Min Kang
Min Kang

Instead of focusing on vaccine, why don't we focus on how we can strengthen our immune system?

Sanitation, balanced nutrition, exercises, and rest will strengthen our bodies, so we can fight againt virus, and we will be "naturally" immuned..

If the ‘germ theory of disease’ were 100% correct, there’d be no one living to believe or argue about it.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Min Kang

If the germ theory WEREN'T correct, no-one would ever have discovered the importance of sanitation, and it wouldn't make much difference anyway.

The ignorance in your statement is appalling.

Min Kang
Min Kang
  • Min Kang

Even though your sentence is very short, I really do not understand what you are trying to say. The incongruity in your statement is very appalling.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Min Kang

You have very obviously not thought this through. Think, dammit: why is sanitation important?

Because lack of sanitation means exposure to human waste and filth.

And why is exposure to human waste and filth important?

Because these carry a large number of microorganisms which are able to infect humans.

Why do we think this and why did we develop sanitation?

BECAUSE IT WAS DEMONSTRATED THAT HUMAN AND ANIMAL WASTE CARRIES INFECTIOUS MICROORGANISMS WHICH CAUSE DISEASES.
http://www.ph.ucla...

You have very obviously not thought this through. Think, dammit: why is sanitation important?

Because lack of sanitation means exposure to human waste and filth.

And why is exposure to human waste and filth important?

Because these carry a large number of microorganisms which are able to infect humans.

Why do we think this and why did we develop sanitation?

BECAUSE IT WAS DEMONSTRATED THAT HUMAN AND ANIMAL WASTE CARRIES INFECTIOUS MICROORGANISMS WHICH CAUSE DISEASES.
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/broadstreetpump.html

The fact that you need this spelled out for you tells me that you do not understand the history of sanitation any more than you understand epidemiology, the Koch postulate, microbiology & immunology, or logic.

Min Kang
Min Kang
  • Min Kang

I like your reply because that is what I have been trying to say. Sanitation and personal hygiene is important against virus infection. (I think you are a little confused...)
And vaccine cannot "SANITIZE" our bodies.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Min Kang

You seem very confused.

I am responding to your statement in your comment above: "If the ‘germ theory of disease’ were 100% correct, there’d be no one living to believe or argue about it."

The germ theory of disease is simply that infectious microorganisms cause disease!

I am pointing out that, quite aside from the fact that your final clause in that sentence is nonsensical (honestly, what exactly do you think immune systems do, and how would we ever have evolved without them?), your...

You seem very confused.

I am responding to your statement in your comment above: "If the ‘germ theory of disease’ were 100% correct, there’d be no one living to believe or argue about it."

The germ theory of disease is simply that infectious microorganisms cause disease!

I am pointing out that, quite aside from the fact that your final clause in that sentence is nonsensical (honestly, what exactly do you think immune systems do, and how would we ever have evolved without them?), your apparent assertion that the germ theory of disease is wrong, and your statement that sanitation is important, are mutually contradictory.

On a side note, vaccines do not "sanitize" our body; if you think that is what they are meant to do, it's no wonder you're confused about them. Vaccines give the body's immune system protein tags that the immune system "learns" and remembers via memory B-cells, just as exposure to the full infectious microorganism does. Then, anything which shows up with those tags on the surface - as the infectious microorganisms do - is met with an immediate immune response, as opposed to the body having to ramp up its immune response over days or weeks.

Min Kang
Min Kang
  • Min Kang

Germ theory encouraged the reduction of diseases to simple interactions between microrganism and host, without the need for the elaborate attention to environmental influences, diet, climate, ventilation, and so on that were essential to earlier understandings of health and disease. Because of this, some important proponents of hygiene and sanitation did not necessarily believe that acceptance of the germ theory would be associated with improvements in public health.

The great decline in...

Germ theory encouraged the reduction of diseases to simple interactions between microrganism and host, without the need for the elaborate attention to environmental influences, diet, climate, ventilation, and so on that were essential to earlier understandings of health and disease. Because of this, some important proponents of hygiene and sanitation did not necessarily believe that acceptance of the germ theory would be associated with improvements in public health.

The great decline in mortality associated with the end of the 19th century is not associated with the impact of the germ theory, but with improved sanitation and nutrition. The identification of a disease germ does not necessarily lead to a cure for that disease.
- Contagion: Historical Views of Diseases and Epidemics

There is no concept of sanitation or nutrition in germ theory. That is why germ theory is not 100% correct.

Hope you get it this time.

Kelly Bray
Kelly Bray
  • Min Kang

Lynne Batik Min Kang is a chiropractor. They are not trained in science or evidence based medicine. The study of chiropractic is for those who could not get into a real medical school.

Lynne Batik
Lynne Batik
  • Min Kang

I'm STILL appalled that he doesn't understand the link between germ theory and the fact that we now count sanitation as a basic part of public health efforts. The lack of basic historical and logical understanding boggles me as much as the lack of scientific understanding.

Kelly Bray
Kelly Bray
  • Min Kang

Lynne Batik I know. How many times can you say "If there is no germ theory than why does washing our hands make a difference? Etc.

Kristie Lynn
Kristie Lynn

Read up do your research all others who have opinions... Those who did thier research seem to agree.

Kristie Lynn
Kristie Lynn
  • Kristie Lynn

Read up do your research all others who have opinions... Those who did thier research seem to agree.

Emily MP
Emily MP
  • Kristie Lynn

Where is this research against vaccination? Where are we being shown new evidence that risks outweigh benefit?

Emily MP
Emily MP
  • Kristie Lynn

Also, I work in a critical care unit in the largest cancer center in the country. I consider it a privilege and honor to care for these patients. I have no issue providing an extra layer of protection for them that could mean life or death, when the risk to me (of flu vaccine) is negligible at most.

Kristie Lynn
Kristie Lynn
  • Kristie Lynn

if you are allergic to eggs, its in the shot as a preservative, mercury~~~~poison! the list goes on..i don't want to argue. im saying i will not poison my children/or my self over the flu....and if the thought hasnt crossed your mind!~~~ where are all the new strains of flu coming from??? I have researched everything from foods to meds..... Did you know there is aluminum in your deoderant? Poison! Did you know there are antidepresants in your chicken? wonder why everyones goin nuts~~~ did...

if you are allergic to eggs, its in the shot as a preservative, mercury~~~~poison! the list goes on..i don't want to argue. im saying i will not poison my children/or my self over the flu....and if the thought hasnt crossed your mind!~~~ where are all the new strains of flu coming from??? I have researched everything from foods to meds..... Did you know there is aluminum in your deoderant? Poison! Did you know there are antidepresants in your chicken? wonder why everyones goin nuts~~~ did you know the DNA in plastic is 1 "nucleuos" away from a womans female organ DNA...CANCER...did you know "Diet"sods and juices contain Asprtaine...Cancer!! i could go on. Honey get your shot....you will not be prepaired for the next 6 strains .....

Kristie Lynn
Kristie Lynn
  • Kristie Lynn

Every year about this time doctors around the world are recommending that people go in and get their annual flu shot. What most people don’t know or understand is just how dangerous this could be, especially for children under the age of 12. When people call and say “My doctor is telling the family to go in and get a flu shot. Should I do it?”…I tell them they should learn about the side effects and decide for themselves…as a chiropractor and naturopathic physician I don’t’ have the time or...

Every year about this time doctors around the world are recommending that people go in and get their annual flu shot. What most people don’t know or understand is just how dangerous this could be, especially for children under the age of 12. When people call and say “My doctor is telling the family to go in and get a flu shot. Should I do it?”…I tell them they should learn about the side effects and decide for themselves…as a chiropractor and naturopathic physician I don’t’ have the time or energy to argue with family practitioners or family doctors who are obviously uneducated on the possible side effects or detrimental effects flu shots or vaccinations in general can have on the body.

I personally have never received a flu shot and have never been ill during the flu season. In my personal opinion I don’t think toxic chemicals and strains of different viruses growing on living tissue belong inside the body. Because of the demand, I want to share with you some of the research that we have found in the latest flu shot trend and the by-products of these supposedly sterile and non-harmful solutions.

I don’t know about you, but I sure would not want any of the following compounds in my bloodstream or deposited in my body. Let’s look at what we have found in the common vaccinations:

Ethylene Glycol: Ethylene Glycol is nothing more than the technical name for anti-freeze, the same stuff that you put inside your car engine. I don’t think I have to tell you what would happen if you ingest antifreeze.

Thimerosal: This is a mercury derived disinfectant and preservative which is used in a majority of the vaccinations and can result in brain injury over a long period of time leading into Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s Disease, lack of memory, sluggish brain performance and also is known to induce auto-immune diseases such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, ALS as well as altering and depleting the immune system from working efficiently.

Phenol: Phenol is most commonly used as a disinfectant, also used as a dye, is listened as a carcinogenic agent (cancer-causing) agent and is also known as carbolic acid.

Neomycin and Streptomycin: These compounds are used as antibiotics which have side effects to include severe allergic reactions in some people. It always puzzled me why they are putting two different forms of antibiotics in a viral vaccine.

Aluminum: Aluminum accumulates in the skin, bones, brain and kidneys and can cause Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease. Aluminum has also caused cancer in laboratory mice. It is commonly used as an additive in most vaccinations.

Formaldehyde: Formaldehyde is used as a preservative. It is also classified as a carcinogenic (cancer-causing agent) and causes the body fluids to become acidic in nature. Formaldehyde will start to preserve your tissues within the body.

Kristie Lynn
Kristie Lynn
  • Kristie Lynn

I posted on top...i looked at one page......Just one thats what i found.

Emily MP
Emily MP
  • Kristie Lynn

No, I'm not trying to argue necessarily either. It's just that yes, everything you listed is true. There are poisons is many of our foods, clothing, deodorant (as you mentioned). But there is not peer-reviewed evidenced linking these things to anything. Even the aspartame (which I avoid, myself) has yet to be shown in humans who have moderate intake to have a link to cancer. And the levels of mercury in flu shots are not high enough to do anything to our bodies (do you avoid all foods...

No, I'm not trying to argue necessarily either. It's just that yes, everything you listed is true. There are poisons is many of our foods, clothing, deodorant (as you mentioned). But there is not peer-reviewed evidenced linking these things to anything. Even the aspartame (which I avoid, myself) has yet to be shown in humans who have moderate intake to have a link to cancer. And the levels of mercury in flu shots are not high enough to do anything to our bodies (do you avoid all foods that naturally contain mercury?). To me this is a lot like we know there is radiation in bananas, we know radiation kills people... What cannot jump to is: eating bananas kills people.

Kristie Lynn
Kristie Lynn
  • Kristie Lynn

I think we are just protecting people in our own way! Lol As i think you have the choice yet you want to protect us entering your care...~~~~<3 Lets leave that a tie!

Kristie Lynn
Kristie Lynn
  • Kristie Lynn

I dunno where my other post went but i thankyou for the job you do and love as i just was cured of cervical cancer after two surgeries. Your job means so much to us.

Emily MP
Emily MP
  • Kristie Lynn

Awwww, congratulations to you!!!! That's wonderful, I love to hear it =)) And I'm glad that you are so proactive about educating yourself about your health, aside from the vaccine (heheheh) ;-)

Yvonne Bridges
Yvonne Bridges

My personal opinion is yes I think it's a good idea. But I feel that people should still have the right to choose if they want to. It's as simple as that! For whatever reason they have!

Yvonne Bridges
Yvonne Bridges
  • Yvonne Bridges

My personal opinion is yes I think it's a good idea. But I feel that people should still have the right to choose if they want to. It's as simple as that! For whatever reason they have!

Jerry Cates
Jerry Cates
  • Yvonne Bridges

I think they should. While I normally side on personal choice, within reasonable bounds, There are some areas where a person must conform within a set of rules if they choose to participate in that activity. For instance, football uniforms are uncomfortable, especially when it is near 100 degrees. However, if a person plays in the NFL for a living, they don't have the choice whether or not to wear the basic required uniform.

Since medical workers deal directly with others, many of which...

I think they should. While I normally side on personal choice, within reasonable bounds, There are some areas where a person must conform within a set of rules if they choose to participate in that activity. For instance, football uniforms are uncomfortable, especially when it is near 100 degrees. However, if a person plays in the NFL for a living, they don't have the choice whether or not to wear the basic required uniform.

Since medical workers deal directly with others, many of which have compromised immune systems, they should be made to be vaccinated against every thing possible (at the expense of the healthcare facility) as long as the complications as a result of the vaccine are rare.

Since these workers are specifically delaling with the health of others, they should be required to take the vaccinations as their choice could have a direct impact on others.

Phillip Ionadi
Phillip Ionadi
  • Yvonne Bridges

Vaccines = danger = big profits for irresponsible Big Pharma which puts money before safety.

Yvonne Bridges
Yvonne Bridges
  • Yvonne Bridges

I respect how you feel Jerry but I don't think it should be mandatory for them. They already take precautions when working with people.

Kelly Bray
Kelly Bray
  • Yvonne Bridges

Yvonne Bridges The precautions are not enough. If they can't follow the guidelines their work lays out then they should leave. It is more dangerous to drive a vehicle than get a flu shot. If your job required you to drive and you said no, do you expect to keep your job?

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Yvonne Bridges

Yvonne Bridges I'm Ok about it being a choice to not be vaccinated so long as I have the choice as a patient to not be treated by unvaccinated workers. You give me my choice and I'll give you yours.

Yvonne Bridges
Yvonne Bridges
  • Yvonne Bridges

Well Daniel I imagine that is a possibility because there are those people that choose to get vaccinated verses those that chose not to. So there you are, it's a choice! The way it should be.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Yvonne Bridges

Yvonne Bridges Am I allowed to know if you've been vaccinated or not, and I can ban you from treating me or my family if you're not vaccinated you can have whatever choice you want.

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Yvonne Bridges

Kelly M. Bray that is NOT true for everyone. Family history and genetics play a role in healthcare decisions. BTW...please see my reply regarding my licensing. I am a military spouse that was originally licensed in another state under my maiden name...hence the 2011 license in CA! But feel free to spend your time "investigating" my credentials, it is flattering!

Andrea Leong
Andrea Leong
  • Yvonne Bridges

Valid medical exemption? Fine. Prefer to not get the shot for no real reason? Not okay.

Jeremiah Albert
Jeremiah Albert

Nobody should ever be forced to do anything Americans need to stop being greedy and stay home when they are sick vaccines have need been proven to be 100%.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Jeremiah Albert

Yeah, nobody should be forced to wear seatbelts, or feed their kids, or send them to school, or not display porn outside primary schools...

Oh wait....

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Jeremiah Albert

Well, I'm an Australian. And even Americans are forced to pay taxes.

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Jeremiah Albert

Martin Smith that is not exactly what we are talking about here. Most nurses, doctors etc. love what they do and have their patient's best interest at heart! I know that I do and I don't do anything that would compromise them. But that doesn't mean that I expose myself to unnecessary risk in order to care for them. The flu shot poses risks for me based upon family history. Therefore, mandating it as a requirement to work is a problem. I cannot get a Dr.'s excuse b/c I personally have not...

Martin Smith that is not exactly what we are talking about here. Most nurses, doctors etc. love what they do and have their patient's best interest at heart! I know that I do and I don't do anything that would compromise them. But that doesn't mean that I expose myself to unnecessary risk in order to care for them. The flu shot poses risks for me based upon family history. Therefore, mandating it as a requirement to work is a problem. I cannot get a Dr.'s excuse b/c I personally have not had a reaction, but that very well maybe only b/c I do not take it. Can you not see where forcing me to choose between my health and my career, not a job, my career is troublesome? Guillain-Barré syndrome is not exactly a fever or the sniffles and that is a very REAL, potential side effect of the flu shot!

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Jeremiah Albert

Amanda,
The problem is your unnecessary risk is a myth.

Medical exemptions aside, the relative risk ratio is firmly in favour of vaccinating.

Your premise is faulty.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Jeremiah Albert

Amanda what do you think the risk of the flu is. Is GBS a risk of the flu?

GBS is in fact a higher risk of the flu than of the flu vaccine.

Your logic and facts are both faulty.

The risk of the vaccine is much lower than the risk of the flu. So you are not risking your health to protect your patients. You are protecting your health and your patients.

Jeremiah Albert
Jeremiah Albert
  • Jeremiah Albert

Martin Smith wow you get it that great no child should be force into enslaved public schools and porn is way better then what you see on law and order. or the garbage they call news or any brainwashig christian programing. Most of all law that protect us from ourselves are a waist of time.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Jeremiah Albert

Jeremiah,
Conspiracy theory, last refuge of the illogical argument.

Jeremiah Albert
Jeremiah Albert
  • Jeremiah Albert

No consiracy theory involved my ideas are all personal experience and OPINION I just seriously believe in choice all around thats how you pick out the trash to avoid in your life. Also in my experience as well as Amanda vaccines are not enough of a guaranty to force people the medical industry can more then afford to always have a back up. the only guaranty is to stay home when you are sick end of story. And where do you live that porn is displayed in primary schools or what exactly do you consider porn.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Jeremiah Albert

Satire is just another word to you isn't it?

You don't actually make a coherent argument.

The porn, seatbelt etc analogy was a satire of your first comment. It is called reduction ad absurdum. It demonstrates the illogic of your premise by showing how absurd the premise would be if applied fully.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Jeremiah Albert

Reductio

David Haggath
David Haggath

we have human rights for everything these days except for real choice! Insisting that all health care workers are vacinated simply opens the door to insisting others have other vacinations and so on... who knows where it will take us. Helath Care workers should be well informed of both the risks and advantages of having the vacination and then have the informed choice as to whether they avail themselves of it or not.

Sarah Hunt
Sarah Hunt
  • David Haggath

hey...while we are at it lets force every one to be vaccinated. your children attending school or are being home schooled and you who are working or not....what's wrong don't you like having your freedom of choice taken away. when you take the freedom of choice away from one group you open up the possibility of your own rights to be taken away.

Henry Fernandes
Henry Fernandes
  • David Haggath

Sure....YES..

Janet Ford
Janet Ford
  • David Haggath

It is everyones jobs to protect our envirovment.

Hilda Bethea
Hilda Bethea
  • David Haggath

I'm not sure because personally I don't get cause I get really sick from it.

David Haggath
David Haggath
  • David Haggath

we have human rights for everything these days except for real choice! Insisting that all health care workers are vacinated simply opens the door to insisting others have other vacinations and so on... who knows where it will take us. Helath Care workers should be well informed of both the risks and advantages of having the vacination and then have the informed choice as to whether they avail themselves of it or not.

Philippa Whitham
Philippa Whitham
  • David Haggath

If health workers are to be vacinated. Then one has to ask should everyone that goes in to visit a patient be vacinated. I think the charter of Human Rights would have something to say about that ;-)

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • David Haggath

First, that does not follow. Second, if your grandmother is in the hospital you should definitely have had a flu shot before visiting her. The flu is a killer.

Kim Segmiller
Kim Segmiller
  • David Haggath

Phlippa what happens when a life is lost due to these issues ? Would you say the same thing? I would hope not one HUMAN BEING TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.....

Philippa Whitham
Philippa Whitham
  • David Haggath

I am not saying that it is not needed for health professionals to be vacinated but it must be pointed out that visitors also have a duty to those who they visit. Simple things like washing their hands when they enter and leave a ward, staying away when they have a cold, following ward rules ie not sitting on patients beds, only two visitors a time at a bedside. Our nurses doctors ect strive to do their best and get very little thanks. For the rate of infection to be reduced it is the role and duty of everyone.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • David Haggath

Agreed. I would point out that healthcare workers go from patient to patient, most of whom are sick, and some are likely to have the flu. Their chance of passing on the flu is much greater than a visitor's. But yes, visitor should also be vaccinated and wash their hands.

Kim Segmiller
Kim Segmiller

Miss Kelly you are 100% Correct. With all the Infectious Diseases being responsible for so many Deaths it's a no brainier It's a Must! One Life lost from preventable Diseases is one to many.. My Mother was a Nurse from 1960 to 2011 and she would say unless Your Vaccinated you do not belong WORKING in the Healthcare Field.... I wan't this to be known first of all as of today All Healthcare Personal Play A Very Large Part in regards too these Communicable Diseases Spreading from one PERSON...

Miss Kelly you are 100% Correct. With all the Infectious Diseases being responsible for so many Deaths it's a no brainier It's a Must! One Life lost from preventable Diseases is one to many.. My Mother was a Nurse from 1960 to 2011 and she would say unless Your Vaccinated you do not belong WORKING in the Healthcare Field.... I wan't this to be known first of all as of today All Healthcare Personal Play A Very Large Part in regards too these Communicable Diseases Spreading from one PERSON to ANOTHER, for reasons like not following the guidelines set Forth From Our Infectious Disease Department! Washing Your Hands, Wearing Gloves , Gowns, and Shields if needed! If you all did your part their would be no need for these Measures. Like it or not if you have or had a Loved One in the Hospital that contracted a Disease what would you say then? I would hope one would do what's best for Your Loved One and All Human Beings.. What I'm saying is from first hand Experiences! My Family and I Lost Our Father 7-18-12...He Fought for his Life for 10 Long Months! These SUPER-BUGS as we call Bacteria's! This could have been Prevented! Do What's Best For Yourself And The Public. I would never wish this on ANYONE!

Annette Hogue Whiteman
Annette Hogue Whiteman
  • Kim Segmiller

There is so much argument for and against immunizations. I cannot determine which is correct.

Beverley Fletcher
Beverley Fletcher
  • Kim Segmiller

"Yes. Protecting the health of patients is essential" but also protecting the health of the care worker, works both ways!

Cindy Wheeler
Cindy Wheeler
  • Kim Segmiller

I wouldn't take the vaccines they give for anything! They put things in them that will kill you! Read the labels if you don't believe me!

Lesley Stephens
Lesley Stephens
  • Kim Segmiller

its not just for us health wokers need to have the flujab.what would we do if they got it.and there were not enough doctors and nurses to look after us.we would moan bout it.they work so hard to take care of us.and we should be proud of that.so don't make them but think 95per cent would want to do it.

Kim Segmiller
Kim Segmiller
  • Kim Segmiller

Miss Kelly you are 100% Correct. With all the Infectious Diseases being responsible for so many Deaths it's a no brainier It's a Must! One Life lost from preventable Diseases is one to many.. My Mother was a Nurse from 1960 to 2011 and she would say unless Your Vaccinated you do not belong WORKING in the Healthcare Field.... I wan't this to be known first of all as of today All Healthcare Personal Play A Very Large Part in regards too these Communicable Diseases Spreading from one PERSON...

Miss Kelly you are 100% Correct. With all the Infectious Diseases being responsible for so many Deaths it's a no brainier It's a Must! One Life lost from preventable Diseases is one to many.. My Mother was a Nurse from 1960 to 2011 and she would say unless Your Vaccinated you do not belong WORKING in the Healthcare Field.... I wan't this to be known first of all as of today All Healthcare Personal Play A Very Large Part in regards too these Communicable Diseases Spreading from one PERSON to ANOTHER, for reasons like not following the guidelines set Forth From Our Infectious Disease Department! Washing Your Hands, Wearing Gloves , Gowns, and Shields if needed! If you all did your part their would be no need for these Measures. Like it or not if you have or had a Loved One in the Hospital that contracted a Disease what would you say then? I would hope one would do what's best for Your Loved One and All Human Beings.. What I'm saying is from first hand Experiences! My Family and I Lost Our Father 7-18-12...He Fought for his Life for 10 Long Months! These SUPER-BUGS as we call Bacteria's! This could have been Prevented! Do What's Best For Yourself And The Public. I would never wish this on ANYONE!

Iris Brown
Iris Brown
  • Kim Segmiller

I am a health care worker and it should up to me to be or not to be vaccinated. if I do get the flu I would know to call in sick. for someone to say I put my patients at risk because I do not get vaccinated is not backed by any studies. show me the facts that state otherwise, then we can talk.

Lynne Wright
Lynne Wright
  • Kim Segmiller

Only those who are allergic to eggs and whatever else are listed on the consent form should be exempt. Others should have to wear masks... Same stupid logic that people are using to refuse to fill someone's Rx because it is against their religion. It is a job, not a right..

Kim Segmiller
Kim Segmiller
  • Kim Segmiller

AMEN CUZ...:)

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Kim Segmiller

I am a Nurse and my husband is an active duty USAF Officer. We are both VERY committed to serving our fellow man. I assure you all that we make MANY personal sacrifices in the course of doing so. But I do not accept that my choice to care for you and your loved ones; somehow relinquishes all of my rights to make my own medical choices.

Vaccinations can cause adverse reactions an not every healthcare provider shares the same religious views about all westernized medicine practices. A...

I am a Nurse and my husband is an active duty USAF Officer. We are both VERY committed to serving our fellow man. I assure you all that we make MANY personal sacrifices in the course of doing so. But I do not accept that my choice to care for you and your loved ones; somehow relinquishes all of my rights to make my own medical choices.

Vaccinations can cause adverse reactions an not every healthcare provider shares the same religious views about all westernized medicine practices. A commitment to provide YOU quality care in accordance to YOUR beliefs doesn't mean that we all would make the same choices for ourselves. People can develop Guillain-Barré Syndrome (a severe paralytic illness, also called GBS) that occurred after receiving influenza vaccine. If that illness is prevalent within your family genetics but you have not had the specific reaction to the flu shot; then you are not exempted from such mandated shots. Perhaps as an educated healthcare professional, I should be afforded the right to decide what is best for ME and MY family. Perhaps I should also have some rights o preserve HIPAA for my family and not disclose ALL of the intimate details of their medical history.

Our society of law and order is based upon precedent. So giving up freedom of choice in one area, opens the door to interpretation and loss of other freedoms. The sense of entitlement to stripping me of my rights on this thread is admittedly a bit offensive and quite alarming! My whole family chooses to run into situations, and render aid, when most folks are running out as fast as they can. So before people like Kelly start telling me what career choices and health care choices that I should be making; let us ALL remember that I am an American, living in America. Men and women like my husband work very hard to be sure that we have RIGHTS and FREEDOMS that I will never surrender to anyone!

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Kim Segmiller

You do now that vaccinations are not 100% effective and carry potential side effects and problems for certain people? Blanket policy about Healthcare is bad practice and dangerous!

Jennifer Graber
Jennifer Graber

I will gladly take the flu vaccine when thimerosol is removed from the vaccine itself...

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Jennifer Graber

As a registered nurse I'm sure you are aware that you can simply ask for the single dose version and have the flu vaccine without thimerosol. Or the needle-less nasal spray.

Kelly Bray
Kelly Bray
  • Jennifer Graber

Daniel Weinstein I don't think she bothered to ask.

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Jennifer Graber

Kelly M. Bray Some of the comments from nurses are scary. Are these the highly trained people we're expected to trust with our health?

Jennifer Graber
Jennifer Graber
  • Jennifer Graber

I have asked for it and been refused..i was told those are only for pregnant patients and are "too expensive" for the rest of us...yes, i have a brain and i use it thanks...

Jennifer Graber
Jennifer Graber
  • Jennifer Graber

The public is not aware and informed of all of the ingredients and substances in flu vaccines. Flu vaccines can contain aluminum, dangerous microorganisms and other toxic agents that are unsafe to touch, yet are included in some flu vaccines....they can go ahead and use people like you for guinea pigs....i will hold off for now...thanks

Jennifer Graber
Jennifer Graber
  • Jennifer Graber

Mild side effects of the live flu vaccine include runny nose or nasal congestion, headache and muscle aches, fever, cough, sore throat, wheezing, abdominal pain and vomiting or diarrhea. There have also been cases where the vaccine caused life-threatening allergic reactions, but this rarely occurs....i will risk getting the flu as a healthy adult with an intact immune sytem rather than potentially die from an allergic reaction...once again, thanks for your idiotic comments..

Jennifer Graber
Jennifer Graber
  • Jennifer Graber

You cannot say that putting any chemical, virus (dead or alive), carcinogen, or other foreign substance is without risk...these drug companies love to put fear in your minds that you must have it...it helps keep the $$$$$ going into their pockets...

Daniel Weinstein
Daniel Weinstein
  • Jennifer Graber

Jennifer Graber Boyle Thank you for your comments. You, assuming you are indeed a registered nurse, are making my argument for me. I appreciate your efforts.

Don Carter
Don Carter
  • Jennifer Graber

Please explain why you want thimerosol removed from the flu vaccine....How does that impact your decision not to get a flu shot?

Cindy Wheeler
Cindy Wheeler

I wouldn't take the vaccines they give for anything! They put things in them that will kill you! Read the labels if you don't believe me!

Wanda Marie Buys Forbes
Wanda Marie Buys Forbes
  • Cindy Wheeler

I never have had a flu shot!! I did get the shingles one though!!

Amy Jo Schultz
Amy Jo Schultz
  • Cindy Wheeler

women, not, men, gay

Gloria Jean Veal
Gloria Jean Veal
  • Cindy Wheeler

-We all should a an examination every year. Keep up with your health, even though you feel good. IT WON'T HURT, just save your life.

FrancesMarie McLaughlin
FrancesMarie McLaughlin
  • Cindy Wheeler

I think if your been offered a Vaccine what ever for Get It, offcourse every1 must choose but the gains outway any risks and I've seen this ist hand.

Jessika Devlin
Jessika Devlin
  • Cindy Wheeler

The flu shot is what killed a loved one of mine, because his immune system could not handel it, they have the option to get it, and if not they have to sign papers, it should not be mandatory, that's going against my right. I have never once gotten the flu shot, and I don't get the Flu, I always get something else, but the best way for your body to fight something is to let it fight it itself, there's to many medications for things, why do you think Penicillian is hardley useful anymore? It...

The flu shot is what killed a loved one of mine, because his immune system could not handel it, they have the option to get it, and if not they have to sign papers, it should not be mandatory, that's going against my right. I have never once gotten the flu shot, and I don't get the Flu, I always get something else, but the best way for your body to fight something is to let it fight it itself, there's to many medications for things, why do you think Penicillian is hardley useful anymore? It has been over used much like quite a few other drugs, soon there will be colds killing millions because our own medication can not even work. You have to remember your body is your best defence.

Lou Delnegro
Lou Delnegro
  • Cindy Wheeler

If you are a healthcare worker you should be vaccinated. and it is very important to protect patient's health.

Kelly Bray
Kelly Bray
  • Cindy Wheeler

You don't seem to understand the significance of the inserts. Nor do you understand dose dependent toxicity.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Cindy Wheeler

Cindy, I read the labels. I also understand them.

I don't believe you. But only because you are wrong.

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Cindy Wheeler

Not all vaccines are bad and Cindy Wheeler no one is trying to kill the American public with vaccines. Some of them are good and have a real place in medicine. Nevertheless, I do not support forcing medical care on anyone!

Kelly Bray
Kelly Bray

If you are a healthcare worker you should be vaccinated, period. Not just the flu but all vaccine preventable, communicable diseases. The only exemption should be for a valid medical reason. You are taking care of the most vulnerable people in society. If you cannot give them that kind of commitment, than you should find another job.

Mitchell Solovay
Mitchell Solovay
  • Kelly Bray

Yeah, all healthcare workers should be vaccinated.

Beverley Fletcher
Beverley Fletcher
  • Kelly Bray

Dont forget its also safe for the care worker to be protected from society, works both ways!!

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Kelly Bray

Uhm...I am nurse that is quite capable of making intelligent, informed decisions about MY OWN healthcare. I practice SAFE care at all times. In fact I do a lot of things for people that their own family and friends couldn't and wouldn't do for them. But I also have RIGHTS to make choices for MYSELF. I assure you Kelly M. Bray that you would be lucky to have this unvaccinated nurse care for you if you were ill. I am in the EXACT correct profession. But I urge you to learn a bit more about...

Uhm...I am nurse that is quite capable of making intelligent, informed decisions about MY OWN healthcare. I practice SAFE care at all times. In fact I do a lot of things for people that their own family and friends couldn't and wouldn't do for them. But I also have RIGHTS to make choices for MYSELF. I assure you Kelly M. Bray that you would be lucky to have this unvaccinated nurse care for you if you were ill. I am in the EXACT correct profession. But I urge you to learn a bit more about what you speak of and consider ALL of the implications that factor into PERSONAL choice!

Nancy Barrett
Nancy Barrett
  • Kelly Bray

My mom was in a nursing home where a supervisor came to work sick with diarrhea. She gave it to the whole South wing and my mom caught a very bad form of diarrhea known as C-dif. This weakened her and hastened her death. The supervisor was dumb and uncaring to bring this to a nursing home. When I went to visit my mom, my brother-in-law and I could not touch her or kiss her or hug her, because we both have metal splints in us, and that makes us more prone to have a bad infection around the area where the metal is.

Nancy Barrett
Nancy Barrett
  • Kelly Bray

Amanda M Stermer Please read my post about my mom's earlier death and decreased quality of life because a health care worker came to work with C-dif diarrhea. If you're not vaccinated, you could bring me pertussis and I have weak lungs from parents who smoked, asthma and allergies. You could kill me.

Kim Segmiller
Kim Segmiller
  • Kelly Bray

I am so sorry Nancy to here about your Mama's Horrible Death ! I also understand on all levels of your very valid Concerns no one will truly understand until they them self's have to see your Loved one Pass Away from Preventable Infectious Diseases!!!! Your In a very Compromising Position because of yore Lungs.. My Heart goes out too You . God Bless You Sweetie your in My Thoughts and Prayers :) Kim and Family...

Kelly Bray
Kelly Bray
  • Kelly Bray

You are an LvN that was licensed in 2011. You took a one year JC course to become that. it seems you did not learn enough. If you don't believe in vaccines than you obviously are not qualified to care for patients. They come first, not you. If you do not vaccinate as your employer requires than you should be fired. I would not let an incompetent like yourself have anything to with myself or my family.

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Kelly Bray

Nancy Barrett, I respect what you are saying and I am not against ALL vaccinations. I refuse to take the Flu vaccine in particular. It is simply an educated guess as to what strains are circulating that particular year, as evidenced by the need to have a separate shot for H1N1 a few years ago. However, vaccines are NOT prevention or cures for anything! C-Dif. MRSA, VRE etc. can't be vaccinated against. But most importantly, you can't vaccinate against bad/irresponsible practices and...

Nancy Barrett, I respect what you are saying and I am not against ALL vaccinations. I refuse to take the Flu vaccine in particular. It is simply an educated guess as to what strains are circulating that particular year, as evidenced by the need to have a separate shot for H1N1 a few years ago. However, vaccines are NOT prevention or cures for anything! C-Dif. MRSA, VRE etc. can't be vaccinated against. But most importantly, you can't vaccinate against bad/irresponsible practices and decisions which is what it sounds like you encountered. Vaccinations are an exposure to a low or inactive form of a "germ" in an attempt to cause the immune system to create a "memory" to fight the "germ" when encountered again in a high dose. Health care professionals, that are practicing good care, are exposed to things in much the same way without injecting substances into their bodies. My immune system has a "memory" to many things that the average person does not. I also wash my hands, use sanitizers, wear maskes where appropriate and do not work when I am ill. But I WILL not expose myself to the risks associated with the Flu shot when it is nothing more than a guess preserved in mercury!

Amanda M Stermer
Amanda M Stermer
  • Kelly Bray

BTW....anyone with asthma should be cautious of mercury!

Patricia Hacker Caceres

Most flu shots are preserved with Mercury. If you have Fibromaralgia, Asthma etc.. Ask for the flu shot without the Mercury. The Mercury (if you are sensative) can cause you to feel sick. Maybe thats why people say the flu shot makes them sick.

April Fee
April Fee
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

You need to check it out further, so please go to infowars.com or watch the Alex Jones channel on YouTube.

Dorothy Florence Chambers
Dorothy Florence Chambers
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

direct me to more on mercury as and imediate response. I knew is has long term dnagers

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

Your serum levels, and worse your long term serum levels, of "mercury" are far higher from a tuna sandwich than a flu vaccination.

Thimerosal does not bio accumulate as does most mercury you come into contact with. There is zero evinced linking the mercury *compound* used in vaccines with any auto immune disease.

Infowars is a crank site with no reliable information.

Patricia Bowling
Patricia Bowling
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

Thanks Patricia.. i have both... will do..

Victoria Coghill
Victoria Coghill
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

Funny enough, people argue about vaccinations. Why don't we all just take/get enough vitamin D to actually do some therapeutic good and not get sick in the first place?

Indu Patel
Indu Patel
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

Doc... to save life....
nt..... to take life

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

Victoria and Jessica have both got it confused.

For starters this is specifically about health care workers. They are often in contact with vulnerable people. People who are immune compromised or otherwise more susceptible.

Secondly some people cannot be vaccinated.

Thirdly some people are too young to be vaccinated.

Finally vaccines are not 100% effective and a small percentage of people will remain susceptible.

For all these reasons it is imperative that as many people that can be...

Victoria and Jessica have both got it confused.

For starters this is specifically about health care workers. They are often in contact with vulnerable people. People who are immune compromised or otherwise more susceptible.

Secondly some people cannot be vaccinated.

Thirdly some people are too young to be vaccinated.

Finally vaccines are not 100% effective and a small percentage of people will remain susceptible.

For all these reasons it is imperative that as many people that can be vaccinated are vaccinated. This is especially true for health care workers who are exposed to more people who are at larger risk.

Jessica, yes not all diseases are covered. Why does that mean we should not protect from those diseases that we can?

Dragana Timotic
Dragana Timotic
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

Of course, and if you have a weak heart like my neighbor did, then you can die within two days after the flu vaccine (like he did)! The doctor who came to examine him said: "He died because of the shot, but I'm not allowed to write this as a cause of death." It would have been better if he had a nurse with flu! There were not so many vaccines in the past, and children were healthier. Today, we have all possible vaccines and very young children get cancer, autism, leukemia. My grandmothers...

Of course, and if you have a weak heart like my neighbor did, then you can die within two days after the flu vaccine (like he did)! The doctor who came to examine him said: "He died because of the shot, but I'm not allowed to write this as a cause of death." It would have been better if he had a nurse with flu! There were not so many vaccines in the past, and children were healthier. Today, we have all possible vaccines and very young children get cancer, autism, leukemia. My grandmothers died after 100 years, and I am happy that my son got not a single shot - in his 15 years he went NEVER to a doctor. He will also have a long and healthy life. You should read more: Merck vaccine scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admitted presence of SV40, AIDS and cancer viruses in vaccines http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html#ixzz1Y6RbLPvz
It is important to realize that the reaction of the immune system to the injected vaccine is only known partially: "It has been observed frequently that antibody levels do not go hand in hand with immunity to the disease... The investigation of the second branch of immunity, the cell mitigated immune response, has been technically much more difficult and turned out to be very complex ... There exists now a large number of experimental data and insights into the different mechanisms of the cell mitigated immune response including their interactions among each other and with the humoral immune system. Despite that fact, we have only fragmentary knowledge about the concrete role of the cell mitigated immune response to an infection by isolated pathogenes in the human body." BRANDIS H, Medizinische Mikrobiologie 1994, S.268
You should also read a statement of a GREAT physician Dr. Jane Orient http://www.aapsonline.org/testimony/jmotf.htm
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/aaps.html

Dragana Timotic
Dragana Timotic
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres
Martin Smith
Martin Smith
  • Patricia Hacker Caceres

Dragons, the flu would have been much more likely to kill him than the vaccine.

The whole friend of a friend anecdote is worthless.

Here's another anecdote. The flu vaccine saved eleventybillion people I know. Doctors all know it but can't write it down.

Anecdotes are uselss.

Yes thimerosal in the quantities in vaccines is safe

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