Sharon Kocpek
Sharon Kocpek

every one get your flu shot please.

Dave Hawkes
Dave Hawkes
  • Sharon Kocpek

Influenza is a virus. It doesn't care whether you eat organic or not. This year has not been a particularly bad flu year which is great. However these viruses tend to go in waves. If you have small children, or come in contact with those that do, or the elderly or the chronically ill then getting the flu vaccine is a way in which you can contribute to these people having better health outcomes.

Scott Hansen
Scott Hansen
  • Sharon Kocpek

Seriously, your children are too important to simply rely on exercise and diet alone. Of course the flu vaccine is necessary.

Do we think turning to "legal drugs" is helping? In the case of vaccination - yes. Any person that would rather listen to drooling conspiracy theorists rather than actual health professionals seriously need to take stock of their priorities and wake up to reality.

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Sharon Kocpek

to answer your questions in their order. People seems to be getting less sick. I have no friends with Polio, measles, typhoid... Do I think turning to legal drugs is really helping, yes. For sure. Can even back that up with the statistics too..

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Jared, so typhoid, measles and polio may not be the issue they once were, but we have replaced those diseases with other ones that are just as deadly, just as dangerous and in my view diseases to be very concerned about. MS is one of them, so is cancer, so is diabetes, so is Alzheimers. Parkinsons is another that is marked as increasing over the coming decades. Then there is autism, ADD, learning disorders………the list goes on. You cannot say, and neither can anyone else, that the reasons for...

Jared, so typhoid, measles and polio may not be the issue they once were, but we have replaced those diseases with other ones that are just as deadly, just as dangerous and in my view diseases to be very concerned about. MS is one of them, so is cancer, so is diabetes, so is Alzheimers. Parkinsons is another that is marked as increasing over the coming decades. Then there is autism, ADD, learning disorders………the list goes on. You cannot say, and neither can anyone else, that the reasons for the rises in these diseases has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination, environment, fluorides, food additives, chemicals on our food and in our food, vitamin deficiencies which may or may not be caused by any of the above mentioned possible causes. So until ALL of these things are proven to be 100% safe I will choose to avoid as much of these things that I feel the need to.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Jared Hyams Cont'
“The disease, (MS) is probably caused by an immune disorder during which it attacks human cells. MS destroys the myelin that sheathes nerve fibres, causing an interruption in communication between nerve cells of the central nervous system and leading to the emergence of MS.”
http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm/fuseaction/show/pageid/2325
The information below was dated 2007, if what they have found is in fact accurate the numbers would be even higher by now.
Nearly 1 out of...

Jared Hyams Cont'
“The disease, (MS) is probably caused by an immune disorder during which it attacks human cells. MS destroys the myelin that sheathes nerve fibres, causing an interruption in communication between nerve cells of the central nervous system and leading to the emergence of MS.”
http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm/fuseaction/show/pageid/2325
The information below was dated 2007, if what they have found is in fact accurate the numbers would be even higher by now.
Nearly 1 out of every 1000 people in the US - around 266,000 people - suffers from multiple sclerosis (MS), Hirtz's team calculates. This figure is 50% higher than that estimated by a similarly large literature review published in 1982 (Neurology, vol 32, p 1207).
Rates of Motor neuron/Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) and Parkinson's disease also appear stable. However, a recent study projected that the number of people living with Parkinson's disease will double from about 4.3 million to 9 million people worldwide over the next 25 years (Neurology, vol 68, p 384).
Nearly six out of every 1000 children have some form of autism. (2007)
About two out of every 1000 youngsters have Tourette's syndrome, which is characterised by uncontrolled movements and speech. Hirtz says the collection of reliable data on these disorders is relatively recent.
Hirtz's analysis also estimates that 67 out of every 1000 people aged 65 or older in the US suffers from Alzheimer's disease. She says that this represents a "substantial increase" in the prevalence of this disease and attributes this partly to the growing proportion of very elderly people in the US
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11052-marked-rise-in-ms-in-the-us-debated-by-scientists.html

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Jared Hyams And then there’s cancer……

According to French researchers, the incidence of cancer is expected to increase by more than 75% by the year 2030 in developed countries, and over 90% in developing nations. The study is published Online First in the Lancet Oncology.
• Even though very high HDI (human development index)countries only contain 15% of the world's population, they accounted for 40% of cancer cases in the world in 2008.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/246061.php

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Jared Hyams And then there’s cancer……

According to French researchers, the incidence of cancer is expected to increase by more than 75% by the year 2030 in developed countries, and over 90% in developing nations. The study is published Online First in the Lancet Oncology.
• Even though very high HDI (human development index)countries only contain 15% of the world's population, they accounted for 40% of cancer cases in the world in 2008.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/246061.php

Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
Much of the success attributed to vaccination programs may actually have been due to improvement in public health related to water quality and sanitation, less crowded living conditions, better nutrition, and higher standards of living. Typically the incidence of a disease was clearly declining before the vaccine for that disease was introduced. In England the incidence of polio had decreased by 82 % before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1956.
By Dr. James Howenstine, MD

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james.htm

And just to finish off here is a link to some notable quotes by medical Drs and scientists over the decades…….but of course they must all be conspiracy theorists because just like those amongst us here, they dare to question the norm.
http://www.itwillpass.com/quotes_doctors_quotes.shtml

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Sharon Kocpek

Love Them, Protect Them, have a whooping cough booster to save them . Very pressumptuous to assume if i was sick that i would thoughtlessly cough over strangers, how about thinking a bit more before you put your thoughts into print.

Lori Harvey
Lori Harvey
  • Sharon Kocpek

This years flu shot (according to the insert that comes with the flu shot) says each shot contains 25 mcg of mercury in it. Not Thimerosal, MERCURY!! A neurotoxin. According to Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, he did a 10 year study on the flu shot & its relation to Alzheimer's. If you get the flu shot 5 years in a row, you are 10 times more likely to get Alzheimer's. According to a study done in Tokyo, Vitamin D3 has been proven to be 800% more effective in preventing the flu than the Flu shot. I...

This years flu shot (according to the insert that comes with the flu shot) says each shot contains 25 mcg of mercury in it. Not Thimerosal, MERCURY!! A neurotoxin. According to Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, he did a 10 year study on the flu shot & its relation to Alzheimer's. If you get the flu shot 5 years in a row, you are 10 times more likely to get Alzheimer's. According to a study done in Tokyo, Vitamin D3 has been proven to be 800% more effective in preventing the flu than the Flu shot. I never get the flu shot & I don't get the flu. Shocker.......

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Sharon Kocpek

Lori, the mercury is present as part of thimerosal. It says the preservative is thimerosal. Stating the weight of mercury in this instance is like stating the weight of sodium in food --- sodium is present as a component of salt, not as elemental sodium, the highly reactive metal.

Re: Hugh Fudenberg: I, like the author of this blog (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/08/27/bill-maher-antivaccination-wingnut/) couldn't find anything about the flu vaccine amongst Fudenberg's alzheimer's...

Lori, the mercury is present as part of thimerosal. It says the preservative is thimerosal. Stating the weight of mercury in this instance is like stating the weight of sodium in food --- sodium is present as a component of salt, not as elemental sodium, the highly reactive metal.

Re: Hugh Fudenberg: I, like the author of this blog (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/08/27/bill-maher-antivaccination-wingnut/) couldn't find anything about the flu vaccine amongst Fudenberg's alzheimer's research (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Fudenberg%20H%20alzhemier) can you please post a link to the relevant study or studies?

The authors of the Tokyo vit D/flu study that you mention are far more cautious in interpreting their results, due to the small sample sizes available: "our study suggests that vitamin D3 supplementation during the winter season may reduce the incidence of
influenza A."

Ruth Acaster
Ruth Acaster

My daughter is unvaccinated. I have never ready any scientific evidence to support vaccinating her. I have been studying vaccines for 15 years. Keep an open mind and don't believe something simply because your doctor says it. Do your own research.

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Ruth Acaster

wow really? You willfully turned a blind eye to over 60 years of medical evidence and scientific support for vaccinations? Your 15 years research has been a complete waste...

Annette Bannon
Annette Bannon
  • Ruth Acaster

I think Ruth does her research, all 15 years of it, on the anti-vax sites, well obviously you are going to get only one answer!.....

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Ruth Acaster

"I have never read any scientific evidence to support vaccinating her"

Then you don't have all the information, and you are basing your decision on willful ignorance. If your daughter becomes sick from a VPD, then there is now written evidence of your neglect. The overwhelming majority of documentation done on the current vaccines in circulation supports vaccinating your child. And you'd think that if you've had 15 years to research it, I have to wonder... what have you been doing with that...

"I have never read any scientific evidence to support vaccinating her"

Then you don't have all the information, and you are basing your decision on willful ignorance. If your daughter becomes sick from a VPD, then there is now written evidence of your neglect. The overwhelming majority of documentation done on the current vaccines in circulation supports vaccinating your child. And you'd think that if you've had 15 years to research it, I have to wonder... what have you been doing with that time if you haven't found any of that overwhelming majority of evidence? Perhaps you are only looking for what you WANT to find.

The answers we want to hear are not always the same as the truth.

Page Crow
Page Crow
  • Ruth Acaster

Jared is an idiot. If he were smart, he would know that medical vaccination "research" is corrupt, biased and corporate-controlled. Medics are bitch to the corporations that run them and control their license. Follow the money.

Harry Phillips
Harry Phillips
  • Ruth Acaster

Another study where n=1... you have been nominated for a Nobel prize... wait by the phone.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Ruth Acaster

"Follow the money" could be applied to any of the sciences, even engineering. I suppose that because car manufacturers are in it for the money, we shouldn't be driving cars because they likely don't care enough about making sure the safety features work?

Oh, wait, that's what regulation is for. As it is for the medical community. And if you can make a case for the medical regulators being corrupt as well, then surely there is one for the roads regulators being owned by "Big Auto". Perhaps...

"Follow the money" could be applied to any of the sciences, even engineering. I suppose that because car manufacturers are in it for the money, we shouldn't be driving cars because they likely don't care enough about making sure the safety features work?

Oh, wait, that's what regulation is for. As it is for the medical community. And if you can make a case for the medical regulators being corrupt as well, then surely there is one for the roads regulators being owned by "Big Auto". Perhaps you should stop driving cars, just in case.

Follow the money can also apply to any "atl" med groups, such as homeopaths and chiropractors. Don't tell me they don't make a profit, and then don't try to tell me that they aren't corrupt, because it turns out they aren't bound by the same regulators as real medicine is. Funny how that works.

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Ruth Acaster

Page.... COME AT ME CHIROPRACTOR!!!! bahhahahahaha
I love it how the chiropractors are in the anti vaccine mix... Where are the legitimate medical practitioners ???
Page, I know medics and I respect them and the years they dedicate to learning and continuing their education.. I've yet to meet a chiropractor I respect intellectually... Maybe it's because they can print their degrees online, or that they are holding to dogma of a guy who just made up his own treatment out of thin air..

Wendy Ferris
Wendy Ferris

Yes the majority of parents have made an informed decision. 42% percent would follow the entire vaccination schedule yet 43% will opt for no vaccines what so ever.

Wendy Ferris
Wendy Ferris
  • Wendy Ferris

Sue, I don't accept vaccines I personally think that by vaccinating children are putting thir health at risk. I believe thay mothers should EBF their babies to build up their natural immune system instead of putting genetically modified with god knows what in them into your babies tiny bodies. Build up the immune system naturally.

Gelaine Gushi
Gelaine Gushi
  • Wendy Ferris

Ahh.. The debate never ends.. Until the science "proves" the opposite of what's been "proven".. IT's happened many times before.. It will happen again. :) It's not easy depending on science when it changes all the time.. When I was a baby, breastfeeding was a no no.. Now, it's known to be most healthy for baby..

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Wendy Ferris

I'm aggravated by the multiple times I've been typing up a comment or a reply and then the site refreshes and I lose everything. And I also really don't like fighting or arguing, it is a pointless exercise. I prefer honest and open discussion where views are received with respect and an open mind. That obviously can't happen here. That being the case, and with the obvious evidence that anti-vaccine groupies have been told to come and vote (because for some reason they put a great amount of...

I'm aggravated by the multiple times I've been typing up a comment or a reply and then the site refreshes and I lose everything. And I also really don't like fighting or arguing, it is a pointless exercise. I prefer honest and open discussion where views are received with respect and an open mind. That obviously can't happen here. That being the case, and with the obvious evidence that anti-vaccine groupies have been told to come and vote (because for some reason they put a great amount of stock in an unscientific poll) and in the process artificially inflated their numbers and polluted the results with self selection bias, there really is no point to continuing here. If anyone wants to chat or has a question, send me a message or friend request. A message is preferred first. If I don't know you, I may just decline your friend request all together. Peace out!

Annette Bannon
Annette Bannon
  • Wendy Ferris

Those who support not to vaccinate, claim they research the subject. Well, no, they 'goggle' conspiracy sites and make wild claims about vaccine reactions. The misinformation they post would be funny, if the subject wasn't so serious. As an example, I note below Ruth has posted misinformation about polio, I am sure she read her information from a conspiracy site.
Vaccination saves lives and permanent disability, to believe anything else is just nonsense.

Annette Bannon
Annette Bannon
  • Wendy Ferris

Wendy how to explain deaths from earlier this century from disease, in families who lived in good homes, had home grown food and clean water, walked every where in the fresh air? The Cemetery is full of dead children and adults who lived in those conditions?

Harry Phillips
Harry Phillips
  • Wendy Ferris

You know what else can happen "naturally" with VPD? Death.... yeah that's what they did back before vaccines... they died... oh naturally of course.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Wendy Ferris

also, if there was no rash, then it was not measles. you don't get a rash from a cold.

Darren Smith
Darren Smith

Vaccines are a major cause of disablement...

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Darren Smith

yes true. Vaccines caused me to develop critical thinking and no I suffer painfully when I see uneducated, often deluded morons post their unqualified, unworthy opinions on the internet about the great big vaccine conspiracy..

Darren Smith
Darren Smith
  • Darren Smith

I cant see you comment here Jared ??? did you remove it ???

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Darren Smith

no, i can summarise my comment in two words "herp derp"

Darren Smith
Darren Smith
  • Darren Smith

Tiz strange i have found your comment here on my wall post...facebook playing around i guess.....

Any way is it a conspiracy that 1 in 5 uk primary school kids have some form of learning disabitilty...thats 20% of 5-11 year olds, how would you like to exspailn that figure ???, and we have a measals outbreak that has claimed 45 children in the last 2 years....how do you figure that vaccines work..

Lori Harvey
Lori Harvey
  • Darren Smith

Daphne Hansen Vaccines did NOT save us. The death rate from childhood disease were on the way down prior to the widespread use of vaccines. (using the CDCs own data) Better food, better water & better saniation is what led to the delince in diseases including diseases that do NOT have vaccines for them. http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

Christopher Panzer
Christopher Panzer
  • Darren Smith

Here are more stats. The graphs show death rates from specific diseases during the past century and the dates of their corresponding vaccine introduction. http://www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/articles/vaccinations.html

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Darren Smith

You're right Sue, I don t think he has any argument that requires response anymore. He wont answer any real questions and is only concerned with telling people to speak to "real" experts. Perhaps he could at least do something pro active by supplying us with a list of professionals that he considers worthy of opinion/trust? Only then might we have something worth considering from him.

Tess Mitchell
Tess Mitchell

I so don't get how people keep saying that the link between autism and vaccines has been totally disproven when autism and sids have been listed as serious adverse reactions on the infomation slip with some of the vaccines such as: Tripedia product insert states:
“Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS [Sudden Infant Death Syndrome], anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion,...

I so don't get how people keep saying that the link between autism and vaccines has been totally disproven when autism and sids have been listed as serious adverse reactions on the infomation slip with some of the vaccines such as: Tripedia product insert states:
“Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS [Sudden Infant Death Syndrome], anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea.” [8] (emphasis mine).
SIDS is most likely to occur between 2 and 4 months of age. [9] DTaP is given at 2,4, and 6 months. [6]
REFERENCES:
6• http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/child-adolescent.html#printable
8• http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf
9• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002533/

Vacc if you want to but know the risks.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Tess Mitchell

There is a very big difference between reported adverse events and verified adverse events. And most likely you left out the most important part of that statement where it said the instances of these reports were so rare that there was not any way to directly link it to the vaccine. Basically that means they can't say it did or didn't happen but still need to let people know that other people reported this on very rare occasions. You really should learn to take in all the information on the...

There is a very big difference between reported adverse events and verified adverse events. And most likely you left out the most important part of that statement where it said the instances of these reports were so rare that there was not any way to directly link it to the vaccine. Basically that means they can't say it did or didn't happen but still need to let people know that other people reported this on very rare occasions. You really should learn to take in all the information on the VIS because it is all relevant information. Cherry picking tidbits that suit you is a little immature, I feel.

Kate Tully
Kate Tully
  • Tess Mitchell

If vaccines are safe then why has the US government paid out nearly $2 billion in vaccine damages claims that have been proven in court?

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Tess Mitchell

You forgot the rest of that paragraph:
"Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine."

They're not *listed as serious adverse reactions*, they're listed because the manufacturer is trying to disclose every serious event that every...

You forgot the rest of that paragraph:
"Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine."

They're not *listed as serious adverse reactions*, they're listed because the manufacturer is trying to disclose every serious event that every random person has reported.

The Tripedia insert also lists the reported rate of SIDS during the US safety study as 0.8/1,000, while the rate in the general population was 1.5/1,000.

To demonstrate how unreliable self-reported vaccine-related adverse events are: in Victoria, Australia, over a 3-year period:
"Three deaths were reported following vaccination. The deaths were due to ovarian cancer, sudden infant death syndrome and a car accident."
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/content/cda-cdi3504d.htm

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Tess Mitchell

(Sorry Lara, your reply didn't show up for ages, definitely not before I posted my reply a few hours later.)

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Tess Mitchell

No worries. There seems to be some kind of filter for comments. It it's over a certain length or something, it goes into 'comment purgatory' for like 12 hours or something. A little irritating to say the least.

Malcom Fairleigh
Malcom Fairleigh
  • Tess Mitchell

its like .. I had breakfast and then I fell over.. having breakfast causes falling over. side effects of breakfast .. falling over has been reported to follow breakfast

Andrew Nicholls
Andrew Nicholls
  • Tess Mitchell

Erwin: of course they happen after the shots. 90+% of babies are vaccinated, therefore in ~90% of the cases of these illnesses in a child, they will have been vaccinated. Most vaccinations are done by about 18 months, and you can't reliably diagnose autism until 24 months. The only way to see if there is a higher prevalence of autism in vaccinated children is to compare the rates versus the non vaccinated children, not by silly anecdotal evidence like "my baby was vaccinated then got autism", and those studies show that there is NO LINK.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler

I am not yet decided, I would choose one of the last 3 options. We do not get all of the facts, as much information is no longer shared with the public, media being in cooperation with Pharma and profits, plus there is an inundation of non-confirmed information on the internet, some true and much false. How can we make an educated decision? My beliefs are based on the current performance and abuse of Pharma and the medical industry as a whole as well as the history of epidemics.

Everyone...

I am not yet decided, I would choose one of the last 3 options. We do not get all of the facts, as much information is no longer shared with the public, media being in cooperation with Pharma and profits, plus there is an inundation of non-confirmed information on the internet, some true and much false. How can we make an educated decision? My beliefs are based on the current performance and abuse of Pharma and the medical industry as a whole as well as the history of epidemics.

Everyone knows that food, behavior and lifestyle have the greatest influence on our overall health and yet pills, pills and more pills are pushed every doctor visit with little discussion of what one is doing to cause their own suffering, profit being the main goal.

I was pregnant when the whole swine flu terrorism happened, OMG it's so bad, everyone in a doctors office is pushed to get it, then oh, actually it was not even as bad as the regular flu, sorry to have told you your baby could DIE if you don't do it. Sorry for preying on a first time new mother's natural fears.

I had chosen to have my daughter on a delayed schedule, she was only 12 percent weight of national average and all vaccines are the same, there are no individualized doses. We were on schedule, until the last visit, where the nurse took it upon herself to "catch her up" without consulting me. She was given two rounds, two visits worth of vaccines at once. When I complained, I was told that it was an acceptable amount of vaccines to give at one time. Thank goodness my daughter is fine.

I mostly blame myself for not being more knowledgeable and not micro-managing the situation. Didn't think it was necessary because who in their right mind would opt to give additional vaccines without consulting the parent first?

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Terry, I don't know where you're getting your information from *now*, but it's wrong. The H1N1 flu was most dangerous to pregnant women-- generally, flu is most dangerous to the very young and immunocompromised and the elderly, but a full third of H1N1s victims were pregnant women. Hundreds of pregnant women died from it in this country. The advice you were given to get the vaccine was absolutely correct.

Body weight does not matter for vaccines. The vaccine dose for an infant and an...

Terry, I don't know where you're getting your information from *now*, but it's wrong. The H1N1 flu was most dangerous to pregnant women-- generally, flu is most dangerous to the very young and immunocompromised and the elderly, but a full third of H1N1s victims were pregnant women. Hundreds of pregnant women died from it in this country. The advice you were given to get the vaccine was absolutely correct.

Body weight does not matter for vaccines. The vaccine dose for an infant and an adult is the same. Body weight does not affect the strength of the immune response, and the amount of antigens in vaccines is already so tiny that it simply *cannot* be made smaller.

And the CDC schedule is based on everyone's best knowledge. The only thing you do by delaying vaccination is prolong the period in which your daughter is vulnerable to disease. And the more unvaccinated kids there are out there, the more possible vectors for disease there are. Most places have already dipped well below the level of herd immunity. And here is where your daughter being underweight IS dangerous, because if she actually catches one of the diseases, she may not have the resources to fight off a full-blown infection without danger.

Doctors and nurses are not evil. They don't like seeing kids die, or end up in hospital. It's actually pretty important that you listen to the people who have a career in pediatric practice, not scaremongering on the internet, much of which IS inaccurate.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

We have a good doctor, thanks for that clarification. I didn't say my daughter is underweight. She is absolutely perfect. Considering about %50 of children are obese in the US, only puts my kid at a lower percentile while being perfectly healthy. Having been breastfed for the first two years and never having to rely on formula or cows milk as the #1 nutritional source; gives her, quite noticeably, a greater resistance to illness and much shorter term of illness as her peers.

Other...

We have a good doctor, thanks for that clarification. I didn't say my daughter is underweight. She is absolutely perfect. Considering about %50 of children are obese in the US, only puts my kid at a lower percentile while being perfectly healthy. Having been breastfed for the first two years and never having to rely on formula or cows milk as the #1 nutritional source; gives her, quite noticeably, a greater resistance to illness and much shorter term of illness as her peers.

Other ingredients in the vaccines may be controversial as to whether they are good for us at any amount.

100 women in the US were hospitalized from the second strain of H1N1. About 1/3 died.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Terry Kendall Schnitzler I'm in the UK. Having said that, I exaggerated -- unintentionally; I was confusing UK with European statistics.

For a little bit of perspective, the 1918 Spanish flu which killed more people than WWI, had a mortality rate in childbearing women who were hospitalised with it of between 30-70%; and this was in the days before sterile wards and antibiotics, where you would have expected a much higher death rate than now. The overall mortality rate across the...

Terry Kendall Schnitzler I'm in the UK. Having said that, I exaggerated -- unintentionally; I was confusing UK with European statistics.

For a little bit of perspective, the 1918 Spanish flu which killed more people than WWI, had a mortality rate in childbearing women who were hospitalised with it of between 30-70%; and this was in the days before sterile wards and antibiotics, where you would have expected a much higher death rate than now. The overall mortality rate across the population of the 1918 flu was 2.5%; the mortality rate profile for H1N1 was frighteningly similar in confirmed cases. As well, by 2009 people knew it put pregnant women at 5x the risk of either stillbirth or their babies dying between 24 weeks gestation-1 week after birth. That's not trivial. Yes, your baby COULD die if you got it. When people told you to get the vaccine, they were not "preying on your fears", they were going by the best information to keep you and your baby safe, not knowing what speed the flu was spreading at, or if you were going to be exposed. The "not as bad as regular flu"? That part wasn't so much real.

I understand now that you weren't saying that your daughter was underweight. Sorry about the misinterpretation. Do you get what I'm saying, though, about the fact that vaccines are not computed on body weight for a reason? Infants mount an immune response in pretty much the same way that adults do, and that's all the vaccine is there to do, to provoke an immune response. Vaccines are not drugs, that interact with metabolism.

And while breastmilk absolutely helps protect your infant, it can only confer immunity against things that you yourself have an immune response to. If you had not had either the flu or vaccine, then both you and your infant would be vulnerable. With the vaccine, your infant shares the protection.

As for the "other ingredients" that anti-vaccinationists love to scare people with:
1. Some are genuinely not even in the shots. ("antifreeze", for example, is one thing frequently claimed.)
2. Many are already in your body, because they are actually produced by your own metabolism already -- for example, glycine and formaldehyde. You and your daughter both have and amount of these in you, produced by your own cells, at least four orders of magnitude larger than what you get in a vaccine jab.
3. Many things are already in you because they are ubiquitous in food, liquid, and the environment -- for example, aluminum. Aluminum is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust, none of us is free of it. Besides which, and importantly: in vaccines, the aluminum is given in the form of aluminum salts, a compound which has as much in common with elemental aluminum as table salt has with chlorine gas. It provokes a localised pain and swelling -- on purpose, because otherwise vaccines have so little antigen in them that the body clears them away without ever bothering to gear up an immune response -- but the aluminum salts are not integrated into cells, and are cleared by the body within a few days.
4. And finally, many of the scary-scary substances are harmful, but only in amounts MUCH larger than you're getting. That's not guesswork. Dose-response curves are an important basic concept in medicine, they are part of all the calculations of what goes into shots.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert

So many people are so quick to say "do your research", but I'll bet not one of you knows the difference between qualitative and quantitative research, at least not without Googling it first... case in point.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Martin Bouckaert

Nothing wrong with qualitative research... as long as it's accurate.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

and applied to the correct field of study. determining if an investigation into side effects is necessary is for qualitative research, hence VAERS. the investigation itself is for quantitative research.

Linda Shooting Staar Ross
Linda Shooting Staar Ross
  • Martin Bouckaert

Are you a shiller Martin? Someone paid to spread misinformation?

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves

We know that everything contained in a Vaccine is nothing but a foreign body within the blood stream and that would naturally cause an immune response a cocktail of poison, Thiomersal (Mercury) in vaccines like many other vaccine ingredients do cause neurological disorders and physical disabilities. Get the vaccine and you carry the disease, the virus will grow within the body, when Thiomersal etc destroy the immune system. Multiple vaccines and the weight difference in a 4lb baby compared...

We know that everything contained in a Vaccine is nothing but a foreign body within the blood stream and that would naturally cause an immune response a cocktail of poison, Thiomersal (Mercury) in vaccines like many other vaccine ingredients do cause neurological disorders and physical disabilities. Get the vaccine and you carry the disease, the virus will grow within the body, when Thiomersal etc destroy the immune system. Multiple vaccines and the weight difference in a 4lb baby compared to a 150lb man does show how corrupt the vaccine industry is regardless of any health concerns. The truth will always be right and you can cover it up but it will always be there. Vaccines do contain nanoparticles and that in it self will cause autoimmune disorders and autoimmune disease. Anything said about vaccines by the corrupt health service the truth is known to be the opposite and one day all them involved in crimes of vaccine poisoning will be held responsible and pay for the crimes of genocide and causing harm. Vaccine Scientists of today are the big criminals and all who defend them, you claim you have done your research and that prevents your defense in a court. Mercury is harmful and deadly.The cause of Autism is not fully understood because of the corruption existing in that vaccinated children do suffer the condition shortly after the shots and who knows the true effects of aluminum and Mercury in multiple vaccines. to single out Autism and mercury is simply a distraction from the truth that vaccines to harm and kill. A prolonged antibody responses shows that there is are foreign bodies present and that does not mean protection from vaccines just the opposite is happening. Lies,lies and more lies is the political pharmaceutical response on vaccines, depopulation is the aim. There is not one safe vaccine, no vaccine is necessary and they are not effective in any way but to harm. Propaganda and vaccines are killing more and more and harming too.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

You just ignore everything that resembles logic, don't you? It's really sad how much you think you know about vaccines, and yet actually know absolutely nothing. The weight of a person has nothing to do with the capabilities of their immune system. Vaccines save lives. You can deny it all you like, but there is no grand conspiracy. There is no vaccine crime except that committed by people who neglect to provide the available protection from diseases to their children. You are terribly...

You just ignore everything that resembles logic, don't you? It's really sad how much you think you know about vaccines, and yet actually know absolutely nothing. The weight of a person has nothing to do with the capabilities of their immune system. Vaccines save lives. You can deny it all you like, but there is no grand conspiracy. There is no vaccine crime except that committed by people who neglect to provide the available protection from diseases to their children. You are terribly deluded to believe the way you do, and your children will suffer for it. I pity them - and hope the consequences of your decisions teach you something one day.

Stephanie Marie
Stephanie Marie
  • Alan James Greaves

Children will suffer from not getting vaccines? First off being in a natural state is not suffering. My sons's had all their vaccines they were SICK with infections (ears, sinus, throat, respirator and stomach) constantly Constantly my second son lost all his language, lost eye contact and became autistic. My oldest has ADHD. I have never vaccinated my daughter and she's been sick with a fever 4xs in her entire life. The boys were sick with fever over 4xs in the first 6 months of life.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Alan James Greaves

Stephanie, all this is coincidental and anecdotal. Vaccines did not cause these things to happen to your children. You have two boys, one with autism, one with ADHD and a daughter, but you don't tell us what her disability is, nor do you say she doesn't have one. You are making wildly ridiculous claims and trying to prove something that large epidemiological scientific studies have disproved multiple times, with your three children. Your personal experience isn't enough to counter decades of...

Stephanie, all this is coincidental and anecdotal. Vaccines did not cause these things to happen to your children. You have two boys, one with autism, one with ADHD and a daughter, but you don't tell us what her disability is, nor do you say she doesn't have one. You are making wildly ridiculous claims and trying to prove something that large epidemiological scientific studies have disproved multiple times, with your three children. Your personal experience isn't enough to counter decades of large population studies that tell us otherwise. You are not a scientist, medical professional, and clearly have no understanding of how the immune system and vaccinations work if you can come here and make these claims that have been refuted by science multiple times.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz

Lora?

RESEARCH

Hidden CDC Data Confirms Vaccine-Autism Link.

tinyurl.com/4akfmd

A newly published study in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences,[1] the official journal of the Worl d Federation of Neurology,[2] links mercury from the Thimerosal in vaccines with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

This study represents six years worth of effort by independent researchers to gain access to hidden US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data in the Vaccine Safety...

Lora?

RESEARCH

Hidden CDC Data Confirms Vaccine-Autism Link.

tinyurl.com/4akfmd

A newly published study in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences,[1] the official journal of the Worl d Federation of Neurology,[2] links mercury from the Thimerosal in vaccines with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

This study represents six years worth of effort by independent researchers to gain access to hidden US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data in the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). In 2003, the Government Reform Committee of the US House of Representatives asserted, “(a)ccess by independent researchers to the Vaccine Safety Datalink database is needed for independent replication and validation of CDC studies regarding exposure of infants to mercury-containing vaccines and autism."

Nonetheless, this new analysis of some of the data in the carefully guarded VSD database, documenting the mercury poisoning of a generation of American children, would never have been possible without the intervention of Congressional leaders, parent autism advocacy groups, and legal experts. Ironically, only a few independent researchers have gained even this limited level of restricted access to the VSD database, despite the fact that the VSD Project is funded by hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.

The new study, led by Dr. Heather Young, Ph.D., a professor of epidemiology at the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services, examined the CDC-supplied medical vaccination records from the VSD of 278,624 children, born from 1990 through 1996.

This study calculated the average mercury exposure children incurred from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines, by year of birth, during their first year of life. After calculating average mercury exposure by year of birth, the study then estimated the prevalence rates of various medical diagnoses for children born in each of the years examined.

The prevalence rate of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders correlated with the average mercury exposure children received: increasing/decreasing levels of mercury exposure from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines resulted in corresponding trends in prevalence rates of these diagnoses. By contrast, medical outcomes presumed to be unrelated to mercury exposure did not correlate with the average levels of mercury exposure from routine childhood Thimerosal-containing vaccines.

Depending upon the specific neurodevelopmental disorder examined (autism, autism spectrum disorder, tics, emotional disturbance, attention deficit disorder-hyperactivity disorder, and developmental/learning disorder), the observed overall risk of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders was significantly higher (about 2- to 6- fold) following an additional 100 micrograms of mercury exposure. For autism alone, the overall risk was about 2.5-fold higher following an additional 100 micrograms of mercury exposure.

These results demonstrate that the suspicions of those serving on the Government Reform Committee were correct: “…(t)o date, studies conducted or funded by the CDC that purportedly dispute any correlation between autism and vaccine injury have been of poor design, under-powered, and fatally flawed. The CDC’s rush to support and promote such research is reflective of a philosophical conflict in looking fairly at emerging theories and clinical data related to adverse reactions from vaccinations."

To financially support further research conducted by independent investigators in the VSD, please use the PayPal link on CoMeD’s website, http://www.mercury-freedrugs.org, for your tax-deductible contributions. CoMeD, Inc. is a not-for-profit 501(c)(3) corporation actively engaged in legal, educational and scientific efforts to stop all use of mercury in medicine, and to ban the use of all mercury-containing medicines.

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Mindy Utz

I've now spelled it out for you. THE CDC ADMISSION. Get your head out of the sand and start paying attention to EVERYTHING...not just the parts you feel are important to push your agenda.

Maria Ortasic
Maria Ortasic
  • Mindy Utz

Mindy...u still argueing with those crackheads about how they THINK vaccines don't cause autism? Smh apprently they don't have children...

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert

Apparently, Erwin Alber is commenting here, but I can't see it... it's a shame, really, I was looking forward to having a laugh. I will come back later and see if it has updated.

Jared Hyames
Jared Hyames
  • Martin Bouckaert

true.. I see that name pop up too... Can't see any posts.. Just as well.. There is enough crap here without his nonsense too.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Martin Bouckaert

I haven't banned him on this action. I probably banned him on another action and he's stayed banned. I really don't know how these comments work.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Martin Bouckaert

The only thing toxic in here is your psychotic projection, "Pauline Zender". Nearly everyone else is playing quite nicely, for the most part. You're just expatiating disingenuous diatribe like a regular belligerent undesirable anti-vax nutcase.

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