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Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

Whatever the lifestyle and purpose of an individual they should be treated as a person and if they break the law they should be punished according to the law I think if someone thru a rock at me and I killed them dead I would suffer the consequences to those actions and sooooo should the police murderers!

John Patrick Mullan
John Patrick Mullan
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

Sorry Barbara you would get cleared by reason of self defence

Crystal Lena
Crystal Lena
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

John Patrick Mullan Sorry Officer Mullan, but I have personally witnessed a woman go to prison who in the commission of a rape stabbed her attacker once to get away, killing him without meaning to, and got LIFE - she did not get self defense and get off. A rock vs a gun - OVERKILL. A taser is more than effective and police officers are trained in other methods of restraint. Why not use that training instead of fire first and ask questions later?

John Patrick Mullan
John Patrick Mullan
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

Crystal Lena Crystal I would like to hear about this case. Life would mean she was convicted of murder 1, premeditated murder. My guess is that after the rape she stabbed the guy. Am I right? If during the rape she stabbed she would most likely not have even been charged. So there is more to the story I am sure. So please share and I will explain what you saw. As for the use of force or what is called the force continuum, Rock Vs Gun in fact is not overkill. Whenever an officer is faced...

Crystal Lena Crystal I would like to hear about this case. Life would mean she was convicted of murder 1, premeditated murder. My guess is that after the rape she stabbed the guy. Am I right? If during the rape she stabbed she would most likely not have even been charged. So there is more to the story I am sure. So please share and I will explain what you saw. As for the use of force or what is called the force continuum, Rock Vs Gun in fact is not overkill. Whenever an officer is faced with resistance / attack he is allowed to go one step above the resistance / attack to control the suspect. It is called reasonable force necessary. So if you are resisting physically I can use open hand controls, fist, mace / pepper spray baton. If you escalate to a weapon I have the right to go to my gun. Sorry this is what happens when you bring a rock to a gun fight. My issue with the whole case is they are attempting to make it about race. The numbers say that the city is a majority minority city, so naturally any interaction with the police will be mostly with minorities. Not to mention the fact that the crime stats nationwide show that minorities commit more crimes than non-minorities.

Abel Sanchez
Abel Sanchez
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

John Patrick Mullan another good question is, Why don't they have there own people serving there own community then, right? If you know what I mean. I'm 75% with you but,there is a lot missing. Well let that same communities people become cops and police your area.

John Patrick Mullan
John Patrick Mullan
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

Abel Sanchez How about this Abel you test to get the job and the test is colour blind. The top scores are the ones that get hired. Now some states have consent deegres that force hieing of minorities over people with higher scores. Yup my state was one of them. And this is how that works you tell me if it's fair. I started taking the test in 1978 took it every 2 years until 1991 never scored below a 98. I was a cop in the military SWAT TEAM member trained by the FBI and I went to 2nd...

Abel Sanchez How about this Abel you test to get the job and the test is colour blind. The top scores are the ones that get hired. Now some states have consent deegres that force hieing of minorities over people with higher scores. Yup my state was one of them. And this is how that works you tell me if it's fair. I started taking the test in 1978 took it every 2 years until 1991 never scored below a 98. I was a cop in the military SWAT TEAM member trained by the FBI and I went to 2nd level RANGER school, yet I never got hired. I filed a suit and 2 years later me and 60 others who filed got on. So at 37 I go into the police academy and come out 3rd in academics and 2nd in physical training. I now work beside the guys I was by passed for and they all got 70s on the test.They are getting ready to retire with full pensions and me well I get to go another ten years and because of the time I will have on at 65 I will get 70% of my pension. Oh and did I mention these cops I work with that I was bypassed for won't make a pimple on a real cops ass, they have done nothing in the 30 years they have been on the job. Now I know what you are going to say. They had to get the minorities in. I say BULL$HIT they should be held to the same standards just like in the military. But since I know most wont agree with me because it is not P C, let me ask this. If you where going into have brain surgery who would you want doing it, #1 Guy who graduated top of his class Harvard Medical School and got there by his hard work and academics. Or # 2 the guy who graduated last in his class and was given a full boat because he was given preferential treatment. And lets just throw into the mix #1 is black and #2 is a women and we will keep those evil white people out of it, And keep this in mind because I know you are going to say apples and oranges. A Police Officer is the only job in the country where you can take a life without a trial. I would say that's a mighty heavy responsibility so you better know the law and how it is applied. I also don't know what the make up is of the department, but most CA department require a 2 year degree

Philip Guglielmelli
Philip Guglielmelli
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

Besides, you can't throw things at the cop's.I don't care if you like em or not.and if you do there will be guy's like me who will put a boot in your ass. Truth is we owe them (cop's) a lot more respect then their getting. I can say that even though I disagree now and then.let the record reflect

Vince Wike
Vince Wike
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

being a cop is a hard job, i wish you would get that. imagine you are given the job of protecting civilans from harm, and some dirt bag wont listen to your commands to stop throwing rocks or to simply disperse. at some point you either give up your job annd fail the citizens or you buck up and do what has to be done

Vince Wike
Vince Wike
  • Barbara Ruth Castro Castillo

YOU are missing some facts there Crystal. no one went to prison in the way you stated. there was more to that story..............much more

Beverly Fay
Beverly Fay

I don't know the whole story I don't live in these oeoples neighborhoods and don't know what they deal with, and I also know what a diffecult and brave job being a police officer is, however like any job of authority you have your officers who take it to a violent and degrading degree becouse they can and that's just not exceptable! I agree that an investagation should happen and a very thorough one at that!

Todd Mcmanus
Todd Mcmanus
  • Beverly Fay

been on the recieving end of police miss conduct and can say it is more prevalant than people know or want to know. i think a large amount of america's police force were bullioed as children and are just trying to get back at the world

Douglas Woiwod
Douglas Woiwod

Guns and crystal meth, not a good combination. Meth is a evil that needs to be dealt with, with whatever means possible, that's all.

Thomas Santoro
Thomas Santoro
  • Douglas Woiwod

I don't know if Afghanistan is the place for rehab Wess, as they grow the best heroin in the world over there along with just about everything else that can get you hooked.....

Abel Sanchez
Abel Sanchez

Does anyone understand this country has Human Rights. Go to another country if your don't like it here. Human rights, not gang affiliation rights, human rights. If you are human you already smell the coffee. Every one else move to Antarctica. Breaking the law is breaking the law but being judged by the law is for the courts to decide. other wise it would be martial law.

Crystal Lena
Crystal Lena
  • Abel Sanchez

Abel, I like your posts, but unfortunately we HAD human rights until the Patriot Act and provisions allow Americans to now be treated like terrorists if there is suspicion. You could be picked up and taken away to a secret court, found guilty,waterboarded, among many other torturous activities and none of your family would even know where you were or what the accusations against you were. Sadly, this is not the America I was born in. It has changed since 9/11. We have it better than...

Abel, I like your posts, but unfortunately we HAD human rights until the Patriot Act and provisions allow Americans to now be treated like terrorists if there is suspicion. You could be picked up and taken away to a secret court, found guilty,waterboarded, among many other torturous activities and none of your family would even know where you were or what the accusations against you were. Sadly, this is not the America I was born in. It has changed since 9/11. We have it better than many, but with new laws in place, I don't know for how long. To be gunned down on the street is severe and all this I'm reading on this page about Latinos bothers me a lot. Racism is alive and well. I don't like gangs or gang activity. However, I do not think shooting a suspected gang member twice (a kill shot involved) who was unarmed will ever be alright regardless their affiliation.

Lillie Kelly
Lillie Kelly

Yes, it should be investigated..Needless to say, everyone is human and can do wrong, even the officers. Unfortunately, the officers involved will not be treated like normal citizens. They will probably get off being that they have authority as so many abuse it.It is so much of this injustice, in our country.

Vince Wike
Vince Wike
  • Lillie Kelly

lilley do you have any idea how many officers are watchin and waiting for a fellow officer to break the law so they CAN rat them out? thats how it really works in copworld..................there is no comrodery like you see on TV.

Terry Montoya
Terry Montoya

it is not becues thay are mexican, blacks , or low income famleys. its becues thay did sumthing rong. don't use the race card if you are rong , you are rong.

don't blame it on the cops thay are just doing ther job. if the people that is in truble git hirt becues of ther stoped nus don't do it.and don't play the race card that don't fly with us native indian.

Abel Sanchez
Abel Sanchez
  • Terry Montoya

It is because they are human and live in a poverty stricken area. Don't use your heritage as a shield. Use your humanity card. Did the kid have a gun no he was shot two times once in the back and the second time in the head. That's a make sure shot. Im sure if he thought before he made the shot he would have made a call for back up. Hey shoot in the air. Warning shot something.

Russell Scattone
Russell Scattone

Before calling the Fed's what has the City, County and State agencies done. If anything keep the feds out of it.

James Volant
James Volant
  • Russell Scattone

I appreciate all the comments, some rather stupid though. Being a Viet Nam Vet. I know the value and cost of Freedom of Speech so this is good. I was also a State Trooper for 36 years. I agree if there is evidence of a wrongful shooting, it needs to be investigated. But I wonder how many of you really know the facts or are just repeating what the news feeds you. As for the comments about warning shots, they don't exist, dangerous to civilians and who knows where the bullet will go? and the...

I appreciate all the comments, some rather stupid though. Being a Viet Nam Vet. I know the value and cost of Freedom of Speech so this is good. I was also a State Trooper for 36 years. I agree if there is evidence of a wrongful shooting, it needs to be investigated. But I wonder how many of you really know the facts or are just repeating what the news feeds you. As for the comments about warning shots, they don't exist, dangerous to civilians and who knows where the bullet will go? and the comment about any cop that kills or wounds should be put on trial...well first off I would say "walk a mile in my shoes" before you label us all "BAD". I've been involved in several shootings while on the SWAT Team, and lives were saved .Any time you fire your weapon there is an investigation. That is how it's supposed to happen. One last comment to Erony Trapp: before you start calling Cops cowards, think about how many times Officers put their lives on the line for people they have never met. When the Twin Towers were burning, and everyone else was running away, the fireman AND Police were running IN, to save lives! Try not to judge until you KNOW the facts of the case. Keep the comments coming!!!

Valerie Harrell
Valerie Harrell

These were known gang members! It is disgusting how some are supporting these gang criminals with this petition! I refuse to sign!

Abel Sanchez
Abel Sanchez
  • Valerie Harrell

How do you know if they really were because of the area they were shot in? Because someone made a mistake and killed them and now lie's about there mistake. Supporting human life is like this . Next time please don't take the time to leave an opinion. It made me sick to be apart of this thing called humanity.

Erony Michelle-Haydee Trapp
Erony Michelle-Haydee Trapp
  • Valerie Harrell

Dear Valerie: I, ALSO DON'T LIKE GANGS, BUT the police has no right to execute anyone in the streets.
A suspect, has to be captured, by COPS WITH HABILITY AND KNOWLEDGE, well trained on HOW to perform that job.
On the other hand, they (the cops) may be trying to capture and arrest the wrong man. That is WHY THERE ARE COURTS of justice, in this land.

Cops, just counting in their uniform, badge and weapons, cannot determine anyone is a criminal, killing the person.
Cannot execute any human being, in the streets. Period !

Erony Michelle-Haydee Trapp
Erony Michelle-Haydee Trapp
  • Valerie Harrell

Reylan Berding Dear Mr. Reylan Berding: I agree with you, in every word ! Also, I am delighted and astonished by your brief, yet, so clear statement.
To me, that lady needs help. I totally agree with you: Hatred! Rage!
This is disgusting . . . It is so sad . . .

All the best, dear friend.

Erony Michelle-Haydee Trapp
Erony Michelle-Haydee Trapp
  • Valerie Harrell

Dear Valerie: Please, I need to emphasise what Reylan Berding said: No one here, is signing petition to condemn anybody, but: TO BE CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION. Only an investigation !

Please, seat down and think. If you cannot understand this, please, look for professional help.

All the best to you,

Peace.

Valerie Harrell
Valerie Harrell
  • Valerie Harrell

Erony Michelle Haydee Trapp I see you are from Brazil...Hmmmm.....enough said.

Philip Guglielmelli
Philip Guglielmelli
  • Valerie Harrell

People we all need to remember.You can not undermine the authority .We all have to understand it's not just about you or me .We are a nation .We are proud and we are not perfect.Those who serve in law and enforcement put their lives on the line everyday.They have been given the authority to up hold the law to serve and protect.Each and every officer has to make a decision.Even if we agree or disagree..You can not undermine authority that would lead us into chaos.Please respect are flag the...

People we all need to remember.You can not undermine the authority .We all have to understand it's not just about you or me .We are a nation .We are proud and we are not perfect.Those who serve in law and enforcement put their lives on the line everyday.They have been given the authority to up hold the law to serve and protect.Each and every officer has to make a decision.Even if we agree or disagree..You can not undermine authority that would lead us into chaos.Please respect are flag the star the car and the officer(even if he or she is an ass hole) don't alienate them or undermine their authority.That is not the answer.We can make it God Willing ~~~" I had a Dream" ~~~ Makes me proud

Jordan James Redford
Jordan James Redford

First off, it is HISPANIC, not Latino. Learn your nationalities. I will admit that the first one sounds suspicious, but the second one can very well be proper police behavior to prevent public endangerment. I do have a problem with this article. I have a feeling, just from reading it, that there is a lack of information, or information held back on both subjects to prevent readers from fully understanding the situation. I will never sign anything that doesn't have the full detail on a...

First off, it is HISPANIC, not Latino. Learn your nationalities. I will admit that the first one sounds suspicious, but the second one can very well be proper police behavior to prevent public endangerment. I do have a problem with this article. I have a feeling, just from reading it, that there is a lack of information, or information held back on both subjects to prevent readers from fully understanding the situation. I will never sign anything that doesn't have the full detail on a subject. Also, I feel gang member should be at least arrested on sight without warrant because of the blood the spill EVERYWHERE in the city, and all the lives they destroy through murder, rape, human trafficking, and drug dealings. I have served and love the Hispanic population and With them despise the Hispanics that turn to gangs. Those Hispanics continually cause a rift in the general populations view on Hispanics.

Abel Sanchez
Abel Sanchez
  • Jordan James Redford

I understand your feeling but, as an American with out a separatice opinion. Every culture has gang affiliation. The problem is shoot first ask questions later. No one is Judge and jury. If your "AFRAID" wait for back up. There are other ways on dealing with people. "Think with your head not your gun."

Abel Sanchez
Abel Sanchez
  • Jordan James Redford

Those that break the law.

Josie Farias Lopez
Josie Farias Lopez
  • Jordan James Redford

@Jordan J Redford....there is NO nationality called HISPANIC! That was a word made-up during the REAGAN administration to put all LATINOS into one group. Just like they put all JAPANESE, CHINESE, & KOREAN into one group known as ASIANS. Somehow, that was suppose to be easier. Lump them all together! Well, I for one am an AMERICAN of MEXICAN decent. AND proud of it!! As for the shootings, they should all be investigated by an outside agency ....PERIOD!

Anthony Goffredo
Anthony Goffredo

Does anyone see all the crap that the police officers have to go through with the latino population? How about the offenses caused by the latinos? Where are those concerned citizens when the police are fired upon for doing their jobs? I would also be fed up with all the PC crap being shoved down my throat by the supposed majority/minority latinos! Hooray for the police!

Abel Sanchez
Abel Sanchez
  • Anthony Goffredo

So you like population control? Maybe they start on your side of town keep moving north. I hear there aren't any minorities in Antarctica. Bigot.

Anthony Goffredo
Anthony Goffredo
  • Anthony Goffredo

Who the hell cares about latinos. As long as they have a job and contribute like the rest of us!

Anthony Goffredo
Anthony Goffredo
  • Anthony Goffredo

The same can be said about you and the illegals here....thanks to the moron in the white house..

Rose M. Flores
Rose M. Flores
  • Anthony Goffredo

My opinion for what it is worth. First we do not have the full story. The Lame Stream Media will never give it to us. Lame is not a mistake...Second I have lived in areas where Mexicans have dominated - My house was robbed - my school age girls were beaten up -my boys were constantly bullied and threatened in and out of school - I was threatened - my car was stolen etc., etc.I'm not saying all are bad but more than a lot are really nasty.Third I almost hate the police because it seems to...

My opinion for what it is worth. First we do not have the full story. The Lame Stream Media will never give it to us. Lame is not a mistake...Second I have lived in areas where Mexicans have dominated - My house was robbed - my school age girls were beaten up -my boys were constantly bullied and threatened in and out of school - I was threatened - my car was stolen etc., etc.I'm not saying all are bad but more than a lot are really nasty.Third I almost hate the police because it seems to me that because they are police a lot of them think they have a license to kill. All police should have mental evaluations to prove they are not bias or bullies except to defend the public and rightful laws that protect citizens. P.S. I am not prejudiced I have a part Mexican and Apache granddaughter, a Filipino husband, half French nieces, half German Grandchildren... like United Nations. We don't know what happened. I can only agree to one wrong. You don't shoot a person in the back and then shoot him in the head except to murder. That was wrong and the only information that I gleamed out of this whole mess, but for sure radicals on either side are going to take advantage of this situation.

Lori Erickson
Lori Erickson
  • Anthony Goffredo

All of us are from other countries, except Native Indians' we all are desendents from other countries

tsastilqualus Umbas
tsastilqualus Umbas
  • Anthony Goffredo

america has always had a problem with illegals just ask any ndn.....bigots...

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