Eduardo Martinez
Eduardo Martinez

On common sense basis, I have always wondered why the USA citizens believe they need fire arms to defend themselves.
We have over 200 countries on the Earth. Do USA citizens believe they are cleverer than the rest of the world population and that is the reason why they assume that is the right decision?
Or is it possible that they are ill educated bringing forward a habit necessary when the Far West was wild?
Eduardo Martinez, CHA, USA

Maximo Barderas
Maximo Barderas
  • Eduardo Martinez

I think it's the second reason. The cowboy culture is in the roots of their society.

Vanya Miguel
Vanya Miguel
  • Eduardo Martinez

Dear uncle soy david I have to unfortunatley disagree inmensely with you on this point as I own a gun myself for protection just to let you in on two examples when nikita was 3 months old three robers came into our house ready to do wrong and I used my gun in self defence another one is while my wife and I were at work I had to rush home to find out 3 men had come into my house and put a gun to nikita and tristan and the maids heads asking them for money tell me should I not arm myself when...

Dear uncle soy david I have to unfortunatley disagree inmensely with you on this point as I own a gun myself for protection just to let you in on two examples when nikita was 3 months old three robers came into our house ready to do wrong and I used my gun in self defence another one is while my wife and I were at work I had to rush home to find out 3 men had come into my house and put a gun to nikita and tristan and the maids heads asking them for money tell me should I not arm myself when if u ever had the time I can tell you the most horrific stories you ever heard just a quick one listen to this I have friends where the whole street of nieghbours have been either killed or shot now think twice before u even imagine when countries like america and south africa need to arm themselves un abrazo

Vanya Miguel
Vanya Miguel
  • Eduardo Martinez

Unfortunately we don't live in Europe, where violent crime is unheard of, but for countries like SA and the USA we have drug lords, rapists, and murderers roaming our streets daily and freely, at least in America the death penalty still exists in some states, but in SA, you kill someone and 2 years later you are out killing again, because they don't believe in that here in SA, so our jails are over crowded, so our only means of protection is a gun, and if we didn't own one we wouldve just...

Unfortunately we don't live in Europe, where violent crime is unheard of, but for countries like SA and the USA we have drug lords, rapists, and murderers roaming our streets daily and freely, at least in America the death penalty still exists in some states, but in SA, you kill someone and 2 years later you are out killing again, because they don't believe in that here in SA, so our jails are over crowded, so our only means of protection is a gun, and if we didn't own one we wouldve just been one of the statics of murdered people. It is sad but that is how we have to live to survive, it has nothing to do with being a cowboy society, but for pure survival

Eduardo Martinez
Eduardo Martinez
  • Eduardo Martinez

I fully understand your point of view but I would like to add some items not consider in your comments:
1. Thousands of children get killed every year in USA by having access to fire arms.
2. We have suffered in our own family the consequences of having the facility of owning a gun to commit suicide.
I imagine if we had arms in Spain, instead of getting about 100 people killed every year (wives, husbands, children, grannies), we would have thousands of them. On top of that, our suicide...

I fully understand your point of view but I would like to add some items not consider in your comments:
1. Thousands of children get killed every year in USA by having access to fire arms.
2. We have suffered in our own family the consequences of having the facility of owning a gun to commit suicide.
I imagine if we had arms in Spain, instead of getting about 100 people killed every year (wives, husbands, children, grannies), we would have thousands of them. On top of that, our suicide figures which are at the moment approximately 3.300 men and 700 women every year, would jump to stratospheric figures.
We have had one very important incident in Spain because royalty has the right to have arms. The actual King of Spain killed his elder brother by accident when they were children. If we all had arms at home, those incidents would be of a similar nature to that of USA. I don't know the statistics about that type of incident in South Africa.
3. To summarize, I do believe the need to have arms, show that there is a very big problem in those countries where it is necessary. The solution is not to give arms to everybody. The root of the problem is of a different nature and it has to be addressed in order to solve it. Otherwise, I recommend you leave the country and come to live in Spain as soon as you can.
Honestly, if I had to carry an arm myself because of just sheer insecurity, I would leave the country, whether S.A. or U.S.A. or any other one…
Lots of love to my dearest family in S.A. Your uncle Eduardo

Perry Svensen
Perry Svensen

You have about a .0003% chance of being shot by a gun based on population by percentage of gun deaths, the number of homicide gun deaths is about the same as the DUI deaths number.
Just because you own a gun, a smart phone or like a drink doesn't mean you are going to kill someone, or that you want to kill someone.

Drew Tedd
Drew Tedd
  • Perry Svensen

you know i love ya buddy......but let's translate percentages to hard numbers...The CDC estimating 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000

Drew Tedd
Drew Tedd
  • Perry Svensen

52, 447 is a high number no mater what percentage of somthing it is.

Drew Tedd
Drew Tedd
  • Perry Svensen

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg thought you would find this interesting...this is the actual # of deaths across the u.s relating to handguns vs. other weapons. The stats that i posted above where just injuries.

Perry Svensen
Perry Svensen
  • Perry Svensen

I am just fed up with all this crap that keeps getting posted and sent to media (yes social media is media) by people who really don't bother to care about facts just their opinion and they bombard us with their opinions everyday. Squeaky wheel concept I guess, so sometimes I get annoyed and try to show another side of a coin. The system we have for handguns ownership here in Canada is so superior in my opinion to what they use in general in the USA, you would not believe it unless you...

I am just fed up with all this crap that keeps getting posted and sent to media (yes social media is media) by people who really don't bother to care about facts just their opinion and they bombard us with their opinions everyday. Squeaky wheel concept I guess, so sometimes I get annoyed and try to show another side of a coin. The system we have for handguns ownership here in Canada is so superior in my opinion to what they use in general in the USA, you would not believe it unless you actually went through it to own a handgun here. Long guns here are also hard to get here legally because you must go through a course, police checks and then when you purchase a gun you must show the related federal ID to buy one. Yes we don't actually have to register the long guns, but that is because we have already jumped through more hoops than almost any other country for the ability to legally own and possese said guns. when it comes to male ownership especially for handguns, the RCMP even interview spouses and or other females like siblings to make sure we are stable, they also do mental health checks, criminal conviction checks before they issue you a classification to own a handgun, and then when and if you acquire a restricted weapon you must get a special ATT permission to transport from Point A to B, and only between your legal residence and a registered shooting range. So no you can't take a restricted weapon out in your back yard and shoot tin cans Legally.
SO the criminals are illegally owning guns and they are not registering them or carrying cards to identify themselves or their legal right to own said guns.

Perry Svensen
Perry Svensen
  • Perry Svensen

Drew will notice I dumbed this post down from a side conversation we have been having, mostly because cut and paste is easier than retyping the same sentiment 2 times.

Janet Esposito
Janet Esposito

Two of my three children work in NYC. I couldn't get on the phone with them quickly enough this morning to make sure they were safe and, thank God, they are. But, again, we have tragic loss of lives and injuries from random a shooting. This is not the Wild West! We do not have to walk around armed and spoiling for trouble. Tighten gun control!

Ad Bavoso Benvengo
Ad Bavoso Benvengo
  • Janet Esposito

My son is a LTD. in the NYPD, thank God, God is always looking after him. Today he was on vacation.

Marie Maggiore Garofano
Marie Maggiore Garofano
  • Janet Esposito

Glad they are fine . I have a relative that is a manager at Foley's which is 30 feet away from where the shots were fired . He is fine too .

Goldie Holzer
Goldie Holzer
  • Janet Esposito

Ina: That's what Hitler wanted and got and look where that country ended up. those of us who remember Hitler will not willingly let that happen here. And I'll say THIS again....if you don't live here...SHUT UP! It's none of your business!

Goldie Holzer
Goldie Holzer
  • Janet Esposito

And I'm talking to anyone not from here. Ina may be from here and in that case has a right to speak, not that I or most of us on here will agree with her.

Marge Pancari
Marge Pancari
  • Janet Esposito

So glad to hear all your family are safe. lol marge

Benjamin Bowman
Benjamin Bowman

You can try and take my guns. I'll give you a bullet before I hand over the gun. I have a right to protect myself. How can I protect myself from a person wielding a gun, if I'm not wielding a gun?

Adam Malmo
Adam Malmo
  • Benjamin Bowman

Stay out of bad neighborhoods with crime. I think your pretty safe w/o a gun in Big Rapids. Just sayin...

Benjamin Bowman
Benjamin Bowman
  • Benjamin Bowman

But I want a gun, not so that I can kill people, but so that I can hunt, and shoot targets. Because its fun. If I have to have protection, I want protection.
I wont give them up.

Adam Malmo
Adam Malmo
  • Benjamin Bowman

I'm all for the right to bear arms too. I'm just saying I wouldnt worry to much about getting robbed or held at gunpoint in BR

Benjamin Bowman
Benjamin Bowman
  • Benjamin Bowman

Lol, yea, all the murders that have taken place here in the last 10-15 years (1 murder) was with a knife... go figure...

Adam Malmo
Adam Malmo
  • Benjamin Bowman

You could walk around the worst neighborhood in town flaunting a million dollars at 2 am and still be relativley safe

Chaz Stevens
Chaz Stevens

Enforce what's on the books and you would have the problem solved but you can thank the courts, judges and weak ass prosecutors for this. Adn whatever asshat wrote update #2 knows dick about weapons... 45 Magnum? Your an idiot Sir and your liberal slant is evident. The weapon was a.45 ACP pistol and that Sir is not at "Magnum".................... A, s for the wounded you can that the NYPD for them. I will post the shooting report when it's available. Bloomberg is as dumb as they come for a...

Enforce what's on the books and you would have the problem solved but you can thank the courts, judges and weak ass prosecutors for this. Adn whatever asshat wrote update #2 knows dick about weapons... 45 Magnum? Your an idiot Sir and your liberal slant is evident. The weapon was a.45 ACP pistol and that Sir is not at "Magnum".................... A, s for the wounded you can that the NYPD for them. I will post the shooting report when it's available. Bloomberg is as dumb as they come for a big city mayor by suggesting that the police strike until America gives up their guns. The one thing about that strike would be a decline in police abuse, brutality, violation of personal civil rights and unjustified killings pf American citizens. We could only hope. Having been legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon for a number of years in a state that MUST issue, we just don't have the problems that all the smart folk in Kalifornia and the Peoples Republic of New York have. You poor fools. Time to wake up.

Michael R Mellenthin
Michael R Mellenthin
  • Chaz Stevens

I also think that a hell of a lot more time on the range for NYC cops would be on my schedule, who the hell were they shooting at, its called center of mass, 2 cops fired 16 fukin bullets.

Chaz Stevens
Chaz Stevens
  • Chaz Stevens

The report just released shows ALL bystanders wounder by NYPD's "finest".... Can't wait for Bloomberg's spin on that one........... How my ability to defend myself was the reason his police department couldn't shoot straight. Fucking Mayberry had a better police department.

Curt Miller
Curt Miller

these gun control morons that was raised to tare down America the way they have". Needs to git the staff and movie to their own little chicken little world so we can git back to being a cow boy up nation.
git

Goldie Holzer
Goldie Holzer
  • Curt Miller

Ok, you might be a nice guy and be really on the up and up. But, please, if you are going to post, don't post like that. I won't be descriptive, not necessary. But we are fighting to retain our rights here, and when a post like this comes up it gives fodder to the 'other side'. Please post more carefully. They already think we are all backwoods hillbilly cowboys who don't know our 3 r's! You know....readin, ritin', rithmetic! BTW: I am a horseperson, so cowboy/girl not an insult, lol!

Curt Miller
Curt Miller
  • Curt Miller

Ok sugar foot!.I Am here to wake up America to the reel deal.
And wait I said is the truth. your all like a 25 year woman with a now ida each mouth.

Harley Borgais
Harley Borgais

FACT: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That means you cannot limit the right to bear arms in any way at all, no exceptions whatsoever.
A right can only be taken away through due process of Constitutional law, when it is the only solution that will prevent the one losing their right(s) from harming other people.
Nuff said.

Harley Borgais
Harley Borgais
  • Harley Borgais

Also, besides the fact that when you make guns illegal, only the criminals will have them....
If one or more good people have a gun in a situation where a bad person is using a gun, the good person can defend the rest, and you don't have tragedies like the Theater shooting which caused 12 deaths and 58 injuries. If one good person had a gun there, only a few people would have been shot, and maybe only the bad guy would have died.
Nuff said.

Goldie Holzer
Goldie Holzer
  • Harley Borgais

In theory I'm in total agreement. One person did have a point. If a bunch of us (those of us with CCW) had a gun....how many of us would have went psycho ourselves and would start shooting at anything that moved. He had thrown smoke bombs - vision limited. I still think someone might have been able to take him out, but would it have changed much I'm not sure. The situation was an untenable one!

Angel Boyce
Angel Boyce

just out of couriosity how many people were killed by a gun after that type was baned stolen? I'm sure that will be a large part and if someone starts a shooting rampage or I'm attacked by an animal I want the ability to protect me and my family. throw those people that don't believe in guns in the woods with a bear and see if they say anything more!

Leigh Ann Mumm
Leigh Ann Mumm
  • Angel Boyce

Let's see...Ohh yes, PEOPLE kill people...not guns.

Angel Boyce
Angel Boyce
  • Angel Boyce

u know what i ment! lol

Bruce Atkins
Bruce Atkins

I believe the criminal should be punished, not the gun.I think the law should be focused on punishing the person, and the legal gun owner shouldn't be the one getting punished.Yes we should never change the second amendment, it was placed there to protect us from domestic control, like they had in the other countries at that time.If they take one fredom, what's to stop them from taking all freedom.

Angel Boyce
Angel Boyce
  • Bruce Atkins

i know of a guy named michael spillers that just got out of prison for i believe it was bank robery and just got arested for stealing the fire chiefs car and found a stolen gun with his fingerprints on it and crashed into a porch in S.E. Portland last week is already free. the problem is they let criminals go without punishment and complain about the rise in crime. look it up, true store

Bruce Atkins
Bruce Atkins
  • Bruce Atkins

Punish the criminal,the gun cant jump up and do the crime by its self.DUH!

BC La Plante
BC La Plante

I do not want to live in a country where the only people who have guns are criminals. The second Amendment isn't about me being able to own a gun for sport or hunting, it is about being armed and able to defend myself against a Totalitarian Government, when and if it becomes necessary.

Goldie Holzer
Goldie Holzer
  • BC La Plante

And it feels closer and closer all the time

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