My personal opinion is yes I think it's a good idea. But I feel that people should still have the right to choose if they want to. It's as simple as that! For whatever reason they have!
I think they should. While I normally side on personal choice, within reasonable bounds, There are some areas where a person must conform within a set of rules if they choose to participate in that activity. For instance, football uniforms are uncomfortable, especially when it is near 100 degrees. However, if a person plays in the NFL for a living, they don't have the choice whether or not to wear the basic required uniform.
Since medical workers deal directly with others, many of which...
Since medical workers deal directly with others, many of which have compromised immune systems, they should be made to be vaccinated against every thing possible (at the expense of the healthcare facility) as long as the complications as a result of the vaccine are rare.
Since these workers are specifically delaling with the health of others, they should be required to take the vaccinations as their choice could have a direct impact on others.
Vaccines = danger = big profits for irresponsible Big Pharma which puts money before safety.
I respect how you feel Jerry but I don't think it should be mandatory for them. They already take precautions when working with people.
Yvonne Bridges The precautions are not enough. If they can't follow the guidelines their work lays out then they should leave. It is more dangerous to drive a vehicle than get a flu shot. If your job required you to drive and you said no, do you expect to keep your job?
Yvonne Bridges I'm Ok about it being a choice to not be vaccinated so long as I have the choice as a patient to not be treated by unvaccinated workers. You give me my choice and I'll give you yours.
Well Daniel I imagine that is a possibility because there are those people that choose to get vaccinated verses those that chose not to. So there you are, it's a choice! The way it should be.
Yvonne Bridges Am I allowed to know if you've been vaccinated or not, and I can ban you from treating me or my family if you're not vaccinated you can have whatever choice you want.
Kelly M. Bray that is NOT true for everyone. Family history and genetics play a role in healthcare decisions. BTW...please see my reply regarding my licensing. I am a military spouse that was originally licensed in another state under my maiden name...hence the 2011 license in CA! But feel free to spend your time "investigating" my credentials, it is flattering!
Valid medical exemption? Fine. Prefer to not get the shot for no real reason? Not okay.
Nobody should ever be forced to do anything Americans need to stop being greedy and stay home when they are sick vaccines have need been proven to be 100%.
Yeah, nobody should be forced to wear seatbelts, or feed their kids, or send them to school, or not display porn outside primary schools...
Well, I'm an Australian. And even Americans are forced to pay taxes.
Martin Smith that is not exactly what we are talking about here. Most nurses, doctors etc. love what they do and have their patient's best interest at heart! I know that I do and I don't do anything that would compromise them. But that doesn't mean that I expose myself to unnecessary risk in order to care for them. The flu shot poses risks for me based upon family history. Therefore, mandating it as a requirement to work is a problem. I cannot get a Dr.'s excuse b/c I personally have not...
Martin Smith that is not exactly what we are talking about here. Most nurses, doctors etc. love what they do and have their patient's best interest at heart! I know that I do and I don't do anything that would compromise them. But that doesn't mean that I expose myself to unnecessary risk in order to care for them. The flu shot poses risks for me based upon family history. Therefore, mandating it as a requirement to work is a problem. I cannot get a Dr.'s excuse b/c I personally have not had a reaction, but that very well maybe only b/c I do not take it. Can you not see where forcing me to choose between my health and my career, not a job, my career is troublesome? Guillain-Barré syndrome is not exactly a fever or the sniffles and that is a very REAL, potential side effect of the flu shot!
The problem is your unnecessary risk is a myth.
Medical exemptions aside, the relative risk ratio is firmly in favour of vaccinating.
Your premise is faulty.
Amanda what do you think the risk of the flu is. Is GBS a risk of the flu?
GBS is in fact a higher risk of the flu than of the flu vaccine.
Your logic and facts are both faulty.
The risk of the vaccine is much lower than the risk of the flu. So you are not risking your health to protect your patients. You are protecting your health and your patients.
Martin Smith wow you get it that great no child should be force into enslaved public schools and porn is way better then what you see on law and order. or the garbage they call news or any brainwashig christian programing. Most of all law that protect us from ourselves are a waist of time.
Conspiracy theory, last refuge of the illogical argument.
No consiracy theory involved my ideas are all personal experience and OPINION I just seriously believe in choice all around thats how you pick out the trash to avoid in your life. Also in my experience as well as Amanda vaccines are not enough of a guaranty to force people the medical industry can more then afford to always have a back up. the only guaranty is to stay home when you are sick end of story. And where do you live that porn is displayed in primary schools or what exactly do you consider porn.
Satire is just another word to you isn't it?
You don't actually make a coherent argument.
The porn, seatbelt etc analogy was a satire of your first comment. It is called reduction ad absurdum. It demonstrates the illogic of your premise by showing how absurd the premise would be if applied fully.
we have human rights for everything these days except for real choice! Insisting that all health care workers are vacinated simply opens the door to insisting others have other vacinations and so on... who knows where it will take us. Helath Care workers should be well informed of both the risks and advantages of having the vacination and then have the informed choice as to whether they avail themselves of it or not.
hey...while we are at it lets force every one to be vaccinated. your children attending school or are being home schooled and you who are working or not....what's wrong don't you like having your freedom of choice taken away. when you take the freedom of choice away from one group you open up the possibility of your own rights to be taken away.
It is everyones jobs to protect our envirovment.
I'm not sure because personally I don't get cause I get really sick from it.
If health workers are to be vacinated. Then one has to ask should everyone that goes in to visit a patient be vacinated. I think the charter of Human Rights would have something to say about that ;-)
First, that does not follow. Second, if your grandmother is in the hospital you should definitely have had a flu shot before visiting her. The flu is a killer.
Phlippa what happens when a life is lost due to these issues ? Would you say the same thing? I would hope not one HUMAN BEING TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.....
I am not saying that it is not needed for health professionals to be vacinated but it must be pointed out that visitors also have a duty to those who they visit. Simple things like washing their hands when they enter and leave a ward, staying away when they have a cold, following ward rules ie not sitting on patients beds, only two visitors a time at a bedside. Our nurses doctors ect strive to do their best and get very little thanks. For the rate of infection to be reduced it is the role and duty of everyone.
Agreed. I would point out that healthcare workers go from patient to patient, most of whom are sick, and some are likely to have the flu. Their chance of passing on the flu is much greater than a visitor's. But yes, visitor should also be vaccinated and wash their hands.
Miss Kelly you are 100% Correct. With all the Infectious Diseases being responsible for so many Deaths it's a no brainier It's a Must! One Life lost from preventable Diseases is one to many.. My Mother was a Nurse from 1960 to 2011 and she would say unless Your Vaccinated you do not belong WORKING in the Healthcare Field.... I wan't this to be known first of all as of today All Healthcare Personal Play A Very Large Part in regards too these Communicable Diseases Spreading from one PERSON...
Miss Kelly you are 100% Correct. With all the Infectious Diseases being responsible for so many Deaths it's a no brainier It's a Must! One Life lost from preventable Diseases is one to many.. My Mother was a Nurse from 1960 to 2011 and she would say unless Your Vaccinated you do not belong WORKING in the Healthcare Field.... I wan't this to be known first of all as of today All Healthcare Personal Play A Very Large Part in regards too these Communicable Diseases Spreading from one PERSON to ANOTHER, for reasons like not following the guidelines set Forth From Our Infectious Disease Department! Washing Your Hands, Wearing Gloves , Gowns, and Shields if needed! If you all did your part their would be no need for these Measures. Like it or not if you have or had a Loved One in the Hospital that contracted a Disease what would you say then? I would hope one would do what's best for Your Loved One and All Human Beings.. What I'm saying is from first hand Experiences! My Family and I Lost Our Father 7-18-12...He Fought for his Life for 10 Long Months! These SUPER-BUGS as we call Bacteria's! This could have been Prevented! Do What's Best For Yourself And The Public. I would never wish this on ANYONE!
There is so much argument for and against immunizations. I cannot determine which is correct.
"Yes. Protecting the health of patients is essential" but also protecting the health of the care worker, works both ways!
I wouldn't take the vaccines they give for anything! They put things in them that will kill you! Read the labels if you don't believe me!
its not just for us health wokers need to have the flujab.what would we do if they got it.and there were not enough doctors and nurses to look after us.we would moan bout it.they work so hard to take care of us.and we should be proud of that.so don't make them but think 95per cent would want to do it.
I am a health care worker and it should up to me to be or not to be vaccinated. if I do get the flu I would know to call in sick. for someone to say I put my patients at risk because I do not get vaccinated is not backed by any studies. show me the facts that state otherwise, then we can talk.
Only those who are allergic to eggs and whatever else are listed on the consent form should be exempt. Others should have to wear masks... Same stupid logic that people are using to refuse to fill someone's Rx because it is against their religion. It is a job, not a right..
I am a Nurse and my husband is an active duty USAF Officer. We are both VERY committed to serving our fellow man. I assure you all that we make MANY personal sacrifices in the course of doing so. But I do not accept that my choice to care for you and your loved ones; somehow relinquishes all of my rights to make my own medical choices.
Vaccinations can cause adverse reactions an not every healthcare provider shares the same religious views about all westernized medicine practices. A...
Vaccinations can cause adverse reactions an not every healthcare provider shares the same religious views about all westernized medicine practices. A commitment to provide YOU quality care in accordance to YOUR beliefs doesn't mean that we all would make the same choices for ourselves. People can develop Guillain-Barré Syndrome (a severe paralytic illness, also called GBS) that occurred after receiving influenza vaccine. If that illness is prevalent within your family genetics but you have not had the specific reaction to the flu shot; then you are not exempted from such mandated shots. Perhaps as an educated healthcare professional, I should be afforded the right to decide what is best for ME and MY family. Perhaps I should also have some rights o preserve HIPAA for my family and not disclose ALL of the intimate details of their medical history.
Our society of law and order is based upon precedent. So giving up freedom of choice in one area, opens the door to interpretation and loss of other freedoms. The sense of entitlement to stripping me of my rights on this thread is admittedly a bit offensive and quite alarming! My whole family chooses to run into situations, and render aid, when most folks are running out as fast as they can. So before people like Kelly start telling me what career choices and health care choices that I should be making; let us ALL remember that I am an American, living in America. Men and women like my husband work very hard to be sure that we have RIGHTS and FREEDOMS that I will never surrender to anyone!
You do now that vaccinations are not 100% effective and carry potential side effects and problems for certain people? Blanket policy about Healthcare is bad practice and dangerous!
I am an RN. I worked for more than 22 years in acute care settings. After the SARS epidemic led to many deaths including nursing staff, I began to take the flu vaccine. I got sick 2 years in a row. I was then diagnosed with MS and was told that taking the flu vaccine was best for me, so I did. I became ill every time that I took it. The last one I took was the H1N1 vaccine. I had an mild exacerbation of my MS. I will NOT take another flu vaccine. Why? because the vaccine itself is...
I am an RN. I worked for more than 22 years in acute care settings. After the SARS epidemic led to many deaths including nursing staff, I began to take the flu vaccine. I got sick 2 years in a row. I was then diagnosed with MS and was told that taking the flu vaccine was best for me, so I did. I became ill every time that I took it. The last one I took was the H1N1 vaccine. I had an mild exacerbation of my MS. I will NOT take another flu vaccine. Why? because the vaccine itself is made up of components that is only THOUGHT to be the ones that will cause the yearly 'flu' epidemic. It sometimes holds components that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL VIRUS THAT IS CAUSING THE GREATEST PROBLEM. So why would I risk my health every single year, taking the vaccine, becoming sick, having my chronic disease worsened, just to appease others?
Jennifer, I don't know where you read that nurses getting vaccinated is something done just to appease others. The point is to protect vulnerable patients who are at a high degree of risk while in the care of nurses. Since you can't get the flu from the vaccine something else may have been making you sick. You may have an allergy to eggs. I don't know. As a nurse you most definitely should know. And as a nurse I would ask how you protect your patients from your own potential influenza....
Jennifer, I don't know where you read that nurses getting vaccinated is something done just to appease others. The point is to protect vulnerable patients who are at a high degree of risk while in the care of nurses. Since you can't get the flu from the vaccine something else may have been making you sick. You may have an allergy to eggs. I don't know. As a nurse you most definitely should know. And as a nurse I would ask how you protect your patients from your own potential influenza. No one is arguing that the flu vaccine is perfect, but it's the best protection we have. So if you have a medical reason for not getting the flu then you may have to wear a mask - no fun, but that's how you protect your patients.
I am assuming that your reactions to the normal flu vaccines such as H1N1 are atypical due to your condition with MS. However, if you were serving as a nurse for me, I would require that you submit a doctors certified regarding your inability to tolerate flu vaccine. Moreover, I would require that you be assigned to patients whose risk for adverse outcomes from exposure to flu virus of many different kinds would be very low and I would require you to wear a mask at all times when you are working with patients.
Mr. Carter, I do not know who you are, or who you think you are to make such demands upon another individual. Your attitude and comments are exceptionally biased and grounded on discrimination. Time for you to read the information about the efficacy of yearly flu vaccines along with the components of such.
My immunity is extremely high, I don't think it is right for someone to tell us that we have to have a flu shot... Yeah, I understand getting the more important vaccinations but a FLU SHOT? Seriously? What are you going to tell me to put in my body next? Maybe a fungal infected serum for pain treatment in my spine that will cause me to get fungal meningitis? The flu shot should NOT be a required immunization.. if it does become that I guarantee there will be a sudden increase in eggs for an allergy..
I don't like the government telling me I have to get a flu shot.... even though I get them sometimes, I don't like to be forced
I have never gotten any vaccinations. ever. but that's just me.
There are research papers saying that flu vaccine is not effective or safe. But so what? Even if the research is from the reliable sources, we will ignore this, and we will see what we want to see.
So let’s talk about some common sense.
The fact is that vaccination does NOT stop you from carrying bacteria or viruses in your nose, in your throat, in your intestines, in your airway, on your skin, or in your body. Especially if you go to the hospital, the chance of getting sick from virus...
So let’s talk about some common sense.
The fact is that vaccination does NOT stop you from carrying bacteria or viruses in your nose, in your throat, in your intestines, in your airway, on your skin, or in your body. Especially if you go to the hospital, the chance of getting sick from virus will be increased. You should not touch door knobs, should not go to bathroom, should not sit in the chair, should not touch pencils, etc…. because virus is everywhere especially in hospital.
But many do not understand the significance of this fact, and have been made to believe that if you’re vaccinated, you won’t carry viruses, and therefore, others will be protected because you’re vaccinated. As it turns out, this belief is NOT based on scientific fact.
As a patient what you want to see from the healthcare providers is not the sign says “I am vaccinated.” What you want to see is “I just washed my hands.”.
If your not edjucated on what the flu vaccine actually is...what it covers...and not its benifits but the fact that..like asprin or any antibiotic, our bodies are immune..... practicing hand washing and proper health codes I believe is all you need. Its the health care workers right to chose...as they know best.
If they know best, why do we need the Joint Commission checking up on hospitals?
Pardon me but thats just a stupid question... Everything on this earth gets "checked up on" thats called making money.....do you really think they fix the wrongs on anything???
Absolutely. I've worked in Magnet hospitals and I've worked in very much not, I notice a difference all the way from the attitude of the staff to number of times a day nurses wash their hands. I've been in hospital NICU's where nurses didn't even use alcohol between babies. It's not until they get docked that you can bet the hospital is about to institute new policy.
Good cross infection control is key to stopping the spread of infection. Without this you could have every healthcare worker vaccinated on a ward but if there is poor cross infection control all your efforts will be fruitless. Remember hand washing, using barrier methods and having a clean healthcare enivorment and staying away when you are not well is key in reducing infection.
I feel anyone who god forbid needs to go or be in the hospital should be as safe & healthy as possible! Health care workers getting certain shots Etc. should be just common sense & a no-brainer! You are there to help save lives not take them away especially if it's preventable! I am not in the health care field but I am getting my flu shot. Hopefully someday they will create a cold shot? Save yourself a lot of misery this fall & winter & get a flu shot!
I'm sorry but do not agree, you can get MS, Parkinsons etc and Die from the flu Vaccination, look it up side effects of influenza Jab, I know two people who have died from the flu Jab and one seriously ill who took it and GP's in UK get paid £10 plus for every patient.
I've had one flu injection in my life and was more sick that year than ever before - I will NEVER have it again. I would refuse to have it if it was a requirement for my job as I have rights too. More germs are passed through bad hygiene and correct hand washing or using a gel to clean your hands is far more effective at preventing germs being transmitted.
Totally agree on the hand washing issue - it's proven. However, I've had a flu injection every year for the past 5 years and not once had so much as a sniffle :)
I had my one and only flu injection years ago when I still worked at Shell - was sick on and off for nearly a year - whereas generally I rarely get flu and if I do, it's over in a day or two anyway. Hand washing has been proven to prevent the spread of germs - yet it amazes me how few people ever wash their hands during the course of the day!! Quite gross! I believe I am so healthy because I refuse to take medication or antibiotics, have very little faith in the medical profession. Why...
I had my one and only flu injection years ago when I still worked at Shell - was sick on and off for nearly a year - whereas generally I rarely get flu and if I do, it's over in a day or two anyway. Hand washing has been proven to prevent the spread of germs - yet it amazes me how few people ever wash their hands during the course of the day!! Quite gross! I believe I am so healthy because I refuse to take medication or antibiotics, have very little faith in the medical profession. Why with all the drugs they're constantly manufacturing and selling and inflicting on the fearful public are people even more sick and dying than ever before - because sickness and disease pays.
The flu injection is essential for anyone over 60 with health problems.
Flu shot over my dead body, yes I am a healthcare worker
Possibly, depend on the strain you catch.
Very few people in my dept get the flu shot, statistically more people we work with who had the shot get the flu. I will never put that toxic slew of chemical and biological waste in my body,
Had you still been alive you could have watched it fly by. (sorry, bad joke)
You are making my point. Healthcare workers can't be depended upon to put their patient's safety first.