Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for...

Hang on a second. We all agree that they should be getting better wages. But the problems at lonmin mine is far deeper than just poor salary. These "peaceful" demonstrators are aligned with two factions of trade unions who have already killed 10 people including two police officers by hacking them to death prior to the big shooting, which these striking miners started. The police did not jsut randomly mow them down. The started shooting at the police first. IM sorry but I have no respect for them. They have the right to demand better wages but when you go and kill other people so that your salary can improve you don't deserve dry bread.

Boudica Mulder
Boudica Mulder
  • Barry Bolton

agreed

Sharon Adele Chick
Sharon Adele Chick
  • Barry Bolton

I agree too. It's sick this mindset of war and violence that pervades our society.

B. Ross Ashley
B. Ross Ashley
  • Barry Bolton

You actually believe the police were fired on first? Cops lie, it's part of the job description.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

B. Ross Ashley There is actual camera footage that shows they fired on the cops first, from a TV station Al Jazeera. I'm curious though what you would have done in their shoes, when an armed mob charges you....

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

I don't have to believe the footage is there

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton
Gavin M Andersson
Gavin M Andersson
  • Barry Bolton

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so...

1. I agree that those who killed workers need to be brought to justice. where is the police 'intelligence' capacity that they cant differentiate these few from the 3000?
2. the media showed us a clip of a column of workers apparently charging at the police. it turns out that they were running through the only gap in a razor fence that had just been put down and then tear gas thrown into them. so they were trying to get away through the gap when they were mown down. this is around 12 or so of the 34 dead.
3> what no TV or newspaper reporter saw, since they were kept in one place by the police, is the majority of the workers being killed: running away behind the 'mountain' to another clump of rocks out of sight of the media. these were shot in the back, and now we hear that some were also run over by Nyalas (giant police vehicles)

there can be no justification for murder. those who killed the 10 must be brought to justice. so too those who gave the instruction to shoot down the strilkers. incidentally the latter have just charged almost 300 strikers with the murder of the 34 (not the 10), on the grounds that they somehow organized their death. those charged are randomly picked - wounded and so unable to run, or rounded up immmediately after the shooting.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Barry Bolton

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter...

It is a very simple principle (one which I teach my kids) you go and see what started the chain of events. 1) was an illegal strike (They didn't follow the lawful procedure that was put in place to prevent incidents like these to happen. (2) They were armed (How can a protest be peaceful when 99% of the protestors have weapons that can kill (3) The police weren't even 400 strong against 3000+, what would you do in their shoes?

Admittedly any loss of life is sad, but the fact of the matter remains:
1) If the followed the legal route
2) If they left their weapons at home
3) If they protested in an orderly manner the police wouldn't even need to be there

NO one would have died that day, so the root cause is and still remain their actions on that day and the days prior. There is a clear video that shows they shot first, after that I'm sorry all bets are off. As for the journalist "behind" the police line... well I promise you this, if they weren't the mob would have killed them too.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Barry Bolton

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the...

So Mr. Anderson.
1 They were on an illegal strike for a couple of days now.
2. Before the cops showed up they killed their own.
3. When the police was sent to monitor them they killed two police officers.
4. So the police decided to control them so that they cant commit any more killings
5. They disobeyed a lawful instruction from the police to stay with in the confined area.
6. When they chose to ignore that request they were warned with rubber bullets and tear gas.
7. AND as the camera evidence already showed they were fired upon by the miners.
8. Pleas provide us proof of the Nyalas that ran over these people other than hearsay

Allison Cassidy
Allison Cassidy
  • Barry Bolton

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields...

Barry, I'd agree if what u were saying is the full truth - it's a LOT more complex, and the FULL truth of the 10 people (including two cops) the week before is still not known!! There are wheels within wheels in this very complex scenario, but believe me, these miners live very compromised lives and in this day and age, it's just NOT ACCEPTABLE - what on earth were the cops doing with live ammunition and automatic weapons, and why had they been sent there with them? Go read The murder fields of Marikana on dailymaverick.co.za - it poses MANY many good questions and gives a hell of a lot of facts that make one feel rather ill.

Jay Dee
Jay Dee

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and...

I wrote a comment today over white South Africans being killed and Australia should let them enter Australia. Here it goes on mine workers, which is a very hard job. The police killed 34 mine workers for demonstrating. Platinum as a metal is not very dangerous, but they are not mining the metal, they are mining the salts. That has effects on the body. Some are Allergic reactions of the skin and the mucous membrane, cancer, DNA alterations. Damage to organs, such as intestines, kidneys and bone marrow. Hearing damage
Finally, a danger of platinum is that it can cause potentiation of the toxicity of other dangerous chemicals in the human body, such as selenium. Words from my knowledge and dictionary.
All for $690 in month, a shame, as again its the plundering from a few "bosses, mine owners " of many wanting to make a living. A life can not be measured in money.

To South Africa, since the end of the Apartheid era, what? Wait! It has not ended, it has just changed forms or am I wrong? Take a good look. What the white minority done to the majority of blacks has turned around, it is the black majority doing it to the white minority, so an art vengeance. No, that is not all, it is black minority against black majority. Exploitation of a race and color that is the same in minority as majority.
Sad and nauseating.-

Christel Zopick
Christel Zopick
  • Jay Dee

These guys earn R9500.00 a month, and they killed 10 people before the saps did inathing including 2 memebers of the saps and 8 of their own, should they not face the law nw, we all agree the conditions are not ideal, but voilence shouldn't be the answer

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

why single out Australia to take them???????

Jay Dee
Jay Dee
  • Jay Dee

Because Australia is a big land with few inhabitants. These people will help the economy of Australia grow, as many are young or middle aged. I do believe, they would or will do their part, that they are no burden for Australia. With these immigrants from South Africa, Australia can only win.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

Australia has a large yearly intake of immigrants(legal and illegal)..screening of these is very costly and timeconsuming..we DO take them from Africa.A lot of Australia is not suitable for habitation either.

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

Nicola, I promise you the people that wants to immigrate to Australia is not the slackers of the country, it is people that wants to work, but because of racist laws that is in place are blocked by the government to do so. I fear for my son in first grade future.

Nicola Thomson
Nicola Thomson
  • Jay Dee

I was not implying that they were slackers, just pointing out that all hopeful immigrants are screened as closely as possible.When I applied to come to Australia 30 years ago with my family WE had strict rules too.All governments have the right to approve or disapporove who they will let into their country.

Barry Bolton
Barry Bolton
  • Jay Dee

Jay Dee i like the way you think

Frik Groenewald
Frik Groenewald
  • Jay Dee

So you are a racist then Angus? or am I misunderstanding here...

Cyn Rich
Cyn Rich
  • Jay Dee

Nicely stated, Jay Dee. Bravo ~~~~~ cyn

Gloria N Crystal Montanez
Gloria N Crystal Montanez
  • Jay Dee

why did the police kill these hard working human being?? please it makes no sense, these officer need to pay for this dearly

Manjit Gill
Manjit Gill

Its disgraceful that good , honest workers are being paid a pittance while the huge corporations are taking huge profits and lining their pockets..pay them a decent wage treat them with dignity and respect!

Frances McGinlay
Frances McGinlay
  • Manjit Gill

amen to that Manjit. Sleep well when you go. Respect xx

Gary Kilroy
Gary Kilroy
  • Manjit Gill

A decent wage for such a hard dangerous job is the least they deserve, more power to them!

Kate Ihlenfeldt
Kate Ihlenfeldt
  • Manjit Gill

They DO earn a decent wage! What they told journalists is not true. Here are the correct figures: http://mg.co.za/article/2012-08-24-miners-earn-a-r7000-pittance

Sharon Adele Chick
Sharon Adele Chick
  • Manjit Gill

It seems to me that R9500/month is an excellent wage. People in this country need to realise that rights come with responsibilites. We only hear rights, rights, rights. I'm sick of it.

Owen Gale
Owen Gale
  • Manjit Gill

R9500 or R10500 per month is a good wage? Doing the same work in Australia you would get around R15000 per week and the companies are still making huge profits. Do you live on R9500 Sharon?

Violeta Bozinovska
Violeta Bozinovska
  • Manjit Gill

and much less per month!.... and less showing off how Australia is very rich and more making plans to take over workers there will be better for both:))...but they might not like Australia due to a lot of radiation there:DDDD...might count as bad living conditions:D

Emetia Smit Schnittker
Emetia Smit Schnittker

The point is this is not an isolated matter (SA) any longer because of the media and technology (web) it has become an international matter and to icing on the cake as I remarked in my previous posting Lomnin is an International Mining Company. Who are the companies that purchase these salts or what ever they purchase in it's finished state from Lomnin? Surely this insanity has awoken their attention. I can remember in the not to distant past when things did not go according to various...

The point is this is not an isolated matter (SA) any longer because of the media and technology (web) it has become an international matter and to icing on the cake as I remarked in my previous posting Lomnin is an International Mining Company. Who are the companies that purchase these salts or what ever they purchase in it's finished state from Lomnin? Surely this insanity has awoken their attention. I can remember in the not to distant past when things did not go according to various political persasions/pressures their were sanctions and imbagos implemented.

Anyone know where we can one find out what the "Platinum metal or the salt" that is mined at Lomnin end products are and were they are sold and by whom? That way we can refuse to buy them untill this matter is resolved.

Rita Bellaert
Rita Bellaert
  • Emetia Smit Schnittker

how many times are you gonna post this? i'd say once is enough !!!!

Emetia Smit Schnittker
Emetia Smit Schnittker
  • Emetia Smit Schnittker

Ahh...as many times as I feel it's neccesary.

Lyle Britton-Masekela
Lyle Britton-Masekela

Is was shocking to think that black South African Billionaire/Millionaire Fatcats suffer from such amnesia that they would totally evade their past from their consciousness and behave more unreasonably and glutonuous than the old devils of a former Aprtheid draconian state. We as South African's have been through quite a bit historically and always offer to assist the rest of Africa and the world without thorough Economic plannng to free the African. Some who benefit from Lonmin should have...

Is was shocking to think that black South African Billionaire/Millionaire Fatcats suffer from such amnesia that they would totally evade their past from their consciousness and behave more unreasonably and glutonuous than the old devils of a former Aprtheid draconian state. We as South African's have been through quite a bit historically and always offer to assist the rest of Africa and the world without thorough Economic plannng to free the African. Some who benefit from Lonmin should have had their consciousness removed in order to sleep at night. It has been happening since this "Democracy" started, whites and a few fortumnate blacks eating the spoils of the much anticipated Liberation. Lyle

Lyle Britton-Masekela
Lyle Britton-Masekela
  • Lyle Britton-Masekela

Spelling Mistake in the above comment it should start with "It's" and not Is.

Joaquin Oiseaux Olson
Joaquin Oiseaux Olson

It is a shame that people could treat another human with such little respect, the police should be in question as well.

Joaquin Oiseaux Olson
Joaquin Oiseaux Olson
  • Joaquin Oiseaux Olson

For me this is all about bringing awareness of world social issues. I am sure that there is much more to this then meets the eye, however that doesn't change the fact of poor salaries.

Jay Dee
Jay Dee

I am no racist, on the Earth all humans are equal, I respect that. It is a sin that any where in our world today people have to die, because of wages. It is a sin that is irreparable, a life taken can not be restored. They died for better working conditions and better living standards caused by the exploitation of employees by companies , concerns, firms and corperations, that gorge themselves on profit. "What is a life worth today?"

Marcus Tsiakos
Marcus Tsiakos
  • Jay Dee

No Jay Dee , they died because they got shot after attacking our national police with weapons , they were only defending themselfs

Diana Stavropoulos
Diana Stavropoulos

This makes me so sad. It is also inhumane. Let us pray to the Lord that people will open their eyes and see the pain and suffering in our world today. Reminds me of the song "feed the world album". I love that song!

Mary Stavrakis Papayiannis
Mary Stavrakis Papayiannis
  • Diana Stavropoulos

Diana dear, this is the same old, same old..Giant corporations have been doing this forever..screwing and abusing workers everywhere..they amalgamate, takeover, layoff, bigger workload for the employees and their ultimate success story is FAT PROFITS..the CEO gets his 6 figure salary/bonuses while the lower ranks get peanuts..ref. to the article, look at the price of Gold, Platinum see how they have skyrocketed while wages remain at poverty levels..and to top it all it's a commodity traded...

Diana dear, this is the same old, same old..Giant corporations have been doing this forever..screwing and abusing workers everywhere..they amalgamate, takeover, layoff, bigger workload for the employees and their ultimate success story is FAT PROFITS..the CEO gets his 6 figure salary/bonuses while the lower ranks get peanuts..ref. to the article, look at the price of Gold, Platinum see how they have skyrocketed while wages remain at poverty levels..and to top it all it's a commodity traded on the markets, price of which is set by USA in their dollar $..how nice..SO UNJUST..

David Van Wyk
David Van Wyk

Tell Lonmin that the 22% increase is not enough and that the increase should not be at the cost of the work of other workers but that it should come from reducing dividend payouts to shareholders and a radical reduction in the income of senior managers.

Mike McKeon
Mike McKeon
  • David Van Wyk

Shouldn't the Health Hazards Be a Bigger Priority As Well?

Jake Wirth
Jake Wirth

Apartheid is still prevalent.

Cynthia Maherry Le Roux
Cynthia Maherry Le Roux
  • Jake Wirth

ALL over the world, including USA, etc., not only in South Africa!!!

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