Joe Jared
Joe Jared

Our daughter has never been vaccinated and never been sick. Making a person sick to prevent them from getting sick makes as much sense as going to war for peace.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Joe Jared

That's a very long bow to draw.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Joe Jared

You really hit the nail on the head Joe. Brilliant!

Michaël Henkens
Michaël Henkens
  • Joe Jared

so cutting in a person to remove a malign tumor also makes no sense, Joe?

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Joe Jared

going to war for peace? gee.. maybe the allies should have laid down in WWI and WWII ... way to hit a Nail with a piece of wet lettuce

Jamie Masciantonio
Jamie Masciantonio
  • Joe Jared

Using that argument, my daughter has been vaccinated and never been ill......so which one of our statements proves that vaccinating (or not vaccinating) is the right way to go?

Colin Jenkins
Colin Jenkins
  • Joe Jared

It's called freeloading Joe. Selfishly using the safe space (afforded by herd immunity) created by those of use that enter a social contract and vaccinate - when that space is needed by those that are too young or too ill to get vaccinated. Not vaccinating affects those around you - thus is not a personal choice like hairstyle.

Joe Jared
Joe Jared
  • Joe Jared

It makes more sense to properly treat the patient with substances known to reduce tumors, such as DCA, THC and the Thundergod vine. Chemo is an abomination.

Joe Jared
Joe Jared
  • Joe Jared

Jamie Masciantonio I and most of my family had childhood asthma and I also had quite a few allergies. My daughter is perfectly healthy, and thanks to clean water and healthy organic foods, has yet to be sick.

Joe Jared
Joe Jared
  • Joe Jared

Colin Jenkins That is nothing short of used cow food. If anything, and given that nearly every epidemic was actually caused by vaccines and especially, improper storage, your child is more a threat to my family than my daughter is. You may want to research the Whooping cough epidemic in Washington. More than 85% of who got sick, were vaccinated.

Lyle Filer
Lyle Filer

It's so discusting that some people would put their children at risk of such terrible diseases just because of some idiot telling them the vaccines are not safe, if you choose not to vaccinate you are a bad parent! Should just leave your children's seatbelts off in the car or not let them wear a helmet when riding a bike, I guess some people just have no idea about risk versus benefit

Bec Filer
Bec Filer
  • Lyle Filer

Sometimes the vaccination is blamed for conditions that it has not caused as well..

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Lyle Filer

Shanel de Schot I have friends who have autistic children and they too blame vaccines. But the connection between autism and vaccines has been so thoroughly disproven that it is almost impossible that vaccines were to blame. However, I can't blame the parents for latching onto anything as a possible cause for something so sad and unfair. The fact that the family has decided not to vaccinate their other children is sad, but it's very understandable.

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

There was a clear correlation between the cerebral palsy and the vaccination for the child in question. The child's older sibling had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and the child was premature so should not have been vaccinated when she was even though it was the standard time for babies. The doctor was found guilty of medical malpractice because of the circumstances in which the vaccine was given; the vaccine clearly caused the cerebral palsy in this child. Although there are may be...

There was a clear correlation between the cerebral palsy and the vaccination for the child in question. The child's older sibling had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and the child was premature so should not have been vaccinated when she was even though it was the standard time for babies. The doctor was found guilty of medical malpractice because of the circumstances in which the vaccine was given; the vaccine clearly caused the cerebral palsy in this child. Although there are may be flip cases where a child has died from a condition that could have been prevented by vaccination, in this case the vaccine has done more damage than good. This child that was otherwise healthy is now confined to a wheelchair and is completely dependent on her parents for all forms of care.

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

I think it is pretty ignorant of you to say that they are bad parents. What qualifies you to be able to make that judgement? I think a good parent is one who looks into it and researches all information instead of making such a narrow-minded comment

Lyle Filer
Lyle Filer
  • Lyle Filer

Shanel one of the most dangerous things you can do in life is be in a motor vehicle but yet you decide that the benefit of getting some where fast is far better than the high (far higher than a negative reaction to a vaccine) chance of dying or being injured in a car crash. A doctor doing the wrong thing is an isolated insistence and happens with a lot of things not just vaccinations and the problem with ppl trying to do "research" on vaccines is that there is so much misinformation out...

Shanel one of the most dangerous things you can do in life is be in a motor vehicle but yet you decide that the benefit of getting some where fast is far better than the high (far higher than a negative reaction to a vaccine) chance of dying or being injured in a car crash. A doctor doing the wrong thing is an isolated insistence and happens with a lot of things not just vaccinations and the problem with ppl trying to do "research" on vaccines is that there is so much misinformation out there that many parents will think they are not safe even though they are! Also do not want my daughter being put at risk simply because there are parents out there who don't understand risk versus benefit!

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

How can you say they are safe? There is a lot of research to say they are safe but then there is plenty of other research to say about the risks involved. It is a well known fact that there are risks involved with any vaccination. I think unless you have experienced the risks and negative reactions that may happen then you don't have a right to criticize those parents that don't want to get their children vaccinated. I am not saying all vaccinations are wrong and children should not be...

How can you say they are safe? There is a lot of research to say they are safe but then there is plenty of other research to say about the risks involved. It is a well known fact that there are risks involved with any vaccination. I think unless you have experienced the risks and negative reactions that may happen then you don't have a right to criticize those parents that don't want to get their children vaccinated. I am not saying all vaccinations are wrong and children should not be vaccinated at all because I do know there are benefits. But it is a parents choice and they shouldn't be criticized and called a bad parent for making that choice if they can back up their decision. So Lyle, in the case of the family friend who didn't vaccinate their children b/c of the chance of them too getting cerebral palsy you would say they are bad parents? Because as they have to wash, feed, and change the nappies of their 20 year old daughter (all because of a vaccination), I say they are a damn good parent and completely understand and respect their decision of not vaccinating their other children.

Bec Filer
Bec Filer
  • Lyle Filer

I say everyone calm the fuck down we all have our opinions

Bec Filer
Bec Filer
  • Lyle Filer

Shanel you are using one case as a basis for your argument where the doctor obviously should have known better. This is not so for all babies and vaccinations.

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

I am perfectly calm and I know this is only one example but it is one example to counter Lyle's sweeping generalisation that all parents who do not vaccinate their children are bad parents. The doctor should have known better but at the end of the day, the vaccine still caused this and so it is well within these parents' right to choose not to vaccine their other children. There are other less serious cases that show vaccines can cause side-effects, that's why doctors routinely warn you....

I am perfectly calm and I know this is only one example but it is one example to counter Lyle's sweeping generalisation that all parents who do not vaccinate their children are bad parents. The doctor should have known better but at the end of the day, the vaccine still caused this and so it is well within these parents' right to choose not to vaccine their other children. There are other less serious cases that show vaccines can cause side-effects, that's why doctors routinely warn you. Yes, we do all have our opinion but this goes beyond that in arbitrarily condemning and attacking all parents who choose not to vaccinate their children as "disgusting".

Lyle Filer
Lyle Filer
  • Lyle Filer

So if they made an "informed" choice I would assume they were told by a doctor that their other children were at high risk of complications and they shouldn't vaccinate them? If not then I stick to my previous statement because if people's kids are able to be vaccinated then good parents will vaccinate them!

Mandy McDonald
Mandy McDonald

I am wondering if the people that say we are selfish and ignorant and living in the dark ages, have actually done any research into vaccinations themselves? You may be surprised that we that make this decision have read both sides of the argument and have decided the best for our family and which risk we are prepared to take for them - yes! vaccinations have many risks as well and we are also aware that not vaccinating has some risks that must be considered. But, it's not just about not...

I am wondering if the people that say we are selfish and ignorant and living in the dark ages, have actually done any research into vaccinations themselves? You may be surprised that we that make this decision have read both sides of the argument and have decided the best for our family and which risk we are prepared to take for them - yes! vaccinations have many risks as well and we are also aware that not vaccinating has some risks that must be considered. But, it's not just about not vaccinating, it's also about making other health choices for your children that will give them a strong immune system so they can fight illnesses that will inevitably come their way. Please don't condemn us for our decisions to care for our family. And if vaccinations are so effective, then how are we putting other people at risk? Shouldn't they be protected by their vaccinations? Unvaccinated children are not the only ones that can contract and pass on diseases.
i could go on, but will let you do your own reading and see what you find out.

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen
  • Mandy McDonald

Unfortunately, if you knew how to do research properly rather than selectively looking at Anti-Vax propaganda, you would clearly see that the evidence that supports the benefit of vaccination far outweighs the potential risks. You get no respect from me.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Mandy McDonald

and you get none from me...we're all entited to our opinions and decisions.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Mandy McDonald

Susie Walsh Yes, you are entitled to opinions and decisions. Once you try to convince others of your point of view you are encouraging unhealthy decisions. That may just be out of bounds.

Mandy McDonald
Mandy McDonald
  • Mandy McDonald

thanks, I am great at doing research and looking at both sides of the argument. The risk I am willing to take on behalf of my own children is my own choice, and not for anyone else to decide. You may wish to take a different risk with your own children, if you have any. I don't need your respect, I am happy with my choices and will continue to make the best choices for my family - I don't speak for others, just defend my rights to make those choices freely.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Mandy McDonald

Yes, you have that choice. And I prefer (as does our society) that your children not go to school with my children.

Carole Sarvis
Carole Sarvis
  • Mandy McDonald

the ones who are not protected and are dying are the tiny babies who are too young to be vaccinated! Continue your reading.

Carole Sarvis
Carole Sarvis
  • Mandy McDonald

No one who has whooping cough or seen a child or adult with it would seriously want to expose their own offspring to the same suffering and potential death. I know whereof I speak for I had whooping cough as a child. I also survived bad bouts of measles, mumps and chicken pox. I was lucky I did not get polio but a cousin of mine did, he lived with a polio result of a withered arm and a shortened leg from aged 12 until he died a few years ago after many years of poor health and poor quality of life due to post-polio syndrome.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Mandy McDonald

Mandy McDonald You have the right to your own opinion, but that does not mean people have to respect it and you do not have the right to your own facts. I suggest you do some Real research, instead of looking up BS conspiracy sites and thinking that is "true" information. Man people are so gullible. This gullibility wouldn't bother me if it weren't endangering not only your child, but the population at large. So, if your kid or anyone else's who champions this "cause" contracts polio...

Mandy McDonald You have the right to your own opinion, but that does not mean people have to respect it and you do not have the right to your own facts. I suggest you do some Real research, instead of looking up BS conspiracy sites and thinking that is "true" information. Man people are so gullible. This gullibility wouldn't bother me if it weren't endangering not only your child, but the population at large. So, if your kid or anyone else's who champions this "cause" contracts polio or hepatitis, etc... you have no one to blame but yourself.

Mandy McDonald
Mandy McDonald
  • Mandy McDonald

I don't rely on the internet for my research, I use many sources to make my judgement. Where do you get your information from? Your own research, or do you choose to believe the medical community? I am also not gullible, I think you are for believing that vaccination is a flawless 100% effective and safe option because it is not.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Mandy McDonald

No, I don't think they are "flawless" but they are pretty close with very few side effects. "do you choose to believe the medical community" Since doctors and scientists are the experts and best sources for info in this case, yes, I tend to go with their opinions. Not some crackpot propaganda site that you and others are sadly falling for. Do you believe in chem trails, area 51, Obama's a Muslim,etc too? I feel sorry for people like you :(

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng

Sure. Blame the internet for the rise in people not choosing to vaccinate their kids. If vaccines were 100% safe and effective no tool would be able to convince people to not vaccinate their kids. People who don't vaccinate their kids do not make that decision lightly. There has to be a compelling reason for them to go against what is considered mainstream because all parents want the best for their kids. Thank God for the Internet so that all people can do their own research and have...

Sure. Blame the internet for the rise in people not choosing to vaccinate their kids. If vaccines were 100% safe and effective no tool would be able to convince people to not vaccinate their kids. People who don't vaccinate their kids do not make that decision lightly. There has to be a compelling reason for them to go against what is considered mainstream because all parents want the best for their kids. Thank God for the Internet so that all people can do their own research and have the freedom to decide for themselves which path they want to take not only regarding vaccination but for every decision they make in life. Long live the Internet!

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

As an adult, who was raised in an anti-vaccine family, I feel I must say your statement is foolish. You are playing to the Nirvana Fallacy. NOTHING in life is without some form of risk, not even getting out of bed in the morning. Science is quite aware of what the risks of vaccinating are, but compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent, it is much more dangerous not to opt for vaccination. I had mumps at age 6, watched a younger sister nearly die from meningitis when she was one, I...

As an adult, who was raised in an anti-vaccine family, I feel I must say your statement is foolish. You are playing to the Nirvana Fallacy. NOTHING in life is without some form of risk, not even getting out of bed in the morning. Science is quite aware of what the risks of vaccinating are, but compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent, it is much more dangerous not to opt for vaccination. I had mumps at age 6, watched a younger sister nearly die from meningitis when she was one, I had pertussis at 17 which left me with permanent damage to my lungs. Not to mention all the times my siblings and I were removed from school due to measles outbreaks in our area. The anti-vaccine movement has always been around, since inoculations were first being done, and the arguments against them hasn't changed over the years. It's just a lot easier now to get access to incorrect information and anti-vaccination myths, due to wide spread use of Google. Emotional appeals on the Internet, while they can sound plausible, when compared to actual science, leave a lot to be desired. Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health, and the fact is, our world is much healthier since vaccination became wide spread. Vaccination has eliminated Rinderpest, smallpox and is well on it's way to eradicating polio as well. Here's the thing, that is the actual aim of vaccinations to begin with, eradicating disease! With the diseases gone, vaccines would not longer be necessary, and by not vaccinating, you are hindering the job of eradication and prolonging the vaccination periods of disease control and prevention. So if you want to eliminating vaccination, get your kids vaccinated to help eliminate disease!

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Lara, you seem to think that if someone is not sick then they are healthy. Now that is a foolish statement. You seem to think vaccinations is the only way to protect your body from disease when our body's immune system has protected the human species way before vaccines were even invented. If you bothered to do your research you will know that you only get sick if your immune system has been compromised. The first thing you should be doing is take a good hard look at what you are feeding...

Lara, you seem to think that if someone is not sick then they are healthy. Now that is a foolish statement. You seem to think vaccinations is the only way to protect your body from disease when our body's immune system has protected the human species way before vaccines were even invented. If you bothered to do your research you will know that you only get sick if your immune system has been compromised. The first thing you should be doing is take a good hard look at what you are feeding yourself and your kids and see whether the food you are eating is making your immune system stronger or making it weaker. 9 times out of 10 the people who get sick most often are the ones that consume large amounts of processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's. Just like a car, your immune system requires the right type of fuel to operate efficiently. Try filling your car up with Coca Cola and see how it runs. Furthermore, even vaccines rely on your immune system to be strong for it to work. A weak immune system will not protect you from any disease regardless whether you are vaccinate or not. Oh by the way, viruses mutate so is nearly impossible to completely eradicate a disease so the number of vaccines can only go up not down. Time to look outside the box I say.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

That is a highly speculative assumption seeing as how you don't know me and I can't see any way you could draw that conclusion based on what I said. I am well aware that a person can be unhealthy even if they aren't sick. However, vaccination can help a person who may be unhealthy to give them the little extra boost to fight off an infection without suffering through the disease, then a person who is healthy and unvaccinated. Measles virus won't care how healthy you are if it comes across...

That is a highly speculative assumption seeing as how you don't know me and I can't see any way you could draw that conclusion based on what I said. I am well aware that a person can be unhealthy even if they aren't sick. However, vaccination can help a person who may be unhealthy to give them the little extra boost to fight off an infection without suffering through the disease, then a person who is healthy and unvaccinated. Measles virus won't care how healthy you are if it comes across your path. It is the single most highly contagious pathogen on the planet, if it finds you, and you don't already have immunity from vaccination, you will get measles. Why put yourself through that? Why allow a virus or bacteria to infect you and cause you to suffer when there is a vaccine to prevent it from happening? That just doesn't make sense in my book, it never did really.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

I'm not sure why my reply keeps disappearing, but I've replied twice and both times it disappears. Oh well, you aren't ever going to get it until a virus strikes.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Robert Tseng

Robert, You have some nerve talking to Lara like that with your conspiracy paranoid BS after she gave her account of what she had to endure because her parents Chose not to vaccinate her and her sister who almost died. You people are endangering everyone with your careless, paranoid, selfish behavior. I bet you believe in chem trails, area 51 and other BS like that too, huh? You are making two separate arguments and trying to make them work together. What food people eat to keep themselves...

Robert, You have some nerve talking to Lara like that with your conspiracy paranoid BS after she gave her account of what she had to endure because her parents Chose not to vaccinate her and her sister who almost died. You people are endangering everyone with your careless, paranoid, selfish behavior. I bet you believe in chem trails, area 51 and other BS like that too, huh? You are making two separate arguments and trying to make them work together. What food people eat to keep themselves healthy has nothing to do with childhood vaccinations. Why don't YOU go do some real research before opening your mouth and making bogus arguments.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Lara, the toxins contained in those vaccines can do more damage than the disease itself. I eat well and make sure my children do the same. I will gladly take my chances with the disease than impair my bodies ability to fight of the disease. You mentioned that "Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health" but being healthy is a choice. Every time your grab a chocolate bar instead of an apple, you have made a conscience decision that you are happy to damage your body...

Lara, the toxins contained in those vaccines can do more damage than the disease itself. I eat well and make sure my children do the same. I will gladly take my chances with the disease than impair my bodies ability to fight of the disease. You mentioned that "Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health" but being healthy is a choice. Every time your grab a chocolate bar instead of an apple, you have made a conscience decision that you are happy to damage your body in exchange for a few moments of pleasure. That is fine because you have that right and no one can take it away from you. It is unfortunate that you had to suffer as a child and I can understand why you want as many parents to vaccinate their children in the "hope" that their children don't suffer the same fate as you did but by not giving people a choice means you are forcing this onto them and this is not the right way to go about it and that is what I am opposed to.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Fara, your comment is one of the most ridiculous comments I have encountered. I am not going to waste my time talking to someone who clearly does not have a clue.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Robert Tseng

Why because it calls you out on your logical fallacy argument? You are the one without a clue, brainwashed by propaganda you've read on nut job websites. Everyone knows that people should eat well, you are making a false connection based on junk science. It amazes me how just how many gullible people there are out there. I feel sorry for you and your children.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to...

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to make an informed decision. Everything is related and the decision you make starts a chain reaction that could be for the better or the worse. The fact you don't understand this means I should be the one feeling sorry for you but I don't because it is my choice.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to...

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to make an informed decision. Everything is related and your decision will start a chain reaction for the better or worse for your body. The fact that you do not understand this simple relationship means I should be the one feeling sorry for you but I don't because that is my choice.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn

WOW! I can not believe 32% said none at all. Do these people realize that they are not only risking their child's life, but others as well? What a completely selfish and ignorant thing to do.

Michaël Henkens
Michaël Henkens
  • Fara Dawn

it's a sad day when people revert to believing in a book that's 2k years old and refuse to trust in science. although i must say this backwardness seems mostly restricted to the US.. don't they teach about the dark ages over there?

Merran Willems
Merran Willems
  • Fara Dawn

Wow Fara! How ignorant are you?! The vaccinated are the ones spreading diseases! Please research before making such an ignorant comment

Scott Hansen
Scott Hansen
  • Fara Dawn

BAHAHAHAHA. Really? I love it when anti vaxers project.

Please explain the mechanisms by which the vacinated are spreading disease. I would dearly love to know just how vaccines that contain attenuated pathogens, completely dead pathogens or simply proteins can make others sick.

You tell Fara to do her research, yet you clearly don't have the slightest clue about what you are dribbling about.

John PB
John PB
  • Fara Dawn

Most of this is fallout from the false claims that thermisol gave kids austism. This was a claim supported by a false scientific study now utterly refuted. Many outbreaks of measles and whooping cough here in the states. These people are nuts.

Gabi Brindle
Gabi Brindle
  • Fara Dawn

If your vaccinated child is sitting next to an unvaccinated child, and your child contracts one of the diseases they were vaccinated for...why did you vaccinate in the first place? Isn't the vaccine supposed to protect you from the disease??

Why did we need to vaccinate our children for varicella to prevent shingles, but now we need a shingles vaccine, too?

Why does it seem like flu season never starts until they set up vaccination tables at the grocery store?

Listen, I am all for...

If your vaccinated child is sitting next to an unvaccinated child, and your child contracts one of the diseases they were vaccinated for...why did you vaccinate in the first place? Isn't the vaccine supposed to protect you from the disease??

Why did we need to vaccinate our children for varicella to prevent shingles, but now we need a shingles vaccine, too?

Why does it seem like flu season never starts until they set up vaccination tables at the grocery store?

Listen, I am all for vaccinations that prevent diseases....but I'm not going to be so naive to assume the drug companies aren't making big bucks off our paranoia. Vaccinate or don't- it makes little difference to me because my kid is vaccinated. All except that varicella crap. No thanks. She's been exposed to chicken pox several times and hasn't caught it. You know who has? The kids who were in between dose 1 and dose 2.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Fara Dawn

Gabi Brindle Er, we didn't vaccinate our children to prevent shingles. We did it to prevent chicken pox. Shingles happens many years later after the vaccine has worn off. And who gets shingles? Mostly people who had chicken pox.

Gabi Brindle
Gabi Brindle
  • Fara Dawn

That is not what we were told, Daniel. We were told that it was a vaccination that would help prevent shingles later in life. Thankfully I did not buy that line of bull. And now there are shingles vaccines. I am pro-choice on the topic of vaccinations. You pump your kid full of whatever you want.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/shingles/DS00098/DSECTION=prevention

Neither the shingles vaccine nor the varicella vaccine guarantee you won't get shingles, but BOTH have been approved as a...

That is not what we were told, Daniel. We were told that it was a vaccination that would help prevent shingles later in life. Thankfully I did not buy that line of bull. And now there are shingles vaccines. I am pro-choice on the topic of vaccinations. You pump your kid full of whatever you want.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/shingles/DS00098/DSECTION=prevention

Neither the shingles vaccine nor the varicella vaccine guarantee you won't get shingles, but BOTH have been approved as a method to reduce the risk of getting it. So yes, actually, people DO get the varicella vaccine to ward off shingles.

Gabi Brindle
Gabi Brindle
  • Fara Dawn

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/02/chicken-pox-vaccine-creates-shingles-epidemic.aspx

Vaccines are controversial. Every parent must reserve the right to use them, or not.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Fara Dawn

Merran, I have done research, thank you. It is extremely rare for anyone to have serious side effects. I don't want another polio outbreak or people dying of diphtheria, hepatitis or babies dying unnecessarily of whooping cough, because paranoid conspiracy theory believing people like yourself or religious nuts choose not to vaccinate their children. As I said, it's selfish and ignorant.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Fara Dawn

@Robert Tseng: Again your assumption that I for some reason only eat junk food is insulting and offensive. And no amount of healthy eating is going to protect anyone from a virus as virulent as measles. If it comes across your path, you will get sick, and then you take your chances with the virus. Of course I don't want anyone to go through what I had to. I didn't have a choice. When I was old enough and learned the truth, the clear choice was to vaccinate my children. And the 'toxins' in...

@Robert Tseng: Again your assumption that I for some reason only eat junk food is insulting and offensive. And no amount of healthy eating is going to protect anyone from a virus as virulent as measles. If it comes across your path, you will get sick, and then you take your chances with the virus. Of course I don't want anyone to go through what I had to. I didn't have a choice. When I was old enough and learned the truth, the clear choice was to vaccinate my children. And the 'toxins' in vaccines are a load of hype and again misinformation spread by anti-vaccination groups in an attempt to scare people away from vaccination. There isn't anything in a vaccine that isn't at least 10 times more prevalent in nature and still not toxic. Remember, the dose makes the poison. You have clearly been drawn in by the anti-vaccination myths, misinformation and pseudoscience. You would do better to read different material. As far as the lack of choice, you obviously have a choice. But just like everyone else who has a right to choose, and if they choose to have their children vaccinated, they have the right to have unprotected children away from their own children. Just like smoking has been banned in many public places for the greater public health, so can those who are unvaccinated be banned from certain public places (E.g. school) during high risk times, for the protection of everyone. I didn't understand being removed from school when I was a child, my mom lead me to believe it was discrimination and punishment for not doing what the government wanted us to do. Now I understand it is a protective measure, to keep those who are not protected away from the greatest source of potential exposure. You don't seem to understand how vaccines work, or you wouldn't be so quick to assume they are going to hinder your ability to fight infection. On the contrary, they boost your immune response by limited exposure to the virus, to prime your immune system to fight harder when it comes across the wild virus. That is what vaccination is about, it's not different from an athlete training for their sport of choice, but this is training your immune system for perform better during the real thing. (Unable to reply again, my post keeps disappearing so hopefully this will stick around.)

Donna Dawson
Donna Dawson

Medical professionals have discovered and researched these vaccines and weighed the benefts against the negatives, although there is a small percentage of children who have a reaction, overall these vaccines should be given, because if your child becomes ill with polio, mumps or measles with no protection it can be very serious.

Ruth Acaster
Ruth Acaster
  • Donna Dawson

You'll be aware then that the only cases of polio in the western world are caused by the polio vaccine.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Donna Dawson

That's actually untrue. Polio was around in the western world long before the vaccine was, and many hundreds of thousands of children were paralysed for life from it, a fate worse than death if you ask me, therefore it is impossible for it to have been caused by the vaccine. You, however, are probably not old enough to remember it, which is why we have public historical records of the fact, which you are free to peruse at your leisure.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Donna Dawson

Donna, I am not disagreeing with you that there are many more people who were not harmed by them...but to deny the ones who were is reckless.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Donna Dawson

Autism isn't serious? Guess we burn the few (1 in 50 boys) at the stake for pissing on the vaccine parade? It shocks the heck out of me how concerned everyone is with diseases the MIGHT cause permanent damage or death over one that has NO CHANCE of a cure at this time. Thanks for throwing OUR kids under the bus to save YOURS. I will remember that if my disabled child ever needs an organ donation. We will just take some of YOUR kids parts to fix MY kid...hey, stop griping or crying about...

Autism isn't serious? Guess we burn the few (1 in 50 boys) at the stake for pissing on the vaccine parade? It shocks the heck out of me how concerned everyone is with diseases the MIGHT cause permanent damage or death over one that has NO CHANCE of a cure at this time. Thanks for throwing OUR kids under the bus to save YOURS. I will remember that if my disabled child ever needs an organ donation. We will just take some of YOUR kids parts to fix MY kid...hey, stop griping or crying about it...YOUR kid was one of the few sacrificed to save MINE. Turn about is fair play...RIGHT? Or are you a hypocrite once YOUR childs life is on the line? You can't have it both ways.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Donna Dawson

Mistie Delorey gaia health is not a credible source of information. please provide reputable and credible sources to support this article

Derek Hordle
Derek Hordle
  • Donna Dawson

Because polio in western world has been eliminated by vaccination. But if we stop vaccinating we will be back to the polio wards of 50 years ago with plenty of young people living in iron lungs because of stupidity.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Donna Dawson

Derek...now you know how we feel about OUR children that were harmed.
Why are other kids anymore important than mine? Because mine is already disabled...it doesn't matter?
Talk about hypocritical.
You're so worried about what MIGHT happen with a disease that HAS A CHANCE of going away While you throw the children under the bus that ALREADY DO have health problems from injury that HAVE NO CHANCE of going away.
That's just plain silly.

Dawn Burcham Ingold
Dawn Burcham Ingold
  • Donna Dawson

Could you let me know what medical professionals, that you are aware of, are knowledgeable, regarding vaccines? I am a medical professional, and with all due respect, there is no training received regarding

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey

How is going in for vaccines and their potential adverse reactions in "hopes" that you "MAY gain immunity, any different from people pulling straws to see who will be sacrificed or maimed for their gods in hopes of warding off plagues thousands of years ago? all for the "BELIEF" that you, yourself will be better off.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Mistie Delorey

I wonder how the introduction of vaccines correlate with morbidity of the diseases they protect against: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151241056333588

But i guess it's no better than a 50-50 gamble, right?

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Mistie Delorey

Show us the study where adverse reaction is more severe and more common from vaccines then from the diseases they prevent. Please provide the title, dates and journal of the PubMed indexed papers. If you can not provide that data, then your entire statement or query will be better served turned back on your position and belief.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Mistie Delorey

The fact that vaccines actually work to interrupt the transmission of disease, and are far less damaging than the diseases, clearly escapes your understanding.

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey
  • Mistie Delorey

There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.” -
Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and research virologist, US FDA.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly

I love that in Canada I can choose! So go on exhausting yourselves like wing-seeking angels helping us ignorant backwards thinkers to see the truth. IS THIS A SCHOOL PROJECT MARTY? ANDREA? Or do you work for this VACCINE INITIATIVE group? At least if you were getting paid I could see some point in your blind following. Either way, good luck on the project. I hope you get graded well.

Off to make some more choices and spread the truth about this VACCINE SCAM big Pharma is playing...

I love that in Canada I can choose! So go on exhausting yourselves like wing-seeking angels helping us ignorant backwards thinkers to see the truth. IS THIS A SCHOOL PROJECT MARTY? ANDREA? Or do you work for this VACCINE INITIATIVE group? At least if you were getting paid I could see some point in your blind following. Either way, good luck on the project. I hope you get graded well.

Off to make some more choices and spread the truth about this VACCINE SCAM big Pharma is playing right now.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A GUINEA PIG TO BIG PHARMA! THEY ARE USING YOUR FOR THEIR PROFIT.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Dianna Donnelly

What "vaccine initiative group"? I just believe in evidence.

Just to let everyone know what I do: I'm doing a PhD on anti-bacterial surfaces, i.e. surfaces which kill pathogens on contact, reducing the need for antibiotics. My experiments have hit a slow patch, which is how I find enough time to waste here. Never mind though, I'm out --- the discussion on this page has descended too far into lunacy.

My only income is my scholarship, which the Australian government, in their wisdom, set at...

What "vaccine initiative group"? I just believe in evidence.

Just to let everyone know what I do: I'm doing a PhD on anti-bacterial surfaces, i.e. surfaces which kill pathogens on contact, reducing the need for antibiotics. My experiments have hit a slow patch, which is how I find enough time to waste here. Never mind though, I'm out --- the discussion on this page has descended too far into lunacy.

My only income is my scholarship, which the Australian government, in their wisdom, set at about 101% of the poverty line, plus payment for a little bit of undergrad tutoring.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

Hmmmm .... good deflection Addy!! no worries about my doses of EMR honey!!

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

Not while you've got your tinfoil hat on, no. You should be perfectly fine

/derp

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

You're nuts. If you ever wonder why people don't take you seriously, you can stop - it's because you're nuts. Most likely not worth paying any attention to whatsoever.

Lisa Brooker
Lisa Brooker

Why would you not want to take every precaution that in the longrun will be better for your child throughout their lives. Where is the logic in not protecting your child in every possible way? There's no way I would even consider to not vaccinate my children. I would rather not take the risk thank you.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Lisa Brooker

Because they control your mind with the microchips they put in the vaccinations. Obviously! (sarcasm!)

Lisa Brooker
Lisa Brooker
  • Lisa Brooker

I used my sense. I had vaccines and i have never suffered anything bad never even had the flu. Why not blame life instead of blaming vaccines if something bad has happened to your child or children or oher parents. Bad things happen in life that you can never get an explanation for. I c alot of figures on how many children were ill by something they were vaccinated against.. But could someone please show me the figures of how many unvaccinated children suffer from not having their vaccines??

Lisa Brooker
Lisa Brooker
  • Lisa Brooker

I also decided to trust the professionals who have spent alot of time in studying to do their job properly. They are there to help.. Not inject our babies wih drugs and needles just for he sake of it

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lisa Brooker

EXACTLY!!! It's all well and good to do your own research, but there are professionals out there who do what they do with far superior training. Did you know that in my first year of university, I received training in how to do research and analysis? Unfortunately, I've only noticed courses like that in tertiary education, so as you can imagine I'm a strong proponent for moving that kind of learning into high school.

We do put a lot of trust in our doctors, but regardless of anti-vaccine...

EXACTLY!!! It's all well and good to do your own research, but there are professionals out there who do what they do with far superior training. Did you know that in my first year of university, I received training in how to do research and analysis? Unfortunately, I've only noticed courses like that in tertiary education, so as you can imagine I'm a strong proponent for moving that kind of learning into high school.

We do put a lot of trust in our doctors, but regardless of anti-vaccine opinion, many of us won't do so blindly. We DO ask questions of our doctors. Just last week, I went into a doctor knowing I'd likely need a blood test, but I HATE needles (yep, even vaccines, I have a phobia of needles that causes my blood pressure to rise whenever I know one's coming and causes me to even faint sometimes - perfectly normal reaction, not one caused by what's in the needle). So I asked my doctor if there was another way, if this was really necessary. He convinced me it was, and I trusted him. And everything worked out just fine. Apart from that I fainted again.

They do the science so we don't have to. Farmers do the hunting and gathering so that WE DON'T HAVE TO. Engineers build the bridges so that WE DON'T HAVE TO. Are you going to do your research on a bridge before you decide to cross it, or do you just trust the engineers behind it's design? Why is it that the pharmaceutical industry is the only one that needs questioning?

What about the electricians and electrical engineers that installed the wiring in your house? Hope you've done your research on that so you know what you're dealing with there.

What about the foundations? Are you CERTAIN the builder got the dimensions right?

We have professionals for a reason. And we have regulators watching over them for the same reason. So what happens when regulation goes wrong?

Well, it only takes one person to notice something going wrong, and then an investigation is held. Evidence is gathered, questions are asked - and that's why Andrew Wakefield was exposed as a fraud, and Drs Paul Offit and Ian Frazer are not in jail for murder. Wakefield did bad, very bad, and our vaccine inventors didn't.

Derek Brown
Derek Brown

I view vaccinations as a human rights violation.

Scott Hansen
Scott Hansen
  • Derek Brown

Protecting people against diseases that have the ability to kill is a human rights violation?

Really?

o.O

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Derek Brown

I view stupid as a disease

Derek Brown
Derek Brown
  • Derek Brown

Jared Hyams i find it rather amusing when someone confuses imbecilic taunts with intelligence

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Derek Brown

Derek M Brown I find it amusing when someone confuses a tried-and-true and historically and scientifically proven medical procedure as a human rights violation. If you want to talk about rights violations, then what are you doing about parents who are intentionally infecting their children with things like chicken pox and measles to "build their immune systems" while simultaneously endangering them to either immediate or later-in-life serious complications from those diseases?

You want to...

Derek M Brown I find it amusing when someone confuses a tried-and-true and historically and scientifically proven medical procedure as a human rights violation. If you want to talk about rights violations, then what are you doing about parents who are intentionally infecting their children with things like chicken pox and measles to "build their immune systems" while simultaneously endangering them to either immediate or later-in-life serious complications from those diseases?

You want to talk about human rights? How about our right to live in a community that has some sense of social duty to others by getting their vaccines to prevent the spread of diseases that have, both in recent and not-as-recent history, killed hundreds of thousands to millions, such as smallpox or polio.

As far as I'm concerned, choosing not to protect yourself against these diseases is choosing to allow them a place to incubate at all - this could be construed as "harbouring the enemy". I would suggest, even, an act of terrorism against your community. But let's not go to extremes...

Oh, wait... you already have with your declaration of a "human rights violation" regarding a medical procedure that still requires adult permission to deliver.

I think Jared got it right - seems pretty intelligent to me, even if it was just a "taunt", the fact that he was on the money tells me he's not confused at all.

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