Suzy Que
Suzy Que

So here's a question....and jared I would be happy not to hear from you...you make no sense whatsoever, hopefully as you age your mind will open. (btw....qualifications? You keep assessing everyone else on their lack of...what are yours, naturepathy isn't it? At least that's what you FB says).
There is an ever increasing number of vaccines being created all the time, these are added to the schedule continuously. So when I was a baby, 1969, I had DPT and measles vaccination, (which by the way...

So here's a question....and jared I would be happy not to hear from you...you make no sense whatsoever, hopefully as you age your mind will open. (btw....qualifications? You keep assessing everyone else on their lack of...what are yours, naturepathy isn't it? At least that's what you FB says).
There is an ever increasing number of vaccines being created all the time, these are added to the schedule continuously. So when I was a baby, 1969, I had DPT and measles vaccination, (which by the way I still got measles and got it REALLY badly.)
Today the authorities recommend Hep B at birth, then rotavirus, tetanus, HIB, polio, Diphtheria, Whooping cough, Hep B, pneumoccoal: 8 diseases when a baby is 8 weeks old.
Then at 16 weeks another 8 diseases, 24 weeks another 8 diseases, then at 52 weeks another 6 diseases for a grand total of 31 doses of vaccines by 12 months of age in Australia, even more in the U.S.A.
“The immune system in young children does not work as well as the immune system in older children and adults, because it is still immature. Therefore more doses of vaccine are needed.” (Aust Gov dept of H and A).
So my question is: How many vaccines are too many? Are the people here that are comfortable with vaccination happy to give their children…or themselves 35 doses, 40 doses as more and more diseases that “must” be avoided are added to the schedule? When do alarm bells start ringing for you?

“Another reason why children get many immunisations is that new vaccines against serious infections continue to be developed. The number of injections is reduced by the use of combination vaccines, where several vaccines are combined into one shot.” (Aust Gov dept of health and aging.)

And it must be kept in mind that with each of these vaccinations the toxins that are being delivered to the baby’s body are also increasing. Toxins including: Aluminium hydroxide, hydrated (Al(OH)3), lactose, sodium chloride, aluminium hydroxide, aluminium phosphate, phenoxyethanol , potassium chloride, polysorbate 20 and 80, formaldehyde, glycine, sodium phosphate dibasic dihydrate, potassium phosphate monobasic, neomycin sulfate and polymyxin B sulfate.

“In the first months of life, a baby is protected from most infectious diseases by antibodies from her or his mother, which are transferred to the baby during pregnancy. When these antibodies wear off, the baby is at risk of serious infections and so the first immunisations are given before these antibodies have gone.”(Aust Dept of H and A).

http://www.gsk.com.au/resources.ashx/vaccineproductschilddataproinfo/362/FileName/D58F401484B3F7CD68FBC0A2D3A1D77D/Infanrix_Hexa_(Preservative_containing)_v4_0_clean_PDF.pdf
HEP B INGREDIENTS:
The active ingredient of ENGERIX-B is the surface protein of the hepatitis B virus, derived from genetically engineered yeast cells. The vaccine is not infectious, and will not give you the hepatitis B virus.
Inactive ingredients in the vaccine are: aluminium hydroxide, sodium phosphate, sodium chloride (salt), sodium acid phosphate, polysorbate 20 and water. A very small amount of thiomersal may also be present.
ENGERIX-B is made without any human blood or blood products, or any other substances of human origin.
The manufacture of this product includes exposure to bovine derived materials. No evidence exists that any case of vCJD (considered to be the human form of bovine spongiform encephalopathy) has resulted from the administration of any vaccine product.

Rotavirus vaccine – live attenuated oral: There is a potential risk for transmission to non-vaccinated contacts.

All of this info is taken from Government websites of the manufacturers of the vaccine. THIS is where I get my information from and what I have read and learnt from these websites causes me great concern.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Suzy Que

I'm not sure that you want an answer to your question. Maybe you could ask an expert in that field? (an actual expert, one who could, for example explain to you the differences between aluminum hydroxide, aluminum peroxide and the scary sounding aluminum we wouldn't want to inject into our bodies)

There would be people out there who could reassure your fears. I would hope you would have the integrity and intelligence to be able to listen to someone qualified to talk on the subject.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

I wouldn't have asked if i didn't want an answer. How many is too many to the people here? I have asked you 3 times now what your qualifications are to critisize professionals. Are you avoiding this question or what?

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

"The hepatitis B vaccine given at birth contains 250 mcg of aluminum – 20 times higher than safety levels … Babies who have followed the CDC immunization schedule are injected with nearly 5000 mcg (5 mg) of aluminum by 18 months of age."[8]
But it's all bullshit isn't Jared??
You tell me what is a safe level of Al in a human body?

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Suzy Que

There is established science.... (noting that there is no controversy within the scientific consensus) and then there are unqualified idiots making claims on the internet...
When making grand claims, like anti-vaxers do, it is not up to the person calling the bullshit to prove anything... The evidence is all on one side. It is up to the claimant to prove the new theory and undo all the known medical knowledge.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Suzy Que

the quote about aluminum 20 times higher is probably made up.. if hep B vaccine contains 250 mcg and breat milk contains 10,000 mcg .... So which one is more dangerous? Better stop those mothers breastfeeding

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Suzy Que

I read your link and now here’s a link for you, and don’t disregard it because it has Mercola attached to it who you no doubt consider a quack, he didn’t write it:

http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/Aluminum_in_Vaccines.pdf

It’s by Neil Z Miller…a member of Mensa….but a quack by your standards just the same eh Jared?
If you bother to read it, you’ll see the above post regarding Al levels in vaccines was not made up as you accuse.

And finally this:

“Aluminum is not perceived, I believe by...

I read your link and now here’s a link for you, and don’t disregard it because it has Mercola attached to it who you no doubt consider a quack, he didn’t write it:

http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/Aluminum_in_Vaccines.pdf

It’s by Neil Z Miller…a member of Mensa….but a quack by your standards just the same eh Jared?
If you bother to read it, you’ll see the above post regarding Al levels in vaccines was not made up as you accuse.

And finally this:

“Aluminum is not perceived, I believe by the public as a dangerous metal. Therefore we are in a much more comfortable wicket in terms of defending its presence in vaccines”
DR JOHN CLEMENTS. WHO VACCINE ADVISOR.
Answer me this Jarod. Am I correct to think that you believe everything put out by Gov Dept’s and pharmaceutical companies, and everyone else speaks “nonsense”?
One other question, do you have children of your own yet?

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Suzy Que

So I have to read an article by Neil Miller because he is in Mensa? really? Sharon Stone is in Mensa too, that doesnt mean i listen to her views on medicine

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Suzy Que

did you know that aluminium is the third most abundant element on earth? it doesn't matter what you do, where you go, you're going to be exposed to it, and get it in your blood stream. babies ingest it in breast milk. should we therefore stop breastfeeding?

The dose makes the poison. Drink enough, and water can kill you too. Don't disregard the overwhelming majority of scientists that have done the work that demonstrates no danger from the levels of aluminium in vaccines just because you have a bias against vaccination.

Lori Harvey
Lori Harvey

Children in the U.S. are the most vaccinated in all of the world yet they are the most sick. Why? Because of vaccinations. Deaths from childhood illnesses, even the one they did NOT come out with vaccines for all went down prior the vaccines coming out. Better food, better water & better sanitation. If vaccinated people were such a danger, then outbreaks would be bigger. As it is, the outbreaks of whooping cough & measles have been the fully vaccinated population NOT the unvaccinated. ...

Children in the U.S. are the most vaccinated in all of the world yet they are the most sick. Why? Because of vaccinations. Deaths from childhood illnesses, even the one they did NOT come out with vaccines for all went down prior the vaccines coming out. Better food, better water & better sanitation. If vaccinated people were such a danger, then outbreaks would be bigger. As it is, the outbreaks of whooping cough & measles have been the fully vaccinated population NOT the unvaccinated. Millions of people are not up to date on their boosters, yet most illnesses are kept in check. Polio has NOT disappeared, it has been relabed as aseptic meningitis. The fungal meningitis that is currently being publicized has been among the fully vaccinated population. Wow, no surprise there. Vit. D3 has been proven by a study done in Tokyo is 800% more effective at preventing the flu than the flu shot. Do your homework before you inject your kids with toxic substances.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Lori Harvey

Most of what you said has no basis in reality. I'm trying to look for something backed up by evidence here.. nope .. nothing.. Sorry..

Donna Eliassen
Donna Eliassen
  • Lori Harvey

She is actually citing research done by scientists and others in the medical community - I have read about this myself. Maybe if you did a little research yourself instead of relying on the crap drug companies tell you, you wouldn't need to rely on anyone's word of mouth... I did my own research. What's stopping you or do you prefer to live in ignorance? I believe some people find it blissful.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Lori Harvey

Name two claims in the above nonsense that is backed up by any evidence?

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Lori Harvey

"outbreaks of whooping cough and measles have been in the fully vaccinated populations NOT the unvaccinated" WRONG... The unvaccinated population is way over represented in outbreaks..
"Polio has been renamed aspetic meningitis" WRONG... I guess they renamed the polio hospitals 'don't look here nothing to see'

thats two claims that are patently false..

Donna Eliassen
Donna Eliassen
  • Lori Harvey

You are clearly one of those stubborn argumentative types who himself has no evidence to support his own beliefs and so gullible you believe anything told to you. That's okay. I used to be like that too UNTIL I did my OWN research. Stop being so childish and arguing with people - just get off your lazy behind and use Google - there is a wealth of research posted on the internet - and by some very influential people in the industry. It is not up to the rest of the world to hold your hand and wipe your nose for you.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Lori Harvey

Donna, your attitude is terrifying. Whooping cough is about three times more common in the unvaccinated. If you're parroting the "but most of the cases are in the vaccinated, therefore the vaccination increases your risk of infection" line, you need to hit to the books.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Lori Harvey

Use google.. Great advice.. Given that you have absolutely no qualifications in a medical field, what gives you the self delusion to disagree with every major medical body in the world, every medical teaching university, the head of every hospital's infectious disease department, the WHO, CDC, every countries ministry of health.. You, you cretin, you boob, you puny insignificant individual. With the mighty google take out all of them, tell them they are all wrong.. The stupid is monumental...

Caroline Jessica Shipley

The antivax numbers here are not very representative. Meryl Dorey has sent her flying monkeys in to jack up the numbers on the refusal side.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

So Caroline, you think it would be more accurate if the people who don't vaccinate were not represented? doesn't make a lot of sense Caroline. unlike the people persecuting those who question vaccines, we don't need falsify statistics to prove a point. it's just a fact that the numbers are growing due to genuine concerns for the safety of our children.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

it would be a benefit to have those who don't vaccinate left out yes. Why? Because 99% have absolutely no qualification or education to grant them the platform they seem to want to spout their nonsense... Ignorance and Evidence do not face off in a debate..

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

"we don't need falsify statistics to prove a point"

...

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

It's a survey jared you fool! If this was purely to see how many people would vaccinate a young child today WITHOUT the other options you could have you pro vaccine rant in private without others offering a different veiw but is not what surveys/polls are about. Clearly you do not know how surveys/polls work

Petrice Foxworthy
Petrice Foxworthy
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

Many people who choose not to vaccinate have done much more research on the subject of vaccinations than the people who vaccinate. I am a doctor who has chosen not to vaccinate. I have read the studies on both sides, looked at the evidence. There are many other doctors who are coming to the same conclusion. Doctors are not given all the info on vaccines while in medical school. We are taught that vaccines are safe and effective, end of story. But that is not the end of story. Why are there...

Many people who choose not to vaccinate have done much more research on the subject of vaccinations than the people who vaccinate. I am a doctor who has chosen not to vaccinate. I have read the studies on both sides, looked at the evidence. There are many other doctors who are coming to the same conclusion. Doctors are not given all the info on vaccines while in medical school. We are taught that vaccines are safe and effective, end of story. But that is not the end of story. Why are there no studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children? Why have the last several outbreaks of whooping cough and measles occurred in 95% vaccinated populations? If vaccines were so damn effective, the outbreaks would not occur. So Jared, Caroline, Fara- people who choose not to vaccinate are not ignorant and uneducated.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

Petrice, if you are actually a doctor, you are a disgrace to the medical profession. Please do not subject anyone to your unscientific ways of thinking.. In the arguments you put forward, you betray the lie you said earlier. "looked at the evidence" .. Clearly not. If you had looked at the evidence, you wouldn't be making such basic mistakes in logic, and fact.
Why are there no studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated? How do you want me to answer? With the epidemiological studies that...

Petrice, if you are actually a doctor, you are a disgrace to the medical profession. Please do not subject anyone to your unscientific ways of thinking.. In the arguments you put forward, you betray the lie you said earlier. "looked at the evidence" .. Clearly not. If you had looked at the evidence, you wouldn't be making such basic mistakes in logic, and fact.
Why are there no studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated? How do you want me to answer? With the epidemiological studies that do compare the two populations, or with the ethical reasons why a clinical trial could not be carried out? Did you seriously attend a medical school?

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

correction.. I just googled your name Petrice.. Nice try... You are a Chiropractor.. not a doctor... You implied quite dishonestly that you were a doctor, and insinuated medical school. That is the way of the anti-vaccinator.. always looking for that dishonest step up in the debate.... Seriously.. This page is bringing the lols... You're not a Doctor Petrice.... but nice try.... lol

Petrice Foxworthy
Petrice Foxworthy
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

And do you know where I have gotten my info from- Medical doctors, medical journals, medical books.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Caroline Jessica Shipley

Still Petrice, you tried to pass yourself off as a real 'doctor' .. You are not. Your ability to be honest is sorely limited. Granted, those observations don't invalidate your claims.... I've read quite a lor that say Chiropractic is bullshit. from - Medical doctors, medical journals, medical books..

Sharon Kocpek
Sharon Kocpek

every one get your flu shot please.

Dave Hawkes
Dave Hawkes
  • Sharon Kocpek

Influenza is a virus. It doesn't care whether you eat organic or not. This year has not been a particularly bad flu year which is great. However these viruses tend to go in waves. If you have small children, or come in contact with those that do, or the elderly or the chronically ill then getting the flu vaccine is a way in which you can contribute to these people having better health outcomes.

Scott Hansen
Scott Hansen
  • Sharon Kocpek

Seriously, your children are too important to simply rely on exercise and diet alone. Of course the flu vaccine is necessary.

Do we think turning to "legal drugs" is helping? In the case of vaccination - yes. Any person that would rather listen to drooling conspiracy theorists rather than actual health professionals seriously need to take stock of their priorities and wake up to reality.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Sharon Kocpek

to answer your questions in their order. People seems to be getting less sick. I have no friends with Polio, measles, typhoid... Do I think turning to legal drugs is really helping, yes. For sure. Can even back that up with the statistics too..

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Jared, so typhoid, measles and polio may not be the issue they once were, but we have replaced those diseases with other ones that are just as deadly, just as dangerous and in my view diseases to be very concerned about. MS is one of them, so is cancer, so is diabetes, so is Alzheimers. Parkinsons is another that is marked as increasing over the coming decades. Then there is autism, ADD, learning disorders………the list goes on. You cannot say, and neither can anyone else, that the reasons for...

Jared, so typhoid, measles and polio may not be the issue they once were, but we have replaced those diseases with other ones that are just as deadly, just as dangerous and in my view diseases to be very concerned about. MS is one of them, so is cancer, so is diabetes, so is Alzheimers. Parkinsons is another that is marked as increasing over the coming decades. Then there is autism, ADD, learning disorders………the list goes on. You cannot say, and neither can anyone else, that the reasons for the rises in these diseases has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination, environment, fluorides, food additives, chemicals on our food and in our food, vitamin deficiencies which may or may not be caused by any of the above mentioned possible causes. So until ALL of these things are proven to be 100% safe I will choose to avoid as much of these things that I feel the need to.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Jared Hyams Cont'
“The disease, (MS) is probably caused by an immune disorder during which it attacks human cells. MS destroys the myelin that sheathes nerve fibres, causing an interruption in communication between nerve cells of the central nervous system and leading to the emergence of MS.”
http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm/fuseaction/show/pageid/2325
The information below was dated 2007, if what they have found is in fact accurate the numbers would be even higher by now.
Nearly 1 out of...

Jared Hyams Cont'
“The disease, (MS) is probably caused by an immune disorder during which it attacks human cells. MS destroys the myelin that sheathes nerve fibres, causing an interruption in communication between nerve cells of the central nervous system and leading to the emergence of MS.”
http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm/fuseaction/show/pageid/2325
The information below was dated 2007, if what they have found is in fact accurate the numbers would be even higher by now.
Nearly 1 out of every 1000 people in the US - around 266,000 people - suffers from multiple sclerosis (MS), Hirtz's team calculates. This figure is 50% higher than that estimated by a similarly large literature review published in 1982 (Neurology, vol 32, p 1207).
Rates of Motor neuron/Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) and Parkinson's disease also appear stable. However, a recent study projected that the number of people living with Parkinson's disease will double from about 4.3 million to 9 million people worldwide over the next 25 years (Neurology, vol 68, p 384).
Nearly six out of every 1000 children have some form of autism. (2007)
About two out of every 1000 youngsters have Tourette's syndrome, which is characterised by uncontrolled movements and speech. Hirtz says the collection of reliable data on these disorders is relatively recent.
Hirtz's analysis also estimates that 67 out of every 1000 people aged 65 or older in the US suffers from Alzheimer's disease. She says that this represents a "substantial increase" in the prevalence of this disease and attributes this partly to the growing proportion of very elderly people in the US
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11052-marked-rise-in-ms-in-the-us-debated-by-scientists.html

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Jared Hyams And then there’s cancer……

According to French researchers, the incidence of cancer is expected to increase by more than 75% by the year 2030 in developed countries, and over 90% in developing nations. The study is published Online First in the Lancet Oncology.
• Even though very high HDI (human development index)countries only contain 15% of the world's population, they accounted for 40% of cancer cases in the world in 2008.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/246061.php

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Jared Hyams And then there’s cancer……

According to French researchers, the incidence of cancer is expected to increase by more than 75% by the year 2030 in developed countries, and over 90% in developing nations. The study is published Online First in the Lancet Oncology.
• Even though very high HDI (human development index)countries only contain 15% of the world's population, they accounted for 40% of cancer cases in the world in 2008.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/246061.php

Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
Much of the success attributed to vaccination programs may actually have been due to improvement in public health related to water quality and sanitation, less crowded living conditions, better nutrition, and higher standards of living. Typically the incidence of a disease was clearly declining before the vaccine for that disease was introduced. In England the incidence of polio had decreased by 82 % before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1956.
By Dr. James Howenstine, MD

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james.htm

And just to finish off here is a link to some notable quotes by medical Drs and scientists over the decades…….but of course they must all be conspiracy theorists because just like those amongst us here, they dare to question the norm.
http://www.itwillpass.com/quotes_doctors_quotes.shtml

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Love Them, Protect Them, have a whooping cough booster to save them . Very pressumptuous to assume if i was sick that i would thoughtlessly cough over strangers, how about thinking a bit more before you put your thoughts into print.

Lori Harvey
Lori Harvey
  • Sharon Kocpek

This years flu shot (according to the insert that comes with the flu shot) says each shot contains 25 mcg of mercury in it. Not Thimerosal, MERCURY!! A neurotoxin. According to Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, he did a 10 year study on the flu shot & its relation to Alzheimer's. If you get the flu shot 5 years in a row, you are 10 times more likely to get Alzheimer's. According to a study done in Tokyo, Vitamin D3 has been proven to be 800% more effective in preventing the flu than the Flu shot. I...

This years flu shot (according to the insert that comes with the flu shot) says each shot contains 25 mcg of mercury in it. Not Thimerosal, MERCURY!! A neurotoxin. According to Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, he did a 10 year study on the flu shot & its relation to Alzheimer's. If you get the flu shot 5 years in a row, you are 10 times more likely to get Alzheimer's. According to a study done in Tokyo, Vitamin D3 has been proven to be 800% more effective in preventing the flu than the Flu shot. I never get the flu shot & I don't get the flu. Shocker.......

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Sharon Kocpek

Lori, the mercury is present as part of thimerosal. It says the preservative is thimerosal. Stating the weight of mercury in this instance is like stating the weight of sodium in food --- sodium is present as a component of salt, not as elemental sodium, the highly reactive metal.

Re: Hugh Fudenberg: I, like the author of this blog (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/08/27/bill-maher-antivaccination-wingnut/) couldn't find anything about the flu vaccine amongst Fudenberg's alzheimer's...

Lori, the mercury is present as part of thimerosal. It says the preservative is thimerosal. Stating the weight of mercury in this instance is like stating the weight of sodium in food --- sodium is present as a component of salt, not as elemental sodium, the highly reactive metal.

Re: Hugh Fudenberg: I, like the author of this blog (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/08/27/bill-maher-antivaccination-wingnut/) couldn't find anything about the flu vaccine amongst Fudenberg's alzheimer's research (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Fudenberg%20H%20alzhemier) can you please post a link to the relevant study or studies?

The authors of the Tokyo vit D/flu study that you mention are far more cautious in interpreting their results, due to the small sample sizes available: "our study suggests that vitamin D3 supplementation during the winter season may reduce the incidence of
influenza A."

Terry Kendall Schnitzler

I am not yet decided, I would choose one of the last 3 options. We do not get all of the facts, as much information is no longer shared with the public, media being in cooperation with Pharma and profits, plus there is an inundation of non-confirmed information on the internet, some true and much false. How can we make an educated decision? My beliefs are based on the current performance and abuse of Pharma and the medical industry as a whole as well as the history of epidemics.

Everyone...

I am not yet decided, I would choose one of the last 3 options. We do not get all of the facts, as much information is no longer shared with the public, media being in cooperation with Pharma and profits, plus there is an inundation of non-confirmed information on the internet, some true and much false. How can we make an educated decision? My beliefs are based on the current performance and abuse of Pharma and the medical industry as a whole as well as the history of epidemics.

Everyone knows that food, behavior and lifestyle have the greatest influence on our overall health and yet pills, pills and more pills are pushed every doctor visit with little discussion of what one is doing to cause their own suffering, profit being the main goal.

I was pregnant when the whole swine flu terrorism happened, OMG it's so bad, everyone in a doctors office is pushed to get it, then oh, actually it was not even as bad as the regular flu, sorry to have told you your baby could DIE if you don't do it. Sorry for preying on a first time new mother's natural fears.

I had chosen to have my daughter on a delayed schedule, she was only 12 percent weight of national average and all vaccines are the same, there are no individualized doses. We were on schedule, until the last visit, where the nurse took it upon herself to "catch her up" without consulting me. She was given two rounds, two visits worth of vaccines at once. When I complained, I was told that it was an acceptable amount of vaccines to give at one time. Thank goodness my daughter is fine.

I mostly blame myself for not being more knowledgeable and not micro-managing the situation. Didn't think it was necessary because who in their right mind would opt to give additional vaccines without consulting the parent first?

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Terry, I don't know where you're getting your information from *now*, but it's wrong. The H1N1 flu was most dangerous to pregnant women-- generally, flu is most dangerous to the very young and immunocompromised and the elderly, but a full third of H1N1s victims were pregnant women. Hundreds of pregnant women died from it in this country. The advice you were given to get the vaccine was absolutely correct.

Body weight does not matter for vaccines. The vaccine dose for an infant and an...

Terry, I don't know where you're getting your information from *now*, but it's wrong. The H1N1 flu was most dangerous to pregnant women-- generally, flu is most dangerous to the very young and immunocompromised and the elderly, but a full third of H1N1s victims were pregnant women. Hundreds of pregnant women died from it in this country. The advice you were given to get the vaccine was absolutely correct.

Body weight does not matter for vaccines. The vaccine dose for an infant and an adult is the same. Body weight does not affect the strength of the immune response, and the amount of antigens in vaccines is already so tiny that it simply *cannot* be made smaller.

And the CDC schedule is based on everyone's best knowledge. The only thing you do by delaying vaccination is prolong the period in which your daughter is vulnerable to disease. And the more unvaccinated kids there are out there, the more possible vectors for disease there are. Most places have already dipped well below the level of herd immunity. And here is where your daughter being underweight IS dangerous, because if she actually catches one of the diseases, she may not have the resources to fight off a full-blown infection without danger.

Doctors and nurses are not evil. They don't like seeing kids die, or end up in hospital. It's actually pretty important that you listen to the people who have a career in pediatric practice, not scaremongering on the internet, much of which IS inaccurate.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

We have a good doctor, thanks for that clarification. I didn't say my daughter is underweight. She is absolutely perfect. Considering about %50 of children are obese in the US, only puts my kid at a lower percentile while being perfectly healthy. Having been breastfed for the first two years and never having to rely on formula or cows milk as the #1 nutritional source; gives her, quite noticeably, a greater resistance to illness and much shorter term of illness as her peers.

Other...

We have a good doctor, thanks for that clarification. I didn't say my daughter is underweight. She is absolutely perfect. Considering about %50 of children are obese in the US, only puts my kid at a lower percentile while being perfectly healthy. Having been breastfed for the first two years and never having to rely on formula or cows milk as the #1 nutritional source; gives her, quite noticeably, a greater resistance to illness and much shorter term of illness as her peers.

Other ingredients in the vaccines may be controversial as to whether they are good for us at any amount.

100 women in the US were hospitalized from the second strain of H1N1. About 1/3 died.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Terry Kendall Schnitzler I'm in the UK. Having said that, I exaggerated -- unintentionally; I was confusing UK with European statistics.

For a little bit of perspective, the 1918 Spanish flu which killed more people than WWI, had a mortality rate in childbearing women who were hospitalised with it of between 30-70%; and this was in the days before sterile wards and antibiotics, where you would have expected a much higher death rate than now. The overall mortality rate across the...

Terry Kendall Schnitzler I'm in the UK. Having said that, I exaggerated -- unintentionally; I was confusing UK with European statistics.

For a little bit of perspective, the 1918 Spanish flu which killed more people than WWI, had a mortality rate in childbearing women who were hospitalised with it of between 30-70%; and this was in the days before sterile wards and antibiotics, where you would have expected a much higher death rate than now. The overall mortality rate across the population of the 1918 flu was 2.5%; the mortality rate profile for H1N1 was frighteningly similar in confirmed cases. As well, by 2009 people knew it put pregnant women at 5x the risk of either stillbirth or their babies dying between 24 weeks gestation-1 week after birth. That's not trivial. Yes, your baby COULD die if you got it. When people told you to get the vaccine, they were not "preying on your fears", they were going by the best information to keep you and your baby safe, not knowing what speed the flu was spreading at, or if you were going to be exposed. The "not as bad as regular flu"? That part wasn't so much real.

I understand now that you weren't saying that your daughter was underweight. Sorry about the misinterpretation. Do you get what I'm saying, though, about the fact that vaccines are not computed on body weight for a reason? Infants mount an immune response in pretty much the same way that adults do, and that's all the vaccine is there to do, to provoke an immune response. Vaccines are not drugs, that interact with metabolism.

And while breastmilk absolutely helps protect your infant, it can only confer immunity against things that you yourself have an immune response to. If you had not had either the flu or vaccine, then both you and your infant would be vulnerable. With the vaccine, your infant shares the protection.

As for the "other ingredients" that anti-vaccinationists love to scare people with:
1. Some are genuinely not even in the shots. ("antifreeze", for example, is one thing frequently claimed.)
2. Many are already in your body, because they are actually produced by your own metabolism already -- for example, glycine and formaldehyde. You and your daughter both have and amount of these in you, produced by your own cells, at least four orders of magnitude larger than what you get in a vaccine jab.
3. Many things are already in you because they are ubiquitous in food, liquid, and the environment -- for example, aluminum. Aluminum is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust, none of us is free of it. Besides which, and importantly: in vaccines, the aluminum is given in the form of aluminum salts, a compound which has as much in common with elemental aluminum as table salt has with chlorine gas. It provokes a localised pain and swelling -- on purpose, because otherwise vaccines have so little antigen in them that the body clears them away without ever bothering to gear up an immune response -- but the aluminum salts are not integrated into cells, and are cleared by the body within a few days.
4. And finally, many of the scary-scary substances are harmful, but only in amounts MUCH larger than you're getting. That's not guesswork. Dose-response curves are an important basic concept in medicine, they are part of all the calculations of what goes into shots.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert

So many people are so quick to say "do your research", but I'll bet not one of you knows the difference between qualitative and quantitative research, at least not without Googling it first... case in point.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Martin Bouckaert

Nothing wrong with qualitative research... as long as it's accurate.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

and applied to the correct field of study. determining if an investigation into side effects is necessary is for qualitative research, hence VAERS. the investigation itself is for quantitative research.

Linda Ross
Linda Ross
  • Martin Bouckaert

Are you a shiller Martin? Someone paid to spread misinformation?

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves

We know that everything contained in a Vaccine is nothing but a foreign body within the blood stream and that would naturally cause an immune response a cocktail of poison, Thiomersal (Mercury) in vaccines like many other vaccine ingredients do cause neurological disorders and physical disabilities. Get the vaccine and you carry the disease, the virus will grow within the body, when Thiomersal etc destroy the immune system. Multiple vaccines and the weight difference in a 4lb baby compared...

We know that everything contained in a Vaccine is nothing but a foreign body within the blood stream and that would naturally cause an immune response a cocktail of poison, Thiomersal (Mercury) in vaccines like many other vaccine ingredients do cause neurological disorders and physical disabilities. Get the vaccine and you carry the disease, the virus will grow within the body, when Thiomersal etc destroy the immune system. Multiple vaccines and the weight difference in a 4lb baby compared to a 150lb man does show how corrupt the vaccine industry is regardless of any health concerns. The truth will always be right and you can cover it up but it will always be there. Vaccines do contain nanoparticles and that in it self will cause autoimmune disorders and autoimmune disease. Anything said about vaccines by the corrupt health service the truth is known to be the opposite and one day all them involved in crimes of vaccine poisoning will be held responsible and pay for the crimes of genocide and causing harm. Vaccine Scientists of today are the big criminals and all who defend them, you claim you have done your research and that prevents your defense in a court. Mercury is harmful and deadly.The cause of Autism is not fully understood because of the corruption existing in that vaccinated children do suffer the condition shortly after the shots and who knows the true effects of aluminum and Mercury in multiple vaccines. to single out Autism and mercury is simply a distraction from the truth that vaccines to harm and kill. A prolonged antibody responses shows that there is are foreign bodies present and that does not mean protection from vaccines just the opposite is happening. Lies,lies and more lies is the political pharmaceutical response on vaccines, depopulation is the aim. There is not one safe vaccine, no vaccine is necessary and they are not effective in any way but to harm. Propaganda and vaccines are killing more and more and harming too.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

You just ignore everything that resembles logic, don't you? It's really sad how much you think you know about vaccines, and yet actually know absolutely nothing. The weight of a person has nothing to do with the capabilities of their immune system. Vaccines save lives. You can deny it all you like, but there is no grand conspiracy. There is no vaccine crime except that committed by people who neglect to provide the available protection from diseases to their children. You are terribly...

You just ignore everything that resembles logic, don't you? It's really sad how much you think you know about vaccines, and yet actually know absolutely nothing. The weight of a person has nothing to do with the capabilities of their immune system. Vaccines save lives. You can deny it all you like, but there is no grand conspiracy. There is no vaccine crime except that committed by people who neglect to provide the available protection from diseases to their children. You are terribly deluded to believe the way you do, and your children will suffer for it. I pity them - and hope the consequences of your decisions teach you something one day.

Stephanie Marie
Stephanie Marie
  • Alan James Greaves

Children will suffer from not getting vaccines? First off being in a natural state is not suffering. My sons's had all their vaccines they were SICK with infections (ears, sinus, throat, respirator and stomach) constantly Constantly my second son lost all his language, lost eye contact and became autistic. My oldest has ADHD. I have never vaccinated my daughter and she's been sick with a fever 4xs in her entire life. The boys were sick with fever over 4xs in the first 6 months of life.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Alan James Greaves

Stephanie, all this is coincidental and anecdotal. Vaccines did not cause these things to happen to your children. You have two boys, one with autism, one with ADHD and a daughter, but you don't tell us what her disability is, nor do you say she doesn't have one. You are making wildly ridiculous claims and trying to prove something that large epidemiological scientific studies have disproved multiple times, with your three children. Your personal experience isn't enough to counter decades of...

Stephanie, all this is coincidental and anecdotal. Vaccines did not cause these things to happen to your children. You have two boys, one with autism, one with ADHD and a daughter, but you don't tell us what her disability is, nor do you say she doesn't have one. You are making wildly ridiculous claims and trying to prove something that large epidemiological scientific studies have disproved multiple times, with your three children. Your personal experience isn't enough to counter decades of large population studies that tell us otherwise. You are not a scientist, medical professional, and clearly have no understanding of how the immune system and vaccinations work if you can come here and make these claims that have been refuted by science multiple times.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz

Lora?

RESEARCH

Hidden CDC Data Confirms Vaccine-Autism Link.

tinyurl.com/4akfmd

A newly published study in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences,[1] the official journal of the Worl d Federation of Neurology,[2] links mercury from the Thimerosal in vaccines with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

This study represents six years worth of effort by independent researchers to gain access to hidden US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data in the Vaccine Safety...

Lora?

RESEARCH

Hidden CDC Data Confirms Vaccine-Autism Link.

tinyurl.com/4akfmd

A newly published study in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences,[1] the official journal of the Worl d Federation of Neurology,[2] links mercury from the Thimerosal in vaccines with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

This study represents six years worth of effort by independent researchers to gain access to hidden US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data in the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). In 2003, the Government Reform Committee of the US House of Representatives asserted, “(a)ccess by independent researchers to the Vaccine Safety Datalink database is needed for independent replication and validation of CDC studies regarding exposure of infants to mercury-containing vaccines and autism."

Nonetheless, this new analysis of some of the data in the carefully guarded VSD database, documenting the mercury poisoning of a generation of American children, would never have been possible without the intervention of Congressional leaders, parent autism advocacy groups, and legal experts. Ironically, only a few independent researchers have gained even this limited level of restricted access to the VSD database, despite the fact that the VSD Project is funded by hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.

The new study, led by Dr. Heather Young, Ph.D., a professor of epidemiology at the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services, examined the CDC-supplied medical vaccination records from the VSD of 278,624 children, born from 1990 through 1996.

This study calculated the average mercury exposure children incurred from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines, by year of birth, during their first year of life. After calculating average mercury exposure by year of birth, the study then estimated the prevalence rates of various medical diagnoses for children born in each of the years examined.

The prevalence rate of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders correlated with the average mercury exposure children received: increasing/decreasing levels of mercury exposure from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines resulted in corresponding trends in prevalence rates of these diagnoses. By contrast, medical outcomes presumed to be unrelated to mercury exposure did not correlate with the average levels of mercury exposure from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines.

Depending upon the specific neurodevelopmental disorder examined (autism, autism spectrum disorder, tics, emotional disturbance, attention deficit disorder-hyperactivity disorder, and developmental/learning disorder), the observed overall risk of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders was significantly higher (about 2- to 6- fold) following an additional 100 micrograms of mercury exposure. For autism alone, the overall risk was about 2.5-fold higher following an additional 100 micrograms of mercury exposure.

These results demonstrate that the suspicions of those serving on the Government Reform Committee were correct: “…(t)o date, studies conducted or funded by the CDC that purportedly dispute any correlation between autism and vaccine injury have been of poor design, under-powered, and fatally flawed. The CDC’s rush to support and promote such research is reflective of a philosophical conflict in looking fairly at emerging theories and clinical data related to adverse reactions from vaccinations."

To financially support further research conducted by independent investigators in the VSD, please use the PayPal link on CoMeD’s website, http://www.mercury-freedrugs.org, for your tax-deductible contributions. CoMeD, Inc. is a not-for-profit 501(c)(3) corporation actively engaged in legal, educational and scientific efforts to stop all use of mercury in medicine, and to ban the use of all mercury-containing medicines.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Mindy Utz

I've now spelled it out for you. THE CDC ADMISSION. Get your head out of the sand and start paying attention to EVERYTHING...not just the parts you feel are important to push your agenda.

Maria Ortasic
Maria Ortasic
  • Mindy Utz

Mindy...u still argueing with those crackheads about how they THINK vaccines don't cause autism? Smh apprently they don't have children...

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert

Apparently, Erwin Alber is commenting here, but I can't see it... it's a shame, really, I was looking forward to having a laugh. I will come back later and see if it has updated.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Martin Bouckaert

true.. I see that name pop up too... Can't see any posts.. Just as well.. There is enough crap here without his nonsense too.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Martin Bouckaert

I haven't banned him on this action. I probably banned him on another action and he's stayed banned. I really don't know how these comments work.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

The only thing toxic in here is your psychotic projection, "Pauline Zender". Nearly everyone else is playing quite nicely, for the most part. You're just expatiating disingenuous diatribe like a regular belligerent undesirable anti-vax nutcase.

Scott Hansen
Scott Hansen

Thanks to Meryl Dorey and her vile flying monkeys, the numbers are now jacked. Cheers anti vaxers for being the pox on society that you are.

Scott Hansen
Scott Hansen
  • Scott Hansen

Erwin, you are a slobbering, anti Semitic, homophobic nut job. Why would anybody take anything you say seriously?

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Scott Hansen

Wow, zen, that was so well articulated... I'm always impressed by this stack of new words antivax nutjobs invent because their own vocabulary suffers so much to actually just use a real one.

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Scott Hansen

drzen007... you are clearly , not a doctor, not zen, and definitely not James Bond..
woo -- is 'alt med'
anti vaxers love woo..
you are anti vax
drzen007 = woo

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