Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for...

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for them. They have the right to demand better wages but when you go and kill other people so that your salary can improve you don't deserve dry bread.

Boudica Mulder Samir
Boudica Mulder Samir
  • Barry Bolton

agreed

Sharon Adele Chick
Sharon Adele Chick
  • Barry Bolton

I agree too. It's sick this mindset of war and violence that pervades our society.

B. Ross Ashley
B. Ross Ashley
  • Barry Bolton

You actually believe the police were fired on first? Cops lie, it's part of the job description.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

B. Ross Ashley There is actual camera footage that shows they fired on the cops first, from a TV station Al Jazeera. I'm curious though what you would have done in their shoes, when an armed mob charges you....

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

I don't have to believe the footage is there

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton
Gavin M Andersson
Gavin M Andersson
  • Barry Bolton

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so...

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so of the 34 dead.
3> what no TV or newspaper reporter saw, since they were kept in one place by the police, is the majority of the workers being killed: running away behind the 'mountain' to another clump of rocks out of sight of the media. these were shot in the back, and now we hear that some were also run over by Nyalas (giant police vehicles)

there can be no justification for murder. those who killed the 10 must be brought to justice. so too those who gave the instruction to shoot down the strilkers. incidentally the latter have just charged almost 300 strikers with the murder of the 34 (not the 10), on the grounds that they somehow organized their death. those charged are randomly picked - wounded and so unable to run, or rounded up immmediately after the shooting.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter...

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter remains:
1) If the followed the legal route
2) If they left their weapons at home
3) If they protested in an orderly manner the police wouldn't even need to be there

NO one would have died that day, so the root cause is and still remain their actions on that day and the days prior. There is a clear video that shows they shot first, after that I'm sorry all bets are off. As for the journalist "behind" the police line... well I promise you this, if they weren't the mob would have killed them too.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the...

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the camera evidence already showed they were fired upon by the miners.
8. Pleas provide us proof of the Nyalas that ran over these people other than hearsay

Allison Cassidy
Allison Cassidy
  • Barry Bolton

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields...

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields of Marikana on dailymaverick.co.za - it poses MANY many good questions and gives a hell of a lot of facts that make one feel rather ill.

Jay Dee
Jay Dee

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and...

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and bone marrow. Hearing damage
Finally, a danger of platinum is that it can cause potentiation of the toxicity of other dangerous chemicals in the human body, such as selenium. Words from my knowledge and dictionary.
All for $690 in month, a shame, as again its the plundering from a few "bosses, mine owners " of many wanting to make a living. A life can not be measured in money.

To South Africa, since the end of the Apartheid era, what? Wait! It has not ended, it has just changed forms or am I wrong? Take a good look. What the white minority done to the majority of blacks has turned around, it is the black majority doing it to the white minority, so an art vengeance. No, that is not all, it is black minority against black majority. Exploitation of a race and color that is the same in minority as majority.
Sad and nauseating.-

Christel Zopick
Christel Zopick
  • Jay Dee

These guys earn R9500.00 a month, and they killed 10 people before the saps did inathing including 2 memebers of the saps and 8 of their own, should they not face the law nw, we all agree the conditions are not ideal, but voilence shouldn't be the answer

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

why single out Australia to take them???????

Jay Dee
Jay Dee
  • Jay Dee

Because Australia is a big land with few inhabitants. These people will help the economy of Australia grow, as many are young or middle aged. I do believe, they would or will do their part, that they are no burden for Australia. With these immigrants from South Africa, Australia can only win.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

Australia has a large yearly intake of immigrants(legal and illegal)..screening of these is very costly and timeconsuming..we DO take them from Africa.A lot of Australia is not suitable for habitation either.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

Nicola, I promise you the people that wants to immigrate to Australia is not the slackers of the country, it is people that wants to work, but because of racist laws that is in place are blocked by the government to do so. I fear for my son in first grade future.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

I was not implying that they were slackers, just pointing out that all hopeful immigrants are screened as closely as possible.When I applied to come to Australia 30 years ago with my family WE had strict rules too.All governments have the right to approve or disapporove who they will let into their country.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Jay Dee

Jay Dee i like the way you think

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

So you are a racist then Angus? or am I misunderstanding here...

Cyn Rich
Cyn Rich
  • Jay Dee

Nicely stated, Jay Dee. Bravo ~~~~~ cyn

Gloria N Crystal Montanez
Gloria N Crystal Montanez
  • Jay Dee

why did the police kill these hard working human being?? please it makes no sense, these officer need to pay for this dearly

Shaheed Mahomed
Shaheed Mahomed

Lonmin should be expropriated and placed under workers control- they and Anglo American should be forced to return all the money they have stolen through tranfer pricing over the years- They should pay each family $1 million compensation.

Alexander Steenberg
Alexander Steenberg
  • Shaheed Mahomed

I think as a South African that every one have the right to Life, Good conditions and Salary.

But this does not excuse people to take the law into their own hands and start to kill people and then cry when they get killed. The famalies of those who died should get compensatoion from the trade unions that stir up violant behaviour in people and by doing so have no regard for the loss of life or damage to property. When people strike and the raises are given the Trade unions also get a raise...

I think as a South African that every one have the right to Life, Good conditions and Salary.

But this does not excuse people to take the law into their own hands and start to kill people and then cry when they get killed. The famalies of those who died should get compensatoion from the trade unions that stir up violant behaviour in people and by doing so have no regard for the loss of life or damage to property. When people strike and the raises are given the Trade unions also get a raise on your hard earned cash. Why must people strugle to make a living to enrich trade unions to have good salaries for them. They only think of their own raise. And they are driving luxury cars while the people supplying them with the luxury lifestile lve in poverty.

I do not agree that a Mine Worker that work under dangerous secumstances should earn less then R18 000 PER MONTH and that they should have at leased a R5 000 000-00 Providend fund paid by the company that will pay out to the families that depend on them to have a future if the person die.

Further in the Photos I have seen there are a huge lack in safety gear control and this should be properly addressed to ensure the well beeing of the workers.

Noryn Ali
Noryn Ali

I don't know why people don't think for others but for their comfort only. very selfish of those who don't care for the people who are dependent on them.

Mehboob Elahi
Mehboob Elahi
  • Noryn Ali

agreed

Gary McCarthy
Gary McCarthy

25 years ago, who would of thought an ANC lead Sth Africa government would turn their rifles on their own people, for striking for a living wage?

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Gary McCarthy

Gary the police officers turned their weapons on a bunch of hooligans that murdered innocent people before that. They weren't protesting peacefully. Plus this was an illegal strike that is not protected by the constitution. They police officers fired rubber bullets and tear gas at them and only after they started shooting at the police officers did they police open fire with sharp point ammunition. Like I said above.

Denise Winkel
Denise Winkel

It's criminal tha these workers are paid a pittance. Without them huge coporations would fail to exist. They deserve a decent wage and a lifestyle that brings them out of the poverty trap. If you can't get people tro work for you, you too and your families may find yourselves in their situation.Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!

Denise Winkel
Denise Winkel
  • Denise Winkel

The Police aren't exactly pearly white either

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald

Am I the only one seeing the weapons? Am I the only one that knows the police were only called in AFTER they murdered the security guards that was sent to protect the working miners? On which planet are you guys from? Since when do murderers deserve pity?

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Frik Groenewald

No Frik others see the weapons too. But if they admit it they cant sensationalize the story

Manjit Gill
Manjit Gill

Its disgraceful that good , honest workers are being paid a pittance while the huge corporations are taking huge profits and lining their pockets..pay them a decent wage treat them with dignity and respect!

Frances McGinlay
Frances McGinlay
  • Manjit Gill

amen to that Manjit. Sleep well when you go. Respect xx

Gary Kilroy
Gary Kilroy
  • Manjit Gill

A decent wage for such a hard dangerous job is the least they deserve, more power to them!

Kate Ihlenfeldt
Kate Ihlenfeldt
  • Manjit Gill

They DO earn a decent wage! What they told journalists is not true. Here are the correct figures: http://mg.co.za/article/2012-08-24-miners-earn-a-r7000-pittance

Sharon Adele Chick
Sharon Adele Chick
  • Manjit Gill

It seems to me that R9500/month is an excellent wage. People in this country need to realise that rights come with responsibilites. We only hear rights, rights, rights. I'm sick of it.

Owen Gale
Owen Gale
  • Manjit Gill

R9500 or R10500 per month is a good wage? Doing the same work in Australia you would get around R15000 per week and the companies are still making huge profits. Do you live on R9500 Sharon?

Violeta Bozinovska
Violeta Bozinovska
  • Manjit Gill

and much less per month!.... and less showing off how Australia is very rich and more making plans to take over workers there will be better for both:))...but they might not like Australia due to a lot of radiation there:DDDD...might count as bad living conditions:D

Sello Moloto
Sello Moloto

Improvement of working conditions and workers wages is long overdue.

Kwena Sebopetsa
Kwena Sebopetsa
  • Sello Moloto

Ke nnete Mohlaloga.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Sello Moloto

Johannes Mosehla You are right, the police had a right to defend themselves, so glad you mentioned that. The ANC is to busy lining their own pockets to worry about the workers, unless it is election time then they promise the sun and the moon ... but never deliver

Owen Gale
Owen Gale

Giant corporations have no conscience at all, and far more power than a handful of workers. That is why we must all band together to support people in this kind of situation. Organise and mobilize for the good of all!

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