Cathy Perger
Cathy Perger

I think Flu shots compromise the bodys natural ability to fight infection. The only time I think they should be administred is to children and older people with extreme health issues. The Goverment always says the stuff they want us to pump in our bodies is safe, don't believe it! Let the body do what is was designed to do without intervention from Government and Scientists.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Cathy Perger

Cathy, I can see you wanting to believe in the effectiveness of vaccines, if you think the most vulnerable people should get them! :)

Jared Hoohar
Jared Hoohar
  • Cathy Perger

I imagine if you get sick you'll be asking scientists and medical staff to look after you.. If we went back to times where the body did what it did without intervention, the life expectancy was less than 50 years.. and a lot of children died in the first 6 years of life..

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne

Really weird. I've posted at least three comments in replies to other people and they aren't showing up. Am I being blocked for some reason?

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Lara Lohne

same, frustrating, think the site is just playing up??

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Lara Lohne

It's this site. Yesterday I got a couple of fb notifications for replies, but they weren't showing up. Then I got the notifications again today and i could see them.

Kevin Murray
Kevin Murray

can any one get it what age do u have to be.

Gabi Brindle
Gabi Brindle
  • Kevin Murray

They give you a vit K shot the minute you come out of the womb!

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Kevin Murray

Err.... Vitamin K isn't a vaccine.

Everyone thinks they know enough to make a conclusion that is completely contrary to that determined by scientific evidence, but even when one of you says something SO stupid that is so easily discredited, there isn't one anti-vaccinationist that stops to say, "hey, if I was wrong about that.... what else might I be wrong about."

You dig your own grave, that your prerogative. Dig your childrens', too, if you must, but I swear on my own grave that people...

Err.... Vitamin K isn't a vaccine.

Everyone thinks they know enough to make a conclusion that is completely contrary to that determined by scientific evidence, but even when one of you says something SO stupid that is so easily discredited, there isn't one anti-vaccinationist that stops to say, "hey, if I was wrong about that.... what else might I be wrong about."

You dig your own grave, that your prerogative. Dig your childrens', too, if you must, but I swear on my own grave that people will rue the day they refused vaccines, and I will have no sympathy for them.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler

The problem is, there is too much profit associated with vaccines. Behavior is far greater importance when it comes to HIV or HPV. Why the vaccine? The Pharma industry is capitalizing on fear and making designer vaccines, fueling fear and selling like hotcakes. The only child I have know to have whooping cough had already had the vaccine.
Knowing anything about how organisms like flu viruses work, there may be some benefit from the vaccine to the individual but logic says there is an...

The problem is, there is too much profit associated with vaccines. Behavior is far greater importance when it comes to HIV or HPV. Why the vaccine? The Pharma industry is capitalizing on fear and making designer vaccines, fueling fear and selling like hotcakes. The only child I have know to have whooping cough had already had the vaccine.
Knowing anything about how organisms like flu viruses work, there may be some benefit from the vaccine to the individual but logic says there is an element of forcing mutation which effects the whole of society.

Certainly there are illnesses that have been wiped out, thank you vaccines, education and hygeine, BUT the process of vaccination is one that should not be overplayed like anti-biotics, the over-use hurts everyone as we push these organisms to more quickly evolve until, like a ticking time bomb, we have a new series of resistant killers like Staph.

No longer is Pharma answering the call of need, but greed. Just look at how pills are pushed as the answer to every insecurity or ailment when really it is lifestyle and often a shift in trends. Sedating our elderly, sedating our children, sedating and who knows what else, the armed forced.

We already have serious problems due to the overuse of anti-biotics, antibacterials etc. we cannot afford to let Pharma run wild trying to sell us every vaccine of which they can make.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Vaccines are the lowest profit item in the pharmaceutical stable, far lower profit than antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, and all the drugs needed to manage serious illness. They are also the most intensively monitored of any medical intervention on the market. If "Big Pharma" were only and solely in it for the profit, their best bet would be to drop the vaccines and let the diseases take hold again.

And unlike antibiotics, vaccines cannot be overused. That's not how they work. They...

Vaccines are the lowest profit item in the pharmaceutical stable, far lower profit than antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, and all the drugs needed to manage serious illness. They are also the most intensively monitored of any medical intervention on the market. If "Big Pharma" were only and solely in it for the profit, their best bet would be to drop the vaccines and let the diseases take hold again.

And unlike antibiotics, vaccines cannot be overused. That's not how they work. They prevent transmission, they enable the body's own immune system to wipe out an infection before it takes hold -- mutation only happens after an infection, when the pathogen is replicating! Before a pathogen begins to replicate in the body, there is little chance of mutation. If replication is cut short, there is less chance of mutation than if the disease gets going. In fact, this is how vaccination cuts down on opportunities for disease mutation.

Flu only mutates every year because it is in constant circulation through people and animals it has infected; replication in an active infection is what gives it the chance to mutate.

It's important to understand how this works; if you don't understand why what I've just said is true, say so, I'll have a better stab at explaining.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

You are so very sure of yourself, must be comforting. I understand what you are saying but there is more to it. Thank you for your information. I don't think it's wrong, but incomplete.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

It's not about being sure of ourselves. It's about logic - very simple logic. How did these companies get so big in the first place if they're dodgy? Why do they care so much about vaccines in particular when most of their profits come from cosmetics? Why would they make something that they knew did more harm than good - the risk to their profits as a whole, including their cosmetic products, via reputation is too high. Ever use shampoo? Toothpaste? Hair product of any kind? All made by "big...

It's not about being sure of ourselves. It's about logic - very simple logic. How did these companies get so big in the first place if they're dodgy? Why do they care so much about vaccines in particular when most of their profits come from cosmetics? Why would they make something that they knew did more harm than good - the risk to their profits as a whole, including their cosmetic products, via reputation is too high. Ever use shampoo? Toothpaste? Hair product of any kind? All made by "big Pharma". And I don't think I need to get a financial report out to demonstrate why they would be higher-selling products than vaccines. Not to mention the billions that go into vaccines that never get passed trials and never enter circulation because they are, actually, useless or too dangerous.

Simple answer - they don't get that big by being stupid, and they don't stay that big by being stupid, and their is no big pharma conspiracy where they are wilfully endangering health in the name of profit. There are easier ways to make big bucks, and they've all been doing it for decades - cosmetics.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Terry, I study molecular biology. Knowing the basics of how pathogens replicate is kind of important. I'm curious as to what "more to it" there is that you think I'm missing about this science, and what your source of knowledge is.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

to study is not to be an expert. please remember that.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

"Not studying it" doesn't make you an expert either -- please remember that.

And, having studied something for real: "reading things on the internet" isn't studying. Unless you have the background and basics to enable you to tell the difference between good information and bad, and understand the whys and hows of how physiology works at a level which gives you a reasonable chance to judge plausibility, then reading on the internet is far more likely just to drown you in pseudoscience...

"Not studying it" doesn't make you an expert either -- please remember that.

And, having studied something for real: "reading things on the internet" isn't studying. Unless you have the background and basics to enable you to tell the difference between good information and bad, and understand the whys and hows of how physiology works at a level which gives you a reasonable chance to judge plausibility, then reading on the internet is far more likely just to drown you in pseudoscience and bad info. The noise:signal ratio on the internet in general is appalling. That's why a formal education in something, where you are taught mechanism and how things hang together, is just so damn useful.

No, what I'm learning is still sort of the basics. But it's the basics at a way different level.

Alan James Greaves
Alan James Greaves

Vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2B in damages to parents in America whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs such as the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) or DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus). In all, around 2,000 families have received compensation payments that have averaged $850,000 each. There are a further 700 claims that are going through the pipeline. None of the claims is for autism as medical researchers say they have failed to find a link between the disease...

Vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2B in damages to parents in America whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs such as the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) or DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus). In all, around 2,000 families have received compensation payments that have averaged $850,000 each. There are a further 700 claims that are going through the pipeline. None of the claims is for autism as medical researchers say they have failed to find a link between the disease and the MMR vaccine, despite the initial findings made by Dr Andrew Wakefield. Instead they are for a wide spectrum of physical and mental conditions that are likely to have been caused by one of the vaccinations. Around 7,000 parents have filed a claim of an adverse reaction with America's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). To win an award, the claimant must prove a causal link to a vaccine. As the medical establishment has refused to recognise any link to autism, the VICP has so far rejected 300 claims for this outright. (Source: New England Journal of Medicine)Medicine.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Alan James Greaves

Considering that since the advent of the vaccine court in the 1980s, billions of people have been vaccinated through the years, around 2000 people being damaged and given compensation is actually pretty good odds all things considered. No, I am not saying that these people are 'justifiable losses' just pointing out that vaccine reaction and injury isn't as wide spread as anti-vaccine groups try and tell us. By the way Alan James Greaves, spamming the comments doesn't help make you look like...

Considering that since the advent of the vaccine court in the 1980s, billions of people have been vaccinated through the years, around 2000 people being damaged and given compensation is actually pretty good odds all things considered. No, I am not saying that these people are 'justifiable losses' just pointing out that vaccine reaction and injury isn't as wide spread as anti-vaccine groups try and tell us. By the way Alan James Greaves, spamming the comments doesn't help make you look like a rational, well informed individual. It makes you look pushy, manipulative and controlling. Those tactics have never shown positive results when attempting to persuade people of something. It is just off putting.

Stephanie Scoyne
Stephanie Scoyne
  • Alan James Greaves

People should realize the battle you have when your child is injured by a vaccination. You are told by the medical profession that the problems your child experienced after a vaccine is NORMAL over and over again. Then we you get over that hurdle of knowing it was not a normal thing you have only 3 YEARS after the date of first symptom of injury. With neurological problems it can take way longer then 3 years to get a diagnosis. It took 5 years for me to get my sons official diagnosis.

Lara Lohne
Lara Lohne
  • Alan James Greaves

If your son's official diagnosis is an ASD, he didn't get it from a vaccine, that was predetermined prior to birth. Vaccines have nothing to do with it.

Stephanie Scoyne
Stephanie Scoyne
  • Alan James Greaves

You have no clue one what you are talking about. My son was normal, happy, healthy, speaking, engaged toddler then he had tripedia after tripedia he became sick with infections after infection that normal oral antibiotics wouldnt get rid of. Before dtap normal healthy. The day of Dtap sick and lost all communication skills, words, eye contact everything. And who gets an official diagnosis of ASD? Thats the the umbrella the spectrum falls under.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

It seems you think that because it happened immediately after the vaccine, it was caused by the vaccine.

Did you know that immediately after the attack on the WTC, I lost my job? Should I blame the loss of my job on 9/11? It had nothing to do with it. And vaccines have nothing to do with autism.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Alan James Greaves

No, it doesn't. It's a correlation. One thing that happened after the other, and I used something so obvious to demonstrate how correlation does not equal causation. That is, vaccines do NOT cause autism just because autism occurs around the same time. If you cannot see how that analogy works just fine to demonstrate that case, then you probably need to think about it a little harder. That, or you're choosing not to, but the opinion of how silly something is coming from someone with an obvious bias cannot be taken seriously.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein

I've left the poll pretty much alone. I haven't eliminated any comments. I've even broken my own rule that anyone who chooses to use the word "sheeple" has nothing to say and should be immediately banned. But I'm beginning to think this entire action has by hijacked by various antivax groups. 45% voting for never ever is ridiculous. I'm considering deleting this entire poll, or starting to be a more active moderator. Thoughts?

Jared Hoohar
Jared Hoohar
  • Daniel Weinstein

while i do enjoy the debates...It is up to you..
Like the comments sections of youtube videos... The vocal minority is here... and they have come with all their usual suspects of misinformation..

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Daniel Weinstein

don't delete it. polls prove nothing, they are not science. online opinion polls can also be fooled by hackers, and the "sample population" privy to the poll may be influenced by any number of people.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Daniel Weinstein

Sue Dick I try to follow the comments and the level of unpleasantness seems to be increasing. I don't care if antivaxxers break the poll, but I don't want the level of debate to descend too far into name calling. The Immunisation Initiative is about promoting vaccination and awareness of vaccination in our communities. It's not designed to be a debating society for antivaxxers.

Suzy Que
Suzy Que
  • Daniel Weinstein

Did you remove my post Daniel?

Mindy Utz
Mindy Utz
  • Daniel Weinstein

So just because you aren't receiving the answers that coincide with your own beliefs...you silence it and hide it? I am not an "anti-vaxxer" nor was I brought here by any group or asked to do so. I came here on my own free will. I am not "pro-vaccines" nor am I "anti-vaccine"...I am "pro-cleaner vaccines...but until they are cleaned up...I don't want them touching my child ever again. My son was developing normally, walked at 9 months...he was running at 10 months, talked early, etc. He was...

So just because you aren't receiving the answers that coincide with your own beliefs...you silence it and hide it? I am not an "anti-vaxxer" nor was I brought here by any group or asked to do so. I came here on my own free will. I am not "pro-vaccines" nor am I "anti-vaccine"...I am "pro-cleaner vaccines...but until they are cleaned up...I don't want them touching my child ever again. My son was developing normally, walked at 9 months...he was running at 10 months, talked early, etc. He was not only given MMR vaccine at the time he became violently ill, but he had even been given TOO many MMR shots. One was not written down by the nurse at the time all his other shots were given. She said he needed another one so the date could be filled in. I told her I knew he had received it the day marked as all the others. She said she could not do that but he still needed another one. I specifically asked her if an extra one would harm him. The answer I was given, "No. Not at all". This was before anything about vaccines/autism was ever brought up. If you delete your poll, you are becoming part of the problem...just like our government, CDC, FDA, and Big Pharma...sweeping the REAL problem under the rug. If you can not see it, it doesn't exist.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Daniel Weinstein

Suzy Que I haven't removed any posts whatsoever from this poll. If you read you'll find plenty of silly, offensive and dumb things being said. If I was going to start deleting they mostly be gone by now.

Lauren Stone
Lauren Stone

We do not vaccinate, Period. Vaccines are ineffective at best and deadly dangerous at worst.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

and that's why millions of people are alive today and fully vaccinated, and all those diseases that used to be so common are now in a decline. do you lot just ignore the concept of logic entirely, or simply have no grasp of it? /derp

Jared Hoohar
Jared Hoohar
  • Lauren Stone

that is the 'death' rate... Look at the 'incidence' rate.. Drops off right around the vaccine introduction..
The reason these 'death' graphs look so good to anti-vaccine webpages is that they mislead the reader.... 'Death' rates of people with the disease declined because medical treatment was improving, meaning the risk of death when you had caught the disease was reduced. Anti-vax sites don't like to show the 'incidence' graphs because the number of people catching the disease fell away to almost 0 after vaccines are introduced..

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

Christopher Panzer indeed, mortality from those diseases was in decline. incidences, however, were not. incidences of diseases did not decline in a substantial manner until after the vaccine was introduced. and as long as there are incidences, then the diseases are allowed to continue to incubate and threaten people's lives

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

and please, a homeopath claiming to be an expert of any kind on "advanced medicine"... that is a joke, right?

Lauren Stone
Lauren Stone
  • Lauren Stone

Good hygiene and sanitation has done more to improve people's health and cut down on disease than any vaccine ever has.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Lauren Stone

No, it only went so far as to reduce mortality. Vaccines have reduced incidence, and can do so to the point where vaccine preventable diseases can be wiped out entirely.

Don Carter
Don Carter

Please Parents,

Make sure you have your doctor or health care provider administer the recommended vaccines to your children. The recommended schedule is posted by the CDC. Children more than adults are in larger groups of individual people at schools and at public places. Vaccines for children are approved by all major health care providers. You take more risk by not having your children vaccinated according to recommend schedules than you can absolutely know.

Mistie Delorey
Mistie Delorey
  • Don Carter

That depends on the child Don Carter.

Lori Harvey
Lori Harvey
  • Don Carter

You want to vaccinate your kids & take chances with the toxins go right ahead BUT don't tell me what to do with my kids. Neither one of my kids have had their vaccines & they are healthier than their counter parts in school.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Don Carter

Are you privy to the private medical records of the kids at school to confirm this assertion? Perhaps such a comparison is beyond your current knowledge base, and you should reconsider what you think you know. On that matter, I'm sure you're about to tell me you've "done your research," as we all have, but I would wonder how much you've analysed that research. All research requires critical analysis and synthesis in order to form a truly informed opinion.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Don Carter

Martin Bouckaert : Out of curiosity, do you also agree with the over-medicating of our youth for supposed behavior issues etc? ADD ADHD ASD

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Don Carter

I don't agree with overmedicating anyone. However, determining if someone is being "overmedicated" is a matter for professionals to determine. For example, if you feel a child from another family, for example, is "overmedicated", but you are not professionally qualified to determine so, then for one thing it's none of your business whatsoever, and for another, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Don Carter

that's exactly how they want you to think. Congrats you're a grad A student.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Don't waste your time here. People just belittling anyone who doesn't agree with them. Well educated idiots.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

You interpret being contradicted with being belittled. It's no wonder you have no interest in learning anything -- and yes, that IS belittling you, but to be fair, it is based on actual behavior.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

We don't really need to contradict you though, you did that yourself - how can one be well educated AND be an idiot?

If you don't like your claims being criticised, then don't make them - someone is always going to criticise those silly claims you make about vaccines, just like you criticise the vaccines themselves. Would you say you are "belittling" the people you don't agree with? If not, then those are some pretty hefty double standards you have going on there.

Don't be a hypocrite, because that sort of behaviour is worth belittling.

Terry Kendall Schnitzler
Terry Kendall Schnitzler
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

You two are perfect examples; no surprise you don't understand. You are both embarrassing yourselves. If you are so damn right, there be no need to put people down and tell them how stupid they are. Just because you can read and retain some facts does not mean you grasp the larger concepts or you'd be doing something like creating new ground breaking vaccines rather than trolling here trying to prove how high and mighty you are.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Actually, I'm not feeling embarrassed at all.

"Just because you can read and retain some facts does not mean you grasp the larger concepts or you'd be doing something like creating new ground breaking vaccines..."

You mean like the people who have already created groundbreaking vaccines who you reject as "pharma" shills?

Do you grasp the "larger concepts"? What are the "larger concepts" exactly? Please enlighten us.

Otherwise, don't sit there and accuse us of behaviour that we are...

Actually, I'm not feeling embarrassed at all.

"Just because you can read and retain some facts does not mean you grasp the larger concepts or you'd be doing something like creating new ground breaking vaccines..."

You mean like the people who have already created groundbreaking vaccines who you reject as "pharma" shills?

Do you grasp the "larger concepts"? What are the "larger concepts" exactly? Please enlighten us.

Otherwise, don't sit there and accuse us of behaviour that we are subjected to routinely as a result of simply criticising the antivaccine movement. You go and find one post where I've treated someone as beneath me prior to them doing as much to me.

I'm sure people here aren't stupid, but I guarantee you you can be a very smart person and still be completely wrong - it happens to me frequently. But I'm brave enough to admit it when it happens. That's the only difference between our opposing sides of any "debate" over vaccination.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Terry, people like the anti-vaccinationists here (you included) are scaring parents away from one of the most successful health interventions of all time, --based on false information.--

KIDS DIE BECAUSE OF THIS.

That's not speculation: there have been utterly needless and pointless outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles and pertussis, propagating through unvaccinated populations, and children have died. They didn't need to. It was preventable. But they died -- because of...

Terry, people like the anti-vaccinationists here (you included) are scaring parents away from one of the most successful health interventions of all time, --based on false information.--

KIDS DIE BECAUSE OF THIS.

That's not speculation: there have been utterly needless and pointless outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles and pertussis, propagating through unvaccinated populations, and children have died. They didn't need to. It was preventable. But they died -- because of scary-scary misinformation.

I consider it a moral *duty* to speak up to contradict the bullshit and the false information which endangers lives. You don't like it? I don't like the fact that people are pushing bullshit and false information.
You *could* learn something real.
You *could* ensure that your information was correct.
You don't, though. You haven't. And that's your fault. And frankly, I don't give a rat's furry grey behind that you are getting all sniffy on being called on it. The fact that you probably sincerely believe what you are saying, does NOT morally absolve you of responsibility for the fact that you are actively pushing false "information", misinformation which results in harm.

Not unproven, speculative harm, either; not nebulous-conspiracy-theory; but obvious and recorded deaths of children.

...I wasn't belittling you, right up to the point that you decided that presenting information which contradicted you was belittling you. But after that, well, I guess I don't see the need to be polite; it's not as if you're either being polite or even approaching information in good faith. True thing, I really don't care what your opinion of me is, if only you dealt with information in good faith and had a good-faith interest in evidence of how the physical world really works. But it seems that the only interaction that you can possibly tolerate is people agreeing with you or staying silent...and that is not going to happen.

Dianna Donnelly
Dianna Donnelly
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Lynne Batik KIDS DIE BECAUSE OF VACCINES.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

Very, very few do. As opposed to millions who die and have died of the diseases.

I can do math. Can you?

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Terry Kendall Schnitzler

"Don't waste your time here. People just belittling anyone who doesn't agree with them. Well educated idiots."

At first, I thought this was a response to the accusations and insults like: "Please show me evidence of that from a source not paid by big pharma. You're all about evidence. You expect me to believe a nobody like you??????"

Barbara Harding
Barbara Harding

IN YOUR SURVEY I AM SHOCKED THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO DOn't IMMUNISE AND ARE USING THE REST WHO ARE BEING SENSIBLE. IF MORE JOIN THE NO VACCINE GROUP WE WILL BE STEPPING BACK! AND THESE KILLER DISEASES WILL RAISE THEIR HEADS AGAIN!
WE ALL NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES FROM RELIABLE SOURSES NOT GOSSIP OR SCARE MONGERING SITES! GET AN UNBIASED SAFE VIEW AND PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR CHILDREN. IT WILL BEINFIT FUTURE GENERATIONS AS HOPEFULLY WE WILL GRADUALLY ELIMINATE SOME OF THESE DISEASES! IMMUNISATIONS ARE PROTECTIVE!

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Barbara Harding

Bloody hell, Mistie, you only have to go to the Reuters article linked from that page to read:
"[the whooping cough vaccine is effective about half of the time for all kids, and just 24 percent of the time in the eight to 12 year old age group."

Yes, we now know that the whooping cough vaccine wears off more quickly than we'd hope. The older, whole-cell vaccine provided longer-lasting immunity, but it also led to a more acute reaction. Side effects like fever were too common to be...

Bloody hell, Mistie, you only have to go to the Reuters article linked from that page to read:
"[the whooping cough vaccine is effective about half of the time for all kids, and just 24 percent of the time in the eight to 12 year old age group."

Yes, we now know that the whooping cough vaccine wears off more quickly than we'd hope. The older, whole-cell vaccine provided longer-lasting immunity, but it also led to a more acute reaction. Side effects like fever were too common to be acceptable, so scientists developed the acellular vaccine, which is less effective but safer. They're erring on the side of safety.

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Barbara Harding

That article has misrepresented the facts. And the facts are: vaccinated children still contract whooping cough at a lower rate than unvaccinated children, but at a higher rate than they would if the current acellular vaccine was as long-lasting as the older whole-cell vaccine.

The reporting is also pretty atrocious, e.g.: "[GSK] did not bother to perform long-term studies." Did not bother. Who writes that?!

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Barbara Harding

Andrea Leong "Who writes that?!" -- People with no understanding of the topic who are also too lazy or uneducated to look to see whether this is true.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Barbara Harding

Why no; what I am interested in is countering the misinformation that is spread (loudly) by anti-vaccinationists. It actually makes a difference to people's health and to children's safety, and so the nonsense absolutely should not dominate the discourse.

I'm sorry you find that "rude and nasty." I'm more sorry that people get so emotionally invested in what they believe that they get offended at actual physical evidence.

Martin Bouckaert
Martin Bouckaert
  • Barbara Harding

Jennifer, every comment you make is just to accuse people of being rude and nasty.

Do you have anything, anything at all, of intelligence to offer?

Bridie Burke
Bridie Burke
  • Barbara Harding

Why is it that every single time someone doesn't agree with you Ms Power, you call them rude and nasty? No one is being rude or nasty - they are just stating facts, facts which you choose to dismiss.

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