Syed Ghazanfar Agha
Syed Ghazanfar Agha

most people have no idea why the people died! because as usual, we have an opinion without knowing the full truth, and hearsay is good enough for us to launch a witch-hunt with a very strong conviction :( the negligence was of the regulating authorities, who look the other way, nay encourage violations, as they get mioney for it...as for owners, they can either shut the factories or take measures to stop this 'chor' nation from stealing everything that they can get out through the windows...

most people have no idea why the people died! because as usual, we have an opinion without knowing the full truth, and hearsay is good enough for us to launch a witch-hunt with a very strong conviction :( the negligence was of the regulating authorities, who look the other way, nay encourage violations, as they get mioney for it...as for owners, they can either shut the factories or take measures to stop this 'chor' nation from stealing everything that they can get out through the windows etc. there's a reason why EVERY factory is sealed, and owned by very good people, who provide lots of employment, foreign exchange and taxes to society...the reason is our honest nation, who are indignant when they are wronged, but don't think twice before doing soemone else wrong!

Syed Azmat Ali
Syed Azmat Ali
  • Syed Ghazanfar Agha

Ghazanfar, i am sorry but i didn't get it if you were for or against the OWNERS being held primarily responsible for the catastrophe... I for one hold them responsible, primarily, as i do myself for not having a fire [catastrophe] safe home or office or a decent SOP in a similar event... YES, we are all responsible, but those people who do employ so many Pakistanis and who do so for profit [not out of the goodness of their heart], are responsible for their safety and security. If you know...

Ghazanfar, i am sorry but i didn't get it if you were for or against the OWNERS being held primarily responsible for the catastrophe... I for one hold them responsible, primarily, as i do myself for not having a fire [catastrophe] safe home or office or a decent SOP in a similar event... YES, we are all responsible, but those people who do employ so many Pakistanis and who do so for profit [not out of the goodness of their heart], are responsible for their safety and security. If you know some facts first hand that others don't know and knwoing of which would alter most peoples opinion on the matter, then i invite you to share... else it will continue to remain a matter of my opinion versus yours! [Just venting...

Syed Ghazanfar Agha
Syed Ghazanfar Agha
  • Syed Ghazanfar Agha

Azmat, totally understand where you're coming from! just so that you know, i've run a couple of these factories for 5 years. Nobody runs a business for charity, but a lot of people allow social welfaer to become an inherent part of their business, as mucha s they can afford, and often beyond the standard call of duty. Having said that, the Government agencies don't allow you to operate straight, even if you want to, as everyone might start getting ideas! furthermore, the inherent crook in...

Azmat, totally understand where you're coming from! just so that you know, i've run a couple of these factories for 5 years. Nobody runs a business for charity, but a lot of people allow social welfaer to become an inherent part of their business, as mucha s they can afford, and often beyond the standard call of duty. Having said that, the Government agencies don't allow you to operate straight, even if you want to, as everyone might start getting ideas! furthermore, the inherent crook in most of this population forces measures to protect the business, which wouldn't survive too many days, if everyone was freely allowed to walk away with whatever they wanted, from machinery to products. I agree that there need to be better accident protection standards, but the Government has to lead and not put the blame on the enterpreneur, who may have actually been doing a lot of good, but may have not foreseen this situation. Trust me no one wants his business to burn down!! people there or not...

Basit Nasir Ahmed
Basit Nasir Ahmed
  • Syed Ghazanfar Agha

one thing i dont get is generalizing all the factory owners & factories as all being the same as of Ali Enterprises............does anyone realise how the labors always keep the owners hostage; as foreign customers dont come to pakistan due to terrorism threats, it takes a limb for the owner to get orders & that too by being regionally cheap in prices, and the labor then exploits the owners at crucial production times.........does anyone realise the huge amount of labor turnover in EACH...

one thing i dont get is generalizing all the factory owners & factories as all being the same as of Ali Enterprises............does anyone realise how the labors always keep the owners hostage; as foreign customers dont come to pakistan due to terrorism threats, it takes a limb for the owner to get orders & that too by being regionally cheap in prices, and the labor then exploits the owners at crucial production times.........does anyone realise the huge amount of labor turnover in EACH factory as they are never loyal and clearly move on where they get a better buck.........does anyone realise that most of the labor working in facotries earn better per month than many educated graduates working in banks.............does anyone realise that owners pay money for EOBI and SESSI and want the labor to get registered & avail facilities by the govt but the labor does not as they always want the option of moving on to another better paying facility (and that facility is paying better cos they are exploited by the labor they already have).............

Syed Ghazanfar Agha
Syed Ghazanfar Agha
  • Syed Ghazanfar Agha

what do you expect from a nation high on 'ghairat' and low on principles and morals

Kausham Shamim
Kausham Shamim

hum kab tak is tarah kay waqayat par ankhein band rakhein gay. please wake up.mujrimoon ko saza dilana hai ab.no more neglection is accepted.this is human error.

Urooj A Shamim
Urooj A Shamim
  • Kausham Shamim

time to Suo Moto chief justice... period.

Aftab Saeed
Aftab Saeed

What the hell is happening to this country? V r being had. Let us starve but get US out of our hair. 65 years ago, there was no Pakistan. 65 years hence, there may b no Pakistan again. Get hold of the scoundrels and b the country that our founders wanted it to b. Otherwise, v r better w/o it.

Aftab Saeed
Aftab Saeed
  • Aftab Saeed

I was cursing them because when they give $s, it goes to the pockets of the elites but they remain a liability for us poor because v don't get them as grants, like Israel, but as loans. Tens of our coming generations will have to pay back this money while the country burns.

Sunita Khan
Sunita Khan

pray that may their souls rest in peace......

Malik Zafar
Malik Zafar
  • Sunita Khan

ameen

Kalim Irfani
Kalim Irfani

"...more than 300 laborers were blazed in a factory is a result of complete negligence of authorities regarding HSE rules and cruelty of exploiting factory owners, who treat working class as slaves; poor working conditions, work exceeding 16 hours, and closure of gates are only part of the inhuman conditions in factories. The recent incident would have not taken place if there had been proper working conditions and gates wouldn't have been closed.
This is a clear case of mass murder and FIR should be filed under the clauses of mass murder..."

Syed Ghazanfar Agha
Syed Ghazanfar Agha
  • Kalim Irfani

how many factories have you been inside, and how many corrupt government officers have you handled?

Abid Raza
Abid Raza

FIR lodged in casses of Mass Murders and when the murdres are more than one..... we found to history of any workable punishment. The punishment is 1- Owners lost their business and property. 2- All stake holders lke : Civil Defence, Municpal Fire Brigade, Labour Ministry, Inspectors for Electrical & Mechenical laws excution check up. After a period of no more than six month we will end with NO SPECIFIC CLUE to the fire and the SYstem will produce every documented evidence as OK. All paper...

FIR lodged in casses of Mass Murders and when the murdres are more than one..... we found to history of any workable punishment. The punishment is 1- Owners lost their business and property. 2- All stake holders lke : Civil Defence, Municpal Fire Brigade, Labour Ministry, Inspectors for Electrical & Mechenical laws excution check up. After a period of no more than six month we will end with NO SPECIFIC CLUE to the fire and the SYstem will produce every documented evidence as OK. All paper document shall be made available as OK. SO NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE. The flaw lies in the systme : we are not executing ISO9001, ISO 18001, ISO 14001, we are just making the documents and filling the required formats for the fulfilment of standards as defined by our foreign customer so as keep the exports Ok.
Please take this note seriously : this will repeat many times in future if do not comply as written by our selves in the books of Constituion, Lawas and Systems. Follow the rule and get the benefit other wise if you fool the rules , Rules will kill you.

Zulfiqar Dhakan
Zulfiqar Dhakan
  • Abid Raza

The Factory was given clean chit by Auditors of Social Responsibility International

Abid Raza
Abid Raza
  • Abid Raza

The Clean chits has proved an international failures like this one. Dear My questions are still unanswered : Who were the auditors, have they checked the Sysytem of Locking the corrdors which still available in many industries specially to curtail free workers movment , Were the auditors have mentions the Duration of Audit, normally an industry of this size the audit time is 32 working hours which is seldom respected by the all leading Auditors of my lovely country. Normal Auditors days are...

The Clean chits has proved an international failures like this one. Dear My questions are still unanswered : Who were the auditors, have they checked the Sysytem of Locking the corrdors which still available in many industries specially to curtail free workers movment , Were the auditors have mentions the Duration of Audit, normally an industry of this size the audit time is 32 working hours which is seldom respected by the all leading Auditors of my lovely country. Normal Auditors days are Thursday full day and firday and they charge for three days.

Ejaz Mahmood
Ejaz Mahmood

It is painful to see this type and other violence oriented incidents on a day , then the next and again next day--- a serial of things are going.----- What is clear and exposed, hardly , any body, dares to speak about. We speak about the incidents when we see no straight reaction of militants is eminent. Those perpetuating violence and fascism (running the affairs of the city) are being over looked by the bigger authorities. Every power full in higher authorities seems become hostage to...

It is painful to see this type and other violence oriented incidents on a day , then the next and again next day--- a serial of things are going.----- What is clear and exposed, hardly , any body, dares to speak about. We speak about the incidents when we see no straight reaction of militants is eminent. Those perpetuating violence and fascism (running the affairs of the city) are being over looked by the bigger authorities. Every power full in higher authorities seems become hostage to them. ---- They all expect common man to play the role. Those special lords in high offices do not think , they too have a role. They are sitting -eyes closed.

Javed Khan
Javed Khan
  • Ejaz Mahmood

oh so sad

Mohinder Singh
Mohinder Singh
  • Ejaz Mahmood

Ejaz Mehmood sahib,Aap jaldee sehtyaab hoan,mulakaat hogee.aap PIPFP&D kay member tau hain na?

Mumtaz A. Piracha
Mumtaz A. Piracha

I have signed the petition and also invited my friends to sign it.

Mumtaz A. Piracha
Mumtaz A. Piracha
  • Mumtaz A. Piracha

Pervez Said: It is our job to make pen stronger than the sword. Violence against violence doesn't solve issues.

Ejaz Mahmood
Ejaz Mahmood
  • Mumtaz A. Piracha

Mumtaz A. Piracha But we use pen just to use the pen, not to write the truth.

Ayesha Barenblat
Ayesha Barenblat

Does anyone know who the foreign buyers were who were actively placing orders in the factory? Its great that there is a case against the owner but I do think the buyers should also be held accountable to help the victims families?

Dunstan Allison Hope
Dunstan Allison Hope
  • Ayesha Barenblat

I have no idea but I've be wondering exactly the same thing. I've been assuming some investigative journalism will yield the answer?

Farooq Nomani
Farooq Nomani
  • Ayesha Barenblat

Dont understand why and on what grounds there should be a case against the buyers. Its not the buyer's responsibility to ensure the supplier's facilities are safe and secure - from my experience a buyer usually relies on the assurance of the supplier and cant be expected to personally inspect every factory they do business with. Unless ure suggesting that the buyers were aware of the poor safety standards of the factory, I dont see how they can be held complicit.

Ab Rehman
Ab Rehman

I DON NO BUT THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING EXCEPT ANNOUNCING YOUM-E-SOUG. ONLY CHIEF JUSTICE IS THE SIGN OF HOPE.... WE MUST ALL AGREED UPON THE ABOVE DEMANDS. YA ALLAH REHAM......

Naved Farooqui
Naved Farooqui
  • Ab Rehman

sir, kis tarah hamara mulk barbad kiya ja raha kiya bataon kisi shobay main bhe aman nahe koe bhe mukhlis nahe srif us k jis ko koe haram khore ka chance nahe milta.

Ab Rehman
Ab Rehman
  • Ab Rehman

agreed

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