Adam Dean
Adam Dean

Friday 8th February, and still Cara-Lee has not removed this dangerous and ignorant petition. Guys, what can we do about this?

Marc Evans
Marc Evans
  • Adam Dean

you could remove yourself if you do not agree...

Thys Louwrens
Thys Louwrens
  • Adam Dean

Adam Dean.
And she is not going to remove it, and unless you want your face removed stop harassing Cara-Lee.
You are a childish idiot you moron.

Koala Bear
Koala Bear
  • Adam Dean

Dickhead

Adam Dean
Adam Dean
  • Adam Dean

Well, thats not very nice Thys. Are you threatening to remove my face? There is no harassment of Cara-Lee whatsoever.
Refugees? REALLY? Genocide? REALLY? C'mon.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Adam Dean

Adam Dean "Genocide really?" this is what YOU wrote on the 16th of Feb "Of course there will be a reaction. It is totally ignorant to not understand and acknowledge this. Cara-Lee consistently denies the impact of this stating it happened 20 years ago, like everyone should just 'get over it". So at least you are starting to acknowledge the reasons for the genocide. Your problem is you are so confused you don't know who...

Adam Dean "Genocide really?" this is what YOU wrote on the 16th of Feb "Of course there will be a reaction. It is totally ignorant to not understand and acknowledge this. Cara-Lee consistently denies the impact of this stating it happened 20 years ago, like everyone should just 'get over it". So at least you are starting to acknowledge the reasons for the genocide. Your problem is you are so confused you don't know who you are. You are white BUT you hate your own race. You know that there is a genocide happening but you are brainwashed to deny it. You justify these atrocities BUT you call yourself a humanitarian. It is 2013 BUT you live in the past. You correct spelling mistakes BUT you don't even know the difference between, its and it's, and you call me brainless?? I could carry on... C'mon everyone can see what a joke you are.

Toni Macrides
Toni Macrides

Don't you think that this is a war between the 'have nots' and the 'haves'. Rather than blacks and white farmers? If the 'haves' took it on themselves and distribute their wealth and skills to the 'have nots' would this be happening at the level it is happening? What have the people who 'have' truly done for the people who 'don't have' - have they divided their farming land, given them some ownership, taught them the skills to run a farm and equipped them to do so? If they had, wouldn't...

Don't you think that this is a war between the 'have nots' and the 'haves'. Rather than blacks and white farmers? If the 'haves' took it on themselves and distribute their wealth and skills to the 'have nots' would this be happening at the level it is happening? What have the people who 'have' truly done for the people who 'don't have' - have they divided their farming land, given them some ownership, taught them the skills to run a farm and equipped them to do so? If they had, wouldn't this create a greater sense of community and even protection - where you have each other's back,... regardless of colour?

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

We could apply this same scenario/same questions to the Aboriginals of Australia, right?

Karin Lore
Karin Lore
  • Toni Macrides

The ants are superior to the grasshoppers. They always will be, I'm comfortable with that fact, and more comfortable with the fact that I am white and very proud to be. I'm not a racist, I'm a culturalist who embraces my own SUPERIOR WHITE skin, ideals, better intellect. Oh, wait.... I must be a racist, who decided racist is a bad thing? I for one don't and never will. I will not sacrifice my culture for an inferior one. It is evident that when you do that, you, the white man, loses...

The ants are superior to the grasshoppers. They always will be, I'm comfortable with that fact, and more comfortable with the fact that I am white and very proud to be. I'm not a racist, I'm a culturalist who embraces my own SUPERIOR WHITE skin, ideals, better intellect. Oh, wait.... I must be a racist, who decided racist is a bad thing? I for one don't and never will. I will not sacrifice my culture for an inferior one. It is evident that when you do that, you, the white man, loses everything in the process. South Africa is a perfect example of that!

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

Stacey you are such a hypocrite. Now YOU are the one that is generalising. So eager to prove all the whites to be racists. Why? What is your agenda? Be honest...tell us.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

yea Stacey just like I said GROUPS of Black Thugs. I know my history this is why I said many times on this Petition that there maybe reasons for these murders but it is IRRELEVANT.There are always reasons for murders. To make statements like" If you were truly passionate about your country would you want to understand it's to its core? If you have done that, I would imagine your responses would be more of query and interest to delve deeper into the why, what, how and when." is an uneducated...

yea Stacey just like I said GROUPS of Black Thugs. I know my history this is why I said many times on this Petition that there maybe reasons for these murders but it is IRRELEVANT.There are always reasons for murders. To make statements like" If you were truly passionate about your country would you want to understand it's to its core? If you have done that, I would imagine your responses would be more of query and interest to delve deeper into the why, what, how and when." is an uneducated assessment because I KNOW the why,what how and when and that is my reason why I am so passionate about my country. And Stacey I also understand why this has created such a fuss because this racist card is being played all around the world. It's getting old now, even my generation is starting to see right through it. Just look at Antonia's FB page with all the different comments about the Petition, some of them are even duplicated. She was clearly trying to send a message and the message was not about trying to have a discussion or debate about the why,what how and when of the genocide. What comments did I make Stacey, that have an attitude and that you are so bamboozled with? I agree that I do struggle with ignorance and denial. This Petition is based on facts NOT emotions. Go read it again I have updated it with all the necessary links.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

The racist card that Antonia was playing, calling someone a racist without any prove or evidence, that is indeed very disappointing and defamatory. I didn't say I know everything but I do know the history of South Africa. My knowledge at my young age comes from my humble studying of many history books. I recommend that you also read this authority of the official South African history so that you may also have the true knowledge of the who, what, where and how of my country's history. Please...

The racist card that Antonia was playing, calling someone a racist without any prove or evidence, that is indeed very disappointing and defamatory. I didn't say I know everything but I do know the history of South Africa. My knowledge at my young age comes from my humble studying of many history books. I recommend that you also read this authority of the official South African history so that you may also have the true knowledge of the who, what, where and how of my country's history. Please read " New History of South Africa by Hermann Giliomee and Bernhard Mbenga published in 2007, The Afrikaners by Hermann Giliomee published in 2009" You must be kidding to hold me or this Petition responsible for the opinions, thoughts and comments of the other 7 Billion people on this planet.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Toni Macrides

"karin" is free to have her opinions just like you are allowed to have your opinions. I do not agree with either one of you. I am allowed to have my non-racist opinions, right? I have explained them over and over on Antonia's many comments and 6!! Facebook updates. Somehow I get the impression that it will make no difference to you what I'm going to say. It's almost like you are waiting for a confession or something from me that I'm a racist so that you van prove to everyone that all white...

"karin" is free to have her opinions just like you are allowed to have your opinions. I do not agree with either one of you. I am allowed to have my non-racist opinions, right? I have explained them over and over on Antonia's many comments and 6!! Facebook updates. Somehow I get the impression that it will make no difference to you what I'm going to say. It's almost like you are waiting for a confession or something from me that I'm a racist so that you van prove to everyone that all white South Africans are racists. ( re-read the thread of all comments above) I will ignore your insensitive, uneducated comment about God...that one I will leave alone. Let's rather focus on the thousands of innocent people that are being raped/tortured and murdered on a daily basis. This will be my last comment, as you said before this is turning into a petty little argument that is going around in circles.

Wayne Anderson
Wayne Anderson

Sorry meant to bring the race thing into my comment. More whites have been killed since '95 by blacks than blacks by whites in the history of SA. If this comment makes me a racist well then guess what? I have no desire to leave this country, I love it here but need to get some law and order in place.Afrika and all your buddies, I dare you to deny the fact that since the african countries that were colonies received there independance things are going better?

Kirstin Benadé
Kirstin Benadé
  • Wayne Anderson

Where did you get that statistic from? Sounds like something you just made up.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Wayne Anderson

Kirstin Benadé these are official statistics from the Department of Justice and is published in the press each year. Websites like Farmitracker keeps record of all the white murders. Don't make ridiculous accusations when it is obvious that you don't keep up to date with the media.

Kirstin Benadé
Kirstin Benadé
  • Wayne Anderson

Oh ok so a website that promotes the same thing you do told you so? Lots of things are published in the media. That doesn't mean they are true. You can't even name an official body responsible for collecting these statistics.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Wayne Anderson

Don't be stupid Kirsten the SA Government will not appoint an "official body" to collect theses statistics as they are the ones promoting the murders. We are "officially" placed on stage 6 by the International Genocide Watch. You will find these links and all the others supporting this Petitiion under the Updates of this Petition. You are such a hypocrite, you choose to believe everything you read in the media to be true about Apartheid, 20 years ago, but when it comes to the White Genocide,...

Don't be stupid Kirsten the SA Government will not appoint an "official body" to collect theses statistics as they are the ones promoting the murders. We are "officially" placed on stage 6 by the International Genocide Watch. You will find these links and all the others supporting this Petitiion under the Updates of this Petition. You are such a hypocrite, you choose to believe everything you read in the media to be true about Apartheid, 20 years ago, but when it comes to the White Genocide, happening right now, you dismiss the truth. My last suggestion to you start reading the newspapers/google/youtube WHITE GENOCIDE IN SOUTH AFRICA. What kind of person are you, to deny the fact that these murders are happening??

Kirstin Benadé
Kirstin Benadé
  • Wayne Anderson

I’m not denying ANY murders. I have family and friends in South Africa who have been killed during and post-Apartheid. My great Aunt and Uncle were killed on their farm. Was it by black people? We will never know for sure. Was it because South Africa has a sky-high crime rate? Absolutely.

South Africa has always been a volatile and dangerous place to live. I do not deny that. I also do not deny that the situation has worsened post-Apartheid. That is mostly due to Government corruption and...

I’m not denying ANY murders. I have family and friends in South Africa who have been killed during and post-Apartheid. My great Aunt and Uncle were killed on their farm. Was it by black people? We will never know for sure. Was it because South Africa has a sky-high crime rate? Absolutely.

South Africa has always been a volatile and dangerous place to live. I do not deny that. I also do not deny that the situation has worsened post-Apartheid. That is mostly due to Government corruption and mismanagement which has led to more people living in poverty and thus more crime.

Despite all of this, there is still no proof that the South African Government is encouraging every black person in South Africa to kill any white person they see. I have experienced Apartheid in action so please don’t assume that I “just believe everything in the media” about Apartheid. Are you implying that Apartheid was a jolly good time for people of colour in South Africa? Or that thousands of black people weren’t systematically killed? I’ll give you an example: Sharpeville Massacre – 69 deaths. Or was that made up by the media too?

Obviously the current Government isn’t going to run a survey titled “How many White people have Black South Africans killed this year?”. But there will certainly be official records of how many Caucasian people were murdered in a particular year. Will there be a list of how many whites were murdered by blacks? No. Because nobody can know that for sure unless every single murder case is solved. And yet on this site I have seen you and your followers state these figures. So I ask again, where are you getting these numbers from?

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Wayne Anderson

Kirstin Benadé http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylKgntJcP4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_lF7zSjO2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq-Sbltcd1c&feature=player_embedded
Just a few links to keep you busy then google/youtube WHITE GENOCIDE IN SOUTH AFRICA
and start reading the newspapers/news 24. There are many websites and FB pages like Farmitracker, Censorbugbear that keep track of all the murders...

Kirstin Benadé http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylKgntJcP4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_lF7zSjO2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq-Sbltcd1c&feature=player_embedded
Just a few links to keep you busy then google/youtube WHITE GENOCIDE IN SOUTH AFRICA
and start reading the newspapers/news 24. There are many websites and FB pages like Farmitracker, Censorbugbear that keep track of all the murders since the Government is trying it's best to hide all of this and it seems like you are helping them.

Francis Thorold
Francis Thorold

What a load of horse-manure. If you want to be taken seriously, at least write fact, not biased opinion. While I'm sure plenty will sign your petition, these people will be those who either share your small-minded opinion, or else, those naive enough to simply believe what you written without actually researching the facts. No politician is ever going to take this seriously because, from the style of writing (poorly worded) and the nature of what you have written - emotionally evocative and...

What a load of horse-manure. If you want to be taken seriously, at least write fact, not biased opinion. While I'm sure plenty will sign your petition, these people will be those who either share your small-minded opinion, or else, those naive enough to simply believe what you written without actually researching the facts. No politician is ever going to take this seriously because, from the style of writing (poorly worded) and the nature of what you have written - emotionally evocative and manipulative, it is clear, before even doing research, that it is not objective.
Good luck getting supporting when you actually refer to people as "Lefties". Ha ha. We aren't living in Apartheid, or during the Cold War anymore.
I'm not even going to waste my time listing everything wrong/inaccurate about the petition, as it would be an insult to the intelligence of any objective person how blatantly wrong it is, but to those who don't know what the situation is (those outside South Africa), go and do some research on the subject. There are a lot of issues in South Africa, but they stem, for the most part, from inequality, not racialism or racism. Of course it is going to be 'black' on 'white' for a large part - because it is whites who are richer, and blacks who are poorer, generally speaking - that's just simple logic.
C'mon people, stop wasting your time with the manipulative nonsense - while it may work on those already sharing your biased viewpoint, or those outside South Africa not in the know, it's never going to get anywhere when people actually look into the facts.

Francis Thorold
Francis Thorold
  • Francis Thorold

*support, not supporting

Francis Thorold
Francis Thorold
  • Francis Thorold

Sadly not, judging from the comments below - I also thought so at first.

Benjamin Benade
Benjamin Benade
  • Francis Thorold

From your comments above and in the poor Grammar I take it you will still be 'Waiter at the Alma Cafe' twenty years from now. Why you bother to comment with such rubbish I don't know. Are you trying to impress that you know something , but in fact nothing or are you just plain stupid. Get a life.

Francis Thorold
Francis Thorold
  • Francis Thorold

I'm a waiter because I'm still at school, you condescending fuck. It's somewhat difficult to have a day-job while writing matric.
Yep, I made a couple of grammatical errors while writing that comment (but not more than a couple) in a fairly long, rushed comment; you, meanwhile, also made a couple in a far shorter comment - while insulting my grammar - nice going.
I take it you are one of those that shat his/her pants after apartheid broke down and life wasn't so easy anymore. From your...

I'm a waiter because I'm still at school, you condescending fuck. It's somewhat difficult to have a day-job while writing matric.
Yep, I made a couple of grammatical errors while writing that comment (but not more than a couple) in a fairly long, rushed comment; you, meanwhile, also made a couple in a far shorter comment - while insulting my grammar - nice going.
I take it you are one of those that shat his/her pants after apartheid broke down and life wasn't so easy anymore. From your location in Sydney, Australia, you must have a far better perspective on the situation than I do, living in Cape Town.
Please, please fill me in on what exactly it is that I wrote that you think is 'rubbish'. I am genuinely fascinated to know.
(I am waiting in anticipation for you to make a comment about how I don't know anything because I'm young and still in school - don't disappoint me!)

Jaidie Rumboll
Jaidie Rumboll
  • Francis Thorold

i love how he tries to pick on your grammar whilst making countless mistakes himself. sad old man.

Leanne Browning
Leanne Browning

I am a South African and I will not sign this petition. The problems we face in SA affect all South Africans regardless of race. We need to be united in addressing them as South Africans. I URGE YOU DO NOT SIGN THIS PETITION.

Desi Liversage
Desi Liversage
  • Leanne Browning

What the fuck!

Diana Friswell
Diana Friswell
  • Leanne Browning

If this is the route for all the uneducated South Africans to leave and go to Australia then I will willingly sign this petition!!!

Illanah Smit
Illanah Smit
  • Leanne Browning

Do you have children?

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Leanne Browning

Since you're so "educated" please explain to me what is so uneducated for wanting the rights of: the right to legal recourse when their rights have been violated, even if the violator was acting in an official capacity, the right to life, the right to liberty and freedom of movement, the right to equality before the law, freedom of opinion and expression and freedom of assembly and association. The UN covenant forbids torture and inhuman or degrading treatment, arbitrary arrest and...

Since you're so "educated" please explain to me what is so uneducated for wanting the rights of: the right to legal recourse when their rights have been violated, even if the violator was acting in an official capacity, the right to life, the right to liberty and freedom of movement, the right to equality before the law, freedom of opinion and expression and freedom of assembly and association. The UN covenant forbids torture and inhuman or degrading treatment, arbitrary arrest and detention, and debtor's prisons. AND ESPECIALLY: It forbids propaganda advocating either war or hatred based on race, religion, national origin, or language.

Brad Wagenaar
Brad Wagenaar
  • Leanne Browning

Leanne, are you & Sioux family by any chance??? Or are you 2 from the same nuthouse??? Honestly, I think these 2 have been dropped on their heads more than once, when they were small...!!! OR just plain STUPID!

Jacques Nortje
Jacques Nortje
  • Leanne Browning

Leanne are you delirious? Do you live in a farmer's community or in the city?

Bernard Saayman
Bernard Saayman

Amazing, when the blacks were in the k-k, the hole world had something to say, and they were identified as black South Africans, now we ask for help for whites and a couple of turds want to drag the blacks back in!

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Bernard Saayman

...and call us racists because we ask for help.

Adam Dean
Adam Dean
  • Bernard Saayman

no you are called racists because you are racists, not because you ask for help.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Bernard Saayman

Bernard please block and report Adam Dean for harassment. He is harassing the petition and the people who signed this petition for a while now.

Liz Morris
Liz Morris

As a South African citizen, with a large family of parents, our children and grandchildren we love and lived through the testing times of apartheid and the transcision in our country, in hope that we will create a better life for all, in this our beautiful country, with our stunning climate, and our families, friends, and the intergration of our communities around us. We have had a taste of this when we have had the special times when we are drawn together in Unity as a Nation when we...

As a South African citizen, with a large family of parents, our children and grandchildren we love and lived through the testing times of apartheid and the transcision in our country, in hope that we will create a better life for all, in this our beautiful country, with our stunning climate, and our families, friends, and the intergration of our communities around us. We have had a taste of this when we have had the special times when we are drawn together in Unity as a Nation when we celebrate events, like World Cup Soccer and other sports in our country, this really lifts our spirits and we believe that there is hope, for a future for all of us together.
These are really special times, but then reality hits home when we have neighbours senselessly killed for a few Rand in their homes and businesses around us, children go missing, and some of these crimes seem to be brushed under the carpet. It is really sad when we have to fear for the safety of our families, friends, and work colleges, be they black or white. It is not the communities that are the problem it is the Corrupt and Criminal elements of society that are causing havoc in our country. Hidious crimes of murder barely make the front pages of the LOCAL newspapers, let alone international news, and it seems that life has very little value, in the mind of these criminals and bribery and corruption are the order of the day, to avoid prosecution.
Any Parent would wants their Children and Grandchildren to move to a country which is safer and offers better opportunity to achiever to their full potential, especially as the (Disadvantaged) now have the total advantage and really bright scholars and students are being disadvantaged due to the colour of their skin now. We have been and are a really hard working nation and would just like to have equal grounds now to grow our future as we have so much to offer.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Liz Morris

Thanks for your support Liz. We need more people to speak the truth.

Adam Dean
Adam Dean
  • Liz Morris

Liz, you should petition for equality in South Africa then. Not refugee status in Australia.

Adam Dean
Adam Dean
  • Liz Morris

Tanscision is spelt: Transition
Intergraion is spelt: Integration
Hidious is spelt: Hideous
Wants is singular: want
Achiever is singular: achieve.
Oh! Now you want 'equal grounds to grow the future'. Funny how suddenly Afrikaners want equality, hey?

Adam Dean
Adam Dean
Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • Adam Dean

Stop living in the past. It is currently the year 2012. The fact is that thousands of white people are being brutally murdered on a daily basis and nothing is being done by the corrupt government to stop this. In fact, they are PROMOTING this white genocide. And stop trying to justify these murders by playing the apartheid blame game. If you don't agree with this petition and you prefer to support these atrocities THEN DON'T SIGN IT, and move on with your daily life if denial - just like your ANC government.

Adam Dean
Adam Dean
  • Adam Dean

The article quoted above is a NEW article, it is from 2012. No one is justifying the murders,... emotional girl. You should read comments before you rant about something that was NOT said.

Mary Irene van Staden
Mary Irene van Staden

Stop the NEW SOUTH AFRICA all need RESPECT to Live.

Lenny Hughes
Lenny Hughes
  • Mary Irene van Staden

Blacks are like this in every country.....dumb as rocks, but want what the white man has.

John Venediger
John Venediger

This is nonsense. Hogwash to be exact. I live in South Africa all my life and have never experienced what you write about. After 1994 we have experienced great prosperity in South Africa.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • John Venediger

...yea right, I'm glad that you have never experienced a HATE crime BUT there are thousands that did, and to call it nonsense and hogwash is disrespectful and ignorant towards the families that lost loved ones. John, wake up from your deep sleep of denial!

John Venediger
John Venediger
  • John Venediger

I do not for one moment believe that Facebook image is of you. You are someone hiding behind a computer spreading racial hatred about South Africa.

Cara-Lee Wiese
Cara-Lee Wiese
  • John Venediger

haha coming from a bicycle! I am not spreading racial hatred get your facts straight, this petition is based on FACTS only.

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