guesses prove absolutely nothing either, so what do they matter, right? Everything else you said in your wall of text just comes across as "I...
Congratulations on resorting to the communist derivative of Godwin's law. And what has anagrams of my name got to do with anything, Pauline? My profile pic has nothing to do with anything (Oh, by they way, it was taken on a digital camera, cropped, and the sepia tones added with photoshop if you MUST know). I'm actually Australian, but I GUESS your guesses prove absolutely nothing either, so what do they matter, right? Everything else you said in your wall of text just comes across as "I have no idea what I'm really talking about, and no new material, so I'm just going to call you names and try to make you cry." I don't care what you call me, it doesn't change the science, it doesn't change that you're wrong, and the punitive nature of your petty comparisons to war criminals and name calling only serves to demonstrate how completely deluded you are.
But, nice work on the 8-hour old sock puppet, 'Pauline', I see now why you think I'm someone else pretending to be someone else blah blah blahg - because it's the way your deluded mind thinks.
So, is "Pauline Zender" your real name, then? Or a bit closer to it, at least, then "Dr Zen". Seriously, the mouth froth just turned into flying spittle... I pity your PC.
Some vaccinations have so severe side effects that the risks are higher than the illness and risks of allergic reaction also never good
The risk you take against the diseases without the protection offered by vaccination is far greater.
Sue Dick, this is again false. Measles is never "a minor illness" -- it is a very serious illness, with a high complication rate, including in otherwise healthy and well-nourished kids -- and the immunity from the vaccine we know from specific monitoring lasts at LEAST 15 years and is actually likely to be lifelong.
Even the issue of maternal antibodies is addressed -- yes, vaccinated women can and do pass on maternal antibodies which protect against measles, although they wane faster than those antibodies resulting from infection - but oh yes, they do exist.
As for measles not being...
As for measles not being serious...we have your word, and only your word, on how "mild" the illness was for three children, vs.:
("For example, some consider measles a benign disease,2 and one that may even enhance a child's immune system, yet of the 270 people who died from measles between 1970 and 1983, 144 (53%) were healthy children with no predisposing illnesses.')
("Measles is an important cause of child mortality that has a seemingly paradoxical interaction with the immune system. In most individuals, the immune response is successful in eventually clearing measles virus (MV) infection and in establishing life-long immunity. However, infection is also associated with persistence of viral RNA and several weeks of immune suppression, including loss of delayed type hypersensitivity responses and increased susceptibility to secondary infections.")
You're trying to extrapolate from your single-digit number of children that measles is mild, while ignoring all the recorded dead. The dead, obviously, are not here to speak for themselves.
And, here's the thing: since you dislike the vaccine so much, you should actually be encouraging universal vaccination -- like smallpox, this disease is a candidate for complete eradication, and if this can be done then, like smallpox, the general population would no longer need the vaccine at all!
Now, I've given you some real information - cite YOUR sources.
Your three children, and your own observations of their case of measles, is not a very good overall representative population study, and certainly not a basis for saying measles is a mundane condition. Try telling that to the people that have died from measles... oh, wait...
Fine, tell you what, you go and expose yourself to a full-fledged case of wild measles, and tell us how it goes. You think there's no risk? Go prove it, moron. Dr Zen, why are you here? you're obviously a complete moron, how did you even learn how to use a computer?
Everyone who has ever been vaccinated has been vaccine damage/ immune altered it is inevitable the only variable is to what extent and whether it is noticeable. THEY ARE TOXIC INJECTIONS wake up! Why is it that science says you shouldn't eat, drink, breathe or even touch some the ingredients in vaccines but for big pharma it is ok to inject these very things into your newborn babies body and bloodstream just because they say so and regardless of babies dropping dead or into instant...
Everyone who has ever been vaccinated has been vaccine damage/ immune altered it is inevitable the only variable is to what extent and whether it is noticeable. THEY ARE TOXIC INJECTIONS wake up! Why is it that science says you shouldn't eat, drink, breathe or even touch some the ingredients in vaccines but for big pharma it is ok to inject these very things into your newborn babies body and bloodstream just because they say so and regardless of babies dropping dead or into instant convulsions or anaphylactic shock or brain damage caused by encephalitis or even the vaccine induced disease itself, that which you may never even contract in your lifetime in not for these terribly man made "cure" (which it is not) and even if you do contract the disease itself do to avoiding vaccines even the vaccinated are still contracting them and the disease itself would build your god given natural immune system without the added toxicity effects. It just makes sense no matter how you look at it.
People get anaphalaxia over many things in the environment, are they evil too? Should we ban shell fish? Or peanuts?
Bridie Burke: and pollen. I can't believe pollen is still legal in this country.
"Inject into bloodstream" <-- argument: invalid
We are not forcing or pushing shellfish and peanuts on everyone including newborns are we Bridie? and besides there are allot more ingredients in vaccines to be allergic to besides stand alone foods, and therefor many more chances of adverse reactions from allergy alone and that is without mentioning the heavy metals and toxins all together. I should know my vaccine injured son is allergic to 4 of the ingredients in vaccines, that I now know of. and he is just one of many children in this...
We are not forcing or pushing shellfish and peanuts on everyone including newborns are we Bridie? and besides there are allot more ingredients in vaccines to be allergic to besides stand alone foods, and therefor many more chances of adverse reactions from allergy alone and that is without mentioning the heavy metals and toxins all together. I should know my vaccine injured son is allergic to 4 of the ingredients in vaccines, that I now know of. and he is just one of many children in this actuality. unfortunately the CDC and big pharma do not put any value in preventative testing when it comes to vaccinations such as allergy testing and testing/screening for mitochondrial and auto immune conditions/disorders or simple blood tests to check organ functions such as liver and kidney which will be affected during the process of vaccination absorption or test the infants ability to detoxify heavy metals and toxins via the liver. Why, if these test are available, and they are, are they not putting them to use? Even if they spend a million $ through proper testing each time, they would be able to weed out the children who may die or have ongoing health damage as a result of vaccines. This action would not only save/spare many of those children's lives which is my objective, but they would still be saving money (their objective) as it takes millions of dollars to raise each special needs child properly and the fact the the parent if lucky and rich enough can then go and sue the government for more so in the end it would cost allot more also lets not leave out those who have lost a child to vaccines all together, their is no amount of money that will ever bring their child back. To continue the way we are is to purposely cause harm to those who otherwise could have been spared no matter how you look at it. Personally I have lost all faith in the vaccination program but even the hardcore vaxers would have to agree that what I just said makes sense and put into perspective, at least the needless and preventable vaccine injuries. or is this not obvious to you(s)? Honestly?
Absolutely, I have always said (look at my posts below) that vaccine reactions and adverse events happen, everyone knows this. What I query is the volume, if you look at the data it is around 1 in 1 million that suffers anaphalaxia from a vaccine, but the anti vax movement always try and inflate the figures to make vaccines seems scary, evil and worthless.
They also deny constantly that vaccine preventable diseases cause death and long term health issues. I mean really - is that not obvious...
They also deny constantly that vaccine preventable diseases cause death and long term health issues. I mean really - is that not obvious to you?
You can say, I choose not to vax, I don't feel comfortable with it, and that wouldn't bother me at all. But if people start going on about vaccine preventable diseases never hurting anyone, vaccines being poison and have never done any good, then I will say something about it. Because that is not true. It is a lie.
As to "forcing vaccines on children", we don't do that in my country, luckily 90%+ parents are smart enough to follow medical advice. I have never agreed with forced vaccinations myself. Which is why it is even more important to make sure the anti vax pulled up when they lie.
Mistie: you need to forgive yourself. Without prior knowledge of your son's allergies, you were doing the best thing at the time for his health by having him vaccinated.
It's not a matter of "sacrificing a few for the sake of the many" as I read so often --- it's a matter of doing what's best for the individual, on the basis of statistics, and in the absence of known contraindications, vaccinating is the safest choice.
Parents of children with food allergies don't beat themselves up over...
Parents of children with food allergies don't beat themselves up over the first time their child had a reaction, and parents of children who have bad reactions to vaccines also shouldn't be burdened by thoughts like, "I should have known."
Hey Daniel, I know you have no control over the comments, and I have enjoyed taking part in your poll and commenting, etc. I keep getting notifications of new comments, but I can't ever find them, at least not before the page refreshes and I have to start my search all over again. By that time, it's been an hour and I'm too frustrated to continue. I wanted to thank you for allowing me to participate, but I think I'm going to call my participation good.
To everyone else: If you would like...
To everyone else: If you would like to friend me, send me a request. We can continue chatting in private. Take care!
I know how you feel. It's been a challenge for me too - I haven't read it all, and when I get a notice I can't find the comment either. We should all write to Facebook and let them know. I think Causes is working on their own system. Hope so and hope it's better than this one.
Thanks for participating.
Polio is caused by pollution and it is not a virus. Google it. Also viruses are all dead and they need something cellular to be active, medical fact!
Still seeing no other comments when notifications are saying they are here.
Hi can u not comment on my status? I dont know if u can comment on people status via facebook if your not their friend but i would just click the persons name and comment there?
Then it should come up on your wall.