Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

A small percentage of children have a reaction? So that's okay? Problem is one of those small percentages was my son. A vaccine injured child is something you know absolutely nothing about! Before you start putting your faith in our "wonderful medical professionals" I suggest you do some of your own research!!

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Yes, a small percentage. Giving your children vaccinations is like this (bear with this thought experiment):

Say every child in the world must spend one minute on the train tracks at some point. By default, they are on the line where the train comes through once an hour. Giving them vaccinations is like moving them to the line where the train comes through once a day.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

I'm just curious, what kind of reaction did your child have, and how do you know it was the vaccine?

Would you have felt better about it if your child had had a reaction like permanent deafness or brain damage from measles? Because that happened too, before vaccines made these diseases uncommon.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

When you lose a game, it's hard to accept that the game you chose was the one with the better odds.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Andrea Leong: opinion

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Lynne Batik : opinion

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

No; historical fact.

Also, you didn't answer my questions.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

opinion..... boy o boy ... you LOVE to give your useless and uneducated opinion eh?

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

....projection, much?

You haven't answered my questions.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

because there is no point in answering them. You are full of nonsense..... and I get to choose what I do with my body and my child's. So no sense in wasting my time with a sheep like you.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

I see you throwing the word "opinion" around a lot without actually seeming to understand its meaning, or the fact that one could just as easily point out that nothing you have to offer is anything but opinion either. Fortunately, evidence supports the educated opinion, but there is none to support your uneducated one.

Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

If anyone can tell me how aluminum, mercury, and formaldehyde injected into our bodies is healthy, I'm all ears.

Don Carter
Don Carter
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

And just where do you get the facts that mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde are being injected into our bodies when we get medically recommended vaccines??? I know of no source of factual information that would support your presuppositions. Thus, I think that you should be more responsible about what you say about accepted vaccines which have wide approval in all medical communities.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Don Carter: So you don't believe Dr. Mercola? Too "doctor-y" for ya Don? Did you know that many many health care workers are refusing the stupid flu vax??

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

I heave read that a lot of healthcare workers are refusing the stupid (60% effective with minor side effects) flu vax. It baffles me.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Mercola is a crank who is not capable of reporting real science correctly.

Yes, there are traces of formaldehyde in vaccines. Formaldehyde is also manufactured in your own body's cells; it is a metabolic by-product of amino acid synthesis, and there is probably about 4000x the amount in your body naturally as what you get in a vaccine. Bet Mercola never told you that.

Yes, there are aluminum *salts* in vaccines. Aluminum salts resemble elemental aluminum as much as table salt resembles...

Mercola is a crank who is not capable of reporting real science correctly.

Yes, there are traces of formaldehyde in vaccines. Formaldehyde is also manufactured in your own body's cells; it is a metabolic by-product of amino acid synthesis, and there is probably about 4000x the amount in your body naturally as what you get in a vaccine. Bet Mercola never told you that.

Yes, there are aluminum *salts* in vaccines. Aluminum salts resemble elemental aluminum as much as table salt resembles chlorine gas and that highly flammable metal, sodium. This is basic chemistry: that compounding often drastically changes the chemical properties of constituent elements. Aluminum salts have never been linked to any harm. The amount of elemental mercury present is several orders of magnitude less than an infant gets in breast milk. Bet Mercola never told you that.

And yes, a single childhood vaccine, the flu jab from multi-dose vials, still has mercury in the form of thimerosal. This is methyl mercury, not ethyl mercury, and it is cleared from the body in 4-6 days. The total amount of mercury is once again less than exposure through food.

Mercola never tells people about things like the dose-response curve. He never tells people the fact that these substances are always present in the body through that dangerous activity known as "living", and the quantities mean that we take no harm from them. This is the danger of going to quacks and cranks for your information, and then shouting down or handwaving away anyone who tries to tell you something different -- you end up ignorant but convinced that you are not, an extremely bad combination.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

So I guess that's why even the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, Michael T. Osterholm, is questioning the effectiveness of the vaccine.

"We have overpromoted and overhyped this vaccine, it does not protect as promoted. It's all a sales job: it's all public relations" said Osterholm."

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

You mean the bit that was cherrypicked/misquoted from here?
www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/files/80/ccivi%20report.pdf

Let's include a few bits that your quote-mined bit leaves out:

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"When we started, we had no idea where this initiative would
take us. It was like peeling back the proverbial onion;
the more extensively we examined the “cradle to grave”
aspects of our current seasonal and pandemic influenza
vaccines, the more questions—and lack of answers—
...

You mean the bit that was cherrypicked/misquoted from here?
www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/files/80/ccivi%20report.pdf

Let's include a few bits that your quote-mined bit leaves out:

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"When we started, we had no idea where this initiative would
take us. It was like peeling back the proverbial onion;
the more extensively we examined the “cradle to grave”
aspects of our current seasonal and pandemic influenza
vaccines, the more questions—and lack of answers—
we identified. In short, we found that current influenza
vaccine protection is substantially lower than for most
routinely recommended vaccines and is suboptimal. It
is clear, however, that during some influenza seasons
vaccination offers substantially more protection for most
of the population than being unvaccinated. For this
reason, we believe current influenza vaccines will continue
to have a role in reducing influenza morbidity until more
effective interventions are available. But we can no longer
accept the status quo regarding vaccine research and
development."

"In our review, vaccine effectiveness was variable for
seasonal influenza; 6 (35%) of 17 analyses in nine
studies showed significant protection against medically
attended influenza in outpatient and inpatient settings.
On the basis of our review, we conclude that the
currently licensed influenza vaccines can provide
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moderate protection against virologically confirmed
influenza, but such protection is greatly reduced or
absent in some seasons. Furthermore, even though
TIV provided some protection for healthy adults 18
to 65 years of age, there is a paucity of evidence
for protection in adults 65 years of age and older.
Evidence is also limited to determine the efficacy and
effectiveness of TIV in children age 2 to 17 years. LAIVs
have consistently shown highest efficacy in young
children (from 6 months to 7 years old), while evidence
of protection is not available for individuals from 8 to
59 years of age.
We believe that the results and implications of this
study are best summarized in the last paragraph of our
Lancet Infectious Diseases paper:
“Seasonal influenza is an important public health
and medical challenge. Pandemic influenza
would cause a substantial burden of disease
and seriously threaten the global economy.
Based on a track record of substantial safety and
moderate efficacy in many seasons, we believe
the current influenza vaccines will continue to
have a role in reduction of influenza morbidity
until more effective interventions are available.
However, evidence for consistent high-level
protection is elusive for the present generation
of vaccines, especially in individuals at risk of
medical complications or those aged 65 years
or older. The ongoing public health burden
caused by seasonal influenza and the potential
global effect of a severe pandemic suggests an
urgent need for a new generation of more highly
effective and cross-protective vaccines that can
be manufactured rapidly.16,17 New vaccines based
on novel antigens that differ from the presently
licensed vaccines are in development. Active
partnerships between industry and government
are needed to accelerate research, reduce
regulatory barriers to licensure, and support
financial models that favor the purchase of
vaccines that provide improved protection. Active
pursuit of this goal now will save lives every year
and when the next influenza pandemic occurs. In
the meantime, we should maintain public support
for present vaccines that are the best intervention
available for seasonal influenza.”1."
---------------------------------------------

Here's the real report and the real answer -- the flu vaccine is terribly suboptimal and better ones need to be developed; but the ones we have are certainly better than nothing and still an important intervention, and need to be used until the better vaccines are available.

But I guess that doesn't fit Mercola's anti-medicine story so well.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Money money money money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

So all and every bit of evidence which contradicts you will be handwaved away under a paranoid conspiracy-theory-driven belief that all the doctors and researchers who are involved are more concerned with unproveable payoffs from Big Pharma, and not about the point of their career, which is protecting public health.

You, ma'am, have made a deliberate choice to embrace ignorance. Shame on you.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Dianna Donnelly I would also love to know why you are not similarly condemning Mercola, who makes his living shilling untested and unproven remedies to the people who he is trying to convince to shun mainstream medicine. Why is his profit motive not suspect to you? Why are you not suspicious of the stuff he shills? Why the selective attention?

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Kathleen Colfer Seravalli

Speaking of money money money... have you seen Mercola's house? My doctor's driving around in a beat up 280B Datsun but Mercola's really living it up. http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly

Regardless of all of these.... opinions.... I'm still allowed to choose for myself and my children. And I choose not to vaccinate. All your bs here is just bs and opinion. So good night. And THANK GODDESS for CHOICE!

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

Whenever an antivaxer goes off their rocker from now on, it's to be referred to as a "Zender Bender".

This is not negotiable :p

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

Regardless of all of these.... opinions.... I'm still allowed to choose for myself and my children. And I choose not to vaccinate. All your bs here is just bs and opinion. So good night. And THANK GODDESS for CHOICE!

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Dianna Donnelly

No, facts.

You have opinions that have nothing to do with vaccine facts.

You're right, if you want to endanger your children to potentially life threatening diseases, it is indeed your choice.

I don't know who this goddess is, though... were you trying to say goodness? If you actually meant "goddess", then that explains a lot about your science denial.

Good luck with that.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Dianna Donnelly

BS and opinion? Or science and fact? I do believe in choice though, it is a real pity if it is based on unfounded pseudo science and cherry picked data.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Dianna Donnelly

Dianna, that's not an argument. I support vaccination, because all the sensationalist blog posts that antivaxxers point to as "evidence" of extreme vaccine dangers and minimal effectiveness are just BS and opinion. See, I can say that, and it is just as valid as your point.

Oh wait, it's actually infinitely more valid, because what I just said is fact.

Barbara Harding
Barbara Harding
  • Dianna Donnelly

Your poor children. I pray they stay safe . And be it on your conscious if they are not!

Davynn Nichole
Davynn Nichole
  • Dianna Donnelly

Martin Bouckaert first of all heres a little fact, they put poisons such as mercury in vaccines. the point is people have a choice. fact is these vaccines are weakening our immune systems. and on another point, theres no need to be a spelling nazi.

Davynn Nichole
Davynn Nichole
  • Dianna Donnelly

Andrea Leong The medical establishment considers vaccines effective if they suppress a few targeted illnesses — but at what expense? An emerging body of evidence indicates that vaccines can damage a child’s developing immune system and brain, leading to debilitating and life-threatening disorders like autism, ADHD, asthma, peanut allergies, juvenile diabetes, or to SIDS, death itself.

As children’s physical, mental and emotional health continues to deteriorate, the commonly occurring...

Andrea Leong The medical establishment considers vaccines effective if they suppress a few targeted illnesses — but at what expense? An emerging body of evidence indicates that vaccines can damage a child’s developing immune system and brain, leading to debilitating and life-threatening disorders like autism, ADHD, asthma, peanut allergies, juvenile diabetes, or to SIDS, death itself.

As children’s physical, mental and emotional health continues to deteriorate, the commonly occurring symptoms of these deficits – e.g. allergies and asthma, learning disabilities, hyperactivity and aggression - tend to become viewed as normal. And when health authorities increasingly suppress evidence of vaccine harm, it’s no wonder some parents don’t consider it possible that these previously rare conditions could be caused in whole or in part by vaccinations.

VRAN knows many cases of children severely damaged or dead due to vaccinations. In the 1980’s, paediatrician, Robert Mendelsohn, MD voiced his concern: “There is growing suspicion that immunization against relatively harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune diseases since mass inoculations were introduced. These are fearful diseases such as cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig’s disease, lupus erythematosus, and the Guillain-Barre syndrome.”

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Dianna Donnelly

Oh Barbara: why am I not surprised you'd be someone who would resort to PRAYING to keep someone safe. You poor lady.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Dianna Donnelly

Praying: exactly as effective as homoeopathy.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert

Those of you on the "mercury causes autism" swing, do you realise how preposterous that is? Mercury poisoning certainly causes harm, but even straight-up mercury poisoning cannot just cause autism alone without affecting the entire nervous system. And yet, there is a whole spectrum of autistic conditions, including the high-functioning ones myself. If I was mercury poisoned, I would be in a much more serious condition, physically as well as mentally. Autistic children do not have the...

Those of you on the "mercury causes autism" swing, do you realise how preposterous that is? Mercury poisoning certainly causes harm, but even straight-up mercury poisoning cannot just cause autism alone without affecting the entire nervous system. And yet, there is a whole spectrum of autistic conditions, including the high-functioning ones myself. If I was mercury poisoned, I would be in a much more serious condition, physically as well as mentally. Autistic children do not have the movement disorders and peripheral nerve damage that that are characteristic of mercury poisoning. It's highly implausible because of that alone, but even if you wanted to say, "it's not severe mercury poisoning," which is without merit because there isn't such thing as a not-severe case of mercury poisoning, but there is no scientific evidence or logical reason to believe that autism has a toxic cause.

Sarah Trimble
Sarah Trimble
  • Martin Bouckaert

The research that the vaccines caused autism has been so thoroughly disproven, it's ridiculous.The research was completely fraudulent and it is heartbreaking that people are still buying into these lies. One of the authors of the research has lost his medical license in the UK, and people still believe his BS. I am married to a Pharmacist, who is on the spectrum, and we made the right decision for our son by having him vaccinated. I have a strong trust in my pediatrician as well. He tells...

The research that the vaccines caused autism has been so thoroughly disproven, it's ridiculous.The research was completely fraudulent and it is heartbreaking that people are still buying into these lies. One of the authors of the research has lost his medical license in the UK, and people still believe his BS. I am married to a Pharmacist, who is on the spectrum, and we made the right decision for our son by having him vaccinated. I have a strong trust in my pediatrician as well. He tells me truthfully what he feels we can skip, and what he feels we should be getting done to protect our child in the best way.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

Hi, Gelaine. Excuse me, but I AM autistic, and I think I'd know if I had mercury poisoning, but thank you for the poorly sourced and ill-informed chart that basically just assumes that everyone with autism is mentally retarded and they all have the exact same symptoms. This is simply not the case, and the variability of autistic traits experienced by autistic persons compared to the consistent symptoms of mercury poison is another nail in the coffin of the autism-mercury-vaccine link.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

In other words, that chart is wrong, to be polite. But I prefer to tell it like it is than to be polite, and that chart is a load of shit.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

Interesting, that page is promoting chelation as a treatment for autism... they definitely have a profit motive for trying to make autism look like heavy metal poisoning. Try getting your information from a .org, .gov or a .edu next time instead of a .com.

http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/thimerosal.html

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

I know I don't have mercury poisoning because i am in perfect health. see, if i had mercury poisoning, i wouldn't be in perfect health. that's "how the hell" i would know. What I would like to know is how the hell would you know? Can you diagnose my health via the information superhighway with your super magic powers? I bet I haven't had a heavy metals test done because I haven't presented symptoms of heavy metals poisoning. It doesn't matter whether you believe I have metal poisoning or...

I know I don't have mercury poisoning because i am in perfect health. see, if i had mercury poisoning, i wouldn't be in perfect health. that's "how the hell" i would know. What I would like to know is how the hell would you know? Can you diagnose my health via the information superhighway with your super magic powers? I bet I haven't had a heavy metals test done because I haven't presented symptoms of heavy metals poisoning. It doesn't matter whether you believe I have metal poisoning or not, the fact is, you would know if you do, because it affects the whole nervous system. It causes serious pain and illness, not high-functioning autism. I doubt you are qualified to even diagnose autism let alone heavy metal poisoning. Especially after witnessing your talent (or lack thereof) for research. Don't they teach basic research and analytical skills at Northern Illinois University? Or are you doing an arts degree?

Gelaine Gushi
Gelaine Gushi
  • Martin Bouckaert

Of course I can't diagnose it.. I am not a toxicologist.. However, I have done research on it, and I did not receive my degree in the arts, it is a sciences degree.. Talk to any parent who has a child with autism who has done a heavy metal test.. The link is clear.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

Here, let me give you a hand. This stuff isn't hard to find, you know

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1995/pdf/1995-v10n0304-p145.pdf

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

And since we're talking about mercury, why don't you go find out what the difference is between molecular mercury and elemental mercury, and then come back and tell me which ones are used in which vaccines, and why.

Gelaine Gushi
Gelaine Gushi
  • Martin Bouckaert

And I know better than to say that people with autism are retarded.. I know better.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

I'm not sure if this posted or not, it's not appearing for me, so I'm posting it again a second time.

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1995/pdf/1995-v10n0304-p145.pdf

Also, while you're researching mercury, you may wish to examine the difference between elemental mercury and compound mercury, the different mercury compounds and their uses, particularly the difference between ethyl mercury (which is metabolised by the body very quickly and does not bioaccumulate, just like methyl...

I'm not sure if this posted or not, it's not appearing for me, so I'm posting it again a second time.

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1995/pdf/1995-v10n0304-p145.pdf

Also, while you're researching mercury, you may wish to examine the difference between elemental mercury and compound mercury, the different mercury compounds and their uses, particularly the difference between ethyl mercury (which is metabolised by the body very quickly and does not bioaccumulate, just like methyl alcohol, which is what we get from the local liquor store) and methyl mercury (which does bioaccumulate, just like methyl alcohol, which we don't get from the liquor store). Then, while you're at it, learn what the difference is between an ethyl compound and a methyl compound, and you'll learn why thimerosol, in the quantities it is in in vaccines, is completely harmless. Once you've done that, try to find out which vaccines it is in... there should only be on flu vaccine, which has a thimerosol-free alternative. Then, once you've done that, try to justify again why my autism might actually be mercury poisoning. You might make a case if you can count how many tuna sandwiches I've eaten, since there is more elemental mercury in a tuna sandwich than there is thimerosol in the combined dose of more than a dozen flu shots.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves

Vaccines spread disease, you get what your given and more, vaccines offer zero protection and do nothing more than harm and kill. Want the real evidence then look at the victims of vaccines and speak to their parents, the medical world is now controlled by corrupt politicians. And never forget Bill Gates who claims vaccines will help depopulate the world by 15% per annum, google it.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Alan James Greaves

Where is your evidence that they offer zero protection?

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

Vaccines don't spread disease at all, and Bill Gate's speech was not a reference to reducing the population by killing people off. I'm afraid you have been grossly mislead and misinformed by a conspiracy theory.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Alan James Greaves

I don't think we have enough tin foil for these debates!

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Alan James Greaves

Have you ever seen a vaccine save a cat from a tree? See! Zero Protection!
And that awful Bill Gates.. He spread microsoft all over the world, and Microsoft is full of viruses .... SEE PROOF! Gates is spreading virus stuff..

Alan, I'm going to start a website that states "Alan James Greaves loves vaccines and believes they are one of the most important health initiatives ever"

Then I can tell people to google it... and they'll find what you really think!!!!

Stephanie Marie
Stephanie Marie
  • Alan James Greaves

Live virus vaccines can spread, the kids are infectious during shedding.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Alan James Greaves

Interesting, the more outrageous the claims - the "you are brainwashed zombies" or "mass genocide", the more likes the poster gets. I have never come across so many people so thoroughly removed from every day life and who are so paranoid.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Alan James Greaves

WHAT ON GODS GREEN EARTH ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?
You aren't making a lick of sense.
Let me throw that one right back at you...WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A VACCINE SAVE A CAT FROM A TREE?
OMG...really? THAT is your logic?
Just what ARE your credentials, Jared Hyams? What experience do you have that makes you so much more educated on this subject than those of us who have lived it 24/7. How are you going to sit here and tell us we are wrong when there are so many of us who WITNESSED...

WHAT ON GODS GREEN EARTH ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?
You aren't making a lick of sense.
Let me throw that one right back at you...WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A VACCINE SAVE A CAT FROM A TREE?
OMG...really? THAT is your logic?
Just what ARE your credentials, Jared Hyams? What experience do you have that makes you so much more educated on this subject than those of us who have lived it 24/7. How are you going to sit here and tell us we are wrong when there are so many of us who WITNESSED the change. We KNOW when our children were vaccinated. We KNOW when the drastic changes took place. Where were YOU when my child took a nose dive after being happy and healthy, walking and running early, talking early, etc.? Where were you the last 20 years of his life? Because I sure the heck don't remember you being there when he was conceived and I REALLY don't remember you being there when he was born.
Do you realize how foolish you look sitting here fighting with MANY people who are sharing the very same experience? How do you even deny that? Why would you WANT to deny that? Why do you hate autistic/brain injured children SOOOO much that you would rather fight like hell to keep the autism holocaust in full swing? What did our children ever do to you?
my child was perfectly fine UNTIL I vaccinated, and too many vaccines were given...by orders of the health clinic/doctors office after THEY forgot to document one of his MMR vaccinations. I'm the one holding his vaccine records...not you. I'm the one who has been taking care of him 24/7 for 20+ years now...not you. How many autistic children do you have? BETTER HURRY UP AND VACCINATE YOUR KIDS SO YOU CAN SAVE THEM FROM TREES!!

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Alan James Greaves

Tell me this then, why is it that I have never caught anything that I have been vaccinated against, but have caught 3 Vaccine preventable disease that I haven't be vaccinated against? This should be interesting.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

Many antivaccination groups are pushing the story that Gates is at fault for 47,500 paralysis cases after polio vaccine in India. However, the CDC has reported that there have been no cases of polio in India since 2011, compared to the 741 case in 2009. The paralysis cases were identified as non polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis, which can result from any number of non-polio viruses or bacterium. In this case, non-polio enteroviruses were identified as the cause, and not polio that resulted from...

Many antivaccination groups are pushing the story that Gates is at fault for 47,500 paralysis cases after polio vaccine in India. However, the CDC has reported that there have been no cases of polio in India since 2011, compared to the 741 case in 2009. The paralysis cases were identified as non polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis, which can result from any number of non-polio viruses or bacterium. In this case, non-polio enteroviruses were identified as the cause, and not polio that resulted from the vaccines themselves. In fact, polio vaccines may spontaneously recombine in the wild, and can be transmitted to other humans. However, in India with a population of 1.2 billion people, there have only been a few cases of actual polio from recombination events. If it were widespread, we’d see millions of cases, but we don’t. Debunked.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz

Let's make it clear...I am not PRO-VACCINE or ANTI-VACCINE. I am PRO-CLEANER VACCINE, but until that happens...stay away from my son. I was not brought here by anyone. I came here on my own free will. I am 100% vaccinated, so is my child. There is no one in my home who is NOT 100% vaccinated. So don't get your britches in a bunch thinking everyone came here for a lynching. That's foolish.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Mindy Utz

If I am PRO/ANTI anything...I am PRO-GRANT. My son, Grant, is my only concern. You worry about your children, I will worry about mine. Vaccinated individuals actually have a higher risk of spreading disease than non-vaccinated people. If you TRULY do your homework, you will see that all diseases have eradicated themselves in time before vaccines were ever introduced. How do you explain that? You can't...because it doesn't fit into your uneducated agenda.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Mindy Utz

Erm, sure Mindy, whatever you say. I would sit here and talk to you about research and studies, but I have a sneaky suspicion that it wouldn't change anything. You clearly, clearly have no idea about vaccines, or "liquid Poison" as you like to call it. But hey, you just sit her and talk about how all diseases eradicated themselves in their own time, I mean -that would make sense, considering the massive epidemics of whooping cough and measles around the world right now wouldn't it. Oh, wait - no it wouldn't.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Mindy Utz

Birdie...I have been living it 24/7 for 20+ years now. Do you have any idea how foolish your statement was? You're going to tell a mother that lives it every minute of every day and cleans up the mess that our government, CDC, FDA, and Big Pharma have left behind? It is YOU who truly has no idea.
Birdie...let's put this into perspective...
I read an article the other day where FIFTY (50) CHILDREN HAVE COME DOWN WITH THE WHOOPING COUGH IN ONE STATE. Everyone is up in arms about those...

Birdie...I have been living it 24/7 for 20+ years now. Do you have any idea how foolish your statement was? You're going to tell a mother that lives it every minute of every day and cleans up the mess that our government, CDC, FDA, and Big Pharma have left behind? It is YOU who truly has no idea.
Birdie...let's put this into perspective...
I read an article the other day where FIFTY (50) CHILDREN HAVE COME DOWN WITH THE WHOOPING COUGH IN ONE STATE. Everyone is up in arms about those numbers. OH MY GOD...FIFTY KIDS IN THE ENTIRE STATE!! CALL THE VACCINE POLICE. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?
Well, Birdie, I wish I could say that there were ONLY 50 children in my state who are diagnosed with autism. There are 88 counties in Ohio and I am sure there are at least 50 children per COUNTY who are now diagnosed with autism.
You are screaming bloody murder about how these children need to be vaccinated...well where in the hell are YOU to help the parents and children who have been effected? I don't see all you "Pro-Vaxxers" out volunteering your time to help these families...instead you treat them as lepers. How "pro" ANYTHING of you - (note sarcasm). If you HONESTLY believe there is no connection, you might want to contact the CDC and tell them that their latest findings are INCORRECT. You might also want to get off your sweaty ass and contradicting parents who have LIVED IT for DECADES and actually do something PRO-ACTIVE about it. If you are truly soooo sure there is no connection...why are you sitting here rather than out there fighting to find the REAL answer? Since you are a self-proclaimed expert on the subject, Birdie...why don't you share with us what the REAL cause of autism is...AND YOU BETTER COUGH ONE UP AFTER YOUR ARROGANT STATEMENT!!

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Mindy Utz

There is no link between vaccines and Autism, it has been proven time and time again. AND, I am not from Ohio, where I am from, we had over 14,000 cases of whooping cough in my state last year. You are the one jumping up and down, swearing at people who disagree with you, screaming like a banshee. Really, you need to step back and calm down. I haven't said anything to you about your sweaty ass or said anything personal to you. Also, exactly what do you want pro vaxxers to do to help you,...

There is no link between vaccines and Autism, it has been proven time and time again. AND, I am not from Ohio, where I am from, we had over 14,000 cases of whooping cough in my state last year. You are the one jumping up and down, swearing at people who disagree with you, screaming like a banshee. Really, you need to step back and calm down. I haven't said anything to you about your sweaty ass or said anything personal to you. Also, exactly what do you want pro vaxxers to do to help you, volunteering their time to do what? I also haven't screamed bloody murder about kids being vaccinated??? This study included 500,000 children in it. But let me guess, it's flawed right? Big pharma blah blah? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/

Please just try to stop being so rude and aggressive.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Mindy Utz

Mindy, you aren't the only parent of a child with autism. You need to calm down and stop acting as if the world owes you something, because they don't. Vaccines do not cause autism. Recent research in the past three or four years has found over 300 genetic markers that determine if a person will develop autism. It is genetic, it is determined months before the child is born, and no amount of anti-vaccine screaming will change it. I've said it before, and I will continue to say it: There...

Mindy, you aren't the only parent of a child with autism. You need to calm down and stop acting as if the world owes you something, because they don't. Vaccines do not cause autism. Recent research in the past three or four years has found over 300 genetic markers that determine if a person will develop autism. It is genetic, it is determined months before the child is born, and no amount of anti-vaccine screaming will change it. I've said it before, and I will continue to say it: There isn't a child born ever who is damaged in any way, until their parents get hold of them. Autistic individuals are not damaged, they have differently constructed brains, which means they learn and process information differently. There isn't any vaccine that can create the brain development that is being found, universally, in autistic individuals. That brain construction begins prenatally. The research has been done to show this and more is being done to understand it better. They are even working on a blood test to be given to newborns to test for autism. As things stand now, over all it is about 72% effective at finding ASD in individuals who have already been diagnosed. I can get you the links for this research if you are really interested, but based on the amount of vehemence in your last post, I'm guessing you aren't really.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Mindy Utz

You must be a freaking expert, Birdie...for you to even go against the CDC's latest findings. Perhaps we should build a shrine for you...bow to you...blow sunshine, glitter, and all things good out of our bums in your presence. *rolls eyes*. I will pray for you, that God doesn't allow you vaccine nazi's to harm anymore innocent children. SHAME ON YOU. You will answer to God. Now, I must go to bed...I have to get up early and take care of my VACCINE INJURED 20 YEAR OLD.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Mindy Utz

You are obviously unstable Mindy. I'm out, I cannot be trying to get my point across when you just scream insults with anyone who dares to disagree with you. PS, your language is charming for a mother. Nice one.
I am not a vaccine nazi, all I said in the beginning was that it was clear that the anti vaxxers all came together on this poll, do you know how I know that? Because in real life, non vaxxers make up about 10% of the population. Not 40+ %.

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Mindy Utz

Lara Lohne I would love to see the research, do you have a link?

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Mindy Utz

Another vaccine nazi who believes they have all the answers in the world...yet won't share them. Well, Einstein...you're damn right I'm not owed anything but my son sure is. You people who force this garbage upon innocent children should be tried for attempted murder when each is vaccine injured. So you TOO are saying the CDC is wrong? Can you give me your credentials that prove you have more experience and information than even the CDC?

Addrienne Adamson
Addrienne Adamson
  • Mindy Utz

I am not PRO-VACCINE or ANTI-VACCINE. I am PRO-CLEANER VACCINE, but until that happens...stay away from my son. Which means your anti-vaccination .. if you're going to take a stand on something, at least have the balls to own up to it.

Joe Jared
Joe Jared

Our daughter has never been vaccinated and never been sick. Making a person sick to prevent them from getting sick makes as much sense as going to war for peace.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Joe Jared

That's a very long bow to draw.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Joe Jared

You really hit the nail on the head Joe. Brilliant!

Michaël Henkens
Michaël Henkens
  • Joe Jared

so cutting in a person to remove a malign tumor also makes no sense, Joe?

Jared Hyams
Jared Hyams
  • Joe Jared

going to war for peace? gee.. maybe the allies should have laid down in WWI and WWII ... way to hit a Nail with a piece of wet lettuce

Jamie Masciantonio
Jamie Masciantonio
  • Joe Jared

Using that argument, my daughter has been vaccinated and never been ill......so which one of our statements proves that vaccinating (or not vaccinating) is the right way to go?

Colin Jenkins
Colin Jenkins
  • Joe Jared

It's called freeloading Joe. Selfishly using the safe space (afforded by herd immunity) created by those of use that enter a social contract and vaccinate - when that space is needed by those that are too young or too ill to get vaccinated. Not vaccinating affects those around you - thus is not a personal choice like hairstyle.

Joe Jared
Joe Jared
  • Joe Jared

It makes more sense to properly treat the patient with substances known to reduce tumors, such as DCA, THC and the Thundergod vine. Chemo is an abomination.

Joe Jared
Joe Jared
  • Joe Jared

Jamie Masciantonio I and most of my family had childhood asthma and I also had quite a few allergies. My daughter is perfectly healthy, and thanks to clean water and healthy organic foods, has yet to be sick.

Joe Jared
Joe Jared
  • Joe Jared

Colin Jenkins That is nothing short of used cow food. If anything, and given that nearly every epidemic was actually caused by vaccines and especially, improper storage, your child is more a threat to my family than my daughter is. You may want to research the Whooping cough epidemic in Washington. More than 85% of who got sick, were vaccinated.

Lyle Filer
Lyle Filer

It's so discusting that some people would put their children at risk of such terrible diseases just because of some idiot telling them the vaccines are not safe, if you choose not to vaccinate you are a bad parent! Should just leave your children's seatbelts off in the car or not let them wear a helmet when riding a bike, I guess some people just have no idea about risk versus benefit

Bec Filer
Bec Filer
  • Lyle Filer

Sometimes the vaccination is blamed for conditions that it has not caused as well..

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Lyle Filer

Shanel de Schot I have friends who have autistic children and they too blame vaccines. But the connection between autism and vaccines has been so thoroughly disproven that it is almost impossible that vaccines were to blame. However, I can't blame the parents for latching onto anything as a possible cause for something so sad and unfair. The fact that the family has decided not to vaccinate their other children is sad, but it's very understandable.

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

There was a clear correlation between the cerebral palsy and the vaccination for the child in question. The child's older sibling had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and the child was premature so should not have been vaccinated when she was even though it was the standard time for babies. The doctor was found guilty of medical malpractice because of the circumstances in which the vaccine was given; the vaccine clearly caused the cerebral palsy in this child. Although there are may be...

There was a clear correlation between the cerebral palsy and the vaccination for the child in question. The child's older sibling had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and the child was premature so should not have been vaccinated when she was even though it was the standard time for babies. The doctor was found guilty of medical malpractice because of the circumstances in which the vaccine was given; the vaccine clearly caused the cerebral palsy in this child. Although there are may be flip cases where a child has died from a condition that could have been prevented by vaccination, in this case the vaccine has done more damage than good. This child that was otherwise healthy is now confined to a wheelchair and is completely dependent on her parents for all forms of care.

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

I think it is pretty ignorant of you to say that they are bad parents. What qualifies you to be able to make that judgement? I think a good parent is one who looks into it and researches all information instead of making such a narrow-minded comment

Lyle Filer
Lyle Filer
  • Lyle Filer

Shanel one of the most dangerous things you can do in life is be in a motor vehicle but yet you decide that the benefit of getting some where fast is far better than the high (far higher than a negative reaction to a vaccine) chance of dying or being injured in a car crash. A doctor doing the wrong thing is an isolated insistence and happens with a lot of things not just vaccinations and the problem with ppl trying to do "research" on vaccines is that there is so much misinformation out...

Shanel one of the most dangerous things you can do in life is be in a motor vehicle but yet you decide that the benefit of getting some where fast is far better than the high (far higher than a negative reaction to a vaccine) chance of dying or being injured in a car crash. A doctor doing the wrong thing is an isolated insistence and happens with a lot of things not just vaccinations and the problem with ppl trying to do "research" on vaccines is that there is so much misinformation out there that many parents will think they are not safe even though they are! Also do not want my daughter being put at risk simply because there are parents out there who don't understand risk versus benefit!

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

How can you say they are safe? There is a lot of research to say they are safe but then there is plenty of other research to say about the risks involved. It is a well known fact that there are risks involved with any vaccination. I think unless you have experienced the risks and negative reactions that may happen then you don't have a right to criticize those parents that don't want to get their children vaccinated. I am not saying all vaccinations are wrong and children should not be...

How can you say they are safe? There is a lot of research to say they are safe but then there is plenty of other research to say about the risks involved. It is a well known fact that there are risks involved with any vaccination. I think unless you have experienced the risks and negative reactions that may happen then you don't have a right to criticize those parents that don't want to get their children vaccinated. I am not saying all vaccinations are wrong and children should not be vaccinated at all because I do know there are benefits. But it is a parents choice and they shouldn't be criticized and called a bad parent for making that choice if they can back up their decision. So Lyle, in the case of the family friend who didn't vaccinate their children b/c of the chance of them too getting cerebral palsy you would say they are bad parents? Because as they have to wash, feed, and change the nappies of their 20 year old daughter (all because of a vaccination), I say they are a damn good parent and completely understand and respect their decision of not vaccinating their other children.

Bec Filer
Bec Filer
  • Lyle Filer

I say everyone calm the fuck down we all have our opinions

Bec Filer
Bec Filer
  • Lyle Filer

Shanel you are using one case as a basis for your argument where the doctor obviously should have known better. This is not so for all babies and vaccinations.

Shanel de Schot
Shanel de Schot
  • Lyle Filer

I am perfectly calm and I know this is only one example but it is one example to counter Lyle's sweeping generalisation that all parents who do not vaccinate their children are bad parents. The doctor should have known better but at the end of the day, the vaccine still caused this and so it is well within these parents' right to choose not to vaccine their other children. There are other less serious cases that show vaccines can cause side-effects, that's why doctors routinely warn you....

I am perfectly calm and I know this is only one example but it is one example to counter Lyle's sweeping generalisation that all parents who do not vaccinate their children are bad parents. The doctor should have known better but at the end of the day, the vaccine still caused this and so it is well within these parents' right to choose not to vaccine their other children. There are other less serious cases that show vaccines can cause side-effects, that's why doctors routinely warn you. Yes, we do all have our opinion but this goes beyond that in arbitrarily condemning and attacking all parents who choose not to vaccinate their children as "disgusting".

Lyle Filer
Lyle Filer
  • Lyle Filer

So if they made an "informed" choice I would assume they were told by a doctor that their other children were at high risk of complications and they shouldn't vaccinate them? If not then I stick to my previous statement because if people's kids are able to be vaccinated then good parents will vaccinate them!

Mandy McDonald
Mandy McDonald

I am wondering if the people that say we are selfish and ignorant and living in the dark ages, have actually done any research into vaccinations themselves? You may be surprised that we that make this decision have read both sides of the argument and have decided the best for our family and which risk we are prepared to take for them - yes! vaccinations have many risks as well and we are also aware that not vaccinating has some risks that must be considered. But, it's not just about not...

I am wondering if the people that say we are selfish and ignorant and living in the dark ages, have actually done any research into vaccinations themselves? You may be surprised that we that make this decision have read both sides of the argument and have decided the best for our family and which risk we are prepared to take for them - yes! vaccinations have many risks as well and we are also aware that not vaccinating has some risks that must be considered. But, it's not just about not vaccinating, it's also about making other health choices for your children that will give them a strong immune system so they can fight illnesses that will inevitably come their way. Please don't condemn us for our decisions to care for our family. And if vaccinations are so effective, then how are we putting other people at risk? Shouldn't they be protected by their vaccinations? Unvaccinated children are not the only ones that can contract and pass on diseases.
i could go on, but will let you do your own reading and see what you find out.

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen
  • Mandy McDonald

Unfortunately, if you knew how to do research properly rather than selectively looking at Anti-Vax propaganda, you would clearly see that the evidence that supports the benefit of vaccination far outweighs the potential risks. You get no respect from me.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Mandy McDonald

and you get none from me...we're all entited to our opinions and decisions.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Mandy McDonald

Susie Walsh Yes, you are entitled to opinions and decisions. Once you try to convince others of your point of view you are encouraging unhealthy decisions. That may just be out of bounds.

Mandy McDonald
Mandy McDonald
  • Mandy McDonald

thanks, I am great at doing research and looking at both sides of the argument. The risk I am willing to take on behalf of my own children is my own choice, and not for anyone else to decide. You may wish to take a different risk with your own children, if you have any. I don't need your respect, I am happy with my choices and will continue to make the best choices for my family - I don't speak for others, just defend my rights to make those choices freely.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Mandy McDonald

Yes, you have that choice. And I prefer (as does our society) that your children not go to school with my children.

Carole Sarvis
Carole Sarvis
  • Mandy McDonald

the ones who are not protected and are dying are the tiny babies who are too young to be vaccinated! Continue your reading.

Carole Sarvis
Carole Sarvis
  • Mandy McDonald

No one who has whooping cough or seen a child or adult with it would seriously want to expose their own offspring to the same suffering and potential death. I know whereof I speak for I had whooping cough as a child. I also survived bad bouts of measles, mumps and chicken pox. I was lucky I did not get polio but a cousin of mine did, he lived with a polio result of a withered arm and a shortened leg from aged 12 until he died a few years ago after many years of poor health and poor quality of life due to post-polio syndrome.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Mandy McDonald

Mandy McDonald You have the right to your own opinion, but that does not mean people have to respect it and you do not have the right to your own facts. I suggest you do some Real research, instead of looking up BS conspiracy sites and thinking that is "true" information. Man people are so gullible. This gullibility wouldn't bother me if it weren't endangering not only your child, but the population at large. So, if your kid or anyone else's who champions this "cause" contracts polio...

Mandy McDonald You have the right to your own opinion, but that does not mean people have to respect it and you do not have the right to your own facts. I suggest you do some Real research, instead of looking up BS conspiracy sites and thinking that is "true" information. Man people are so gullible. This gullibility wouldn't bother me if it weren't endangering not only your child, but the population at large. So, if your kid or anyone else's who champions this "cause" contracts polio or hepatitis, etc... you have no one to blame but yourself.

Mandy McDonald
Mandy McDonald
  • Mandy McDonald

I don't rely on the internet for my research, I use many sources to make my judgement. Where do you get your information from? Your own research, or do you choose to believe the medical community? I am also not gullible, I think you are for believing that vaccination is a flawless 100% effective and safe option because it is not.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Mandy McDonald

No, I don't think they are "flawless" but they are pretty close with very few side effects. "do you choose to believe the medical community" Since doctors and scientists are the experts and best sources for info in this case, yes, I tend to go with their opinions. Not some crackpot propaganda site that you and others are sadly falling for. Do you believe in chem trails, area 51, Obama's a Muslim,etc too? I feel sorry for people like you :(

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng

Sure. Blame the internet for the rise in people not choosing to vaccinate their kids. If vaccines were 100% safe and effective no tool would be able to convince people to not vaccinate their kids. People who don't vaccinate their kids do not make that decision lightly. There has to be a compelling reason for them to go against what is considered mainstream because all parents want the best for their kids. Thank God for the Internet so that all people can do their own research and have...

Sure. Blame the internet for the rise in people not choosing to vaccinate their kids. If vaccines were 100% safe and effective no tool would be able to convince people to not vaccinate their kids. People who don't vaccinate their kids do not make that decision lightly. There has to be a compelling reason for them to go against what is considered mainstream because all parents want the best for their kids. Thank God for the Internet so that all people can do their own research and have the freedom to decide for themselves which path they want to take not only regarding vaccination but for every decision they make in life. Long live the Internet!

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

As an adult, who was raised in an anti-vaccine family, I feel I must say your statement is foolish. You are playing to the Nirvana Fallacy. NOTHING in life is without some form of risk, not even getting out of bed in the morning. Science is quite aware of what the risks of vaccinating are, but compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent, it is much more dangerous not to opt for vaccination. I had mumps at age 6, watched a younger sister nearly die from meningitis when she was one, I...

As an adult, who was raised in an anti-vaccine family, I feel I must say your statement is foolish. You are playing to the Nirvana Fallacy. NOTHING in life is without some form of risk, not even getting out of bed in the morning. Science is quite aware of what the risks of vaccinating are, but compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent, it is much more dangerous not to opt for vaccination. I had mumps at age 6, watched a younger sister nearly die from meningitis when she was one, I had pertussis at 17 which left me with permanent damage to my lungs. Not to mention all the times my siblings and I were removed from school due to measles outbreaks in our area. The anti-vaccine movement has always been around, since inoculations were first being done, and the arguments against them hasn't changed over the years. It's just a lot easier now to get access to incorrect information and anti-vaccination myths, due to wide spread use of Google. Emotional appeals on the Internet, while they can sound plausible, when compared to actual science, leave a lot to be desired. Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health, and the fact is, our world is much healthier since vaccination became wide spread. Vaccination has eliminated Rinderpest, smallpox and is well on it's way to eradicating polio as well. Here's the thing, that is the actual aim of vaccinations to begin with, eradicating disease! With the diseases gone, vaccines would not longer be necessary, and by not vaccinating, you are hindering the job of eradication and prolonging the vaccination periods of disease control and prevention. So if you want to eliminating vaccination, get your kids vaccinated to help eliminate disease!

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Lara, you seem to think that if someone is not sick then they are healthy. Now that is a foolish statement. You seem to think vaccinations is the only way to protect your body from disease when our body's immune system has protected the human species way before vaccines were even invented. If you bothered to do your research you will know that you only get sick if your immune system has been compromised. The first thing you should be doing is take a good hard look at what you are feeding...

Lara, you seem to think that if someone is not sick then they are healthy. Now that is a foolish statement. You seem to think vaccinations is the only way to protect your body from disease when our body's immune system has protected the human species way before vaccines were even invented. If you bothered to do your research you will know that you only get sick if your immune system has been compromised. The first thing you should be doing is take a good hard look at what you are feeding yourself and your kids and see whether the food you are eating is making your immune system stronger or making it weaker. 9 times out of 10 the people who get sick most often are the ones that consume large amounts of processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's. Just like a car, your immune system requires the right type of fuel to operate efficiently. Try filling your car up with Coca Cola and see how it runs. Furthermore, even vaccines rely on your immune system to be strong for it to work. A weak immune system will not protect you from any disease regardless whether you are vaccinate or not. Oh by the way, viruses mutate so is nearly impossible to completely eradicate a disease so the number of vaccines can only go up not down. Time to look outside the box I say.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

That is a highly speculative assumption seeing as how you don't know me and I can't see any way you could draw that conclusion based on what I said. I am well aware that a person can be unhealthy even if they aren't sick. However, vaccination can help a person who may be unhealthy to give them the little extra boost to fight off an infection without suffering through the disease, then a person who is healthy and unvaccinated. Measles virus won't care how healthy you are if it comes across...

That is a highly speculative assumption seeing as how you don't know me and I can't see any way you could draw that conclusion based on what I said. I am well aware that a person can be unhealthy even if they aren't sick. However, vaccination can help a person who may be unhealthy to give them the little extra boost to fight off an infection without suffering through the disease, then a person who is healthy and unvaccinated. Measles virus won't care how healthy you are if it comes across your path. It is the single most highly contagious pathogen on the planet, if it finds you, and you don't already have immunity from vaccination, you will get measles. Why put yourself through that? Why allow a virus or bacteria to infect you and cause you to suffer when there is a vaccine to prevent it from happening? That just doesn't make sense in my book, it never did really.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Robert Tseng

I'm not sure why my reply keeps disappearing, but I've replied twice and both times it disappears. Oh well, you aren't ever going to get it until a virus strikes.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Robert Tseng

Robert, You have some nerve talking to Lara like that with your conspiracy paranoid BS after she gave her account of what she had to endure because her parents Chose not to vaccinate her and her sister who almost died. You people are endangering everyone with your careless, paranoid, selfish behavior. I bet you believe in chem trails, area 51 and other BS like that too, huh? You are making two separate arguments and trying to make them work together. What food people eat to keep themselves...

Robert, You have some nerve talking to Lara like that with your conspiracy paranoid BS after she gave her account of what she had to endure because her parents Chose not to vaccinate her and her sister who almost died. You people are endangering everyone with your careless, paranoid, selfish behavior. I bet you believe in chem trails, area 51 and other BS like that too, huh? You are making two separate arguments and trying to make them work together. What food people eat to keep themselves healthy has nothing to do with childhood vaccinations. Why don't YOU go do some real research before opening your mouth and making bogus arguments.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Lara, the toxins contained in those vaccines can do more damage than the disease itself. I eat well and make sure my children do the same. I will gladly take my chances with the disease than impair my bodies ability to fight of the disease. You mentioned that "Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health" but being healthy is a choice. Every time your grab a chocolate bar instead of an apple, you have made a conscience decision that you are happy to damage your body...

Lara, the toxins contained in those vaccines can do more damage than the disease itself. I eat well and make sure my children do the same. I will gladly take my chances with the disease than impair my bodies ability to fight of the disease. You mentioned that "Vaccination shouldn't be about choice, it should be about health" but being healthy is a choice. Every time your grab a chocolate bar instead of an apple, you have made a conscience decision that you are happy to damage your body in exchange for a few moments of pleasure. That is fine because you have that right and no one can take it away from you. It is unfortunate that you had to suffer as a child and I can understand why you want as many parents to vaccinate their children in the "hope" that their children don't suffer the same fate as you did but by not giving people a choice means you are forcing this onto them and this is not the right way to go about it and that is what I am opposed to.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

Fara, your comment is one of the most ridiculous comments I have encountered. I am not going to waste my time talking to someone who clearly does not have a clue.

Fara Dawn
Fara Dawn
  • Robert Tseng

Why because it calls you out on your logical fallacy argument? You are the one without a clue, brainwashed by propaganda you've read on nut job websites. Everyone knows that people should eat well, you are making a false connection based on junk science. It amazes me how just how many gullible people there are out there. I feel sorry for you and your children.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to...

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to make an informed decision. Everything is related and the decision you make starts a chain reaction that could be for the better or the worse. The fact you don't understand this means I should be the one feeling sorry for you but I don't because it is my choice.

Robert Tseng
Robert Tseng
  • Robert Tseng

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to...

lol ... the silly comments just keep coming from Fara! If everyone knows that people should be eating well then why aren't they doing it? The majority of people do not have a clue at how dangerous processed foods, refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, MSG, trans fats, and GMO's are to their body. If people really knew then they would not touch these things at all. People need to be educated of these things and the best way is to have all the information available for these individuals to make an informed decision. Everything is related and your decision will start a chain reaction for the better or worse for your body. The fact that you do not understand this simple relationship means I should be the one feeling sorry for you but I don't because that is my choice.

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