Marina Louw
Marina Louw

This petition is seriously pathetic and a total misrepresentation of the truth. There are racially motivated murders in SA, yes, and some of these are white farmers, sadly. But to claim that white South Africans are facing genocide is pure fantasy. Julius Malema is a dangerous fool and should be stopped, but the reality is that the vast majority of people murdered in SA are black and coloured, and motivated by poverty, gangsterism and crime. I am a white South African born and bred, and am...

This petition is seriously pathetic and a total misrepresentation of the truth. There are racially motivated murders in SA, yes, and some of these are white farmers, sadly. But to claim that white South Africans are facing genocide is pure fantasy. Julius Malema is a dangerous fool and should be stopped, but the reality is that the vast majority of people murdered in SA are black and coloured, and motivated by poverty, gangsterism and crime. I am a white South African born and bred, and am very concerned about the corruption and crime in our country, but what you are doing here is a serious, pathetic deviation from the truth. Get a grip!

Jacques Nortje
Jacques Nortje
  • Marina Louw

Marina I don't want to get personal and tell you to wake up and smell the coffee, but seriously...Maybe you have been living untouched from all this violence or you are so brainwashed that you can't see the truth when it stares you in the eye. We as whites are a minority in South Africa, the whites are being forced out of jobs, off their land, murdered at an alarming rate and you have the gall to call this pathetic? You obviously live in an area where you don't have as many problems, I have...

Marina I don't want to get personal and tell you to wake up and smell the coffee, but seriously...Maybe you have been living untouched from all this violence or you are so brainwashed that you can't see the truth when it stares you in the eye. We as whites are a minority in South Africa, the whites are being forced out of jobs, off their land, murdered at an alarming rate and you have the gall to call this pathetic? You obviously live in an area where you don't have as many problems, I have friends who have been murdered, tortured and hi-jacked in Kwazulu-Natal and other parts of the country...and let me tell you it is far from normal. I don't live in South Africa anymore but wish I did, I had to leave the rest of my family behind to make my own future. And I am not the only one....countless families have been torn apart for this very same reason. Living abroad has shown me just how much of a disaster SA is turning into. South Africans have become so immune or dead inside from every day violence that it does seem pretty normal, untill you live abroad and realise this is very far from the truth. I am not sure what bubble you are living in but let me tell you I hope it does not burst...

Marina Louw
Marina Louw
  • Marina Louw

I am not deying the critical state our country is in, or attempting to minimise the levels of violence suffered by many people (whites included) in South Africa. This is terrible and absolutely not 'normal'. But the attempts by this petition to portray all white South Africans as facing genocide, and that they should therefore be granted political asylum by Australia, is ridiculous. More black and coloured people die violently in SA each year than white, not to mention poverty and...

I am not deying the critical state our country is in, or attempting to minimise the levels of violence suffered by many people (whites included) in South Africa. This is terrible and absolutely not 'normal'. But the attempts by this petition to portray all white South Africans as facing genocide, and that they should therefore be granted political asylum by Australia, is ridiculous. More black and coloured people die violently in SA each year than white, not to mention poverty and starvation, and this is also not OK. It is not OK that there are such levels of crime, violence and corruption in South Africa, but reading this petition and the comments on this page, makes me think the petition's should be 'white racists of the world unite'.

Jacques Nortje
Jacques Nortje
  • Marina Louw

It's unfortunate if that is the way it sounds, as many other people from all races in SA are suffering from violence, but, I hear the President and the ruling party sing songs of killing white people, boers etc and whites especially white men are forced out of jobs and eduaction then yes for me it is very much a white thing and I will fight for it and gather the support for it too. I'd like to see the other people fight for us white men to get jobs etc in South Africa...so if not then there you have your answer.

Brad Wagenaar
Brad Wagenaar
  • Marina Louw

Jacques Andre Nortje Agree with you bud ;)

Ina Raubenheimer Kolberg

please help to stop "white" Genocide in South Africa.....our farmers are getting murdered...........and nobody seems to care.................

Roland Thurston
Roland Thurston
  • Ina Raubenheimer Kolberg

What can we do?

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Ina Raubenheimer Kolberg

Roland Thurston did you sign this petition?

Vicki Lee Johnston
Vicki Lee Johnston
  • Ina Raubenheimer Kolberg

I have always been horrified by this situation ... being farmers here in Western Australia and imagining if it were us. I would sign the petition but I don't use Apps on Facebook ever so will find a way to send a message. We have seen many stories here on documentaries so are aware of the horrors in SA. Have also met some of the families who have managed to get here ... hoping those who need help will find it. As someone said on the petition comments - they want to be invited, not arrive on our shores on a leaky boat and detained.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Ina Raubenheimer Kolberg

Vicki Lee Johnston thank you so much for your support. Please keep trying to sign the petition. We need the help of the International community!

Denzil de Klerk
Denzil de Klerk
  • Ina Raubenheimer Kolberg

You need the help of an education.

Siyamthanda Loyiso Dyantyi

Those who harbour thoughts of hatred, jealousy, revenge and malice are verily very dangerous persons. They cause unrest and ill-will amongst men. Their thoughts and feelings are like wireless messages broadcast in ether, and are received by those whose minds respond to such vibrations.

Edward Waterson
Edward Waterson
  • Siyamthanda Loyiso Dyantyi

Thanks, you speak words of wisdom...I agree....this is not about colour...this is about right and wrong...hope you also voted...May GOD bless you.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Siyamthanda Loyiso Dyantyi

Siyamthando true but the positive side to that statement is : Those who harbor the fruits of the Spirit which is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, they spread a message of goodwill and hope and are received by those whose minds respond to such vibrations. Against such things there is no law.

Edward Waterson
Edward Waterson
  • Siyamthanda Loyiso Dyantyi

Well said....we must always look to the positive side of everything...never the negative....do onto others as thou want them to do onto you.......cowboy version....do onto others before they do it onto you....pos. or neg..ha.....negative is wrong...dont do onto others..what you don't want them to do onto you......do good...and you will receive back in tenfold...mooi bly julle almal en GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Siyamthanda Loyiso Dyantyi

Edward Waterson ...and may God bless and protect you too :)

Greer Noble
Greer Noble
  • Siyamthanda Loyiso Dyantyi

Yes, Siyamthanda, like Julius Malema!!!

Hanli Neuhuber
Hanli Neuhuber

Thank you for caring and sharing this with the world. Felt at one stage that nobody gives a damm about what is happening here in SA because we "deserves" this brutal treatment due to the apartheid/previous government era. It is just getting worse by the minute. Laws in SA is changed to protect corruption/murderers/rapists/hijackers and thieves. Law abiding citizens must try to stay out of jail because you actually have no right to protect yourself or your families. It is a crazy, scary...

Thank you for caring and sharing this with the world. Felt at one stage that nobody gives a damm about what is happening here in SA because we "deserves" this brutal treatment due to the apartheid/previous government era. It is just getting worse by the minute. Laws in SA is changed to protect corruption/murderers/rapists/hijackers and thieves. Law abiding citizens must try to stay out of jail because you actually have no right to protect yourself or your families. It is a crazy, scary country we live in at the moment but again, thank you for caring.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Hanli Neuhuber

No human being deserves this kind of brutal treatment.

Catherine Athena Bower
Catherine Athena Bower
  • Hanli Neuhuber

But you were happy to allow our ancestors to oppress, discriminate, torture and brutalise black people for 300 years? No one has said anything on this page about the disgusting things our forefathers and even some of those white people commenting did to Africans since Jan Van Riebeeck's landing in 1652. Stop ignoring the obvious. This petition is disgusting.

Hanli Neuhuber
Hanli Neuhuber
  • Hanli Neuhuber

@ Catheringe Athena Bower - Firstly, I am not allowing any ancestor to oppress, discriminate, torture and brutalize black people for 300 years - how could I, I am not 350 years old. I was not there to approve or disapprove or have a say in any decisions taken back then. I sincerely apologize that I misunderstood the current situation in SA. It is "pay back time" for something our ancestors did - as per your comment.
I apologize that I think it is disgusting to think that you approve...

@ Catheringe Athena Bower - Firstly, I am not allowing any ancestor to oppress, discriminate, torture and brutalize black people for 300 years - how could I, I am not 350 years old. I was not there to approve or disapprove or have a say in any decisions taken back then. I sincerely apologize that I misunderstood the current situation in SA. It is "pay back time" for something our ancestors did - as per your comment.
I apologize that I think it is disgusting to think that you approve of what is currently going on in SA - brutal murders of farmers or we "boers" as we are referred to, rape of women/children? I apologize that my life is not worth a penny around here and that if you read and hear about a 9 year old girl whose parents have been murdered and then she also got shot in the back of her head or about a boer who has been cut up with a panga in his house while sleeping and then his privates being exposed? Do you know what a panga is? I apologize for even thinking that this is unhuman or that they bind you up and pour boiling water down your throat or shoot you down for a bicycle or kill you for a mere silly little thing like a cellphone for instance? I apologize therefore once more for not understanding and appreciate the fact that we are currently actually getting the punishment we so much deserves. I apologize also for the people who were so stupid to start this petition for trying to help whites in SA. Do you feel better now? I hope so.

Louis Martinez
Louis Martinez
  • Hanli Neuhuber

Catherine, it grieves me to hear such disagreement among people who should be your friends. I live in America and maybe I have never experienced such evil...or maybe I have...by 54 you have seen a lot. Every man is responsible for his own conduct. I did not put them in chains and I will not claim responsibility. Do you think SA is the only place in the world with such problems??? Over 70% of our jails are filled with blacks. One out of two will not see the age of 20 because of their own...

Catherine, it grieves me to hear such disagreement among people who should be your friends. I live in America and maybe I have never experienced such evil...or maybe I have...by 54 you have seen a lot. Every man is responsible for his own conduct. I did not put them in chains and I will not claim responsibility. Do you think SA is the only place in the world with such problems??? Over 70% of our jails are filled with blacks. One out of two will not see the age of 20 because of their own violence and I can no longer tell you how many have been aborted. I have been to their homes and in short too many live like animals. None of this is my doing...they make more money than I do and many live off the state on welfare...but they drive excellent vehicles. By now you may say I am racist....two years ago I helped put on a roof for a black family...I fell off..10 feet and did not get hurt..but still got back on that roof. You see, just because YOU have not experienced a death in your family does not mean many others have not. You are insensitive to the plight of too many people...white or black. This entire issue is more about listening to real problems from real people...whatever color they be and then addressing something called murder in the right way. If you choose SA...good for you, but do not make light of others who have seen what you have not.

Le Roux Nel
Le Roux Nel

White Genocide is driven by the ANC Government and the world is turning a blind eye, the flagship is sinking, the so called Mandelatopia was all this time only liberal propaganda!

Jan Nel
Jan Nel
  • Le Roux Nel

My friend, when it goes down to the wire, and it will, make no mistake, we will receive the same help as everybodt else in history, nothing. Africa is just another sad story. read genocide watch web site.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Le Roux Nel

...maybe the Politicians are turning a blind eye but not the People of the World. Don't loose hope.

Edward Waterson
Edward Waterson
  • Le Roux Nel

We must forget about the world..the people..the politicians....make peace with your soul and with GOD...we must not go down to their level but must pick them up to our level...stop spreading the hate...the hate talk...as long as we show the world that we hate people ...because of skin colour...religion...or what ever...the last WAR will be between Christians and those that are against Christ...there is only good or bad ...right or wrong...not black and white...or...light and dark....God...

We must forget about the world..the people..the politicians....make peace with your soul and with GOD...we must not go down to their level but must pick them up to our level...stop spreading the hate...the hate talk...as long as we show the world that we hate people ...because of skin colour...religion...or what ever...the last WAR will be between Christians and those that are against Christ...there is only good or bad ...right or wrong...not black and white...or...light and dark....God made the rainbow....7 colours...white light has them all...black does not reflect none of them...so both is not a colour on its own...not trying to joke here...just saying...forget about the war between colours...it is about right or wrong.

Colleen Barnard
Colleen Barnard
  • Le Roux Nel

AS I SAID - STAND TOGETHER REGARDLESS OF RACE AND GOD WILL ROOT THE EVIL OUT OF S.A.!!!

Toni Macrides
Toni Macrides

WE ARE 100% AGAINST YOUR PETITION. It is biased, misleading and AGAINST human rights.

Whilst you deny your petition being racist, it is racist by the very fact that you are petitioning for 'White' South Africans only. A South African is a South African.

> We note that your petition does not include the other minority groups of South Africa - Coloured 8.9%, Indian and Asian 2.5% who also face hardships.
> We note that you do not report on how many black farmers there have been in South...

WE ARE 100% AGAINST YOUR PETITION. It is biased, misleading and AGAINST human rights.

Whilst you deny your petition being racist, it is racist by the very fact that you are petitioning for 'White' South Africans only. A South African is a South African.

> We note that your petition does not include the other minority groups of South Africa - Coloured 8.9%, Indian and Asian 2.5% who also face hardships.
> We note that you do not report on how many black farmers there have been in South Africa? How many owned land to farm and received the same benefits that Whites did?

Of the 14,000+ people who have signed this petition, What percentage of you have been into the townships of South Africa and spent time amongst the black people?

Black South Africans are killed every day in South Africa, as are whites. In every race there is 'good' and 'bad'. There are wonderful loving good black people. At the same time, there are aggressive horrible white people.

The forefathers of the same white minority group pleading for refugee status in this 'cause', enacted many pieces of legislation whose aim was to keep majority blacks out of their OWN cities (e.g. Native Land Act, Natives Urban Areas Act), etc. The majority of the population were forced to live like rats into severely overcrowded compounds and backyard shacks with little access to water, plumbing, shelter and food. Whilst Apartheid laws have fallen, the state of these townships is still diabolical - unemployment is incredibly high and therefore, thievery and violence is also high.

Why are we surprised when grossly suppressed people, now retaliate with violence?

"Daunting economic problems remain FROM THE APARTHEID ERA - especially poverty, lack of economic empowerment among the disadvantaged groups, and a shortage of public transportation", CIA Factbook.
> There are 4,8 Billion people in South Africa with white South Africans making up 4.6 Million (9.6%) and black South African's making up 38 Million (79%).
> Around 50% of the population live below the poverty line.
> If wealth was evenly distributed amongst the population, it would stand to reason that 2.3 Million whites should live below the poverty line - according to the 2010 Reuters report, this figure is more like 400,000.

Why are we surprised that when there is such disparity between those that have and those that don't have that violence will rise?

As a minority group, Whites held the majority vote for too many years. The black majority were prisoners and slaves in their own country, where they could not walk the streets after hours without a 'pass'(port). They could not receive an equivalent education and for those lucky to have a job as a 'maid' or 'garden boy' or blue collar worker - the wages were decided mostly by the white employer. "Pass laws also stated that black Africans could not hold a higher business position within a company than the lowest white employee" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws.

Why are we surprised when these grossly suppressed people in their own country now retaliate with violence? How quickly we forget the sins of our past. The pendulum had to swing in a major way to rectify a country so riddled with unfairness and inequality.

In answer to your question: “Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.”.

Yes, everyone has the right. Not just whites. Your petition is fundamentally exclusive, biased, misleading and racist. Find your black brothers and sisters and petition for them too. Until then as an Australian citizen, I am against your petition.

P.S.
In Australia, The Racial Discrimination Act 1975 aims to ensure that people of all backgrounds are treated equally and have the same opportunities. The Act also makes discrimination against people on the basis of their race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin unlawful.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

Nice little hate campaign going on here, Antonia. Makes me wonder what your real motivation is. You are once again accusing me falsely Antonia, I have not removed any comments. All your comments are either on your FB or on the FB page of the person who made the first comment. Get your facts straight. Well done for trying to close this petition down I have changed the word thug, however i feel that towards anyone who rape/torture and murder innocent people. You see Antonia the reason why this...

Nice little hate campaign going on here, Antonia. Makes me wonder what your real motivation is. You are once again accusing me falsely Antonia, I have not removed any comments. All your comments are either on your FB or on the FB page of the person who made the first comment. Get your facts straight. Well done for trying to close this petition down I have changed the word thug, however i feel that towards anyone who rape/torture and murder innocent people. You see Antonia the reason why this Petition is still up is because it is NOT racist and is based on facts. You are so brainwashed that you confuse facts with racism. This Petition is NOT ABOUT APARTHEID. I have never denied that there maybe reasons for the Genocide, but the reasons are IRRELEVANT to the fact that there is a Genocide happening. So you are saying that today's Genocide of the innocent White ethnic minority is justified by their ancestor's actions. What kind of person are you? Anyone is allowed to seek asylum if they are being persecuted by their Government, I totally agree with that! If the black people were persecuted in South Africa by their Government i would have petitioned for them. Fact is the leaders of the Government are promoting these murders against the white people and not the black people.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

Antonia do you even understand what racism means? Please read the definition before you accuse me on a World wide Petition of being a racist. Where exactly am I a racist, please prove it? You should know that being a racist is against the law, accusing someone without any prove is defamation.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

Do you fully understand the definition of Genocide? I don't think so. Please get this once and for all: the fact that thousands of innocent black or previously disadvantaged majority are killed by their own group is sad, unfortunate and unacceptable BUT is IRRELEVANT to the White Genocide. The fact is that a minority ethnical group, namely the White South Africans, is killed on a daily basis by another ethnical group and NOT the other way around. That is why it is a genocide. Genocide is...

Do you fully understand the definition of Genocide? I don't think so. Please get this once and for all: the fact that thousands of innocent black or previously disadvantaged majority are killed by their own group is sad, unfortunate and unacceptable BUT is IRRELEVANT to the White Genocide. The fact is that a minority ethnical group, namely the White South Africans, is killed on a daily basis by another ethnical group and NOT the other way around. That is why it is a genocide. Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" the group that I am referring to is the White South Africans. White South Africans are in fact an ethnic group in their own right after approximately 300 years of British and Afrikaner inter- marrying, later joined by many other European Peoples like the Greeks ,Portuguese, Italians etc. The Afrikaners are today a SUB ethnic group of the LARGER White South African Ethnic Minority group. To call it a genocide is exactly what it is per definition, that is the ugly truth.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

Thanks to modern technology we are now able to show to the world what you, and the South African government, are so desperately trying to hide. Now go on watch it again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylKgntJcP4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_lF7zSjO2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq-Sbltcd1c&feature=player_embedded

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

What kind of person would try and close a Petition down that is trying to stop a Genocide against innocent families in the "safety" of their homes?? Families and children that had NOTHING to do with apartheid, some of them were not even born when apartheid happened, then trying to justify it with cold hearted comments like "Why are we surprised when grossly suppressed people, now retaliate with violence?" Do you have no compassion for your fellow human beings? Why do YOU DISCRIMINATE??...

What kind of person would try and close a Petition down that is trying to stop a Genocide against innocent families in the "safety" of their homes?? Families and children that had NOTHING to do with apartheid, some of them were not even born when apartheid happened, then trying to justify it with cold hearted comments like "Why are we surprised when grossly suppressed people, now retaliate with violence?" Do you have no compassion for your fellow human beings? Why do YOU DISCRIMINATE?? Should the Jewish people also retaliate against the Germans because of what their forefathers did in the Nazi camps? Or what about the Aboriginals?? And then after this White genocide, should the Whites retaliate??

Karin Lore
Karin Lore
  • Toni Macrides

Cara, this person you are arguing with has 2 braincells, the one is dead, the other floating in its a/hole. Ignore comments like this. You have so many signatures FOR this petition and 2 idiots who are against it. What does that tell you? Ignore the ignorant - you know that saying, argue with a fool and they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Maybe when those against it visits SA, they will embrace their enemy and will then find out TOO LATE that they made a...

Cara, this person you are arguing with has 2 braincells, the one is dead, the other floating in its a/hole. Ignore comments like this. You have so many signatures FOR this petition and 2 idiots who are against it. What does that tell you? Ignore the ignorant - you know that saying, argue with a fool and they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Maybe when those against it visits SA, they will embrace their enemy and will then find out TOO LATE that they made a mistake, when they have their vaginas cut open with a broken beer bottle and their uterus' removed whilst still alive, like so many of our farmers wives.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Marc Wilson

Marc Wilson, you demonstrate a lack of understanding of the Moneyweb article, and you do that with unnecessary arrogance. Nowhere does the article state that there is NO Genocide. Where do you get that from? Do you fully understand the definition of Genocide? I don't think so. Please get this once and for all: the fact that thousands of innocent black or previously disadvantaged majority are killed by their own group is sad, unfortunate and unacceptable BUT is IRRELEVANT to the White...

Marc Wilson, you demonstrate a lack of understanding of the Moneyweb article, and you do that with unnecessary arrogance. Nowhere does the article state that there is NO Genocide. Where do you get that from? Do you fully understand the definition of Genocide? I don't think so. Please get this once and for all: the fact that thousands of innocent black or previously disadvantaged majority are killed by their own group is sad, unfortunate and unacceptable BUT is IRRELEVANT to the White Genocide. The fact is that a minority ethnical group, namely the White South Africans, is killed on a daily basis by another ethnical group and NOT the other way around. That is why it is a genocide. It does NOT matter whether a white farmer or a white city dweller is killed, it remains genocide - farm or city is IRRELEVANT. The ratios of farm murders to City murders are IRRELEVANT. Please get this. As you well know many of the ANC leaders, including the President and the ex youth President, are influencing their followers with songs like kill the Boer (Farmers/ Whites) - see youtube links provided. It is a disgrace that your fellow people are slaughtered on a daily basis and you CHOOSE to remain ignorant and in denial of the gruesome facts.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Marc Wilson

Marc Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" I have not massaged anything to fit my ideals, the group that I am referring to is the White South Africans. White South Africans are in fact an ethnic group in their own right after approximately 300 years of British and Afrikaner inter- marrying, later joined by many other European Peoples like the Greeks, Portuguese, Italians etc. The Afrikaners are today a...

Marc Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" I have not massaged anything to fit my ideals, the group that I am referring to is the White South Africans. White South Africans are in fact an ethnic group in their own right after approximately 300 years of British and Afrikaner inter- marrying, later joined by many other European Peoples like the Greeks, Portuguese, Italians etc. The Afrikaners are today a SUB ethnic group of the LARGER White South African Ethnic Minority group. To call it a genocide is exactly what it is per definition, that is the ugly truth. Whites ARE targeted, start reading the newspapers listen to the Government leaders, you SHOULD know you live there but you prefer to live with your head in the sand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylKgntJcP4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_lF7zSjO2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq-Sbltcd1c&feature=player_embedded http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.nl/2012/10/genocide-watch-warns-afrikaners-to.html

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Marc Wilson

Antonia so you are saying that today's Genocide of the innocent White ethnic minority is justified by their ancestor's actions. I did not deny that there maybe reasons fo the Genocide, but at least we agree that it exists. P.S why do you like your own comments?

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Marc Wilson

What corner Marc? Antonia agreed with me that there is a White Genocide happening in South Africa and this is what this Petition is about, nothing will deter me from delivering this important message to the Australian Government!

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Marc Wilson

Marc you just don't get it, do you? The ratio of black vs white farmers is IRRELEVANT to this Petition.It does NOT matter whether a white farmer or a white city dweller is killed, it remains genocide - farm or city is IRRELEVANT. The ratios of farm murders to City murders are IRRELEVANT. Please get this You are showing signs that you are an amateur with debating, now I will have to repeat myself until you get the message. Do you fully understand the definition of Genocide? I don't think so....

Marc you just don't get it, do you? The ratio of black vs white farmers is IRRELEVANT to this Petition.It does NOT matter whether a white farmer or a white city dweller is killed, it remains genocide - farm or city is IRRELEVANT. The ratios of farm murders to City murders are IRRELEVANT. Please get this You are showing signs that you are an amateur with debating, now I will have to repeat myself until you get the message. Do you fully understand the definition of Genocide? I don't think so. Please get this once and for all: the fact that thousands of innocent black or previously disadvantaged majority are killed by their own group is sad, unfortunate and unacceptable BUT is IRRELEVANT to the White Genocide. The fact is that a minority ethnical group, namely the White South Africans, is killed on a daily basis by another ethnical group and NOT the other way around. That is why it is a genocide. Marc Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" I have not massaged anything to fit my ideals, the group that I am referring to is the White South Africans. White South Africans are in fact an ethnic group in their own right after approximately 300 years of British and Afrikaner inter- marrying, later joined by many other European Peoples like the Greeks, ortuguese, Italians etc. The Afrikaners are today a SUB ethnic group of the LARGER White South African Ethnic Minority group. To call it a genocide is exactly what it is per definition, that is the ugly truth. And it is NOT about class Murc, why don't the thousands of poor White people in squatter camps rape/torture and murder the rich and wealthy families?

Lee Boyd
Lee Boyd
  • Marc Wilson

Cara....Why do you even try and debate with liberal minded folk. Words like bigot, racist, fascist etc is all they will throw at you. When all the following fit the ANC perfectly, yet he some how misses to mention that. People like Marc will go all out to attack folk like yourself, yet hides behind his big walls and 24hr armed response security, while he does so from his laptop and claims to be helping his country. Ah the white race of S.A. take down your big walls, razor/electric fences and...

Cara....Why do you even try and debate with liberal minded folk. Words like bigot, racist, fascist etc is all they will throw at you. When all the following fit the ANC perfectly, yet he some how misses to mention that. People like Marc will go all out to attack folk like yourself, yet hides behind his big walls and 24hr armed response security, while he does so from his laptop and claims to be helping his country. Ah the white race of S.A. take down your big walls, razor/electric fences and move out your security estates. You'll understand genocide. And it's a sad state of affairs that as i work in war zones, your murder, rape, car jacking rates are higher and that's just the white race on it's own. Townships, well i bet you've never been in one and will definitely avoid driving past one at night. Am i correct Marc. Your children's school i'm guessing has better security than my residence at present in a war zone. It would seem the Black youth of S.A. have finally woken to the ride they have been taken on. And people like yourself Marc are collateral damage. You've also done jack s**t to change that. Patronising Cara will get you no brownie points, you're white and hated. But hey, you can talk about all your country problems tonight over a braai and some wine as you send the gardener and maid off home with that pathetic 200 pound a month wage you pay them. while S.A. burns around you with your head in the sand.

Marc Wilson
Marc Wilson
  • Marc Wilson

good for you. I must admit I am tired of this debate. Some whites hate blacks, some blacks hate whites, the poor envy the rich and the rich think they own the world and yet the world continues to turn. That's the way of things. Not all liberals hate the military and so on and so on. Not all youth think Mugabe and his pet frog Malema are the best thing since communism. We tend to exaggerate things, we like bad news, we love apocolyptic news! As far as I am concerned this petition is bullsh*t!...

good for you. I must admit I am tired of this debate. Some whites hate blacks, some blacks hate whites, the poor envy the rich and the rich think they own the world and yet the world continues to turn. That's the way of things. Not all liberals hate the military and so on and so on. Not all youth think Mugabe and his pet frog Malema are the best thing since communism. We tend to exaggerate things, we like bad news, we love apocolyptic news! As far as I am concerned this petition is bullsh*t! The people who back it should be ashamed. There is a lot of crime here and a lot of people (black,white, Indian and Coloured) have experienced it. I hate it and wish everyone affected peace and recovery. I don't hate blacks because most of the criminals are black, this is poverty. If whites were in their place then most crimes would be committed by whites and so on and so. The ANC has lost its way, it current leaders are a shame but SA and its people are awesome. I wish you the best Lee and everyone else. I am signing off from this fruitless argument.

Marc Wilson
Marc Wilson
  • Marc Wilson

Actually Frank point of order. You hate liberals which makes you a conservative racist bigot I am guessing. If so you racist types are the cause of all our problems, the blacks that hate whites hate us because of the way YOU people treat (treated) them. We liberals are trying to right the wrongs you caused. Your rant is self-loathing at its best. I say what I want to whom I want and because I am not a conservative racist I am not afraid of offending anyone because I don't have that hate in...

Actually Frank point of order. You hate liberals which makes you a conservative racist bigot I am guessing. If so you racist types are the cause of all our problems, the blacks that hate whites hate us because of the way YOU people treat (treated) them. We liberals are trying to right the wrongs you caused. Your rant is self-loathing at its best. I say what I want to whom I want and because I am not a conservative racist I am not afraid of offending anyone because I don't have that hate in me. You are rude, a bigot, confused and stupid Frank. I suggest some therapy, maybe hug a tree :) Or find a bucket and vomit up some more garbage in it!!!

Jeff Mugo
Jeff Mugo

CONGRATULATIONS! YOU ARE NOW CERTIFIED WITH "HOW TO BECOME A RACIST IN A FEW DAYS."

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Jeff Mugo

REALLY AND HOW AM A RACIST? GO READ THE DEFINITION OF RACIST AND THEN PROOF TO ME WHERE I AM RACIST.

Kirstin Benadé
Kirstin Benadé
  • Jeff Mugo

I think you mean PROVE. Maybe you should read the Dictionary more often.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Jeff Mugo

Kirstin Benadé you have called me a racist bigot and a racist idiot on this Petition. I have asked you every time to PROVE to me where I am racist, and thus far you have not been able to tell me. The sign of a true idiot is when they claim accusations without giving reasons...resorting to petty personal attacks.

Jeff Mugo
Jeff Mugo
  • Jeff Mugo

RACISM entails the belief that members of a race share a set of characteristic traits, abilities, or qualities, that traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral characteristics are inherited, and that this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior to others..... WILL YOU BE TAKING SOME OF THE BLACK FOLKS WHO HAVE HAD BAD EXPERIENCES WITH YOU TO EXILE OR ASYLUM? Or... let me guess... their personality, intellect, morality, and...

RACISM entails the belief that members of a race share a set of characteristic traits, abilities, or qualities, that traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral characteristics are inherited, and that this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior to others..... WILL YOU BE TAKING SOME OF THE BLACK FOLKS WHO HAVE HAD BAD EXPERIENCES WITH YOU TO EXILE OR ASYLUM? Or... let me guess... their personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral characteristics do not fit in ..do they?

Jeff Mugo
Jeff Mugo
  • Jeff Mugo

now that i have defined and "PROOFED" that you are racist, which country do you recommend the BLACKS who have suffered seek audience with.. KENYA? or may be HAITI? or FIJI?

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Jeff Mugo

Where, oh where, did i rank anyone to be superior or inferior?? If the black folks are persecuted by their Government and if their Government sing songs to kill them then they should be granted asylum too. SORRY BUT YOU HAVE NOT PROOFED ANYTHING AND YOU GUESSED WRONG. The black people in South Africa voted for the ruling government to rule over them and since they are the majority they are able to change this with their voting power.

Kirstin Benadé
Kirstin Benadé
  • Jeff Mugo

"The black people in South Africa voted for the ruling government to rule over them and since they are the majority they are able to change this with their voting power." There's an example of you saying that all black people are responsible for the situation that South Africa is in. Not every single black person thinks the same things just like not every white person thinks the same things.

Kirstin Benadé
Kirstin Benadé
  • Jeff Mugo

PS: I don't see how pointing out one of your many spelling/grammar mistakes is "petty". Learning to communicate effectively is rather important.

John Ferreira
John Ferreira

All was not milk and honey and beds of thornless roses! As a child I was confronted and threatend with a knife. We also lived in ciuncil houses like the blacks, indians and coloured people only having to pay a lot more for it. As a young man I had to eat porridge in the morning and evening due to hardship. The mould in the cheese was removed and the rest eaten. I was unemployed for a stretch of 4 years and could not erect a shack and live in it like the blacks do, I would be arrested and put...

All was not milk and honey and beds of thornless roses! As a child I was confronted and threatend with a knife. We also lived in ciuncil houses like the blacks, indians and coloured people only having to pay a lot more for it. As a young man I had to eat porridge in the morning and evening due to hardship. The mould in the cheese was removed and the rest eaten. I was unemployed for a stretch of 4 years and could not erect a shack and live in it like the blacks do, I would be arrested and put behind bars. I worked in white peoples gardens and baby sat for them just to earn a plate of food. For voting and wishing the end to war we are know being annihilated. I would love to wok as hard as I did in any other country in this country knowing I am not about to be murderd.....

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • John Ferreira

So sorry to read about your hardship John.

John Ferreira
John Ferreira
  • John Ferreira

Please pardon the spelling errors...typing is not my forte.

John Ferreira
John Ferreira
  • John Ferreira

Cara-Lee Wiese , Its ok, thanks. At the end of the day it makes one mature and strong...

Jim Jardine
Jim Jardine
  • John Ferreira

get a group together and sail to Autralia. We welcome refugees andn give them amazing benefits. You could also just join in and nfollow some yatchs into port and call up the Australian/ south african support group.

John Ferreira
John Ferreira
  • John Ferreira

Hmmm....you're giving me an idea. Will take sometime to get there though..

Madoline Reed
Madoline Reed
  • John Ferreira

i really hope you make it, this story needs to be shared with australia & the world until they listen

John Ferreira
John Ferreira
  • John Ferreira

All I can ay is "hold on to your seats, the worst is still to come" All you need to see is the incident that took place at the Lonmin Mine and you will know that there is no value for another persons life.

John Ferreira
John Ferreira
  • John Ferreira

Good morning, please let me update u.... in this mornings local newspaper: Man throttled with a rope then thrown from a bridge into a river. Charles Beresford Pretorius Jobling ( 56) was murdered on his farm after which his body was taken in his own vehicle and dumped into a river.... News just in!: A farmer , Mr Mauritz, was shot in the leg yesterday on his farm and clubbed to death with a spade. His wife found him later....fireamrs and household goods stolen...

Steve Oelofsen
Steve Oelofsen

its not only afrikaans people been murdered its any body with a white skin.

Peace Delangelo
Peace Delangelo
  • Steve Oelofsen

My heart goes out to you and all those with white skin in your country, and all those that are being persecuted. If only there realised that thye will have to answer to my heavenly Fther on judgement day, there is no place in the Kingdom of God for murders!!!

Gottlieb Gauche
Gottlieb Gauche
  • Steve Oelofsen

They don't believe in God. They are communists that believe in forefather worshipping and witch doctors. Like in the past they have no regard for human life.

Colette Jordaan Vd Poll
Colette Jordaan Vd Poll
  • Steve Oelofsen

It breaks my heart! I have a young brother and his family here in Aus. My eldest brother, divorced for many years, moved here recently but his two children are staying with their mother in SA. My husband and I and our two teenage children moved here a year ago and are awaiting our permanent residency. My mom and step dad are here in Aus on a 2 year visa and as soon as we have residency they can apply for a parental visa. Unfortunately our youngest sister and her little boy have no...

It breaks my heart! I have a young brother and his family here in Aus. My eldest brother, divorced for many years, moved here recently but his two children are staying with their mother in SA. My husband and I and our two teenage children moved here a year ago and are awaiting our permanent residency. My mom and step dad are here in Aus on a 2 year visa and as soon as we have residency they can apply for a parental visa. Unfortunately our youngest sister and her little boy have no choice to stay in SA, my dad is also staying behind. I wish I could bring every family member over as I know they are not safe in SA. I always pray that God will protect my family, friends, former colleagues and every single South African who is affected by the current situation in SA. I miss you all and love you soooooo much!

Rachel Morrow
Rachel Morrow
  • Steve Oelofsen

This is truly pathetic. And motivated by open and uneducated racism. Do you honestly think that only white people are being affected by crime in SA????? Do yourselves a favour and read Afika's comment above. It resounds with accuracy and truth. Your comments resound with racism, ignorance and weakness.

Sharon Dreyer
Sharon Dreyer
  • Steve Oelofsen

Thank you Tallulah for some reality. It is very racist to only worry about white South Africans when so many of other races suffer under the hands of criminals. Crime in SA must be stopped for ALL who live in our beautiful land not just white people.

MadamTechy ChicagoButch
MadamTechy ChicagoButch
  • Steve Oelofsen

and your point is?

Kathleen Venter
Kathleen Venter
  • Steve Oelofsen

they are afraid of their own people. they would kill their own family to help themselves. i dont understand how inhuman they can be. the whites are suffering yes especially with regards employment.

Kathleen Venter
Kathleen Venter
  • Steve Oelofsen

Colette Jordaan Vd Poll my son and his wife are in australia. we are now a very split family. very sad. i miss him but cant afford to go and see him,

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