Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng

Sure. Blame the internet for the rise in people not choosing to vaccinate their kids. If vaccines were 100% safe and effective no tool would be able to convince people to not vaccinate their kids. People who don't vaccinate their kids do not make that decision lightly. There has to be a compelling reason for them to go against what is considered mainstream because all parents want the best for their kids. Thank God for the Internet so that all people can do their own research and have...

Sure. Blame the internet for the rise in people not choosing to vaccinate their kids. If vaccines were 100% safe and effective no tool would be able to convince people to not vaccinate their kids. People who don't vaccinate their kids do not make that decision lightly. There has to be a compelling reason for them to go against what is considered mainstream because all parents want the best for their kids. Thank God for the Internet so that all people can do their own research and have the freedom to decide for themselves which path they want to take not only regarding vaccination but for every decision they make in life. Long live the Internet!

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

As an adult, who was raised in an anti-vaccine family, I feel I must say your statement is foolish. You are playing to the Nirvana Fallacy. NOTHING in life is without some form of risk, not even getting out of bed in the morning. Science is quite aware of what the risks of vaccinating are, but compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent, it is much more dangerous not to opt for vaccination. I had mumps at age 6, watched a younger sister nearly die from meningitis when she was one, I...

As an adult, who was raised in an anti-vaccine family, I feel I must say your statement is foolish. You are playing to the Nirvana Fallacy. NOTHING in life is without some form of risk, not even getting out of bed in the morning. Science is quite aware of what the risks of vaccinating are, but compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent, it is much more dangerous not to opt for vaccination. I had mumps at age 6, watched a younger sister nearly die from meningitis when she was one, I had pertussis at 17 which left me with permanent damage to my lungs. Not to mention all the times my siblings and I were removed from school due to measles outbreaks in our area. The anti-vaccine movement has always been around, since inoculations were first being done, and the arguments against them hasn't changed over the years. It's just a lot easier now to get access to incorrect information and anti-vaccination myths, due to wide spread use of Google. Emotional appeals on the Internet, while they can sound plausible, when compared to actual science, leave a lot to be desired. Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health, and the fact is, our world is much healthier since vaccination became wide spread. Vaccination has eliminated Rinderpest, smallpox and is well on it's way to eradicating polio as well. Here's the thing, that is the actual aim of vaccinations to begin with, eradicating disease! With the diseases gone, vaccines would not longer be necessary, and by not vaccinating, you are hindering the job of eradication and prolonging the vaccination periods of disease control and prevention. So if you want to eliminating vaccination, get your kids vaccinated to help eliminate disease!

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Lara, you seem to think that if someone is not sick then they are healthy. Now that is a foolish statement. You seem to think vaccinations is the only way to protect your body from disease when our body's immune system has protected the human species way before vaccines were even invented. If you bothered to do your research you will know that you only get sick if your immune system has been compromised. The first thing you should be doing is take a good hard look at what you are feeding...

Lara, you seem to think that if someone is not sick then they are healthy. Now that is a foolish statement. You seem to think vaccinations is the only way to protect your body from disease when our body's immune system has protected the human species way before vaccines were even invented. If you bothered to do your research you will know that you only get sick if your immune system has been compromised. The first thing you should be doing is take a good hard look at what you are feeding yourself and your kids and see whether the food you are eating is making your immune system stronger or making it weaker. 9 times out of 10 the people who get sick most often are the ones that consume large amounts of processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's. Just like a car, your immune system requires the right type of fuel to operate efficiently. Try filling your car up with Coca Cola and see how it runs. Furthermore, even vaccines rely on your immune system to be strong for it to work. A weak immune system will not protect you from any disease regardless whether you are vaccinate or not. Oh by the way, viruses mutate so is nearly impossible to completely eradicate a disease so the number of vaccines can only go up not down. Time to look outside the box I say.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

That is a highly speculative assumption seeing as how you don't know me and I can't see any way you could draw that conclusion based on what I said. I am well aware that a person can be unhealthy even if they aren't sick. However, vaccination can help a person who may be unhealthy to give them the little extra boost to fight off an infection without suffering through the disease, then a person who is healthy and unvaccinated. Measles virus won't care how healthy you are if it comes across...

That is a highly speculative assumption seeing as how you don't know me and I can't see any way you could draw that conclusion based on what I said. I am well aware that a person can be unhealthy even if they aren't sick. However, vaccination can help a person who may be unhealthy to give them the little extra boost to fight off an infection without suffering through the disease, then a person who is healthy and unvaccinated. Measles virus won't care how healthy you are if it comes across your path. It is the single most highly contagious pathogen on the planet, if it finds you, and you don't already have immunity from vaccination, you will get measles. Why put yourself through that? Why allow a virus or bacteria to infect you and cause you to suffer when there is a vaccine to prevent it from happening? That just doesn't make sense in my book, it never did really.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

I'm not sure why my reply keeps disappearing, but I've replied twice and both times it disappears. Oh well, you aren't ever going to get it until a virus strikes.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Robert Tseng

Robert, You have some nerve talking to Lara like that with your conspiracy paranoid BS after she gave her account of what she had to endure because her parents Chose not to vaccinate her and her sister who almost died. You people are endangering everyone with your careless, paranoid, selfish behavior. I bet you believe in chem trails, area 51 and other BS like that too, huh? You are making two separate arguments and trying to make them work together. What food people eat to keep themselves...

Robert, You have some nerve talking to Lara like that with your conspiracy paranoid BS after she gave her account of what she had to endure because her parents Chose not to vaccinate her and her sister who almost died. You people are endangering everyone with your careless, paranoid, selfish behavior. I bet you believe in chem trails, area 51 and other BS like that too, huh? You are making two separate arguments and trying to make them work together. What food people eat to keep themselves healthy has nothing to do with childhood vaccinations. Why don't YOU go do some real research before opening your mouth and making bogus arguments.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Lara, the toxins contained in those vaccines can do more damage than the disease itself. I eat well and make sure my children do the same. I will gladly take my chances with the disease than impair my bodies ability to fight of the disease. You mentioned that "Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health" but being healthy is a choice. Every time your grab a chocolate bar instead of an apple, you have made a conscience decision that you are happy to damage your body...

Lara, the toxins contained in those vaccines can do more damage than the disease itself. I eat well and make sure my children do the same. I will gladly take my chances with the disease than impair my bodies ability to fight of the disease. You mentioned that "Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health" but being healthy is a choice. Every time your grab a chocolate bar instead of an apple, you have made a conscience decision that you are happy to damage your body in exchange for a few moments of pleasure. That is fine because you have that right and no one can take it away from you. It is unfortunate that you had to suffer as a child and I can understand why you want as many parents to vaccinate their children in the "hope" that their children don't suffer the same fate as you did but by not giving people a choice means you are forcing this onto them and this is not the right way to go about it and that is what I am opposed to.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Fara, your comment is one of the most ridiculous comments I have encountered. I am not going to waste my time talking to someone who clearly does not have a clue.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Robert Tseng

Why because it calls you out on your logical fallacy argument? You are the one without a clue, brainwashed by propaganda you've read on nut job websites. Everyone knows that people should eat well, you are making a false connection based on junk science. It amazes me how just how many gullible people there are out there. I feel sorry for you and your children.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to...

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to make an informed decision. Everything is related and the decision you make starts a chain reaction that could be for the better or the worse. The fact you don't understand this means I should be the one feeling sorry for you but I don't because it is my choice.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to...

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to make an informed decision. Everything is related and your decision will start a chain reaction for the better or worse for your body. The fact that you do not understand this simple relationship means I should be the one feeling sorry for you but I don't because that is my choice.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn

WOW! I can not believe 32% said none at all. Do these people realize that they are not only risking their child's life, but others as well? What a completely selfish and ignorant thing to do.

Michaël Henkens
Michaël Henkens
  • Fara Dawn

it's a sad day when people revert to believing in a book that's 2k years old and refuse to trust in science. although i must say this backwardness seems mostly restricted to the US.. don't they teach about the dark ages over there?

Merran Willems
Merran Willems
  • Fara Dawn

Wow Fara! How ignorant are you?! The vaccinated are the ones spreading diseases! Please research before making such an ignorant comment

Scott Hansen
Scott Hansen
  • Fara Dawn

BAHAHAHAHA. Really? I love it when anti vaxers project.

Please explain the mechanisms by which the vacinated are spreading disease. I would dearly love to know just how vaccines that contain attenuated pathogens, completely dead pathogens or simply proteins can make others sick.

You tell Fara to do her research, yet you clearly don't have the slightest clue about what you are dribbling about.

John PB
John PB
  • Fara Dawn

Most of this is fallout from the false claims that thermisol gave kids austism. This was a claim supported by a false scientific study now utterly refuted. Many outbreaks of measles and whooping cough here in the states. These people are nuts.

Gabi Brindle
Gabi Brindle
  • Fara Dawn

If your vaccinated child is sitting next to an unvaccinated child, and your child contracts one of the diseases they were vaccinated for...why did you vaccinate in the first place? Isn't the vaccine supposed to protect you from the disease??

Why did we need to vaccinate our children for varicella to prevent shingles, but now we need a shingles vaccine, too?

Why does it seem like flu season never starts until they set up vaccination tables at the grocery store?

Listen, I am all for...

If your vaccinated child is sitting next to an unvaccinated child, and your child contracts one of the diseases they were vaccinated for...why did you vaccinate in the first place? Isn't the vaccine supposed to protect you from the disease??

Why did we need to vaccinate our children for varicella to prevent shingles, but now we need a shingles vaccine, too?

Why does it seem like flu season never starts until they set up vaccination tables at the grocery store?

Listen, I am all for vaccinations that prevent diseases....but I'm not going to be so naive to assume the drug companies aren't making big bucks off our paranoia. Vaccinate or don't- it makes little difference to me because my kid is vaccinated. All except that varicella crap. No thanks. She's been exposed to chicken pox several times and hasn't caught it. You know who has? The kids who were in between dose 1 and dose 2.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Fara Dawn

Gabi Brindle Er, we didn't vaccinate our children to prevent shingles. We did it to prevent chicken pox. Shingles happens many years later after the vaccine has worn off. And who gets shingles? Mostly people who had chicken pox.

Gabi Brindle
Gabi Brindle
  • Fara Dawn

That is not what we were told, Daniel. We were told that it was a vaccination that would help prevent shingles later in life. Thankfully I did not buy that line of bull. And now there are shingles vaccines. I am pro-choice on the topic of vaccinations. You pump your kid full of whatever you want.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/shingles/DS00098/DSECTION=prevention

Neither the shingles vaccine nor the varicella vaccine guarantee you won't get shingles, but BOTH have been approved as a...

That is not what we were told, Daniel. We were told that it was a vaccination that would help prevent shingles later in life. Thankfully I did not buy that line of bull. And now there are shingles vaccines. I am pro-choice on the topic of vaccinations. You pump your kid full of whatever you want.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/shingles/DS00098/DSECTION=prevention

Neither the shingles vaccine nor the varicella vaccine guarantee you won't get shingles, but BOTH have been approved as a method to reduce the risk of getting it. So yes, actually, people DO get the varicella vaccine to ward off shingles.

Gabi Brindle
Gabi Brindle
  • Fara Dawn

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/02/chicken-pox-vaccine-creates-shingles-epidemic.aspx

Vaccines are controversial. Every parent must reserve the right to use them, or not.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Fara Dawn

Merran, I have done research, thank you. It is extremely rare for anyone to have serious side effects. I don't want another polio outbreak or people dying of diphtheria, hepatitis or babies dying unnecessarily of whooping cough, because paranoid conspiracy theory believing people like yourself or religious nuts choose not to vaccinate their children. As I said, it's selfish and ignorant.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Fara Dawn

@Robert Tseng: Again your assumption that I for some reason only eat junk food is insulting and offensive. And no amount of healthy eating is going to protect anyone from a virus as virulent as measles. If it comes across your path, you will get sick, and then you take your chances with the virus. Of course I don't want anyone to go through what I had to. I didn't have a choice. When I was old enough and learned the truth, the clear choice was to vaccinate my children. And the 'toxins' in...

@Robert Tseng: Again your assumption that I for some reason only eat junk food is insulting and offensive. And no amount of healthy eating is going to protect anyone from a virus as virulent as measles. If it comes across your path, you will get sick, and then you take your chances with the virus. Of course I don't want anyone to go through what I had to. I didn't have a choice. When I was old enough and learned the truth, the clear choice was to vaccinate my children. And the 'toxins' in vaccines are a load of hype and again misinformation spread by anti-vaccination groups in an attempt to scare people away from vaccination. There isn't anything in a vaccine that isn't at least 10 times more prevalent in nature and still not toxic. Remember, the dose makes the poison. You have clearly been drawn in by the anti-vaccination myths, misinformation and pseudoscience. You would do better to read different material. As far as the lack of choice, you obviously have a choice. But just like everyone else who has a right to choose, and if they choose to have their children vaccinated, they have the right to have unprotected children away from their own children. Just like smoking has been banned in many public places for the greater public health, so can those who are unvaccinated be banned from certain public places (E.g. school) during high risk times, for the protection of everyone. I didn't understand being removed from school when I was a child, my mom lead me to believe it was discrimination and punishment for not doing what the government wanted us to do. Now I understand it is a protective measure, to keep those who are not protected away from the greatest source of potential exposure. You don't seem to understand how vaccines work, or you wouldn't be so quick to assume they are going to hinder your ability to fight infection. On the contrary, they boost your immune response by limited exposure to the virus, to prime your immune system to fight harder when it comes across the wild virus. That is what vaccination is about, it's not different from an athlete training for their sport of choice, but this is training your immune system for perform better during the real thing. (Unable to reply again, my post keeps disappearing so hopefully this will stick around.)

Donna Dawson
Donna Dawson

Medical professionals have discovered and researched these vaccines and weighed the benefts against the negatives, although there is a small percentage of children who have a reaction, overall these vaccines should be given, because if your child becomes ill with polio, mumps or measles with no protection it can be very serious.

Ruth Acaster
Ruth Acaster
  • Donna Dawson

You'll be aware then that the only cases of polio in the western world are caused by the polio vaccine.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Donna Dawson

That's actually untrue. Polio was around in the western world long before the vaccine was, and many hundreds of thousands of children were paralysed for life from it, a fate worse than death if you ask me, therefore it is impossible for it to have been caused by the vaccine. You, however, are probably not old enough to remember it, which is why we have public historical records of the fact, which you are free to peruse at your leisure.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Donna Dawson

Donna, I am not disagreeing with you that there are many more people who were not harmed by them...but to deny the ones who were is reckless.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Donna Dawson

Autism isn't serious? Guess we burn the few (1 in 50 boys) at the stake for pissing on the vaccine parade? It shocks the heck out of me how concerned everyone is with diseases the MIGHT cause permanent damage or death over one that has NO CHANCE of a cure at this time. Thanks for throwing OUR kids under the bus to save YOURS. I will remember that if my disabled child ever needs an organ donation. We will just take some of YOUR kids parts to fix MY kid...hey, stop griping or crying about...

Autism isn't serious? Guess we burn the few (1 in 50 boys) at the stake for pissing on the vaccine parade? It shocks the heck out of me how concerned everyone is with diseases the MIGHT cause permanent damage or death over one that has NO CHANCE of a cure at this time. Thanks for throwing OUR kids under the bus to save YOURS. I will remember that if my disabled child ever needs an organ donation. We will just take some of YOUR kids parts to fix MY kid...hey, stop griping or crying about it...YOUR kid was one of the few sacrificed to save MINE. Turn about is fair play...RIGHT? Or are you a hypocrite once YOUR childs life is on the line? You can't have it both ways.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Donna Dawson

Mistie Delorey gaia health is not a credible source of information. please provide reputable and credible sources to support this article

Derek Hordle
Derek Hordle
  • Donna Dawson

Because polio in western world has been eliminated by vaccination. But if we stop vaccinating we will be back to the polio wards of 50 years ago with plenty of young people living in iron lungs because of stupidity.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Donna Dawson

Derek...now you know how we feel about OUR children that were harmed.
Why are other kids anymore important than mine? Because mine is already disabled...it doesn't matter?
Talk about hypocritical.
You're so worried about what MIGHT happen with a disease that HAS A CHANCE of going away While you throw the children under the bus that ALREADY DO have health problems from injury that HAVE NO CHANCE of going away.
That's just plain silly.

Dawn Burcham Ingold
Dawn Burcham Ingold
  • Donna Dawson

Could you let me know what medical professionals, that you are aware of, are knowledgeable, regarding vaccines? I am a medical professional, and with all due respect, there is no training received regarding

Andrew Kennedy
Andrew Kennedy

Why the argument? Thank goodness for vaccines old Louis Pasteur got it right!

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Andrew Kennedy

Absolutely! He was right way back then .... when there was little sanitation, or even worse little knowledge of how to keep certain areas clean. Way back when seeing the doctor was a agonizing wagon ride for hours! But that's not the case today. I believe that they were good. But I do not believe they are good or necessary in 2012. And I'm not alone ... 62% of those answered question the safety of today's vaccines.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Andrew Kennedy

This is a perfect example of how anti-vaxers misrepresent science ^ she thinks the internet poll results are some kind of support that she's right.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Andrew Kennedy

Dianna Donnelly -- yes, 62% of the people here, because at least one of the anti-vaccination sites unleashed their faithful on the poll.

And if you get people to stop taking vaccines now, those diseases will come roaring back and kids will start dying from them again. Shame on you for wanting that.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Andrew Kennedy

wow, so very informed and now shame on you for wanting the deaths of children. You are going to hell. Blessed be thy Jesus and let me enter into his kingdom. - Losing Credibility

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Andrew Kennedy

in this one, Lynne, you do sound like someone re-preaching the sermon.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Andrew Kennedy

No, sorry, hell is a nice scare tactic, but it doesn't work on people that don't believe in it. Please provide evidence of hell, or all your credibility flies out the airlock. No one wants children dead, but here's a fun fact - diseases kill. Lynne's just pointing that out - stop vaccinating, and the diseases start killing. We're here trying to STOP that because we DON'T want kids dying, but by some incredible leap of logic (or lack thereof) you've managed to accuse her of wanting kids dead....

No, sorry, hell is a nice scare tactic, but it doesn't work on people that don't believe in it. Please provide evidence of hell, or all your credibility flies out the airlock. No one wants children dead, but here's a fun fact - diseases kill. Lynne's just pointing that out - stop vaccinating, and the diseases start killing. We're here trying to STOP that because we DON'T want kids dying, but by some incredible leap of logic (or lack thereof) you've managed to accuse her of wanting kids dead. I don't think anyone wants kids dead, but if we all stop vaccinating, then kids are gonna start dying again.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Andrew Kennedy

"Shame on you for wanting that.('that' being kids dying)" - Lynne to Dianna.

I've lost interest in this commentary. There is nothing new here, just people insulting and putting each other down and posing as if they have all the answers. I care that I have the right to choose, not trying to take choices away from others.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Andrew Kennedy

Terry Kendall Schnitzler , every time and everywhere that vaccination rates have dropped, there have been outbreaks of disease and often, children have died. That is historical and recent recorded fact. I'm not playing a "YOU'LL GO TO HELL" game, I'm pointing out that this IS, essentially, what Dianna is advocating for by trying to stop people from vaccinating.

It seems like you are looking for something to be offended at so that you don't have to pay attention to the real content of what is actually being said.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Andrew Kennedy

Funny you should mention how people are putting others down after you just condemned Lynne to to your mythical. It's also telling how you would accuse people who are quite well educated on the matter, due to them being professionals in the field, of "posing" when they obviously have far more answers than you do.

You don't get to accuse people of posing with all the answers if you don't have any yourself. Sorry, that's not how things work in the real world.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly

So... out of curiosity, do you have faith in all vaccines? What about Gardasil?

Michael Kyriacou
Michael Kyriacou
  • Dianna Donnelly

Id much rather blow my brains out than give any of my loved ones any type of vaccination!!!! Im a hugely proud parent of an unvaccinated child!!!!!!!!

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

so glad you didn't ;-)

Don Carter
Don Carter
  • Dianna Donnelly

Perhaps your pride in your choice not to vaccinate your child is misdirected pride. Perhaps you are putting your child at risk and are actually negligent because of your misguided ideology.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Dianna Donnelly

Michael Kyriacou, I'd much rather have gotten 3 needles than had part of my cervix lasered away after an abnormal pap smear. Horses for courses, I guess?

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

Evidence is showing that Gardasil DOES NOT protect you. So there's a good chance you'd still have gotten cervical cancer.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Dianna Donnelly

False. What evidence?

Because all the studies I've seen have demonstrated good protection, now up to ten years after vaccination.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Dianna Donnelly

It wasn't cancer yet, but considering that high-grade changes occurred in no more than two years, it seemed best to get rid of it. Thanks for the concern, though.

Evidence is showing the the vaccines are protective, with pros and cons for Cervarix and Gardasil (compared to each other). Let me know if these links aren't freely accessible and I'll put them in my dropbox for your perusal:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/81164518g536524v/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22920953

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

Gardasil accounts for more than 60% of the adverse reactions reported to the national Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS).

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly

"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others." --Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

I love that in Canada I can choose! So go on exhausting yourselves like wing-seeking angels helping us ignorant backwards thinkers to see the truth. IS THIS A SCHOOL PROJECT MARTY? ANDREA? Or do you work for this VACCINE INITIATIVE group? At least if you were getting paid I could see some point in your blind following. Either way, good luck on the project. I hope you get graded well.

Off to make some more choices and spread the truth about this VACCINE SCAM big Pharma is playing...

I love that in Canada I can choose! So go on exhausting yourselves like wing-seeking angels helping us ignorant backwards thinkers to see the truth. IS THIS A SCHOOL PROJECT MARTY? ANDREA? Or do you work for this VACCINE INITIATIVE group? At least if you were getting paid I could see some point in your blind following. Either way, good luck on the project. I hope you get graded well.

Off to make some more choices and spread the truth about this VACCINE SCAM big Pharma is playing right now.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A GUINEA PIG TO BIG PHARMA! THEY ARE USING YOUR FOR THEIR PROFIT.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others." --Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

Never heard of him. So i looked him up. Seems Dr Robert Mendelsohn was a typical anti-science nut. That claim, like many other anti-science claims, is not supported by science.

William Dziekanowski
William Dziekanowski
  • Dianna Donnelly

Just because you post something 5 times ,doesn't make it true^

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

No, the evidence makes it true. I only posted it once - this Causes site is buggy as hell.

William Dziekanowski
William Dziekanowski
  • Dianna Donnelly

That i can see for myself..lol... Martin keep this in mind , The same people who said Celebrex is safe, PhenFen is safe, and 1300 other banned Rx say "vaccines are safe".All reports and studies and clinical trials are edited when paid for by the Manufacturer.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Dianna Donnelly

Actually, these are not the same people at all; the people saying vaccines are safe are the ones saying PhenFen was *unsafe*, and it was the "alt-med" folks claiming it was safe!

William Dziekanowski
William Dziekanowski
  • Dianna Donnelly

I would also like to add the Meningitis outbreak of spinal injections was also " safe" The plant was fined after 20+ people died.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que

From: http://www.askdrsears.com/?q=topics/vaccines/government-and-cdc-finally-agree-do-extensive-research-vaccine-safety-maybe.

"For those of you who are saying, “Wait – they HAVE researched it extensively and have proven there is NO link between vaccines and autism.” Well, that’s not exactly accurate. To date, no study has “proven” there is no link. Many studies have “failed to demonstrate a causative relationship between vaccines and autism” – in essence, showing there probably is no...

From: http://www.askdrsears.com/?q=topics/vaccines/government-and-cdc-finally-agree-do-extensive-research-vaccine-safety-maybe.

"For those of you who are saying, “Wait – they HAVE researched it extensively and have proven there is NO link between vaccines and autism.” Well, that’s not exactly accurate. To date, no study has “proven” there is no link. Many studies have “failed to demonstrate a causative relationship between vaccines and autism” – in essence, showing there probably is no link, or even there is almost definitely no link. But that is a very far cry from “proving for sure that there is no link.” What they HAVE done so far is use population-based statistical analyses (epidemiological studies) to determine that vaccines probably don’t cause autism. But no large prospective study has yet to be done using unvaccinated children as a large control group to have something to compare the vaccinated children to. This is really the gold standard for coming as close as we can to proving something is safe. And that’s the type of research the government had, up until now, refused to do. And we are not just talking about autism. There are so many other theoretical reactions to vaccines that have never been adequately studied. We’ve just written them off as so rare we won’t worry about them. Finally, after years of public pressure, the government has agreed to do the research.

Maybe.

Here are a few highlights of what the NVAC recommended the CDC begin doing research on (if it is found to be feasible):

Identifying subsets of our population that may be at higher risk of suffering a severe vaccine reaction, such as those with mitochondrial dysfunction, autoimmune diseases, autoimmune family histories, and genetic predispositions.

Accurately determine the statistical incidences of various reported severe reactions like encephalitis, encephalopathy, seizures, autoimmune reactions, demyelinating disorders, and autism.

The risks of reactions for babies with a prior reaction or with a family history of reactions in the parents.

Study various alternative vaccine schedules, including comparing reactions with multiple vaccinations to fewer vaccinations.

Study specific and individual vaccine chemical ingredients, including animal toxicology research (hey, I thought they would have already studied each and every vaccine ingredient in animals before they started giving them to us?)

These issues have always sat in the back of my mind as unanswered questions. And the absence of unvaccinated control groups in vaccine research has probably been the one single factor that has always weighed heavily in my mind regarding vaccines. To date, such control groups have always been infants receiving the current vaccine schedule minus the new vaccine that is being studied. But now there are just way too many vaccines to consider such a group as a placebo control."

Lets hope this study can be done and that us "anti Vaxes" are wrong, but until then, nobody here, for OR against, can claim such righteousness as has been a large part of this polls discussion. But in the meantime everybody has the right to their choice to decide what is right for them and their own family. Whether your fear is of the vaccines or your fear is of the diseases, at the end of the day fear is the what this society runs on and everybody needs to try and rise above that.
It's been an interesting read, and now I must get on with my life, but this has encouraged me to read more, question my sources more, and always try to keep an open mind, I hope everyone else can do the same.
Cheers Susie

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

I should also add, this was dated 2009.
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/NVACVaccineSafetyWGReport041409.pdf
here is a link to the draft of what is hoped to be studied.
I would recommend anyone who is interested in educating themselves that the Drs Sears' are a very well respected family of Drs with unbiased veiws on vaccination and if any "crazy" on here says otherwise...well i guess you are just that :)

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
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More studies are never bad and are always needed. I hope they get on with it.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
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Did you know...

That if something isn't there, it won't be found?

The number of studies, enormous studies, that have already been conducted on a link between autism and vaccines HAVE conclusively determined that there isn't one. It isn't for a lack of studies having been done - you cannot prove a negative, just like you cannot prove a god or deity of some kind doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on those making the claims that there is a god, and that there is a link. If no proof can be...

Did you know...

That if something isn't there, it won't be found?

The number of studies, enormous studies, that have already been conducted on a link between autism and vaccines HAVE conclusively determined that there isn't one. It isn't for a lack of studies having been done - you cannot prove a negative, just like you cannot prove a god or deity of some kind doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on those making the claims that there is a god, and that there is a link. If no proof can be delivered, especially after so much work has been done to find some, then it becomes more and more likely that such a link doesn't exist. At this stage, it can be considered conclusive, and a link has not been found not because not enough science has been done to look for one, but because there isn't one. It's like looking for a needles in a haystack, pulling the whole haystack apart and even using a metal detector to find it, and still not finding it. Do you keep searching because it hasn't been proven that there isn't a needle in the haystack, or do you stop searching because you know now that there definitely is no needle?

That's what this has become. Someone has decided that there is definitely a needle in that haystack, and doesn't like the idea of being wrong, can't accept that they are wrong, and are demanding that there is one there, even though the haystack has been thoroughly searched and found completely absent of needles. There is no link between vaccines and autism, and the science is finding more and more genetic links, and each time one is found, it further invalidates toxic causation.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
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How about you find out how many unvaccinated children have autism before you ask a silly question like that.

In the United Kingdom, researchers evaluated 498 autistic children born from 1979 through 1992 who were identified by computerized health records from 8 health districts [Taylor B, Miller E, Farrington CP, et al. Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. Lancet 1999;353:2026-9.]. Although a trend toward increasing autism...

How about you find out how many unvaccinated children have autism before you ask a silly question like that.

In the United Kingdom, researchers evaluated 498 autistic children born from 1979 through 1992 who were identified by computerized health records from 8 health districts [Taylor B, Miller E, Farrington CP, et al. Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. Lancet 1999;353:2026-9.]. Although a trend toward increasing autism diagnoses by year of birth was confirmed, no change in the rates of autism diagnoses after the 1987 introduction of MMR vaccine was observed. Further, MMR vaccination rates of autistic children were similar to those of the entire study population. Also, investigators did not observe a clustering of autism diagnoses relative to the time that children received MMR vaccine, nor did they observe a difference in age at autism diagnosis between those vaccinated and not vaccinated or between those vaccinated before or after 18 months of age. These authors also found no differences in autism rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated children when they extended their analysis to include a longer time after MMR exposure or a second dose of MMR [Farrington CP, Miller E, Taylor B. MMR and autism: further evidence against a causal association. Vaccine 2001;19:3632-5.].

Read more here: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Suzy Que

Or, you can ignore it in a fit of subjective validation that you can justify with a conspiracy theory of some kind. Either way, that's a pile of conclusive evidence against an autism-vaccine link right there. You don't have to like it - I didn't like it the day I found out my Nike shoes didn't make me better than anyone else, but the facts are facts, whether we like them or not.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Suzy Que

Fyi, studies are ongoing all the time, and new things are being discovered all the time. You should look up the latest Australian invention, a patch that requires far less vaccine and no injection, it goes into the skin instead of the muscle where there is more immune response. I'm not entirely up to date with the science of it all - it's very new and trials are still being done, although they've been approved for human trials now and received funding from a pharmaceutical company, which...

Fyi, studies are ongoing all the time, and new things are being discovered all the time. You should look up the latest Australian invention, a patch that requires far less vaccine and no injection, it goes into the skin instead of the muscle where there is more immune response. I'm not entirely up to date with the science of it all - it's very new and trials are still being done, although they've been approved for human trials now and received funding from a pharmaceutical company, which will improve their progress vastly. People fail to realise that it's not pharmaceutical companies that develop the vaccines, it's the pharmaceutical companies that provide funding for the ones that show promise after they've already been through extensive trials by scientists. No pharmaceutical company of its own accord has invented a vaccine. Australia's Ian Frazer was responsible for the HPV vaccine, and Offit invented the rotavirus vaccine. "Big Pharma" had nothing to do with the innovation, they just provided the funding for a demonstrably successful profit. It's called "investing", and businesses do it all the time - you should watch a show called Dragon's Den to see how cautious big business really is with high-risk endeavours. It'll give you an idea of how much work scientists have to put in before they see any money for their efforts from "big pharma"

Renee Friberg
Renee Friberg
  • Suzy Que

What would all of you do if you stepped on a very nasty, rusty nail?

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

Pull it out

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

Martin Bouckaert Read the outline draft of what they want to study in the link I provided Martin, exhaustive studies have not been done on ALL aspects of vaccines. MMR is only one aspect. Dr Sears talks about the GOLD standard, until this is acheived and definitve answers are found, I hold my postion and you can hold yours. see ya!

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves

Stephanie Scoyne is the real evidence and her child that vaccines are not safe plus check with the CDC and you will discover vaccines do harm and kill. the difference between anti-vaccine and pro-vaccine zombies is most anti-vaccine activists have seen first hand what vaccines can and do to our children and we do our research unlike pro-vaccine zombies who are evil paid scum! or just plain evil. I back up everything Stephine has said pharmaceutical companies are immune from prosecution, do...

Stephanie Scoyne is the real evidence and her child that vaccines are not safe plus check with the CDC and you will discover vaccines do harm and kill. the difference between anti-vaccine and pro-vaccine zombies is most anti-vaccine activists have seen first hand what vaccines can and do to our children and we do our research unlike pro-vaccine zombies who are evil paid scum! or just plain evil. I back up everything Stephine has said pharmaceutical companies are immune from prosecution, do your research. see that's the only immunity vaccines give a license to kill legally. A safe vaccine is one that is never used and the science surrounding vaccines is nothing more than voodoo science, corrupt political propaganda. If you think Vaccines are safe then have them and help Bill Gates meet his target by reducing the population by 15% per annum and stop us listening to your lies.

Michael Simpson
Michael Simpson
  • Alan James Greaves

95% of children in the USA are vaccinated prior to entering kindergarten. Obviously, this poll, typical of everything on the internet, is skewed by whomever has the loudest voice. The default position of the vast majority of Americans is to get their children vaccinated and make them safe from communicable diseases. Smart choice.

What we need to do to get the remaining 5% vaccinated is get rid of the philosophical exemptions. That has no place in a rational world. And as for religious...

95% of children in the USA are vaccinated prior to entering kindergarten. Obviously, this poll, typical of everything on the internet, is skewed by whomever has the loudest voice. The default position of the vast majority of Americans is to get their children vaccinated and make them safe from communicable diseases. Smart choice.

What we need to do to get the remaining 5% vaccinated is get rid of the philosophical exemptions. That has no place in a rational world. And as for religious exemptions? Well, home school your kids or send them to religious schools (which mostly require vaccinations). I mean let's get real. How many mainstream religions actually don't allow vaccinations? And how many of these anti-vaxxers actually belong to them? Yeah, that's what I thought, none. Besides, public schools shouldn't allow any religious context to be a part of the student discussion. Keep creationism, prayer, and certainly some lame, non-existant, reason to cheat the system excuse to not get vaccines out of public schools. Oh, why can I say this? Because the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution keeps religions out of Public Schools for 50 years.

There we go. If you want your kid in public schools, vaccinate them. Otherwise, shut up, and do whatever you want.

Which apparently over 95% of Americans do. There we go, less than 5% of Americans belong to this fringe belief. Same group that believes in the Loch Ness Monster probably. :)

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

anecdotes from a mother who had a bad experience and is therefore emotionally biased in her opinions are not scientific evidence of anything at all. vaccines do have risks, but they are minimal and vastly outweighed by the benefits. no one here is evil, or being paid to have a different opinion to you. however, you are a moron.

Stephanie Marie
Stephanie Marie
  • Alan James Greaves

I followed my doctors recommendations my boys got all their shots, I thought they(the shots) were healthy and something you just had to do. My son's experience and the detrimental effects it had on him are real and you can not blow it off. The very way the body works is what is causing all these health problems people have now. The body is killing itself to rid itself of the junk injected. It is a normal reaction. Keep that in mind, the very way the body behaves when injected with toxins is...

I followed my doctors recommendations my boys got all their shots, I thought they(the shots) were healthy and something you just had to do. My son's experience and the detrimental effects it had on him are real and you can not blow it off. The very way the body works is what is causing all these health problems people have now. The body is killing itself to rid itself of the junk injected. It is a normal reaction. Keep that in mind, the very way the body behaves when injected with toxins is a NORMAL reaction and this reaction is what causes long term/life long effects. So vaccines are doing what they are suppose to do, even when "something goes wrong".

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

I'm not blowing off that something happened to your son, I'm just blowing off that it was caused by the vaccines unless you have medical evidence (and not just your gut feeling or some correlation) to the contrary. The body doesn't kill itself. If what you're saying is true, then EVERYONE who got vaccinated would have a serious reaction, and that just doesn't happen at all.

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey
  • Alan James Greaves

I used to believe in vaccines until my son was severely vaccine damaged so although I would never have any future children vaccinated. I have indeed learned the hard way through vaccinating my son and my beautiful boy has made the ultimate sacrifice for this to of happened otherwise I would most likely and sadly still be for vaccinations. No one should have to make these deliberate sacrifices least of all ones child. What kind of greater good is that?

Wendy Ferris
Wendy Ferris
  • Alan James Greaves

39% will follow the vaccine schedule and 49% will never vaccinate!!! It is great to see that parents are doing there homework.

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey
  • Alan James Greaves

http://www.facebook.com/Autism.Hurts.ABA.Helps For more info. about the risks associated with vaccines and up to date news involving autism and vaccines please visit the link in this post and keep informed. Good luck everyone we will all need it.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Alan James Greaves

Mistie, if the majority of the pharmaceutical industry were to say, tomorrow, "Actually, vaccines are a scam! Every effectiveness study in history that found positive results was bought off! We don't care if they're safe (we could have made them all inert, but we thought we'd throw in some scary-sounding chemicals for laughs), we just wanted to make money!" then I guess we'd have to believe them. Just like if the motor vehicle industry said they don't do any safety tests, they just want to...

Mistie, if the majority of the pharmaceutical industry were to say, tomorrow, "Actually, vaccines are a scam! Every effectiveness study in history that found positive results was bought off! We don't care if they're safe (we could have made them all inert, but we thought we'd throw in some scary-sounding chemicals for laughs), we just wanted to make money!" then I guess we'd have to believe them. Just like if the motor vehicle industry said they don't do any safety tests, they just want to sell cars. Or if the mobile telecommunications industry admitted that mobile phones definitely cause cancer, but they wanted to sell phones. The list goes on, Mistie --- what are you trying to prove with that argument?

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams

Vaccinations are not a Prevention , or a cure! What it does is Supress your immune system from fighting back. Get Educated, I challenge you to, find out! Children are dying at a alarming rate! Autism is at a alarming rate! If you don't think one thing has to do with the other, than you are misinformed! Billionaire corporations using more preservatives, for a longer shelf life, for more Profits! Educate yourself, investigate! To all those who have lost their children: Iam so very sorry, God bless you, BE A VOICE, tell everyone!

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Your insane, vaccine do not save lives they kill and harm in many ways, you are the one who is wrong not i, vaccines are lethal poison and should not ever be injected into the body, the immune system needs only nutrition to be healthy. Poison in the blood stream will aways cause a reaction but that is not protection in any way. And you are very wrong a 4lb baby taking one vaccine would mean a 150lb man would have too take 25 of the same shot at the same time, we are not talking immune...

Your insane, vaccine do not save lives they kill and harm in many ways, you are the one who is wrong not i, vaccines are lethal poison and should not ever be injected into the body, the immune system needs only nutrition to be healthy. Poison in the blood stream will aways cause a reaction but that is not protection in any way. And you are very wrong a 4lb baby taking one vaccine would mean a 150lb man would have too take 25 of the same shot at the same time, we are not talking immune protection here but the equal amount of poison injected into the body, can a 4lb baby survive the poison without harm or death and could a 150lb man survive 25 of the same shot at the same time. Your nothing but a sick brain dead zombie who is full of lies and twists the truth for what reason only you know that but one thing is true every child that is not vaccinated is a life saved from harm and death, it is the vaccines that are killing not the fact that a body is pure blood. If a person suffers a disease then the natural health immune system will defend and fight it but if you shot someone with vaccine poison the immune system must fight all that poison plus if by some rare chance have to fight a disease. Many disease are very mild and never a threat to any one, any serious disease are vaccinated manmade poison. the biggest diseases are corrupt politicians, corporate scum and vaccines. Vaccines are the cause of spreading disease and we will win the fight, the more wake up the stronger the truth becomes, your lies kill and one day will get you killed too.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Good nutrition,modern sanitation, uncontaminated water , waste disposal and personal hygiene all help kill disease never one vaccine, but your zombie who do not think. paid to lie.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Take away the money to wipe out the diseases.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves
  • April Garcia Adams

Vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2B in damages to parents in America whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs such as the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) or DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus). In all, around 2,000 families have received compensation payments that have averaged $850,000 each. There are a further 700 claims that are going through the pipeline. None of the claims is for autism as medical researchers say they have failed to find a link between the disease...

Vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2B in damages to parents in America whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs such as the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) or DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus). In all, around 2,000 families have received compensation payments that have averaged $850,000 each. There are a further 700 claims that are going through the pipeline. None of the claims is for autism as medical researchers say they have failed to find a link between the disease and the MMR vaccine, despite the initial findings made by Dr Andrew Wakefield. Instead they are for a wide spectrum of physical and mental conditions that are likely to have been caused by one of the vaccinations. Around 7,000 parents have filed a claim of an adverse reaction with America's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). To win an award, the claimant must prove a causal link to a vaccine. As the medical establishment has refused to recognise any link to autism, the VICP has so far rejected 300 claims for this outright. (Source: New England Journal of Medicine)Medicine.

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams
  • April Garcia Adams

Vaccinations are not a Prevention , or a cure! What it does is Supress your immune system from fighting back. Get Educated, I challenge you to, find out! Children are dying at a alarming rate! Autism is at a alarming rate! If you don't think one thing has to do with the other, than you are misinformed! Billionaire corporations using more preservatives, for a longer shelf life, for more Profits! Educate yourself, investigate! To all those who have lost their children: Iam so very sorry, God bless you, BE A VOICE, tell everyone!

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams
  • April Garcia Adams

To those who think Vaccinations are safe, these are not the Vaccinations from 60 years ago! They are preservatives of Metals, for a longer shelf life---to make more profits without a loss! The dumb masses is what these billionaire industry's think of us, and if your fooled by a independent report-written by this industry, or a beautiful commercial, I hope you or your family never has to experience Death after Vaccine! Or the loss of holding and talking to your child-who now hasAutism,...

To those who think Vaccinations are safe, these are not the Vaccinations from 60 years ago! They are preservatives of Metals, for a longer shelf life---to make more profits without a loss! The dumb masses is what these billionaire industry's think of us, and if your fooled by a independent report-written by this industry, or a beautiful commercial, I hope you or your family never has to experience Death after Vaccine! Or the loss of holding and talking to your child-who now hasAutism, after the MMR Vaccine! Are people seriously fooled by this alarming, widespread epidemic created by big Pharma? Everyday? Well Iam educated! We live it everyday! And Iam apart of the Dumb Masses, that is not fooled by your advertisement on Happy Healthy Children! Junk Science- getting very rich on the Heartache you are causing! The truth will, come out for everyone to see!

April Garcia Adams
April Garcia Adams
  • April Garcia Adams

We are talking about vaccines and the Damage they are causing! Everyday! And that IS FACT! Not the car companies or what it was like 60 years ago( Jared & Martin) The Fact is.. Vaccinations ARE causing AUTISM and ARE KILLING CHILDREN! So apparently you don't care, have no children ( Now) and if you do, I really hope you never have to experience it, even if it takes that tragedy to open your eyes!

Lisa Brooker
Lisa Brooker
  • April Garcia Adams

Vaccines do not harm our children people! Why would doctors put years of research iinto something you all think will harm our babies! Vaccines were created to will help protect our children from the moment they are born. Or are they just injecting babies for the sake of it? I don't think so! Do you really think it would be legal to inject tiny babies with something that isn't good for them...

Amber Genevieve
Amber Genevieve

Until long-term safety studies are performed, I will not vaccinate my precious child. Not sure what is meant by vaccinating homeopathically...

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

Long-term safety studies are being performed all the time, and those of us that are vaccinated are its subjects. So far, they are passing with flying colours. No vaccine enters circulation without at least 3 phases of heavy duty trials. The rotavirus vaccine took twenty years to see any sort of usage.

And before you say "I didn't sign up to be a part of a trial," we are all a part of all kinds of trials. Life is a trial. Errors are made, and we learn from them. It's how science is done to a...

Long-term safety studies are being performed all the time, and those of us that are vaccinated are its subjects. So far, they are passing with flying colours. No vaccine enters circulation without at least 3 phases of heavy duty trials. The rotavirus vaccine took twenty years to see any sort of usage.

And before you say "I didn't sign up to be a part of a trial," we are all a part of all kinds of trials. Life is a trial. Errors are made, and we learn from them. It's how science is done to a large degree. And the evidence that proves vaccines are safe and effective far outweighs any evidence that they are not

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Amber Genevieve

vaccine = substance
homeopathy = dilution in plain water till nothing left of...
homeopathy vaccine = dilution in plain water till nothing left of substance..

Long term safety studies have been carried out.. Willful blindness to these facts is no excuse... Especially when your children are at greater danger without vaccines..

Erica Dickson-Hubbard
Erica Dickson-Hubbard
  • Amber Genevieve

If the rotavirus vaccine had twenty years of safety studies then they should have known that it cause a life threatening illness...intussusception, which is when your intestines twist. This is newborns, yep, that's safe! Rotavirus is not a big deal, you vomit, have diarrhea and get better. Not potentially die or require emergency surgery. Not a very good example to use :)

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

Erica Hubbard The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) licensed RotaTeq® (Merck & Co., Inc.) in February 2006 and Rotarix® (GSK Biologicals) in April 2008 for routine use in U.S. infants to prevent severe rotavirus disease in infants and children. Because a previous rotavirus vaccine, RotaShield® (Wyeth-Ayerst), was associated with intussusception, a form of bowel obstruction, the risk of this adverse event was specifically evaluated in a large pre-licensure trial for each vaccine. In these...

Erica Hubbard The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) licensed RotaTeq® (Merck & Co., Inc.) in February 2006 and Rotarix® (GSK Biologicals) in April 2008 for routine use in U.S. infants to prevent severe rotavirus disease in infants and children. Because a previous rotavirus vaccine, RotaShield® (Wyeth-Ayerst), was associated with intussusception, a form of bowel obstruction, the risk of this adverse event was specifically evaluated in a large pre-licensure trial for each vaccine. In these trials, each involving over 60,000 participants, conducted mainly in Finland and the United States for RotaTeq and in 11 Latin American countries for Rotarix, no increased risk for intussusception was observed. Post-marketing surveillance for intussusception is ongoing in many countries. On September 22, 2010, FDA approved a label change for Rotarix to advise practitioners of new data regarding intussusception from an evaluation in Mexico by GSK

So you see, the vaccine that WAS causing intussusception was withdrawn and replaced with one that doesn't. This demonstrates the regulators are doing their job, and the trial and error process of science, especially medical science. No one died from the intussusception that the vaccine caused.

As for the rotavirus.... "you vomit, have diarrhea and get better" do you? I've experienced a case of rotavirus in boarding school, over a decade ago before a vaccine existed. I went through it wishing I could just die.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/rotavirus/unprotected-story.htm

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

I specifically like the part in that which says "No. Rotavirus vaccine should not be given to a baby who has had intussusception because there may be an increased risk of the condition recurring." Yep, and while there's a big pharma cover up of the harm that vaccines are doing, there's a complete openness about the legitimate risks associated with vaccination. That makes sense /derp

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Amber Genevieve

why... it's almost as if they don't want you to know what kind of legitimate harm the vaccines can do by telling you stuff like that... oh, wait, there's no conspiracy, and vaccine manufacturers aren't trying to cover up the risks. They are, in fact, quite open about them, as this document demonstrates.

Amber Genevieve
Amber Genevieve
  • Amber Genevieve

Martin we simply disagree. The fact that there are hundreds of thousands of adverse events reported and growing to me means there are safety issues. In my opinion that's doesn't equate to' rare' as a great deal of vaccine supporters say the incidence is. And if you have long-term safety studies you can share with me that are done by non-biased third parties I would be more than happy to read them. The fact that Merck and a few others have been proven to have manipulated results in their...

Martin we simply disagree. The fact that there are hundreds of thousands of adverse events reported and growing to me means there are safety issues. In my opinion that's doesn't equate to' rare' as a great deal of vaccine supporters say the incidence is. And if you have long-term safety studies you can share with me that are done by non-biased third parties I would be more than happy to read them. The fact that Merck and a few others have been proven to have manipulated results in their studies makes me feel that they are untrustworthy. Forgive me but that is how I feel. I didn't vote to engage in a debate, I simply wanted to vote and very briefly explain why.

Amber Genevieve
Amber Genevieve
  • Amber Genevieve

Really Andrea?? "Before rotavirus vaccine became available in Australia, almost every child was infected by rotavirus by the age of 5 years. About 10,000 young children were in hospital with rotavirus gastroenteritis each year and up to one young child a year died from complications." One death, ONE. And yes 10,000 hospitalizations isn't one however with proper medical care, it is very rarely fatal, and when it is it's usually due to dehydration. Now, if someone doesn't take their child to...

Really Andrea?? "Before rotavirus vaccine became available in Australia, almost every child was infected by rotavirus by the age of 5 years. About 10,000 young children were in hospital with rotavirus gastroenteritis each year and up to one young child a year died from complications." One death, ONE. And yes 10,000 hospitalizations isn't one however with proper medical care, it is very rarely fatal, and when it is it's usually due to dehydration. Now, if someone doesn't take their child to get medical care after a day's worth of diarrhea then they don't deserve to be a parent. You'd have to be pretty dumb to let that happen.

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