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Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein

I've left the poll pretty much alone. I haven't eliminated any comments. I've even broken my own rule that anyone who chooses to use the word "sheeple" has nothing to say and should be immediately banned. But I'm beginning to think this entire action has by hijacked by various antivax groups. 45% voting for never ever is ridiculous. I'm considering deleting this entire poll, or starting to be a more active moderator. Thoughts?

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Daniel Weinstein

while i do enjoy the debates...It is up to you..
Like the comments sections of youtube videos... The vocal minority is here... and they have come with all their usual suspects of misinformation..

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Daniel Weinstein

don't delete it. polls prove nothing, they are not science. online opinion polls can also be fooled by hackers, and the "sample population" privy to the poll may be influenced by any number of people.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Daniel Weinstein

Sue Dick I try to follow the comments and the level of unpleasantness seems to be increasing. I don't care if antivaxxers break the poll, but I don't want the level of debate to descend too far into name calling. The Immunisation Initiative is about promoting vaccination and awareness of vaccination in our communities. It's not designed to be a debating society for antivaxxers.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Daniel Weinstein

Did you remove my post Daniel?

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Daniel Weinstein

So just because you aren't receiving the answers that coincide with your own beliefs...you silence it and hide it? I am not an "anti-vaxxer" nor was I brought here by any group or asked to do so. I came here on my own free will. I am not "pro-vaccines" nor am I "anti-vaccine"...I am "pro-cleaner vaccines...but until they are cleaned up...I don't want them touching my child ever again. My son was developing normally, walked at 9 months...he was running at 10 months, talked early, etc. He was...

So just because you aren't receiving the answers that coincide with your own beliefs...you silence it and hide it? I am not an "anti-vaxxer" nor was I brought here by any group or asked to do so. I came here on my own free will. I am not "pro-vaccines" nor am I "anti-vaccine"...I am "pro-cleaner vaccines...but until they are cleaned up...I don't want them touching my child ever again. My son was developing normally, walked at 9 months...he was running at 10 months, talked early, etc. He was not only given MMR vaccine at the time he became violently ill, but he had even been given TOO many MMR shots. One was not written down by the nurse at the time all his other shots were given. She said he needed another one so the date could be filled in. I told her I knew he had received it the day marked as all the others. She said she could not do that but he still needed another one. I specifically asked her if an extra one would harm him. The answer I was given, "No. Not at all". This was before anything about vaccines/autism was ever brought up. If you delete your poll, you are becoming part of the problem...just like our government, CDC, FDA, and Big Pharma...sweeping the REAL problem under the rug. If you can not see it, it doesn't exist.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Daniel Weinstein

Suzy Que I haven't removed any posts whatsoever from this poll. If you read you'll find plenty of silly, offensive and dumb things being said. If I was going to start deleting they mostly be gone by now.

Lauren Stone
Lauren Stone

We do not vaccinate, Period. Vaccines are ineffective at best and deadly dangerous at worst.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

and that's why millions of people are alive today and fully vaccinated, and all those diseases that used to be so common are now in a decline. do you lot just ignore the concept of logic entirely, or simply have no grasp of it? /derp

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Lauren Stone

that is the 'death' rate... Look at the 'incidence' rate.. Drops off right around the vaccine introduction..
The reason these 'death' graphs look so good to anti-vaccine webpages is that they mislead the reader.... 'Death' rates of people with the disease declined because medical treatment was improving, meaning the risk of death when you had caught the disease was reduced. Anti-vax sites don't like to show the 'incidence' graphs because the number of people catching the disease fell away to almost 0 after vaccines are introduced..

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

Christopher Panzer indeed, mortality from those diseases was in decline. incidences, however, were not. incidences of diseases did not decline in a substantial manner until after the vaccine was introduced. and as long as there are incidences, then the diseases are allowed to continue to incubate and threaten people's lives

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

and please, a homeopath claiming to be an expert of any kind on "advanced medicine"... that is a joke, right?

Lauren Stone
Lauren Stone
  • Lauren Stone

Good hygiene and sanitation has done more to improve people's health and cut down on disease than any vaccine ever has.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

No, it only went so far as to reduce mortality. Vaccines have reduced incidence, and can do so to the point where vaccine preventable diseases can be wiped out entirely.

Don Carter
Don Carter

Please Parents,

Make sure you have your doctor or health care provider administer the recommended vaccines to your children. The recommended schedule is posted by the CDC. Children more than adults are in larger groups of individual people at schools and at public places. Vaccines for children are approved by all major health care providers. You take more risk by not having your children vaccinated according to recommend schedules than you can absolutely know.

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey
  • Don Carter

That depends on the child Don Carter.

Lori Harvey
Lori Harvey
  • Don Carter

You want to vaccinate your kids & take chances with the toxins go right ahead BUT don't tell me what to do with my kids. Neither one of my kids have had their vaccines & they are healthier than their counter parts in school.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Don Carter

Are you privy to the private medical records of the kids at school to confirm this assertion? Perhaps such a comparison is beyond your current knowledge base, and you should reconsider what you think you know. On that matter, I'm sure you're about to tell me you've "done your research," as we all have, but I would wonder how much you've analysed that research. All research requires critical analysis and synthesis in order to form a truly informed opinion.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Don Carter

Martin Bouckaert : Out of curiosity, do you also agree with the over-medicating of our youth for supposed behavior issues etc? ADD ADHD ASD

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Don Carter

I don't agree with overmedicating anyone. However, determining if someone is being "overmedicated" is a matter for professionals to determine. For example, if you feel a child from another family, for example, is "overmedicated", but you are not professionally qualified to determine so, then for one thing it's none of your business whatsoever, and for another, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Don Carter

that's exactly how they want you to think. Congrats you're a grad A student.

Andrew Kennedy
Andrew Kennedy

Why the argument? Thank goodness for vaccines old Louis Pasteur got it right!

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Andrew Kennedy

Absolutely! He was right way back then .... when there was little sanitation, or even worse little knowledge of how to keep certain areas clean. Way back when seeing the doctor was a agonizing wagon ride for hours! But that's not the case today. I believe that they were good. But I do not believe they are good or necessary in 2012. And I'm not alone ... 62% of those answered question the safety of today's vaccines.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Andrew Kennedy

This is a perfect example of how anti-vaxers misrepresent science ^ she thinks the internet poll results are some kind of support that she's right.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Andrew Kennedy

Dianna Donnelly -- yes, 62% of the people here, because at least one of the anti-vaccination sites unleashed their faithful on the poll.

And if you get people to stop taking vaccines now, those diseases will come roaring back and kids will start dying from them again. Shame on you for wanting that.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Andrew Kennedy

wow, so very informed and now shame on you for wanting the deaths of children. You are going to hell. Blessed be thy Jesus and let me enter into his kingdom. - Losing Credibility

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Andrew Kennedy

in this one, Lynne, you do sound like someone re-preaching the sermon.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Andrew Kennedy

No, sorry, hell is a nice scare tactic, but it doesn't work on people that don't believe in it. Please provide evidence of hell, or all your credibility flies out the airlock. No one wants children dead, but here's a fun fact - diseases kill. Lynne's just pointing that out - stop vaccinating, and the diseases start killing. We're here trying to STOP that because we DON'T want kids dying, but by some incredible leap of logic (or lack thereof) you've managed to accuse her of wanting kids dead....

No, sorry, hell is a nice scare tactic, but it doesn't work on people that don't believe in it. Please provide evidence of hell, or all your credibility flies out the airlock. No one wants children dead, but here's a fun fact - diseases kill. Lynne's just pointing that out - stop vaccinating, and the diseases start killing. We're here trying to STOP that because we DON'T want kids dying, but by some incredible leap of logic (or lack thereof) you've managed to accuse her of wanting kids dead. I don't think anyone wants kids dead, but if we all stop vaccinating, then kids are gonna start dying again.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Andrew Kennedy

"Shame on you for wanting that.('that' being kids dying)" - Lynne to Dianna.

I've lost interest in this commentary. There is nothing new here, just people insulting and putting each other down and posing as if they have all the answers. I care that I have the right to choose, not trying to take choices away from others.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Andrew Kennedy

Terry Kendall Schnitzler , every time and everywhere that vaccination rates have dropped, there have been outbreaks of disease and often, children have died. That is historical and recent recorded fact. I'm not playing a "YOU'LL GO TO HELL" game, I'm pointing out that this IS, essentially, what Dianna is advocating for by trying to stop people from vaccinating.

It seems like you are looking for something to be offended at so that you don't have to pay attention to the real content of what is actually being said.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Andrew Kennedy

Funny you should mention how people are putting others down after you just condemned Lynne to to your mythical. It's also telling how you would accuse people who are quite well educated on the matter, due to them being professionals in the field, of "posing" when they obviously have far more answers than you do.

You don't get to accuse people of posing with all the answers if you don't have any yourself. Sorry, that's not how things work in the real world.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly

So... out of curiosity, do you have faith in all vaccines? What about Gardasil?

Michael Kyriacou
Michael Kyriacou
  • Dianna Donnelly

Id much rather blow my brains out than give any of my loved ones any type of vaccination!!!! Im a hugely proud parent of an unvaccinated child!!!!!!!!

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

so glad you didn't ;-)

Don Carter
Don Carter
  • Dianna Donnelly

Perhaps your pride in your choice not to vaccinate your child is misdirected pride. Perhaps you are putting your child at risk and are actually negligent because of your misguided ideology.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Dianna Donnelly

Michael Kyriacou, I'd much rather have gotten 3 needles than had part of my cervix lasered away after an abnormal pap smear. Horses for courses, I guess?

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

Evidence is showing that Gardasil DOES NOT protect you. So there's a good chance you'd still have gotten cervical cancer.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Dianna Donnelly

False. What evidence?

Because all the studies I've seen have demonstrated good protection, now up to ten years after vaccination.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Dianna Donnelly

It wasn't cancer yet, but considering that high-grade changes occurred in no more than two years, it seemed best to get rid of it. Thanks for the concern, though.

Evidence is showing the the vaccines are protective, with pros and cons for Cervarix and Gardasil (compared to each other). Let me know if these links aren't freely accessible and I'll put them in my dropbox for your perusal:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/81164518g536524v/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22920953

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

Gardasil accounts for more than 60% of the adverse reactions reported to the national Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS).

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly

"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others." --Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

I love that in Canada I can choose! So go on exhausting yourselves like wing-seeking angels helping us ignorant backwards thinkers to see the truth. IS THIS A SCHOOL PROJECT MARTY? ANDREA? Or do you work for this VACCINE INITIATIVE group? At least if you were getting paid I could see some point in your blind following. Either way, good luck on the project. I hope you get graded well.

Off to make some more choices and spread the truth about this VACCINE SCAM big Pharma is playing...

I love that in Canada I can choose! So go on exhausting yourselves like wing-seeking angels helping us ignorant backwards thinkers to see the truth. IS THIS A SCHOOL PROJECT MARTY? ANDREA? Or do you work for this VACCINE INITIATIVE group? At least if you were getting paid I could see some point in your blind following. Either way, good luck on the project. I hope you get graded well.

Off to make some more choices and spread the truth about this VACCINE SCAM big Pharma is playing right now.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A GUINEA PIG TO BIG PHARMA! THEY ARE USING YOUR FOR THEIR PROFIT.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others." --Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

Never heard of him. So i looked him up. Seems Dr Robert Mendelsohn was a typical anti-science nut. That claim, like many other anti-science claims, is not supported by science.

William Dziekanowski
William Dziekanowski
  • Dianna Donnelly

Just because you post something 5 times ,doesn't make it true^

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

No, the evidence makes it true. I only posted it once - this Causes site is buggy as hell.

William Dziekanowski
William Dziekanowski
  • Dianna Donnelly

That i can see for myself..lol... Martin keep this in mind , The same people who said Celebrex is safe, PhenFen is safe, and 1300 other banned Rx say "vaccines are safe".All reports and studies and clinical trials are edited when paid for by the Manufacturer.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Dianna Donnelly

Actually, these are not the same people at all; the people saying vaccines are safe are the ones saying PhenFen was *unsafe*, and it was the "alt-med" folks claiming it was safe!

William Dziekanowski
William Dziekanowski
  • Dianna Donnelly

I would also like to add the Meningitis outbreak of spinal injections was also " safe" The plant was fined after 20+ people died.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que

From: http://www.askdrsears.com/?q=topics/vaccines/government-and-cdc-finally-agree-do-extensive-research-vaccine-safety-maybe.

"For those of you who are saying, “Wait – they HAVE researched it extensively and have proven there is NO link between vaccines and autism.” Well, that’s not exactly accurate. To date, no study has “proven” there is no link. Many studies have “failed to demonstrate a causative relationship between vaccines and autism” – in essence, showing there probably is no...

From: http://www.askdrsears.com/?q=topics/vaccines/government-and-cdc-finally-agree-do-extensive-research-vaccine-safety-maybe.

"For those of you who are saying, “Wait – they HAVE researched it extensively and have proven there is NO link between vaccines and autism.” Well, that’s not exactly accurate. To date, no study has “proven” there is no link. Many studies have “failed to demonstrate a causative relationship between vaccines and autism” – in essence, showing there probably is no link, or even there is almost definitely no link. But that is a very far cry from “proving for sure that there is no link.” What they HAVE done so far is use population-based statistical analyses (epidemiological studies) to determine that vaccines probably don’t cause autism. But no large prospective study has yet to be done using unvaccinated children as a large control group to have something to compare the vaccinated children to. This is really the gold standard for coming as close as we can to proving something is safe. And that’s the type of research the government had, up until now, refused to do. And we are not just talking about autism. There are so many other theoretical reactions to vaccines that have never been adequately studied. We’ve just written them off as so rare we won’t worry about them. Finally, after years of public pressure, the government has agreed to do the research.

Maybe.

Here are a few highlights of what the NVAC recommended the CDC begin doing research on (if it is found to be feasible):

Identifying subsets of our population that may be at higher risk of suffering a severe vaccine reaction, such as those with mitochondrial dysfunction, autoimmune diseases, autoimmune family histories, and genetic predispositions.

Accurately determine the statistical incidences of various reported severe reactions like encephalitis, encephalopathy, seizures, autoimmune reactions, demyelinating disorders, and autism.

The risks of reactions for babies with a prior reaction or with a family history of reactions in the parents.

Study various alternative vaccine schedules, including comparing reactions with multiple vaccinations to fewer vaccinations.

Study specific and individual vaccine chemical ingredients, including animal toxicology research (hey, I thought they would have already studied each and every vaccine ingredient in animals before they started giving them to us?)

These issues have always sat in the back of my mind as unanswered questions. And the absence of unvaccinated control groups in vaccine research has probably been the one single factor that has always weighed heavily in my mind regarding vaccines. To date, such control groups have always been infants receiving the current vaccine schedule minus the new vaccine that is being studied. But now there are just way too many vaccines to consider such a group as a placebo control."

Lets hope this study can be done and that us "anti Vaxes" are wrong, but until then, nobody here, for OR against, can claim such righteousness as has been a large part of this polls discussion. But in the meantime everybody has the right to their choice to decide what is right for them and their own family. Whether your fear is of the vaccines or your fear is of the diseases, at the end of the day fear is the what this society runs on and everybody needs to try and rise above that.
It's been an interesting read, and now I must get on with my life, but this has encouraged me to read more, question my sources more, and always try to keep an open mind, I hope everyone else can do the same.
Cheers Susie

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

I should also add, this was dated 2009.
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/NVACVaccineSafetyWGReport041409.pdf
here is a link to the draft of what is hoped to be studied.
I would recommend anyone who is interested in educating themselves that the Drs Sears' are a very well respected family of Drs with unbiased veiws on vaccination and if any "crazy" on here says otherwise...well i guess you are just that :)

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Suzy Que

More studies are never bad and are always needed. I hope they get on with it.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Suzy Que

Did you know...

That if something isn't there, it won't be found?

The number of studies, enormous studies, that have already been conducted on a link between autism and vaccines HAVE conclusively determined that there isn't one. It isn't for a lack of studies having been done - you cannot prove a negative, just like you cannot prove a god or deity of some kind doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on those making the claims that there is a god, and that there is a link. If no proof can be...

Did you know...

That if something isn't there, it won't be found?

The number of studies, enormous studies, that have already been conducted on a link between autism and vaccines HAVE conclusively determined that there isn't one. It isn't for a lack of studies having been done - you cannot prove a negative, just like you cannot prove a god or deity of some kind doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on those making the claims that there is a god, and that there is a link. If no proof can be delivered, especially after so much work has been done to find some, then it becomes more and more likely that such a link doesn't exist. At this stage, it can be considered conclusive, and a link has not been found not because not enough science has been done to look for one, but because there isn't one. It's like looking for a needles in a haystack, pulling the whole haystack apart and even using a metal detector to find it, and still not finding it. Do you keep searching because it hasn't been proven that there isn't a needle in the haystack, or do you stop searching because you know now that there definitely is no needle?

That's what this has become. Someone has decided that there is definitely a needle in that haystack, and doesn't like the idea of being wrong, can't accept that they are wrong, and are demanding that there is one there, even though the haystack has been thoroughly searched and found completely absent of needles. There is no link between vaccines and autism, and the science is finding more and more genetic links, and each time one is found, it further invalidates toxic causation.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Suzy Que

How about you find out how many unvaccinated children have autism before you ask a silly question like that.

In the United Kingdom, researchers evaluated 498 autistic children born from 1979 through 1992 who were identified by computerized health records from 8 health districts [Taylor B, Miller E, Farrington CP, et al. Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. Lancet 1999;353:2026-9.]. Although a trend toward increasing autism...

How about you find out how many unvaccinated children have autism before you ask a silly question like that.

In the United Kingdom, researchers evaluated 498 autistic children born from 1979 through 1992 who were identified by computerized health records from 8 health districts [Taylor B, Miller E, Farrington CP, et al. Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. Lancet 1999;353:2026-9.]. Although a trend toward increasing autism diagnoses by year of birth was confirmed, no change in the rates of autism diagnoses after the 1987 introduction of MMR vaccine was observed. Further, MMR vaccination rates of autistic children were similar to those of the entire study population. Also, investigators did not observe a clustering of autism diagnoses relative to the time that children received MMR vaccine, nor did they observe a difference in age at autism diagnosis between those vaccinated and not vaccinated or between those vaccinated before or after 18 months of age. These authors also found no differences in autism rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated children when they extended their analysis to include a longer time after MMR exposure or a second dose of MMR [Farrington CP, Miller E, Taylor B. MMR and autism: further evidence against a causal association. Vaccine 2001;19:3632-5.].

Read more here: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Suzy Que

Or, you can ignore it in a fit of subjective validation that you can justify with a conspiracy theory of some kind. Either way, that's a pile of conclusive evidence against an autism-vaccine link right there. You don't have to like it - I didn't like it the day I found out my Nike shoes didn't make me better than anyone else, but the facts are facts, whether we like them or not.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Suzy Que

Fyi, studies are ongoing all the time, and new things are being discovered all the time. You should look up the latest Australian invention, a patch that requires far less vaccine and no injection, it goes into the skin instead of the muscle where there is more immune response. I'm not entirely up to date with the science of it all - it's very new and trials are still being done, although they've been approved for human trials now and received funding from a pharmaceutical company, which...

Fyi, studies are ongoing all the time, and new things are being discovered all the time. You should look up the latest Australian invention, a patch that requires far less vaccine and no injection, it goes into the skin instead of the muscle where there is more immune response. I'm not entirely up to date with the science of it all - it's very new and trials are still being done, although they've been approved for human trials now and received funding from a pharmaceutical company, which will improve their progress vastly. People fail to realise that it's not pharmaceutical companies that develop the vaccines, it's the pharmaceutical companies that provide funding for the ones that show promise after they've already been through extensive trials by scientists. No pharmaceutical company of its own accord has invented a vaccine. Australia's Ian Frazer was responsible for the HPV vaccine, and Offit invented the rotavirus vaccine. "Big Pharma" had nothing to do with the innovation, they just provided the funding for a demonstrably successful profit. It's called "investing", and businesses do it all the time - you should watch a show called Dragon's Den to see how cautious big business really is with high-risk endeavours. It'll give you an idea of how much work scientists have to put in before they see any money for their efforts from "big pharma"

Renee Friberg
Renee Friberg
  • Suzy Que

What would all of you do if you stepped on a very nasty, rusty nail?

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

Pull it out

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

Martin Bouckaert Read the outline draft of what they want to study in the link I provided Martin, exhaustive studies have not been done on ALL aspects of vaccines. MMR is only one aspect. Dr Sears talks about the GOLD standard, until this is acheived and definitve answers are found, I hold my postion and you can hold yours. see ya!

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves

Stephanie Scoyne is the real evidence and her child that vaccines are not safe plus check with the CDC and you will discover vaccines do harm and kill. the difference between anti-vaccine and pro-vaccine zombies is most anti-vaccine activists have seen first hand what vaccines can and do to our children and we do our research unlike pro-vaccine zombies who are evil paid scum! or just plain evil. I back up everything Stephine has said pharmaceutical companies are immune from prosecution, do...

Stephanie Scoyne is the real evidence and her child that vaccines are not safe plus check with the CDC and you will discover vaccines do harm and kill. the difference between anti-vaccine and pro-vaccine zombies is most anti-vaccine activists have seen first hand what vaccines can and do to our children and we do our research unlike pro-vaccine zombies who are evil paid scum! or just plain evil. I back up everything Stephine has said pharmaceutical companies are immune from prosecution, do your research. see that's the only immunity vaccines give a license to kill legally. A safe vaccine is one that is never used and the science surrounding vaccines is nothing more than voodoo science, corrupt political propaganda. If you think Vaccines are safe then have them and help Bill Gates meet his target by reducing the population by 15% per annum and stop us listening to your lies.

Michael Simpson
Michael Simpson
  • Alan James Greaves

95% of children in the USA are vaccinated prior to entering kindergarten. Obviously, this poll, typical of everything on the internet, is skewed by whomever has the loudest voice. The default position of the vast majority of Americans is to get their children vaccinated and make them safe from communicable diseases. Smart choice.

What we need to do to get the remaining 5% vaccinated is get rid of the philosophical exemptions. That has no place in a rational world. And as for religious...

95% of children in the USA are vaccinated prior to entering kindergarten. Obviously, this poll, typical of everything on the internet, is skewed by whomever has the loudest voice. The default position of the vast majority of Americans is to get their children vaccinated and make them safe from communicable diseases. Smart choice.

What we need to do to get the remaining 5% vaccinated is get rid of the philosophical exemptions. That has no place in a rational world. And as for religious exemptions? Well, home school your kids or send them to religious schools (which mostly require vaccinations). I mean let's get real. How many mainstream religions actually don't allow vaccinations? And how many of these anti-vaxxers actually belong to them? Yeah, that's what I thought, none. Besides, public schools shouldn't allow any religious context to be a part of the student discussion. Keep creationism, prayer, and certainly some lame, non-existant, reason to cheat the system excuse to not get vaccines out of public schools. Oh, why can I say this? Because the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution keeps religions out of Public Schools for 50 years.

There we go. If you want your kid in public schools, vaccinate them. Otherwise, shut up, and do whatever you want.

Which apparently over 95% of Americans do. There we go, less than 5% of Americans belong to this fringe belief. Same group that believes in the Loch Ness Monster probably. :)

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

anecdotes from a mother who had a bad experience and is therefore emotionally biased in her opinions are not scientific evidence of anything at all. vaccines do have risks, but they are minimal and vastly outweighed by the benefits. no one here is evil, or being paid to have a different opinion to you. however, you are a moron.

Stephanie Marie
Stephanie Marie
  • Alan James Greaves

I followed my doctors recommendations my boys got all their shots, I thought they(the shots) were healthy and something you just had to do. My son's experience and the detrimental effects it had on him are real and you can not blow it off. The very way the body works is what is causing all these health problems people have now. The body is killing itself to rid itself of the junk injected. It is a normal reaction. Keep that in mind, the very way the body behaves when injected with toxins is...

I followed my doctors recommendations my boys got all their shots, I thought they(the shots) were healthy and something you just had to do. My son's experience and the detrimental effects it had on him are real and you can not blow it off. The very way the body works is what is causing all these health problems people have now. The body is killing itself to rid itself of the junk injected. It is a normal reaction. Keep that in mind, the very way the body behaves when injected with toxins is a NORMAL reaction and this reaction is what causes long term/life long effects. So vaccines are doing what they are suppose to do, even when "something goes wrong".

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

I'm not blowing off that something happened to your son, I'm just blowing off that it was caused by the vaccines unless you have medical evidence (and not just your gut feeling or some correlation) to the contrary. The body doesn't kill itself. If what you're saying is true, then EVERYONE who got vaccinated would have a serious reaction, and that just doesn't happen at all.

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey
  • Alan James Greaves

I used to believe in vaccines until my son was severely vaccine damaged so although I would never have any future children vaccinated. I have indeed learned the hard way through vaccinating my son and my beautiful boy has made the ultimate sacrifice for this to of happened otherwise I would most likely and sadly still be for vaccinations. No one should have to make these deliberate sacrifices least of all ones child. What kind of greater good is that?

Wendy Ferris
Wendy Ferris
  • Alan James Greaves

39% will follow the vaccine schedule and 49% will never vaccinate!!! It is great to see that parents are doing there homework.

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey
  • Alan James Greaves

http://www.facebook.com/Autism.Hurts.ABA.Helps For more info. about the risks associated with vaccines and up to date news involving autism and vaccines please visit the link in this post and keep informed. Good luck everyone we will all need it.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Alan James Greaves

Mistie, if the majority of the pharmaceutical industry were to say, tomorrow, "Actually, vaccines are a scam! Every effectiveness study in history that found positive results was bought off! We don't care if they're safe (we could have made them all inert, but we thought we'd throw in some scary-sounding chemicals for laughs), we just wanted to make money!" then I guess we'd have to believe them. Just like if the motor vehicle industry said they don't do any safety tests, they just want to...

Mistie, if the majority of the pharmaceutical industry were to say, tomorrow, "Actually, vaccines are a scam! Every effectiveness study in history that found positive results was bought off! We don't care if they're safe (we could have made them all inert, but we thought we'd throw in some scary-sounding chemicals for laughs), we just wanted to make money!" then I guess we'd have to believe them. Just like if the motor vehicle industry said they don't do any safety tests, they just want to sell cars. Or if the mobile telecommunications industry admitted that mobile phones definitely cause cancer, but they wanted to sell phones. The list goes on, Mistie --- what are you trying to prove with that argument?

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams

Vaccinations are not a Prevention , or a cure! What it does is Supress your immune system from fighting back. Get Educated, I challenge you to, find out! Children are dying at a alarming rate! Autism is at a alarming rate! If you don't think one thing has to do with the other, than you are misinformed! Billionaire corporations using more preservatives, for a longer shelf life, for more Profits! Educate yourself, investigate! To all those who have lost their children: Iam so very sorry, God bless you, BE A VOICE, tell everyone!

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Your insane, vaccine do not save lives they kill and harm in many ways, you are the one who is wrong not i, vaccines are lethal poison and should not ever be injected into the body, the immune system needs only nutrition to be healthy. Poison in the blood stream will aways cause a reaction but that is not protection in any way. And you are very wrong a 4lb baby taking one vaccine would mean a 150lb man would have too take 25 of the same shot at the same time, we are not talking immune...

Your insane, vaccine do not save lives they kill and harm in many ways, you are the one who is wrong not i, vaccines are lethal poison and should not ever be injected into the body, the immune system needs only nutrition to be healthy. Poison in the blood stream will aways cause a reaction but that is not protection in any way. And you are very wrong a 4lb baby taking one vaccine would mean a 150lb man would have too take 25 of the same shot at the same time, we are not talking immune protection here but the equal amount of poison injected into the body, can a 4lb baby survive the poison without harm or death and could a 150lb man survive 25 of the same shot at the same time. Your nothing but a sick brain dead zombie who is full of lies and twists the truth for what reason only you know that but one thing is true every child that is not vaccinated is a life saved from harm and death, it is the vaccines that are killing not the fact that a body is pure blood. If a person suffers a disease then the natural health immune system will defend and fight it but if you shot someone with vaccine poison the immune system must fight all that poison plus if by some rare chance have to fight a disease. Many disease are very mild and never a threat to any one, any serious disease are vaccinated manmade poison. the biggest diseases are corrupt politicians, corporate scum and vaccines. Vaccines are the cause of spreading disease and we will win the fight, the more wake up the stronger the truth becomes, your lies kill and one day will get you killed too.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Good nutrition,modern sanitation, uncontaminated water , waste disposal and personal hygiene all help kill disease never one vaccine, but your zombie who do not think. paid to lie.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Take away the money to wipe out the diseases.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2B in damages to parents in America whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs such as the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) or DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus). In all, around 2,000 families have received compensation payments that have averaged $850,000 each. There are a further 700 claims that are going through the pipeline. None of the claims is for autism as medical researchers say they have failed to find a link between the disease...

Vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2B in damages to parents in America whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs such as the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) or DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus). In all, around 2,000 families have received compensation payments that have averaged $850,000 each. There are a further 700 claims that are going through the pipeline. None of the claims is for autism as medical researchers say they have failed to find a link between the disease and the MMR vaccine, despite the initial findings made by Dr Andrew Wakefield. Instead they are for a wide spectrum of physical and mental conditions that are likely to have been caused by one of the vaccinations. Around 7,000 parents have filed a claim of an adverse reaction with America's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). To win an award, the claimant must prove a causal link to a vaccine. As the medical establishment has refused to recognise any link to autism, the VICP has so far rejected 300 claims for this outright. (Source: New England Journal of Medicine)Medicine.

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams
  • April Garcia Adams

Vaccinations are not a Prevention , or a cure! What it does is Supress your immune system from fighting back. Get Educated, I challenge you to, find out! Children are dying at a alarming rate! Autism is at a alarming rate! If you don't think one thing has to do with the other, than you are misinformed! Billionaire corporations using more preservatives, for a longer shelf life, for more Profits! Educate yourself, investigate! To all those who have lost their children: Iam so very sorry, God bless you, BE A VOICE, tell everyone!

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams
  • April Garcia Adams

To those who think Vaccinations are safe, these are not the Vaccinations from 60 years ago! They are preservatives of Metals, for a longer shelf life---to make more profits without a loss! The dumb masses is what these billionaire industry's think of us, and if your fooled by a independent report-written by this industry, or a beautiful commercial, I hope you or your family never has to experience Death after Vaccine! Or the loss of holding and talking to your child-who now hasAutism,...

To those who think Vaccinations are safe, these are not the Vaccinations from 60 years ago! They are preservatives of Metals, for a longer shelf life---to make more profits without a loss! The dumb masses is what these billionaire industry's think of us, and if your fooled by a independent report-written by this industry, or a beautiful commercial, I hope you or your family never has to experience Death after Vaccine! Or the loss of holding and talking to your child-who now hasAutism, after the MMR Vaccine! Are people seriously fooled by this alarming, widespread epidemic created by big Pharma? Everyday? Well Iam educated! We live it everyday! And Iam apart of the Dumb Masses, that is not fooled by your advertisement on Happy Healthy Children! Junk Science- getting very rich on the Heartache you are causing! The truth will, come out for everyone to see!

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams
  • April Garcia Adams

We are talking about vaccines and the Damage they are causing! Everyday! And that IS FACT! Not the car companies or what it was like 60 years ago( Jared & Martin) The Fact is.. Vaccinations ARE causing AUTISM and ARE KILLING CHILDREN! So apparently you don't care, have no children ( Now) and if you do, I really hope you never have to experience it, even if it takes that tragedy to open your eyes!

Lisa Brooker
Lisa Brooker
  • April Garcia Adams

Vaccines do not harm our children people! Why would doctors put years of research iinto something you all think will harm our babies! Vaccines were created to will help protect our children from the moment they are born. Or are they just injecting babies for the sake of it? I don't think so! Do you really think it would be legal to inject tiny babies with something that isn't good for them...

Amber Genevieve
Amber Genevieve

Until long-term safety studies are performed, I will not vaccinate my precious child. Not sure what is meant by vaccinating homeopathically...

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

Long-term safety studies are being performed all the time, and those of us that are vaccinated are its subjects. So far, they are passing with flying colours. No vaccine enters circulation without at least 3 phases of heavy duty trials. The rotavirus vaccine took twenty years to see any sort of usage.

And before you say "I didn't sign up to be a part of a trial," we are all a part of all kinds of trials. Life is a trial. Errors are made, and we learn from them. It's how science is done to a...

Long-term safety studies are being performed all the time, and those of us that are vaccinated are its subjects. So far, they are passing with flying colours. No vaccine enters circulation without at least 3 phases of heavy duty trials. The rotavirus vaccine took twenty years to see any sort of usage.

And before you say "I didn't sign up to be a part of a trial," we are all a part of all kinds of trials. Life is a trial. Errors are made, and we learn from them. It's how science is done to a large degree. And the evidence that proves vaccines are safe and effective far outweighs any evidence that they are not

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Amber Genevieve

vaccine = substance
homeopathy = dilution in plain water till nothing left of...
homeopathy vaccine = dilution in plain water till nothing left of substance..

Long term safety studies have been carried out.. Willful blindness to these facts is no excuse... Especially when your children are at greater danger without vaccines..

Erica Dickson-Hubbard
Erica Dickson-Hubbard
  • Amber Genevieve

If the rotavirus vaccine had twenty years of safety studies then they should have known that it cause a life threatening illness...intussusception, which is when your intestines twist. This is newborns, yep, that's safe! Rotavirus is not a big deal, you vomit, have diarrhea and get better. Not potentially die or require emergency surgery. Not a very good example to use :)

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

Erica Hubbard The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) licensed RotaTeq® (Merck & Co., Inc.) in February 2006 and Rotarix® (GSK Biologicals) in April 2008 for routine use in U.S. infants to prevent severe rotavirus disease in infants and children. Because a previous rotavirus vaccine, RotaShield® (Wyeth-Ayerst), was associated with intussusception, a form of bowel obstruction, the risk of this adverse event was specifically evaluated in a large pre-licensure trial for each vaccine. In these...

Erica Hubbard The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) licensed RotaTeq® (Merck & Co., Inc.) in February 2006 and Rotarix® (GSK Biologicals) in April 2008 for routine use in U.S. infants to prevent severe rotavirus disease in infants and children. Because a previous rotavirus vaccine, RotaShield® (Wyeth-Ayerst), was associated with intussusception, a form of bowel obstruction, the risk of this adverse event was specifically evaluated in a large pre-licensure trial for each vaccine. In these trials, each involving over 60,000 participants, conducted mainly in Finland and the United States for RotaTeq and in 11 Latin American countries for Rotarix, no increased risk for intussusception was observed. Post-marketing surveillance for intussusception is ongoing in many countries. On September 22, 2010, FDA approved a label change for Rotarix to advise practitioners of new data regarding intussusception from an evaluation in Mexico by GSK

So you see, the vaccine that WAS causing intussusception was withdrawn and replaced with one that doesn't. This demonstrates the regulators are doing their job, and the trial and error process of science, especially medical science. No one died from the intussusception that the vaccine caused.

As for the rotavirus.... "you vomit, have diarrhea and get better" do you? I've experienced a case of rotavirus in boarding school, over a decade ago before a vaccine existed. I went through it wishing I could just die.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/rotavirus/unprotected-story.htm

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

I specifically like the part in that which says "No. Rotavirus vaccine should not be given to a baby who has had intussusception because there may be an increased risk of the condition recurring." Yep, and while there's a big pharma cover up of the harm that vaccines are doing, there's a complete openness about the legitimate risks associated with vaccination. That makes sense /derp

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

why... it's almost as if they don't want you to know what kind of legitimate harm the vaccines can do by telling you stuff like that... oh, wait, there's no conspiracy, and vaccine manufacturers aren't trying to cover up the risks. They are, in fact, quite open about them, as this document demonstrates.

Amber Genevieve
Amber Genevieve
  • Amber Genevieve

Martin we simply disagree. The fact that there are hundreds of thousands of adverse events reported and growing to me means there are safety issues. In my opinion that's doesn't equate to' rare' as a great deal of vaccine supporters say the incidence is. And if you have long-term safety studies you can share with me that are done by non-biased third parties I would be more than happy to read them. The fact that Merck and a few others have been proven to have manipulated results in their...

Martin we simply disagree. The fact that there are hundreds of thousands of adverse events reported and growing to me means there are safety issues. In my opinion that's doesn't equate to' rare' as a great deal of vaccine supporters say the incidence is. And if you have long-term safety studies you can share with me that are done by non-biased third parties I would be more than happy to read them. The fact that Merck and a few others have been proven to have manipulated results in their studies makes me feel that they are untrustworthy. Forgive me but that is how I feel. I didn't vote to engage in a debate, I simply wanted to vote and very briefly explain why.

Amber Genevieve
Amber Genevieve
  • Amber Genevieve

Really Andrea?? "Before rotavirus vaccine became available in Australia, almost every child was infected by rotavirus by the age of 5 years. About 10,000 young children were in hospital with rotavirus gastroenteritis each year and up to one young child a year died from complications." One death, ONE. And yes 10,000 hospitalizations isn't one however with proper medical care, it is very rarely fatal, and when it is it's usually due to dehydration. Now, if someone doesn't take their child to...

Really Andrea?? "Before rotavirus vaccine became available in Australia, almost every child was infected by rotavirus by the age of 5 years. About 10,000 young children were in hospital with rotavirus gastroenteritis each year and up to one young child a year died from complications." One death, ONE. And yes 10,000 hospitalizations isn't one however with proper medical care, it is very rarely fatal, and when it is it's usually due to dehydration. Now, if someone doesn't take their child to get medical care after a day's worth of diarrhea then they don't deserve to be a parent. You'd have to be pretty dumb to let that happen.

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