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Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for...

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for them. They have the right to demand better wages but when you go and kill other people so that your salary can improve you don't deserve dry bread.

Boudica Mulder Samir
Boudica Mulder Samir
  • Barry Bolton

agreed

Sharon Adele Chick
Sharon Adele Chick
  • Barry Bolton

I agree too. It's sick this mindset of war and violence that pervades our society.

B. Ross Ashley
B. Ross Ashley
  • Barry Bolton

You actually believe the police were fired on first? Cops lie, it's part of the job description.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

B. Ross Ashley There is actual camera footage that shows they fired on the cops first, from a TV station Al Jazeera. I'm curious though what you would have done in their shoes, when an armed mob charges you....

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

I don't have to believe the footage is there

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton
Gavin M Andersson
Gavin M Andersson
  • Barry Bolton

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so...

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so of the 34 dead.
3> what no TV or newspaper reporter saw, since they were kept in one place by the police, is the majority of the workers being killed: running away behind the 'mountain' to another clump of rocks out of sight of the media. these were shot in the back, and now we hear that some were also run over by Nyalas (giant police vehicles)

there can be no justification for murder. those who killed the 10 must be brought to justice. so too those who gave the instruction to shoot down the strilkers. incidentally the latter have just charged almost 300 strikers with the murder of the 34 (not the 10), on the grounds that they somehow organized their death. those charged are randomly picked - wounded and so unable to run, or rounded up immmediately after the shooting.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter...

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter remains:
1) If the followed the legal route
2) If they left their weapons at home
3) If they protested in an orderly manner the police wouldn't even need to be there

NO one would have died that day, so the root cause is and still remain their actions on that day and the days prior. There is a clear video that shows they shot first, after that I'm sorry all bets are off. As for the journalist "behind" the police line... well I promise you this, if they weren't the mob would have killed them too.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the...

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the camera evidence already showed they were fired upon by the miners.
8. Pleas provide us proof of the Nyalas that ran over these people other than hearsay

Allison Cassidy
Allison Cassidy
  • Barry Bolton

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields...

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields of Marikana on dailymaverick.co.za - it poses MANY many good questions and gives a hell of a lot of facts that make one feel rather ill.

Jay Dee
Jay Dee

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and...

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and bone marrow. Hearing damage
Finally, a danger of platinum is that it can cause potentiation of the toxicity of other dangerous chemicals in the human body, such as selenium. Words from my knowledge and dictionary.
All for $690 in month, a shame, as again its the plundering from a few "bosses, mine owners " of many wanting to make a living. A life can not be measured in money.

To South Africa, since the end of the Apartheid era, what? Wait! It has not ended, it has just changed forms or am I wrong? Take a good look. What the white minority done to the majority of blacks has turned around, it is the black majority doing it to the white minority, so an art vengeance. No, that is not all, it is black minority against black majority. Exploitation of a race and color that is the same in minority as majority.
Sad and nauseating.-

Christel Zopick
Christel Zopick
  • Jay Dee

These guys earn R9500.00 a month, and they killed 10 people before the saps did inathing including 2 memebers of the saps and 8 of their own, should they not face the law nw, we all agree the conditions are not ideal, but voilence shouldn't be the answer

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

why single out Australia to take them???????

Jay Dee
Jay Dee
  • Jay Dee

Because Australia is a big land with few inhabitants. These people will help the economy of Australia grow, as many are young or middle aged. I do believe, they would or will do their part, that they are no burden for Australia. With these immigrants from South Africa, Australia can only win.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

Australia has a large yearly intake of immigrants(legal and illegal)..screening of these is very costly and timeconsuming..we DO take them from Africa.A lot of Australia is not suitable for habitation either.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

Nicola, I promise you the people that wants to immigrate to Australia is not the slackers of the country, it is people that wants to work, but because of racist laws that is in place are blocked by the government to do so. I fear for my son in first grade future.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

I was not implying that they were slackers, just pointing out that all hopeful immigrants are screened as closely as possible.When I applied to come to Australia 30 years ago with my family WE had strict rules too.All governments have the right to approve or disapporove who they will let into their country.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Jay Dee

Jay Dee i like the way you think

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

So you are a racist then Angus? or am I misunderstanding here...

Cyn Rich
Cyn Rich
  • Jay Dee

Nicely stated, Jay Dee. Bravo ~~~~~ cyn

Gloria N Crystal Montanez
Gloria N Crystal Montanez
  • Jay Dee

why did the police kill these hard working human being?? please it makes no sense, these officer need to pay for this dearly

Susan Davies
Susan Davies

I find it depressing that the ordinary people of South Africa are still being repressed and ignored by their own black government. Why hasn't their living conditions improved - why has their government not looked into their working conditions at the mine?

Hanna Kawas
Hanna Kawas

The only fair and logical solution for the workers and accordingly for South Africa is to nationalize the Lonmin mine. Stop the exploitation of the Third World. Justice, equality and freedom will prevail sooner or later.

Emetia Smit Schnittker
Emetia Smit Schnittker

Much is being said about this in the media at the moment. What is happinening is not only unjust but also inhumane and a disgrace. As someone remarked "Democracy and freedom do not, clearly, equate to peace. In fact no socio-political system ever devised has resulted in peace. Nor are they likely too - like it or not we are, as a species, violent. Individually we can be quite nice, as a group we're complete bastards. Don't see that changing anytime soon.- Stark".
The injustices are still...

Much is being said about this in the media at the moment. What is happinening is not only unjust but also inhumane and a disgrace. As someone remarked "Democracy and freedom do not, clearly, equate to peace. In fact no socio-political system ever devised has resulted in peace. Nor are they likely too - like it or not we are, as a species, violent. Individually we can be quite nice, as a group we're complete bastards. Don't see that changing anytime soon.- Stark".
The injustices are still rife after so many years since the collapse of the Apartheid Era. This is an international organisation for goodness sake, this screams of "BLOOD DIAMONDS". were is the FAIR TRADE in all of this, there is a very real problem happing hear but am I the only person who is seeing the bigger picture. These miners are fighting for a fair wage most of them get paid below the minium living wages (the figures reflected in the attached article are probably monthly pay).
Conversion rates are as follows to give one an idea what the figures are in NZ$: R4000 @ 7.0958 = $563.71;.
R12 500 @ 7.0958 = $1 761.61 and R9 500 @ 7.0958 = $1 388,82.
Yes, justice must be served were crimes have been commited, and every man is accountable to their law. But judge fairly and for goodness sake don't use laws that no longer exits (Apartheid law). The police are just as accountable for loss of life as the miners and therefore should be also be held accountable.
http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/2012-08-17-beyond-the-chaos-at-marikana-the-search-for-the-real-issues

RevDr Lyndewe J Rawlins

AUSTRALIA HAS A HUGE DEBT OWED US! AS ALL WHO STILL PROFIT & PLUNDER FROM OUR PEOPLE & HOMELAND!!!

Fionnbarra Ó Dochartaigh

A one-minute silence was observed for those killed at the rally after the Coalisland-Dungannon [ Co. Tyrone] civil rights march on Sunday, AUGUST 26TH. It marked the 44th anniversary of the first civil rights march in N.Ireland in 1968. If our basic democratic demands had been granted by the one-party Stormont regime, I am convinced we would not have had 3 decades of the "Troubles" which claimed thousands of lives and many more thousands facing no jury courts, interned, jailed, and tortured...

A one-minute silence was observed for those killed at the rally after the Coalisland-Dungannon [ Co. Tyrone] civil rights march on Sunday, AUGUST 26TH. It marked the 44th anniversary of the first civil rights march in N.Ireland in 1968. If our basic democratic demands had been granted by the one-party Stormont regime, I am convinced we would not have had 3 decades of the "Troubles" which claimed thousands of lives and many more thousands facing no jury courts, interned, jailed, and tortured before and after going "inside". Our movement was committed to non-violence, whereas the regime was not. I have posted some reports on my Facebook page and to local & international media. Our thoughts and prayers are with the miners and their families at this time. Signed on behalf of the Civil Rights Network. 'Finn'-Derry Co-founder Nicra, 1967. Author, Historian & Journalist. Webpages irishchronicles.com & nicivilrights.org.

Ravi Arumugam
Ravi Arumugam

I firmly belive that these owners of these mines are not human at all, they are evil and they are going to be destroyed completely within 4 months. They can live longer when they respect fellow humans on this Earth.
Lets Channel LIGHT fr www.lightchannels.com not only to the miners also to the owners of those companies to take wise decisions.

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