Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for...

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for them. They have the right to demand better wages but when you go and kill other people so that your salary can improve you don't deserve dry bread.

Boudica Mulder
Boudica Mulder
  • Barry Bolton

agreed

Sharon Adele Chick
Sharon Adele Chick
  • Barry Bolton

I agree too. It's sick this mindset of war and violence that pervades our society.

B. Ross Ashley
B. Ross Ashley
  • Barry Bolton

You actually believe the police were fired on first? Cops lie, it's part of the job description.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

B. Ross Ashley There is actual camera footage that shows they fired on the cops first, from a TV station Al Jazeera. I'm curious though what you would have done in their shoes, when an armed mob charges you....

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

I don't have to believe the footage is there

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton
Gavin M Andersson
Gavin M Andersson
  • Barry Bolton

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so...

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so of the 34 dead.
3> what no TV or newspaper reporter saw, since they were kept in one place by the police, is the majority of the workers being killed: running away behind the 'mountain' to another clump of rocks out of sight of the media. these were shot in the back, and now we hear that some were also run over by Nyalas (giant police vehicles)

there can be no justification for murder. those who killed the 10 must be brought to justice. so too those who gave the instruction to shoot down the strilkers. incidentally the latter have just charged almost 300 strikers with the murder of the 34 (not the 10), on the grounds that they somehow organized their death. those charged are randomly picked - wounded and so unable to run, or rounded up immmediately after the shooting.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter...

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter remains:
1) If the followed the legal route
2) If they left their weapons at home
3) If they protested in an orderly manner the police wouldn't even need to be there

NO one would have died that day, so the root cause is and still remain their actions on that day and the days prior. There is a clear video that shows they shot first, after that I'm sorry all bets are off. As for the journalist "behind" the police line... well I promise you this, if they weren't the mob would have killed them too.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the...

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the camera evidence already showed they were fired upon by the miners.
8. Pleas provide us proof of the Nyalas that ran over these people other than hearsay

Allison Cassidy
Allison Cassidy
  • Barry Bolton

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields...

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields of Marikana on dailymaverick.co.za - it poses MANY many good questions and gives a hell of a lot of facts that make one feel rather ill.

Jay Dee
Jay Dee

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and...

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and bone marrow. Hearing damage
Finally, a danger of platinum is that it can cause potentiation of the toxicity of other dangerous chemicals in the human body, such as selenium. Words from my knowledge and dictionary.
All for $690 in month, a shame, as again its the plundering from a few "bosses, mine owners " of many wanting to make a living. A life can not be measured in money.

To South Africa, since the end of the Apartheid era, what? Wait! It has not ended, it has just changed forms or am I wrong? Take a good look. What the white minority done to the majority of blacks has turned around, it is the black majority doing it to the white minority, so an art vengeance. No, that is not all, it is black minority against black majority. Exploitation of a race and color that is the same in minority as majority.
Sad and nauseating.-

Christel Zopick
Christel Zopick
  • Jay Dee

These guys earn R9500.00 a month, and they killed 10 people before the saps did inathing including 2 memebers of the saps and 8 of their own, should they not face the law nw, we all agree the conditions are not ideal, but voilence shouldn't be the answer

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

why single out Australia to take them???????

Jay Dee
Jay Dee
  • Jay Dee

Because Australia is a big land with few inhabitants. These people will help the economy of Australia grow, as many are young or middle aged. I do believe, they would or will do their part, that they are no burden for Australia. With these immigrants from South Africa, Australia can only win.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

Australia has a large yearly intake of immigrants(legal and illegal)..screening of these is very costly and timeconsuming..we DO take them from Africa.A lot of Australia is not suitable for habitation either.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

Nicola, I promise you the people that wants to immigrate to Australia is not the slackers of the country, it is people that wants to work, but because of racist laws that is in place are blocked by the government to do so. I fear for my son in first grade future.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

I was not implying that they were slackers, just pointing out that all hopeful immigrants are screened as closely as possible.When I applied to come to Australia 30 years ago with my family WE had strict rules too.All governments have the right to approve or disapporove who they will let into their country.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Jay Dee

Jay Dee i like the way you think

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

So you are a racist then Angus? or am I misunderstanding here...

Cyn Rich
Cyn Rich
  • Jay Dee

Nicely stated, Jay Dee. Bravo ~~~~~ cyn

Gloria N Crystal Montanez
Gloria N Crystal Montanez
  • Jay Dee

why did the police kill these hard working human being?? please it makes no sense, these officer need to pay for this dearly

Manjit Gill
Manjit Gill

Its disgraceful that good , honest workers are being paid a pittance while the huge corporations are taking huge profits and lining their pockets..pay them a decent wage treat them with dignity and respect!

Frances McGinlay
Frances McGinlay
  • Manjit Gill

amen to that Manjit. Sleep well when you go. Respect xx

Gary Kilroy
Gary Kilroy
  • Manjit Gill

A decent wage for such a hard dangerous job is the least they deserve, more power to them!

Kate Ihlenfeldt
Kate Ihlenfeldt
  • Manjit Gill

They DO earn a decent wage! What they told journalists is not true. Here are the correct figures: http://mg.co.za/article/2012-08-24-miners-earn-a-r7000-pittance

Sharon Adele Chick
Sharon Adele Chick
  • Manjit Gill

It seems to me that R9500/month is an excellent wage. People in this country need to realise that rights come with responsibilites. We only hear rights, rights, rights. I'm sick of it.

Owen Gale
Owen Gale
  • Manjit Gill

R9500 or R10500 per month is a good wage? Doing the same work in Australia you would get around R15000 per week and the companies are still making huge profits. Do you live on R9500 Sharon?

Violeta Bozinovska
Violeta Bozinovska
  • Manjit Gill

and much less per month!.... and less showing off how Australia is very rich and more making plans to take over workers there will be better for both:))...but they might not like Australia due to a lot of radiation there:DDDD...might count as bad living conditions:D

Angress Lemi
Angress Lemi

It seems that Apartied is still present there! these workers deserve a decent wage and better
life conditions !

Alexander Steenberg
Alexander Steenberg
  • Angress Lemi

This have nothing to do with apartheid. I support them in their strike but the killing of 8 normal people and 2 police officers that is barbaric. The police did what they had to do to bring peace even if it costed the lives of 30 protesters that are also murderers by taking the law into their own hands. This is not just a problem for the big corporation but is an atitude problem that are provoked by the Unions that lead the strike action. So in short they deserve the right to better conditions but they have no right to act barbaric.

Angress Lemi
Angress Lemi
  • Angress Lemi

I read more about this sad matter and I think both sides had acted barbaric ! none the less honest workers had always fought to get thier rights back went taken by greed and unjustice!

Alexander Steenberg
Alexander Steenberg
  • Angress Lemi

I agree with you

Tony McGregor
Tony McGregor

Profits are immoral while workers are paid wages that are insufficient for a helathy, decent life

Paul Pereira
Paul Pereira
  • Tony McGregor

Losses would, of course, be even more immoral (if we must pretend that profit and loss has anything to do with morality except perhaps in their extremes) since then there'd be no earnings at all. And Tony McWeimar-Gregor, I have horrid flu and nothing to do today except read your sandanista accounting 101. So don't annoy me or, by gum, I'll come over to pretoria and thump you over the noggin with a copy of the Wealth of Nations. And I'm hungry.

Mojalefa Murphy
Mojalefa Murphy
  • Tony McGregor

In the case of Lonmin, where the chief financial officer Alan Ferguson earned R854 581 (> $100 000) a month and a rock driller taking home R4 000 (about $500) in the same period, we must pretend that this disproportionate sharing of profit is immoral and do something about it.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Tony McGregor

Mojafele you forgot to mention that the Chief financial officer has an education behind him while a good majority of the rock drillers have non

David Van Wyk
David Van Wyk

Tell Lonmin that the 22% increase is not enough and that the increase should not be at the cost of the work of other workers but that it should come from reducing dividend payouts to shareholders and a radical reduction in the income of senior managers.

Mike McKeon
Mike McKeon
  • David Van Wyk

Shouldn't the Health Hazards Be a Bigger Priority As Well?

Jake Wirth
Jake Wirth

Apartheid is still prevalent.

Cynthia Maherry Le Roux
Cynthia Maherry Le Roux
  • Jake Wirth

ALL over the world, including USA, etc., not only in South Africa!!!

Rudy Ruacho
Rudy Ruacho

THANKS FOR THE AWARENESS TO THIS SHAMEFUL AND MOST HORRIFIC PROBLEM.. RUNNING AWAY FROM THE PROBLEM IS NEVER THE ANSWER.. SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WILL CONTINUE AND REMAIN. IT IS A TRAGEDY THAT THESE MINE OWNER (SO CALLED) BECAUSE NOTHING IN THIS WORLD BELONGS TO ANY OF US. WE WERE MADE STEWARDS OF EVERYTHING IN IT! TO LOVE, SHARE AND PROTECT THE ABUNDANCE THAT IT PRODUCES EVERYDAY.

MINE OWNERS- I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT HORDING RICHES IS NOT YOUR A CALLING...

THANKS FOR THE AWARENESS TO THIS SHAMEFUL AND MOST HORRIFIC PROBLEM.. RUNNING AWAY FROM THE PROBLEM IS NEVER THE ANSWER.. SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WILL CONTINUE AND REMAIN. IT IS A TRAGEDY THAT THESE MINE OWNER (SO CALLED) BECAUSE NOTHING IN THIS WORLD BELONGS TO ANY OF US. WE WERE MADE STEWARDS OF EVERYTHING IN IT! TO LOVE, SHARE AND PROTECT THE ABUNDANCE THAT IT PRODUCES EVERYDAY.

MINE OWNERS- I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT HORDING RICHES IS NOT YOUR A CALLING AND MUCH LESS YOUR BEST MOVE HERE ON EARTH... YOU KNOW SOMETHING? I KNOW THAT GOD CHOSE YOU ALL TO BE THE BIGGEST, THE LARGEST LIFE CHANGING PROVIDERS IN THIS WORLD. TO BRING THE MOST DRASTIC, THE MOST FINANCIALLY NOTABLE CHANGE IN THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. IF YOU WOULD ONLY TEST GOD ON THIS.... LOVE YOUR HARD WORKING MINERS AND RAISE THEIR WAGES TO A LIVABLE STANDARD OF LIVING.. SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES... GOOD FOOD, GREAT HEALTH AND EDUCATION.. THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL KNOW OF YOUR NAMES AND YOUR WEALTH BECAUSE GOD, ALMIGHT GOD, WILL INCREASE YOUR BUSINESS, INCREASING YOUR INCOME MORE THAN TEN FOLD.... TEN FOLD! I DARE YOU TO TEST GOD ON THIS!
DO WHAT IS RIGHT,
RUDY

Rick Blanco
Rick Blanco
  • Rudy Ruacho

Nice to see you care

Harry Pye
Harry Pye

More abuse.. Stop it..

Harry Pye
Harry Pye
  • Harry Pye

Signed..

Loyiso Mdingwa
Loyiso Mdingwa

I agree! Give them what they diserve.

Loyiso Mdingwa
Loyiso Mdingwa
  • Loyiso Mdingwa

Grand, kunjani?

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