Michael Chilcott
Michael Chilcott

I disagree with BSL. Not all dogs of a certain breed are dangerous. Legislation should be in place to safeguard against INDIVIDUAL dogs that are a threat.

Let's apply the BSL logic to humans: if one person of a particular race poses a threat then all people of that race pose a threat. Racist and a completely invalid argument.

Why is the logic sound for dogs?

Dannielle Kirkpatrick
Dannielle Kirkpatrick
  • Michael Chilcott

Exactly! It is so refreshing to hear someone else say what I've been thinking :)

Gerda Strobl
Gerda Strobl
  • Michael Chilcott

Too funny, I wrote much the same without having seen your post!

Diane Davies
Diane Davies
  • Michael Chilcott

I think we should arrest and "euthanize" George Foreman. Sure, he is lovely guy, a Baptist minister, a successful entreprenuer, author, father and role model. But, he's a BIG GUY and he is trained to FIGHT - Heavyweight Champion boxer of the world TWICE. Think of how many people he hurt! He could hurt someone NOW. He could probably break you in two if he wanted to! And besides, he's black - and we all know blacks comprise 15% of the population, but commit 75% of the crime.... So why...

I think we should arrest and "euthanize" George Foreman. Sure, he is lovely guy, a Baptist minister, a successful entreprenuer, author, father and role model. But, he's a BIG GUY and he is trained to FIGHT - Heavyweight Champion boxer of the world TWICE. Think of how many people he hurt! He could hurt someone NOW. He could probably break you in two if he wanted to! And besides, he's black - and we all know blacks comprise 15% of the population, but commit 75% of the crime.... So why not arrest and put George Foreman "down" to protect the public??... If this sounds silly or offensive, it SHOULD. But, it is simply BSL logic applied to people. Start using the "George Foreman - trained fighter" logic and see what kind of reaction you get. BSL is nothing more than "Jim Crow" for dogs. It doesn't work, and it needlessly destroys lives. Those areas that have BSL should try focusing on regulations and outreach to promote RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP to protect both people AND dogs! It is a MUCH better use of public funds with a more productive outcome.

Frederick Newtz
Frederick Newtz
  • Michael Chilcott

Bob Cogs Great point Bob. The owner should take responsibility for their pets. If the pets get aggressive and there is cause for concern then that issue should be dealt with logically by the owners of the pet. There are so many dogs that are much more aggressive than pit bulls that are legal in many places.

Maybe pet shelters and other non-profit (or for profit) organizations should setup free or low cost training seminars to help people understand and raise their dogs according to...

Bob Cogs Great point Bob. The owner should take responsibility for their pets. If the pets get aggressive and there is cause for concern then that issue should be dealt with logically by the owners of the pet. There are so many dogs that are much more aggressive than pit bulls that are legal in many places.

Maybe pet shelters and other non-profit (or for profit) organizations should setup free or low cost training seminars to help people understand and raise their dogs according to their breeds. If this information was out there in multiple different mediums, including hands-on workshops, then I think that these problems would be reduced drastically. Education is the key here, not fear and blanket killing of animals because of their breed.

Michael Chilcott
Michael Chilcott
  • Michael Chilcott

@Bob Cogs, BSL does not identify INDIVIDUAL dogs that are a threat. BSL identifies ALL dogs of specified breeds as a threat whether or not an individual dog is a threat. And there in lies the problem with BSL. A dog that is not a threat is considered erroneously a threat because of the dog's breed and not because of the dog's temperament or deeds.

Additionally, BSL does not REGULATE identified dogs. BSL KILLS identified dogs and, in the BSL cases that I am aware of, has done so without...

@Bob Cogs, BSL does not identify INDIVIDUAL dogs that are a threat. BSL identifies ALL dogs of specified breeds as a threat whether or not an individual dog is a threat. And there in lies the problem with BSL. A dog that is not a threat is considered erroneously a threat because of the dog's breed and not because of the dog's temperament or deeds.

Additionally, BSL does not REGULATE identified dogs. BSL KILLS identified dogs and, in the BSL cases that I am aware of, has done so without confirmation of the dog's breed, without confirmation that the dog is actually a threat, and without considering non-lethal options for dogs that are a threat.

My answer to your question: 'And how does one determine a certain dog is a "threat" exactly?', is: A dog is a threat if there is a societal consensus that the dog's temperament or deeds are dangerous.

In the BSL cases I am aware of, the societal consensus of danger is, or was, lacking.

Dee Mag
Dee Mag
  • Michael Chilcott

any dog can go bad bob but usually it is because of humans being stupid that they turn maybe we should euthanize all the people who cause the problem that would solve it then the animals would have a chance.

Luiza Reboucas
Luiza Reboucas

BBC Channel4 says they will run a full investigation of Lennox's case if they receive a lot of e-mails asking for that.
Write to : [email protected].

Subject sugestion : Lennox - Investigate please!

Letter sample :
Dear sir, madam,

We, concerned people for all over the world, are asking you to please start an investigation into BCC regarding the Lennox case.
We strongly believe things have been covered up and the truth has not been told to the public.
We also believe that Lennox's...

BBC Channel4 says they will run a full investigation of Lennox's case if they receive a lot of e-mails asking for that.
Write to : [email protected].

Subject sugestion : Lennox - Investigate please!

Letter sample :
Dear sir, madam,

We, concerned people for all over the world, are asking you to please start an investigation into BCC regarding the Lennox case.
We strongly believe things have been covered up and the truth has not been told to the public.
We also believe that Lennox's dog warden, Alexandra Lightfoot, lied under oath, stating Lennox was the most dangerous dog she had ever met, while video tapes show Lennox licking her face and being submissive to her.
We know we can't bring Lennox back, but we do want to know what really happened in BCC and that the truth will come out.
Justice needs to be done and the truth needs to be told.
Therefor we plead you to investigate this case and bring out a news report.

For Lennox's sake, for all innocent dogs sake.

We thank you.

Sincerely......

Päivi Nyman
Päivi Nyman
  • Luiza Reboucas

I tried to send email,but it informed that address was wrong :-O

Luiza Reboucas
Luiza Reboucas
  • Luiza Reboucas

Hi Paiivi , I'm sorry but I think it is the dot after ....co.uk
Try again please because me and may friends have sent e-mails without any problem.. Let me know if you succeeded... And thanks for helping! <3
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Dannielle Kirkpatrick
Dannielle Kirkpatrick
  • Luiza Reboucas

I've sent my email :) thanks!

Inge Pleschette
Inge Pleschette
  • Luiza Reboucas

Yes, it was the dot! I sent now the second time a mail to Channel4 hopeful that it helps!

Luiza Reboucas
Luiza Reboucas
  • Luiza Reboucas

.......forbiding.....

Veronica Figueiredo
Veronica Figueiredo
  • Luiza Reboucas

E-mail sent!!!!!

Jeanette Mallowes
Jeanette Mallowes

Lennox was well gone before July 11th...BCC and the Judge that upheld the order because even he knew that Lennox had passed over, need to be held accountable for their lying, perjury, and manipulation of the law....BCC needs to answer to animal cruelty charges also...the least that should be done is for all those involved to be stood down pending a full investigation.

Renee Brace
Renee Brace
  • Jeanette Mallowes

Amen, Jeanette!

Jane Heltebrake
Jane Heltebrake
  • Jeanette Mallowes

There is another Lennox, in the making!! Nobelsville, Indiana.. Hamilton County Courts. Judge Greg Caldwell wants to euthanize a 3 year old Pit Bull, whose only violation, was escaping his yard!! His owners have repaired the privacy fence. A Petition is on Change.org. Save King from being euthanized. Please sign and circulate!!!

Mary Esther Judy
Mary Esther Judy
  • Jeanette Mallowes

Absolutely, Jeanette.

Diane Davies
Diane Davies
  • Jeanette Mallowes

Investigation or not, it is now up to the people of BELFAST to VOTE OUT their City Council and overturn the BSL ordinance. No one else can do that but them. Please support any efforts you see by those in Belfast, who opposed the euthanization of Lennox, to accomplish these ends.

Diane Davies
Diane Davies
  • Jeanette Mallowes

@ Jane: Where is the link to the Petition?

Donna Newby Hayes
Donna Newby Hayes
  • Jeanette Mallowes

Jane Heltebrake They also need to vote this Grey Caldwell out of the seat he is abusing! There is no place in our government for people without integrity and morals.

Saveallwolves RO
Saveallwolves RO
  • Jeanette Mallowes

AMEN JEANETTE!!!!

Alberta Riley
Alberta Riley
  • Jeanette Mallowes

Thankyou Jeanette, you said it all..

Sarah Butler
Sarah Butler
  • Jeanette Mallowes

Jane Heltebrake Thank you for the information. That is too close to home for me to sit by and let it happen. Down with BSL!!!! Sign & share far and wide!

Dee Mag
Dee Mag
  • Jeanette Mallowes

signed jane any updates about king???

Candace Lopes
Candace Lopes

It is the owner of the dog who makes the dog aggressive! Many pitbulls in South Africa are amazing family dogs, because they are trained and raised not to be an aggressive fighter! Yes they can be aggressive, if they are not in a loving home and feel threatened. So maybe the some people should be put to sleep!

Melissa Martin
Melissa Martin
  • Candace Lopes

I agree!!!!

Catherine Traversone
Catherine Traversone

It's the people that give breeds a bad name because of how they train the dogs, like the dog fighting jerks that turn dogs into dog aggressive animals. They're horrible. I'll never forgive Vicks for his part in dog fighting.

Julie Davis
Julie Davis
  • Catherine Traversone

what, ban certain breeds of dogs, then why not ban certain breeds of people, remember 911, hello

Shelli Madonia-price
Shelli Madonia-price

BIG SOLID NO!

Dame-Jj Miller
Dame-Jj Miller
  • Shelli Madonia-price

Absolutely BAN a particular person from owning a particular type of dog. But really, irresponsible people who raise dogs to be a community threat should be banned from any dogs...... I think the issue here really is that BSL was a cheap quick "solution" to a growing problem... Although community education and mandatory obedience training and socialisation would be far more effective, they think it would be too costly and time consuming to enforce... Isn't it is OUR MONEY they are spending? Surely we can have a say on how it's spent.

Margret Wrennstad
Margret Wrennstad

BSL is bullshit!

Daniel Highland
Daniel Highland
  • Margret Wrennstad

NO! Not at all.

Linda Shooting Staar Ross

We have NOT given our Governments the right to destroy our pets. When did they assume and take that POWER. Strike to the core of this with avaaz.org - an organisation with over 15 million members who are very very active on any matters of injustice around the globe. Breanna this is where I would take this cause dearest one to protect your beloved Lilla. Blessings to you.

Linda Shooting Staar Ross
Linda Shooting Staar Ross
  • Linda Shooting Staar Ross

95% of Australians petitioned have said NO our governments DO NOT have the right to kill our pets because THEY don't like the a breed or for some other nefarious reason.

Dave Metcalf
Dave Metcalf

People who are responsible for these decisions need to ask real dog experts and behaviourist, not act upon their own unprofessional perceptions and opinions.

Mary Esther Judy
Mary Esther Judy

This entire case was a travesty. I thoroughly agree with Jeanette. When the word came through so immediately on 11th July, and BCC ignored even their own First Minister, I thought that they had already put Lennox to death. Why? Because they could.There were too many questions from the word go. BCC need immediate investigation. They should be charged with animal cruelty. Full and immediate investigation. Lennox paid with his life; they should (at least) pay with their jobs.
On a broader note,...

This entire case was a travesty. I thoroughly agree with Jeanette. When the word came through so immediately on 11th July, and BCC ignored even their own First Minister, I thought that they had already put Lennox to death. Why? Because they could.There were too many questions from the word go. BCC need immediate investigation. They should be charged with animal cruelty. Full and immediate investigation. Lennox paid with his life; they should (at least) pay with their jobs.
On a broader note, the legal standard should be 'Deed, not breed.' Would we openly legalise the execution of human beings just because they looked like they were the wrong sort?

Mary Esther Judy
Mary Esther Judy
  • Mary Esther Judy

Ask one question, please. Why is it that Lennox's family was not even allowed to collect his body for burial? Something really stinks here. BCC needs immediate investigation and WORLDWIDE the BSL legislations need to be overturned. Deed, not breed people.

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