RevDon Bowles III
RevDon Bowles III

People need to stop fueling the the "Racist" fire. I see too many people jumping to conclusions without having all the facts. It's at the point where in jumping to conclusions was exercise this Nation Under God would also be the fittest.

Rab Banerjee
Rab Banerjee
  • RevDon Bowles III

RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THIS COUNTRY. AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE, I LOST EVERYTHING I HAD BECAUSE OF RACISM. I STILL CANNOT GET OVER THAt.......

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • RevDon Bowles III

Lets just say this: If I a African American male was to killed a young white man in Florida even claiming self defense, do you think I would be free for over a month after the shooting... Come on now people lets be honest.

RevDon Bowles III
RevDon Bowles III
  • RevDon Bowles III

Robert Bradford First, are you truly from Africa? If not, you are an American and Americans shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves to begin with. Our focus should be on stopping racism dead in its tracks and ensuring our children do not have to deal with it at all. Second, I hope you would be free, as long as it was truly self-defense. Right now we have no idea if Zimmerman actually shot Martin in self-defense or not, we have yet to see and hear all the facts. Just the same as if it was you and someone else in the same situation.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • RevDon Bowles III

Well the part about me being African American has no relevance what so ever... but hey why not I can directly trace my ancestory back to Africa and yes I have been to Africa on several occasions. Now back to the topic we should not be fight each other I completely agree with you there but thats the problem we are. Racism is alive and well her in America I am living proof I know because I am an American citizen more so I am a African American Veteran of the Air Force. I know most people want...

Well the part about me being African American has no relevance what so ever... but hey why not I can directly trace my ancestory back to Africa and yes I have been to Africa on several occasions. Now back to the topic we should not be fight each other I completely agree with you there but thats the problem we are. Racism is alive and well her in America I am living proof I know because I am an American citizen more so I am a African American Veteran of the Air Force. I know most people want to say that its not happening but trust me it is and once were able to come together and acknowledge that instead of denying its existance then we can fix the problems that we have.

Roy Rodriguez
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  • RevDon Bowles III

Robert Bradford no but if you killed another black man would and body march for/against you , would anyone/ sharpton even care..no...thats the shame of it all every one jumps to the news/tv before every thing is sorted out..

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • RevDon Bowles III

Roy Rodriguez I agree with you Roy nobody will do a thing and I hope that at some point we can change that. Trust me Roy I know that racism ends up being sensationalized and a lot of nothing gets accomplished that way. But if its sensationalized racism does it make it any less racist. All I am saying is that we all have to come to the table and say hey racism exists we both know this lets move on as a country and eliminate all this petty bullshit about skin color and grow together.

Robert Bradford
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  • RevDon Bowles III

Roy Rodriguez I would also like to tell you thank you for your service Roy.

Michael Cosine
Michael Cosine
  • RevDon Bowles III

Robert Bradford Yes lets be honest and forthright I think in current day United States the color that is most important is Green not black not white but that very special shade of Green. Also I have wondered for many years now if racism in all its ugly forms would ever die in the US: the answer is not in my lifetime at least. I grew up in the sixties we had such high hopes and dreams back then where have they gone?? It makes me profoundly sad.

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  • RevDon Bowles III

Racism Breeds Ignorance breeds Racism!! Shalom to all !!

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  • RevDon Bowles III

Don Bowles ..If his ancestors are from Africa..hes from africa..he can claim any heritage he so chooses just as our pez does and that is many!! have u ever been wrongly acused ?? Robert Bradford has been picked on tonight because he was one of the few black men on this forum..lets all cool off..has been a stressful discussion...no harm intended. Shalom!!

Janet Pearson-Day
Janet Pearson-Day

I find it very disturbing that is is so easy for people in the States to obtain weapons of any kind...all the violence on the TV just encourages people to attack and ask questions later...the world has become a very unsafe place and as far as I am concerned the sooner the Lord returns to take his people home to safety the better...I feel so very sad for Trayvon's family THIS SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.....

Janet Pearson-Day
Janet Pearson-Day
  • Janet Pearson-Day

sorry Paula, but never in my house...

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Janet Pearson-Day

You referred to "weapons of any kind". Do you know all five types of weapons?
1. Sticks (All manner of pole arms fall into this category to some extent as well as a hiker's walking stick, a cricket bat, or a broom. Are you suggesting that sale or possession of brooms be banned?)
2. Blades (This includes pen knives, kitchen knives, scissors, machetes, swords, halberds, axes, etc. Again, are you proposing the ban on sale or possession of anything that can hold an edge?)
3. Flexible weapons (A...

You referred to "weapons of any kind". Do you know all five types of weapons?
1. Sticks (All manner of pole arms fall into this category to some extent as well as a hiker's walking stick, a cricket bat, or a broom. Are you suggesting that sale or possession of brooms be banned?)
2. Blades (This includes pen knives, kitchen knives, scissors, machetes, swords, halberds, axes, etc. Again, are you proposing the ban on sale or possession of anything that can hold an edge?)
3. Flexible weapons (A rope, without or without weights, a chain, with or without weights, or even the belt holding up a person's trousers all fit this description.)
4. Projectile weapons (This covers bow & arrow, crossbow & bolt, sling, slingshot, a thrown rock, and, of course firearms. Are you suggesting that all rocks small enough to be thrown be ground to sand?)
5. Combination weapons

Now that you know the 5 weapon types, all I can say is of course weapons are easy to obtain; but not merely in the US. I submit that you can obtain at least one of the weapons described above in any major city in less than an hour in any country in the world provided you had the currency to pay for it.

In woodland it's even easier. It should take you less than ten minutes to find an object that will serve as a weapon under the definitions above.

Your statement that you "find it very disturbing that is is so easy for people in the States to obtain weapons of any kind" tells me that you had no idea just how broad the term is and how, by definition, plentiful they are.

The most important weapon of all sits between the ears of every living human being.

Janet Pearson-Day
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  • Janet Pearson-Day

Sir, as I said before, never in my house....whatever I may have hanging around will not and I repeat not be used as a weapon...I have the only weapon I need and that is Almighty God....

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Janet Pearson-Day

Janet Pearson-Day Thou shalt not put the Lord thy God to the test.

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  • Janet Pearson-Day

Janet Pearson -day; am sooo in agreement with you! shalom!! Love and Light!!also May God Bless you!

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  • Janet Pearson-Day

Lane : its ur bedtime again!!

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  • Janet Pearson-Day

janet, yes the sooner the better and don't think it will b long... if mankind don't kill each other first!

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  • Janet Pearson-Day

Lane Lombardia lol!!!

Jackie Cox
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  • Janet Pearson-Day

rest in peace

Joan Conlee
Joan Conlee

This law sucks so they r saying just because he (says) self defence he has the right to kill someones child! Well my daughter was killed in Feburary and I know how this family feels He should be behind bars and this law needs to be gone it wasnt in self defence He was a coward.

Jessie Rawlins
Jessie Rawlins
  • Joan Conlee

If your daughter had been carrying a gun and knew how to use it would she be dead?

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Joan Conlee

les reed You think it is the "norm"? Are you referring to law abiding citizens or criminals? What statistics have you been reading? With regard to getting rid of drugs, how many people are already in prison or dead over the "War on Drugs"? Do you see any credible evidence that the brute force method being employed is working or is even workable? How, exactly, would you propose to "get rid of" drugs?

Joy Adams
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  • Joan Conlee

And you know this how? Were you there? He is somebody's child too!

Roy Rodriguez
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  • Joan Conlee

les reed wow now you said something worth while

Ted Perry
Ted Perry
  • Joan Conlee

some where that drug dealer has gave someone a drug somewhere that has o d ed so there for he s committed a murder treat them as so no life in prison thats to easy we pay for it if you re not infringing on other s why whine and cry if you mind you re own bussiness then you wont get shot

Ted Perry
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  • Joan Conlee

Lane Lombardia i do bang

Sheryl Koroleski
Sheryl Koroleski
  • Joan Conlee

Jessie Rawlins ,I agree with you.I had some trouble once & I told the bugger I had two friends he could meet,smith& wesson.I wasn't sfraid to shoot a pretty deer & if he came through my door as he said he would I'd have no problem pulling the trigger.I believe,the facts need to speak for themselves.You should be able to defend yourself& stand up for your rights & if someone has it in for you ;no matter what color or religion,they will try to harm you.If you make it known that you will not...

Jessie Rawlins ,I agree with you.I had some trouble once & I told the bugger I had two friends he could meet,smith& wesson.I wasn't sfraid to shoot a pretty deer & if he came through my door as he said he would I'd have no problem pulling the trigger.I believe,the facts need to speak for themselves.You should be able to defend yourself& stand up for your rights & if someone has it in for you ;no matter what color or religion,they will try to harm you.If you make it known that you will not stand up & not be a door mat;I believe criminals would think twice about committing a crime.

Jessie Rawlins
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  • Joan Conlee

les reed http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/sun_coast/soldier-stops-bank-robbery-suspect-05312011
All it takes is one person who knows what they are doing to stop a criminal. As long as law abiding citizens out number the criminals I say arm them.

Stephanie Hatfield
Stephanie Hatfield
  • Joan Conlee

Jessie Rawlins Toe Tally Agree

Lucy Colon
Lucy Colon

Stand your ground needs to be repealed yesterday if not sooner. Unfortunately it's too late for Travon. Zimmerman should be arrested and tried. He should never have been allowed to leave the police station wearing his clothes which could have had damning evidence against him. Let us not let Travon's death be in vain. His father was an ex judge in our judicial system. No wonder he's getting away with MURDER. It's about time MURDERERS got what they gave in return.

Tina Thompson
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  • Lucy Colon

Thank you lucy for the post.

Roy Rodriguez
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  • Lucy Colon

yes on the clothes because it could of helped him also, it works both ways girl.. bad police work for sure... there should of been photos of the head wounds on zimmerman if there was any, x-rays, all the csi that we come to think is done every time something like this happens ,to find out the real story....

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  • Lucy Colon

Lucy Colon: shalom and respect!!

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  • Lucy Colon

roy rodriguez..yes roy and possibly the injuries were inflicted when treyvon headbutted zimmermon in self defense while trying to free himself while being sat on facefirst by zimmermon..right before he shot him! Head butting might b a typical response for a teenager or anyone else in that position i would think!!

Harold Rosenthal
Harold Rosenthal

Since Zimmerman admits following Trayvon, if the kid had a gun, he could have killed Zimmerman under the same law.

Lane Lombardia
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  • Harold Rosenthal

Actually, Mr. Zimmerman apparently only fired his weapon after being knocked to the ground, mounted, and pummeled into the ground. Now if Mr. Martin had, instead of attacking Mr. Zimmerman with his fists, shot Mr. Zimmerman as you suggest, that would have been murder; but shooting someone who is beating you to the brink of unconsciousness is not murder; but it is also not an application of Stand Your Ground as it is not possible to retreat from someone who has knocked you to the ground,...

Actually, Mr. Zimmerman apparently only fired his weapon after being knocked to the ground, mounted, and pummeled into the ground. Now if Mr. Martin had, instead of attacking Mr. Zimmerman with his fists, shot Mr. Zimmerman as you suggest, that would have been murder; but shooting someone who is beating you to the brink of unconsciousness is not murder; but it is also not an application of Stand Your Ground as it is not possible to retreat from someone who has knocked you to the ground, pinned you by mounting you, and is pummeling your head with their fists (both medically documented and supported by eyewitness).

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  • Harold Rosenthal

I still think Zimmermon has u fooled!! Come on Lane..Read and ResearcH!!!

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  • Harold Rosenthal

O my word..again for third time i notice Mr.Lombardio has removed his previous statement..thank you once again.

Jackie Cox
Jackie Cox
  • Harold Rosenthal

lane, your statement is what the police observed when they arrived on the scene, properly evaluating the situation, then our treasonist president made the comment about treyvor could have been his son, we may be missing some pieces of the puzzle here, did anyoe perform DNA tests between obama and treyvor ? I seriously doubt obama would submitt to DNA testing for any reason other than criminal

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

I agree with a few comments that I've read; the "Stand Your Ground" law does not mean if you're a teenager you can be killed for Walking While Black, eating skittles, wearing hood (covering for the head and neck and sometimes the face) Webster's Definition and walking in your own neighborhood. Now zimmerman feared for his life this is his defense, Why continue the pursuit after being told to stand down! It's like he went out for neighborhood watch and said " I'm going to take the law into...

I agree with a few comments that I've read; the "Stand Your Ground" law does not mean if you're a teenager you can be killed for Walking While Black, eating skittles, wearing hood (covering for the head and neck and sometimes the face) Webster's Definition and walking in your own neighborhood. Now zimmerman feared for his life this is his defense, Why continue the pursuit after being told to stand down! It's like he went out for neighborhood watch and said " I'm going to take the law into my own hands tonight" regardless to what the Police say I'm above the law and I'll just take the defense of the "Stand Your Ground" law. zimmerman made this racial not the people! and yeah if it were a white kid and a black person on neighborhood watch and a killing had taken place, the "Stand Your Ground" law would be obsolete. Everybody not just black folk can be accused of passing judgement. Especially when you out and out accused Trayvon of being a thug. If there was a Facebook page back when, what would your page look like and what would you be accused of being affiliated with? I'm just saying nobody is exempt from this ridicule! Thanks for Serving our Country Glenn and Robert thanks for your comments. We can agree to disagree with each other as adults and not want to engage in "Stand Your Ground" because of disagreements. The battle is not yours it's the Lords!

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Like you said the facts if there's any left will speak for itself! I'm not the judge of the jury and one thing is clear that by sworn authorities he was told to stand down!

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Rosalind Gamble by his own testimony, he had, unless you're asserting that Mr. Zimmerman believed that Mr. Martin had gone back to Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle and was waiting for him there. Otherwise, going back to his vehicle would be standing down. Strictly speaking, however, he was not told to stand down. He was told "we don't need you to do that". They are not synonymous. Claiming they are the same is playing Monday morning quarterback. I don't know if that is your intention or if I am...

Rosalind Gamble by his own testimony, he had, unless you're asserting that Mr. Zimmerman believed that Mr. Martin had gone back to Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle and was waiting for him there. Otherwise, going back to his vehicle would be standing down. Strictly speaking, however, he was not told to stand down. He was told "we don't need you to do that". They are not synonymous. Claiming they are the same is playing Monday morning quarterback. I don't know if that is your intention or if I am misreading you. Perhaps you could elaborate and rephrase your statement, so we can both be certain that your contention is being understood in the manner you intend.

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia you did not misread my words, however; it appears by your words you have a tad bit more incite about this incident than I do as if you've spoken with Zimmerman in the flesh. Depending on the broadcasting station you listen too, the actual accountability of the case has been announce to the public in several metaphors @ this point as I reiterated earlier lets really let the authorities figure out the true facts and go from there while the evidence is still accessible to both...

Lane Lombardia you did not misread my words, however; it appears by your words you have a tad bit more incite about this incident than I do as if you've spoken with Zimmerman in the flesh. Depending on the broadcasting station you listen too, the actual accountability of the case has been announce to the public in several metaphors @ this point as I reiterated earlier lets really let the authorities figure out the true facts and go from there while the evidence is still accessible to both Attorneys and the prosecutors for review! There's been enough media involvement that has translated and construed the actual police recording and actual findings. God will have his way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia U sure are rambling and completely off iin ur statements...ke was told "We don't need u to chase him..beat him..shoot him and go back and sit on his dead body..he called him a coon for god's sake..ur trying to make this some type of glorified Constitutional Issue makes me sick!! The Boy Was Shot and Killed!! Get Informed!! Then And Only Then Can you say you are an Informed Individual!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Oh Rosalind..u so right!!1

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Rosalind Gamble the facts do stand hon.There must b Justice for Trayvon and i pray the truth prevails!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia: had Zimmermon stayed in this condo that night and not tried to play "Deputy Dawg" Trayvon would be alive!! Zimmermon has a past history of complaints, run ins with police and melting in general . he was an ANTAGONIST!! he enjoyed interfering and making issues his business!!

Jackie Cox
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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

You could be barac hussain obamas son >

Nina Blackburn
Nina Blackburn

If people did not abuse the law there would be no issue. This law is there to provide you with protection. I would love this law to be introduced in England, the way it is here is disgusting. A man can break into your home and attempt to rape you and if you harm him "YOU" will be prosecuted, it is the criminal who is protected here. Every man and woman should have the right to defend themselves, thier family and what is there's and this law is a blessing as far as I can see. However, I...

If people did not abuse the law there would be no issue. This law is there to provide you with protection. I would love this law to be introduced in England, the way it is here is disgusting. A man can break into your home and attempt to rape you and if you harm him "YOU" will be prosecuted, it is the criminal who is protected here. Every man and woman should have the right to defend themselves, thier family and what is there's and this law is a blessing as far as I can see. However, I wonder to what level England would use the law if we replaced this pathetic "new age parenting" with the discipline that was instilled in me. I would go as far as to say we should have the death penalty--why the hell should the Yorkshire Ripper still be breathing? I knew Josephine Whittaker went to school with the brother Michael and I worked with two of the daughters of one of his other victims, this bastard should have been put against a wall and shot. Do I think your state should abolish this law? No I bloody well don't!

Nicol Hankin
Nicol Hankin
  • Nina Blackburn

I absolutly agree. God help anybody who tries to break in our house coz they'll get more than they bargained for, no matter what the consequences! x

Nina Blackburn
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  • Nina Blackburn

Les you are living in world which where clearly you are the only one--do you avoid watching the news aor reading the newspapers--10 year old girls being raped in thier own homes whilst thier mothers are held at knife point!!! Old people being battered half to death in thier own homes for the sake of a few pounds!! You are clearly a very stupid man and clearly have a very poor ability to put your point across without being abusive towards other people when you disagree with thier opinion. ...

Les you are living in world which where clearly you are the only one--do you avoid watching the news aor reading the newspapers--10 year old girls being raped in thier own homes whilst thier mothers are held at knife point!!! Old people being battered half to death in thier own homes for the sake of a few pounds!! You are clearly a very stupid man and clearly have a very poor ability to put your point across without being abusive towards other people when you disagree with thier opinion. I suggest you grow up a little bit and open your eyes, ears unless ofcourse your true opinion is that as long as these things do not happen in your home then they are not really happening----fool!!!!!!!

Karen Blackburn
Karen Blackburn
  • Nina Blackburn

Les, if the 'night stalker' had broke in and raped your mother in her own home would you have the same opinion? Maybe you are right and the Daily Telegraph is wrong. People are entitled to their own opinion, its called Freedom of Speech. You should re read Ninas post and the re read yours. The only one who clearly has issues here is you!

Michael Cosine
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  • Nina Blackburn

Iin the US many folks of European descent have a very pervasive sense of guilt over the fact that over 400 years ago a small percentage of our ancestors bought native Africans from other Africans brought them to America and forced them work and frankly treated them very badly: worse than we can probably understand in this modern day. This is an accepted historical fact along with the deplorable treatment of the Native American tribes whom they did try to enslave at one point but the...

Iin the US many folks of European descent have a very pervasive sense of guilt over the fact that over 400 years ago a small percentage of our ancestors bought native Africans from other Africans brought them to America and forced them work and frankly treated them very badly: worse than we can probably understand in this modern day. This is an accepted historical fact along with the deplorable treatment of the Native American tribes whom they did try to enslave at one point but the Europeans were unable to force them into slavery. This guilt can be very strong even though the ancestors of most modern day Americans immigrated to the US after the civil war and the abolition of slavery. Mainly because of this guilt many things are allowed to an African American versus for example if your grandparents were Italian or Swedish or Irish etc. Despite many attempts at legislating the issue away (affirmative action laws etc.) But since Mother Nature likes everything in balance we are currently seeing somewhat of a backlash (the pendulum swings both ways) in short many people of European Descent as well as our newest immigrants from many diverse cultures all over the Earth i.e. (China, S. America, Eastern Europe Mexico, Vietnam Etc.) are learning that being a citizen with rights also means that citizenship comes with responsibilities and obligations to society. One of these is to defend not only yourself but your family and neighbors. In order for this to happen laws like Sttand Your Ground must exist.

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  • Nina Blackburn

Nina Blackburn. if, if if, if. that is the words you use. define if. My point to you if you are from America stop them saying GOD BLESS AMERICA. THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WILL BLESS AMERICA

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  • Nina Blackburn

No one broke into anyones house..a child was chased,shoot and killed!! That is the point not the right to bear arms and protect oneself and family!! Zimmermon was a bully and a racist!!

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips

If one is in imminent fear of loss-of-consciousness or death during an assault or altercation, one has the natural (meta-legal) right to defend oneself, up to and including the use of lethal force of whatever sort. The reason I include fear of imminent loss-of-consciousness is because if one is fear that one might be rendered unconscious, and thus totally incapacitated, then the implication is that one would then be at the mercy of one assailant, and that that said assailant could *then* do...

If one is in imminent fear of loss-of-consciousness or death during an assault or altercation, one has the natural (meta-legal) right to defend oneself, up to and including the use of lethal force of whatever sort. The reason I include fear of imminent loss-of-consciousness is because if one is fear that one might be rendered unconscious, and thus totally incapacitated, then the implication is that one would then be at the mercy of one assailant, and that that said assailant could *then* do whatever they might wish--including, of course, kill you--and you'd be totally incapacitated to do anything about it. And, contrary to Dean Shamblen, Neil R. Friedman, and others commenting here, one not only has the natural (meta-legal, meta-constitutional) *right* to care a handgun, but there certainly can be contexts, contrary to Neil Friedman, in which carrying a handgun (whether open-carry or concealed) is, if not perfectly reasonable, then at least far from especially unreasonable. Now, 2nd Amendment rights can be (minimally) regulated, but certainly NOT outright *abrogated*, as far too many here seem cavalierly all-too-sanguine/complacent about! One not only should NOT be required to retreat (i.e., as distinguished from "standing one's ground"), oftentimes retreat is simply not (or no longer) a viable option. If a man is assaulted-&-battered, and comes to be in not-unreasonable fear of imminently being rendered unconscious, and thus incapacitated to further (be able to) defend his life-&/or-limb, then he has the right to use whatever force is necessary, up to and including lethal force, to repel the attack. Ethically & jurisprudentially speaking, this is virtually **axiomatic**. So, with all due respect to whomever, let's dial-down all the bleeding-heart whining, gnashing-of-teeth, and hand-wringing.

The entire Trayvon Martin & George Zimmerman affair is indeed tragic. IF Zimmerman's story is true, then the shooting is justified under the law. Notice that I said 'IF'. Ideally, we *need* witness corroboration (or perhaps contradiction) of Zimmerman's account. IF Zimmerman was assaulted from behind, IF he was battered to the ground, IF he was in fear of imminent incapacitation and thus possible **death** at the hands of his assailant, then, again, the shooting is justified. That's a lot of 'IFs'. Third-party EYEWITNESS testimony is thus not only to be much preferred, but VITAL here to get at the TRUTH.

All that said, however, the "Stand Your Ground" law is really virtually axiomatic. One might seek clarification and refinement of it in terms of application, but the law itself is virtually unassailable, being grounded in the natural right of self-defense.

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  • Mark Phillips

True what u say but that law does not entail.."STAKING FOR SPORT!!"

Lane Lombardia
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  • Mark Phillips

Neither does this case entail, "STAKING FOR SPORT!!" I presume you meant S T A L K I N G.

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  • Mark Phillips

Stop Stalking me please and look out for ur own family...with ur ideas u need to!!

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  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombardia: There u r again Sir "Trolling" after me. We simply must stop meeting like this!!! Of Course i meant Stalking!!!

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  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombaria DO NOT FEED THE jewbaby TROLL

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  • Mark Phillips

I noticed that Mr. Lane Lombardia has removed his comments now...Thank you very much...although u do not intimidate me...just imagine though how Treyvon felt that night..bring followed for no reason!!!

Jackie Cox
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  • Mark Phillips

there should be no laws which violate the 2nd amendment, we should have liberty to carry anything we may so desire to protect ourselves in this world possessed by crime. i for one would like access to surface to air missiles, and metal piercing hardware sufficient to take our armored personnel carriers, if obama keeps on destroying our military we face eminent invasion, from within,from the born again black muslim soft cells tracking our power station transformers, telephone relay stations,...

there should be no laws which violate the 2nd amendment, we should have liberty to carry anything we may so desire to protect ourselves in this world possessed by crime. i for one would like access to surface to air missiles, and metal piercing hardware sufficient to take our armored personnel carriers, if obama keeps on destroying our military we face eminent invasion, from within,from the born again black muslim soft cells tracking our power station transformers, telephone relay stations, water control stations, dams, bridges, runways, seeking an afroamerica, they are among us pretending to be american when they are against us, not nearly all, but a significant number willing to act against america, when the time comes up, rapidly approaching with our current commander and chief.

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  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombardia some people imagine they are being stalked if someone disagrees with with their views

Seán Smith
Seán Smith

I don't reside in America, but this so called law is an affront to human rights and dignity, it has to be repealed, good luck! :)

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  • Seán Smith

if you don t live here then you don t have any say you dont know what its like to be a father of five raising you re kids with out help from anyone making 20.000 a year then have some punk come take it away so butt the hell out you use youre own judgement if you make a mistake you stand up and pay for it like a man don t hide be hind the laws read the bible it still stands at my home eye for an eye

Steve Hollander
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  • Seán Smith

If you don.t live in America, better yet if you don't live in Florida, then stay out of the conversation.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Seán Smith

Ted Perry amen brother its all the out siders who seem to know whats best

Seán Smith
Seán Smith
  • Seán Smith

Ted Perry ,sorry to see that you don't approve of what i said terry and that is your entitlement but as for not knowing what it is like i've lived through the worse of the "troubles" that happened here in northern ireland,in constant fear of something happening to my loved ones,had a cousin shot dead but wanted those who commited this crime to be brought to justice,had a 45 put to my head but the gun jammed and i managed to escape,had a work friend shot at and thank God it was a flesh wound...

Ted Perry ,sorry to see that you don't approve of what i said terry and that is your entitlement but as for not knowing what it is like i've lived through the worse of the "troubles" that happened here in northern ireland,in constant fear of something happening to my loved ones,had a cousin shot dead but wanted those who commited this crime to be brought to justice,had a 45 put to my head but the gun jammed and i managed to escape,had a work friend shot at and thank God it was a flesh wound just because he was a Catholic,had bombs placed near my home and narrowly escaped bombs going off whilst i was shopping with my family,brought up my son through the bombings and bullets that reigned through over 40 years and was intimidated out of a job because of my republican views and NEVER ONCE did i wish any harm to anyone,or wish to CAUSE harm to anyoneas for using the bible to air your views did not our lord Jesus say that He had come to change the law?? and did He not also say "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbour" and as for me" butting my nose out" as you put it perhaps your goverment should take your view and" butt" out of Iraq immediatley and save the lives of the brave men of the Army and Air force stationed there.i wish you all the best Seán Smith :)

Irene Hunter
Irene Hunter
  • Seán Smith

Steve Hollander, maybe, your attitude should extend to work and oil ownership by Americans in Alberta.

Roxanne Knol
Roxanne Knol
  • Seán Smith

Steve Hollander and here I was thinking it was an OPEN conversation... no disrespect but why so hostile? freedom of speech was the main for gun support in the first place if I'm told right...

Ron Proffitt
Ron Proffitt
  • Seán Smith

I have many times in the 60/70 I lived in Monroe I wouldn't go down at nite unless I had a gun,,, Does Detroit have a Stand Your Ground Law??? If not it needs one with all the Crime there.

Joe Reid
Joe Reid
  • Seán Smith

If you don't live here then it's really none of your business......Whether or not you or your friendscan legally own a weapon is irrelevant.,..the criminals will ALWAYS have weapons.. I don't carry a weapon because I'm in fear of the other law abiding citizens such as my self that are responsible gun owners and sportsmen, I carry a weapon to protect myself and my family against people that don't abide by the law....

Neil R Friedman
Neil R Friedman

There is absolutely no justification to my mind for anyone to have to carry a handgun. in an gate of instant communication a Smart Phone with direct access number local police force and or neighborhood watch would be the most effective and efficient way to deal with any perceived or actual threat. While I sympathize, not empathize, with those who claim to know what was in the charts and minds of our"founding fathers" when they wrote the second amendment, I do not believe it gives anyone...

There is absolutely no justification to my mind for anyone to have to carry a handgun. in an gate of instant communication a Smart Phone with direct access number local police force and or neighborhood watch would be the most effective and efficient way to deal with any perceived or actual threat. While I sympathize, not empathize, with those who claim to know what was in the charts and minds of our"founding fathers" when they wrote the second amendment, I do not believe it gives anyone the "legal" or constitutional right to shoot before asking.

Neil R Friedman
Neil R Friedman
  • Neil R Friedman

Lou Rosgen Okay Lou So what you propose is that every man and women carry a loaded gun with them at all times? I just don't think this is a rational response to a very real problem. As I said I recognize that we all have the impulse to protect ourselves against a perceived or actual threat, but I fear that, if we carry your logic to its inevitable conclusion we would end up with more unnecessary takings of life like Trayvons Martins. Isn't there a better solution or are guns the only...

Lou Rosgen Okay Lou So what you propose is that every man and women carry a loaded gun with them at all times? I just don't think this is a rational response to a very real problem. As I said I recognize that we all have the impulse to protect ourselves against a perceived or actual threat, but I fear that, if we carry your logic to its inevitable conclusion we would end up with more unnecessary takings of life like Trayvons Martins. Isn't there a better solution or are guns the only answer? Its an interesting and perplexing conundrum or as Lou Abbot might say "Its a fine mess we have gotten ourselves into"

Stuart Stephen Strickler
Stuart Stephen Strickler
  • Neil R Friedman

Lou Rosgen, I have carried a handgun for personal protection for many years. Trained law abiding citizens are not the problem. Police can not be everywhere, all the time. When seconds count, Police are only minutes away. You are correct!

Bob Mearns
Bob Mearns
  • Neil R Friedman

Neil R Friedman you seem to forget the concept of "mutually assured destruction". When thugs fear a potential "mark"...that person no longer is a "mark". My grandmother was killed during a home invasion and she too had your pacifist mentality. I pray that you don't have to learn the truth the way that she did....

Neil R Friedman
Neil R Friedman
  • Neil R Friedman

Stuart Stephen Strickler I think its far more complex then tat. There are so many stories about law abiding people who :"lose it" and use their guns to kill innocent none gun carrying individuals. I don't know what the answer is or if there even is one. George Zimmerman, may have been a alas abiding citizen one moment and quite unexpectedly he might have committed a crime and become a criminal? It could happen to any one. . .Guns might stop an assailant or escalate a situation. . .

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Neil R Friedman

Neil R Friedman I will have to be honest Neil in perfect world I would love for this to be the case. But where I am from the people that harmed the most are the people unprepared for whats coming in my community everyone has a gun and 95% of the time it is not registered and not legal. So if I follow your way of thinking I would more than likely be the one thats unprepared for a threat with a deadly weapon. I would love to be in a place where you are and not worry about the possibility of...

Neil R Friedman I will have to be honest Neil in perfect world I would love for this to be the case. But where I am from the people that harmed the most are the people unprepared for whats coming in my community everyone has a gun and 95% of the time it is not registered and not legal. So if I follow your way of thinking I would more than likely be the one thats unprepared for a threat with a deadly weapon. I would love to be in a place where you are and not worry about the possibility of being robbed or shot for being in the wrong place at the wrong time....but reality is bad things happen to good people sometimes.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Neil R Friedman

les reed no but you buy more body armour from the us then we americans do, gee who ever would of thought good SUBJECTS would do that to them selves

Angel House
Angel House
  • Neil R Friedman

Really, Neil?? Wow Your plice or neighborhood watch (by the way Zimmerman was just that) Respond Instantly? In time to Save your Whiny Butt? Dreamland Indeed - Yellow tape reality. No Thanks, I'm an American who's fighting to Restore the Constitution on which ALL Laws are Supposed to be Based.
Thank you Stuart, Well Said. Trained Law Abiding people are Not the problem. Additionally, it's become Unpopular to speak Truth to Power, so we Need to be armed against Gov't harming us now. TThe Police State is Real.

Emanuel C Apostolakis
Emanuel C Apostolakis
  • Neil R Friedman

Neil R Friedman YOU NEED TO COME LIVE IN MY NEIHBORHOOD IF YOUR FAMILY DIDN'T CARRY YOU WOULD BE ALOAN, AS LONG AS IF SOME DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR LUNCH MONEY. BUY THE WAY WE DON'T HAVE THEM PROPLEMS ANY MORE NO ONE LIVEING IN OUR AREA IS DUME ENOUGHT TO WANT TO BE UNFRIENDLY" JUST A NEIHBOR".

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