Lesia Moore Donalson
Lesia Moore Donalson

Self defense is a basic human right, and an innate instinct. However, it should not be allowed to be a defense for murder, either. Each situation should be investigated and if deemed the person acted outside the stand your ground defense, he or she should b e treated as a murderer. Rework the law!

Angel House
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  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Lesia, the law Already works Just as you Say. Each situation IS to be investigated, and they Would be treated as a murderer if Found that they acted Outside that law. There is NO NEED to Touch the law or make it Convoluted. Just to Investigate and find the truth, NOT Mob Rule Opnion, Fueled by a Biased and Racist / Divisive president, who is there to Divide us to Control us and to Subjugate us by Taking our Consitutional Rights from us.
Sadly, as said in The Matrix, Some Victims of the Corrupt System will Fight For it.

Audrey Dunham
Audrey Dunham
  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Angel House You adults the only law is the 10 commandments . Do not use the word God bless America. use the word THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WILL BLESS AMERICA

Stephanie Hatfield
Stephanie Hatfield
  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Audrey White RosarioDunham - no only God can bless

Cynthia DeMarcos
Cynthia DeMarcos
  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Stephanie Zdravka: God will Bless America, but only IF we continue to honor ad obey the Ten Commandments. More and more, our country is disobeying the Higher Law, and defiling itself in God's eyes. And all too soon, He WILL withdraw His blessing...and then America truly will fall. Its sad, but that is exactly what is written in the Book of Revelations.

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  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Excellent!! Agree,,Agree..

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  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Audrey White RosarioDunham Please go back to sleep Audrey White??

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  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Oh Lord Please help us All!!! and stop arguing kids or i'll throw u off the bus!!

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Lesia Moore Donalson

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  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Lesia Moore Donalson, agree with u!!

Jackie Cox
Jackie Cox
  • Lesia Moore Donalson

Audrey White RosarioDunham time and intellect, based on spirituality, has created more laws than the ten, just as ethical, to ensure equal rights, justice, the right of self protection against aggression is one. its necessary to have guns the same as criminals to protect us from them, the police cannot be everywhere, all the time

Glenn Vincent Stearns
Glenn Vincent Stearns

The Stand Your Ground Law is to provide for the defense in a situation when you are in fear for your life from a threatening person(s). The interpretation of the law to allow killing someone for stealing your radio or ringing your doorbell is garbage, and needs to be clarified. I am no longer physically able to hold my own with a physical altercation, but I am still a good shot, after 20 plus years in the Army. I didn't stand up for my country to abuse the second amendment rights, nor to...

The Stand Your Ground Law is to provide for the defense in a situation when you are in fear for your life from a threatening person(s). The interpretation of the law to allow killing someone for stealing your radio or ringing your doorbell is garbage, and needs to be clarified. I am no longer physically able to hold my own with a physical altercation, but I am still a good shot, after 20 plus years in the Army. I didn't stand up for my country to abuse the second amendment rights, nor to see them watered down nor taken away because some judge or police failed to use the letter and the spirit of the law. If Zimmerman had his nose broken and was threatened with his life by his assailant, 17 year old "angel" or check out his Facebook Page, he is all thugged out and flipping the bird and gang signing et al. So I don't like the fact Trevon is dead, but we need to have the facts and witnesses come out, the media and all the black groups making a cottage industry out of this case has obscured justice for sure, no matter what the facts might have been. The media have this half hispanic half white young mad guilty until proven innocent, and I for one hate that communistic thought process... I am an American and everyone, especially the folks you don't like have the right to equal justice under the law, due process and if the police found no reason to arrest him then you question the police, fine, but calling for the arrest of someone when you do NOT know the facts is rotten. The Stand Your Ground Law is a good law, and has protected many a Floridian, but needs to be enforced and interpreted with common sense and fairness. If the circumstances did not fit the law, then of course the arrest should have been made. All this "what if the situation were reveresed" crap makes me want to puke! So you are saying a black young man can be all thugged out, threaten a man with his life and break his nose and the "white guy" has to just lay there and take it and hope he doesn't get beaten to death right? Bull crap! Unless the witnesses and/or other "proof" and admissable evidence convicts Zimmerman of something, then the true seeker of justice has to look at BOTH sides, and possiblilities that one or the other or possibly both are responsible to some degree for that tragic death. Glorification of wearing hoodies and being all thugged out is crap too. There you have my 2 cents on this subject. Let's get the facts and stop jumping to conclusions... Al Sharpton was wrong before about Tawanda, remember the hate crime victim with the spray painted swastika on her that claimed rape by multiple white men, and then she finally admitted she staged it herself for attention? Well no doubt the young man is dead, but medical treatment of Zimmerman's nose, coupled with the eyewitness accounts of Trayvon on top of Zimmerman hitting him, and Zimmerman crying out for help, and his back was covered with grass-stains and moisture... all consistent with his story and reasons for the police to believe him, although they DID take him downtown for questioning. By the way, who out there wants to have their doctor diagnose them by watching them walk by on video from about 25 feet away? Is that going to be very accurate? Then stop saying this crap that "gee his nose didn't look broken on the video." Stop being stupid!

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

I would first like to say thank you for your service to our country... That was an amazing sacrifice and a choice most Americans will never be brave enough to make. I also agree with you on the fact that the media has painted Zimmerman guilty until proven innocent and that the law should not be repealed but it should provide more clarity into what instances people are covered under the law. However, the fact that you look at this young mans Facebook page and determined that he was a 17 year...

I would first like to say thank you for your service to our country... That was an amazing sacrifice and a choice most Americans will never be brave enough to make. I also agree with you on the fact that the media has painted Zimmerman guilty until proven innocent and that the law should not be repealed but it should provide more clarity into what instances people are covered under the law. However, the fact that you look at this young mans Facebook page and determined that he was a 17 year old thug that has pictures of him putting up gang signs, shows that you are also misled by your own beliefs of what a thug is. In all actuality Trayvon Martin is far from a thug his behavior on Facebook in my eyes shows that of a typical young teenager (black or white). Lets just get down to the meat and potatoes of this Trayvon was a 140 lbs teenager armed with a pack of skittles and an iced tea, George Zimmerman a 200+lbs 28 year old adult male armed with a gun. There could have been an altercation where he is was screaming for help and many say that the voice was Trayvon screaming for help (so I will not touch on this). I will say that just from what has been clear you as a veteran of our great nation can see this is something that should not have happened. Zimmerman if involved in an altercation with Trayvon should have been arrested until all facts of his story was proven. The lead investigator at the time said that Zimmermans story sounded unlikely and false. But just getting back to the apperance are you telling me that you as a United States Army Veteran that you don't see the problem in this equation. Im not claiming Zimmerman to be guilty I think thats a decision for the courts to make but can you honestly believe that this makes any sense.

Bob Mearns
Bob Mearns
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

Robert Bradford
My thoughts are that I only need one point clarified. IF its true that Treyvon charged and attacked Zimmerman then I think the public needs to reevaluate themselves. On the other hand if Treyvon was shot in the back then Zimmerman has a problem IMHO.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

So the fact that Zimmerman followed and pursued a young man armed with a deadly women even after being ask to stop by police officers has no merit in this case. This type of thinking will allow anyone with a gun the abililty to shoot someone because they can't win a fair fight. So basically he can say oh no im losing this fight time to shoot the unarmed kid.... I havent spent much time online in awhile but I never thought that so many people would have such obscure views... I guess thats...

So the fact that Zimmerman followed and pursued a young man armed with a deadly women even after being ask to stop by police officers has no merit in this case. This type of thinking will allow anyone with a gun the abililty to shoot someone because they can't win a fair fight. So basically he can say oh no im losing this fight time to shoot the unarmed kid.... I havent spent much time online in awhile but I never thought that so many people would have such obscure views... I guess thats another thing that Glenn Vincent Stearns fought for as well.... SMH

Jeff Engelmann
Jeff Engelmann
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

The press, once again shilling for the sitting president, are unified in their response. The relection strategy is to inflame racial tensions and once again tap into white guilt. They haven't got anything else to run on.

Bob Mearns
Bob Mearns
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

Robert Bradford ...watch out for being armed "with a deadly woman"...sounds pretty scary?

Karen June Hughes
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  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

Robert Bradford There is absolutely no evidence to support your position. When Zimmerman called 911, he spoke with a dispatcher, not a police officer, who advised him not to follow the suspect to which he replied "OK". That is what was recorded and released to the press. There was no way of Zimmerman knowing if Martin was armed or not. I seriously doubt Martin would have even approached Zimmerman if he knew Zimmerman was armed. The only thing we know now is that it was Martin jumping...

Robert Bradford There is absolutely no evidence to support your position. When Zimmerman called 911, he spoke with a dispatcher, not a police officer, who advised him not to follow the suspect to which he replied "OK". That is what was recorded and released to the press. There was no way of Zimmerman knowing if Martin was armed or not. I seriously doubt Martin would have even approached Zimmerman if he knew Zimmerman was armed. The only thing we know now is that it was Martin jumping Zimmerman, throwing the first punch not the other way around. Let the investigation continue and stop prosecuting the case in the court of public opinion. Americans are innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

Karen June Hughes You are absolutely right... its no way of knowing certain things about that case... I can say this one thing if it was I that shoot and killed a young white man. I would most definitely be in jail right now.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

Bob Mearns lol... it is and believe me Bob I also own my very own deadly weapon as well. I know the need to protect myself and I am more than sure we can agree on that.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

Jeff Engelheimercoqteausonmann Really.... smh????

Karen June Hughes
Karen June Hughes
  • Glenn Vincent Stearns

Robert Bradford You really don't know that. Let's stop dealing in conjecture and hyperbole and let the investigation continue unfettered.

RevDon Bowles III
RevDon Bowles III

People need to stop fueling the the "Racist" fire. I see too many people jumping to conclusions without having all the facts. It's at the point where in jumping to conclusions was exercise this Nation Under God would also be the fittest.

Rab Banerjee
Rab Banerjee
  • RevDon Bowles III

RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THIS COUNTRY. AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE, I LOST EVERYTHING I HAD BECAUSE OF RACISM. I STILL CANNOT GET OVER THAt.......

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • RevDon Bowles III

Lets just say this: If I a African American male was to killed a young white man in Florida even claiming self defense, do you think I would be free for over a month after the shooting... Come on now people lets be honest.

RevDon Bowles III
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  • RevDon Bowles III

Robert Bradford First, are you truly from Africa? If not, you are an American and Americans shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves to begin with. Our focus should be on stopping racism dead in its tracks and ensuring our children do not have to deal with it at all. Second, I hope you would be free, as long as it was truly self-defense. Right now we have no idea if Zimmerman actually shot Martin in self-defense or not, we have yet to see and hear all the facts. Just the same as if it was you and someone else in the same situation.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • RevDon Bowles III

Well the part about me being African American has no relevance what so ever... but hey why not I can directly trace my ancestory back to Africa and yes I have been to Africa on several occasions. Now back to the topic we should not be fight each other I completely agree with you there but thats the problem we are. Racism is alive and well her in America I am living proof I know because I am an American citizen more so I am a African American Veteran of the Air Force. I know most people want...

Well the part about me being African American has no relevance what so ever... but hey why not I can directly trace my ancestory back to Africa and yes I have been to Africa on several occasions. Now back to the topic we should not be fight each other I completely agree with you there but thats the problem we are. Racism is alive and well her in America I am living proof I know because I am an American citizen more so I am a African American Veteran of the Air Force. I know most people want to say that its not happening but trust me it is and once were able to come together and acknowledge that instead of denying its existance then we can fix the problems that we have.

Roy Rodriguez
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  • RevDon Bowles III

Robert Bradford no but if you killed another black man would and body march for/against you , would anyone/ sharpton even care..no...thats the shame of it all every one jumps to the news/tv before every thing is sorted out..

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • RevDon Bowles III

Roy Rodriguez I agree with you Roy nobody will do a thing and I hope that at some point we can change that. Trust me Roy I know that racism ends up being sensationalized and a lot of nothing gets accomplished that way. But if its sensationalized racism does it make it any less racist. All I am saying is that we all have to come to the table and say hey racism exists we both know this lets move on as a country and eliminate all this petty bullshit about skin color and grow together.

Robert Bradford
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  • RevDon Bowles III

Roy Rodriguez I would also like to tell you thank you for your service Roy.

Michael Cosine
Michael Cosine
  • RevDon Bowles III

Robert Bradford Yes lets be honest and forthright I think in current day United States the color that is most important is Green not black not white but that very special shade of Green. Also I have wondered for many years now if racism in all its ugly forms would ever die in the US: the answer is not in my lifetime at least. I grew up in the sixties we had such high hopes and dreams back then where have they gone?? It makes me profoundly sad.

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  • RevDon Bowles III

Racism Breeds Ignorance breeds Racism!! Shalom to all !!

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  • RevDon Bowles III

Don Bowles ..If his ancestors are from Africa..hes from africa..he can claim any heritage he so chooses just as our pez does and that is many!! have u ever been wrongly acused ?? Robert Bradford has been picked on tonight because he was one of the few black men on this forum..lets all cool off..has been a stressful discussion...no harm intended. Shalom!!

Lucy Colon
Lucy Colon

Stand your ground needs to be repealed yesterday if not sooner. Unfortunately it's too late for Travon. Zimmerman should be arrested and tried. He should never have been allowed to leave the police station wearing his clothes which could have had damning evidence against him. Let us not let Travon's death be in vain. His father was an ex judge in our judicial system. No wonder he's getting away with MURDER. It's about time MURDERERS got what they gave in return.

Tina Thompson
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  • Lucy Colon

Thank you lucy for the post.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Lucy Colon

yes on the clothes because it could of helped him also, it works both ways girl.. bad police work for sure... there should of been photos of the head wounds on zimmerman if there was any, x-rays, all the csi that we come to think is done every time something like this happens ,to find out the real story....

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  • Lucy Colon

Lucy Colon: shalom and respect!!

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  • Lucy Colon

roy rodriguez..yes roy and possibly the injuries were inflicted when treyvon headbutted zimmermon in self defense while trying to free himself while being sat on facefirst by zimmermon..right before he shot him! Head butting might b a typical response for a teenager or anyone else in that position i would think!!

Harold Rosenthal
Harold Rosenthal

Since Zimmerman admits following Trayvon, if the kid had a gun, he could have killed Zimmerman under the same law.

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Harold Rosenthal

Actually, Mr. Zimmerman apparently only fired his weapon after being knocked to the ground, mounted, and pummeled into the ground. Now if Mr. Martin had, instead of attacking Mr. Zimmerman with his fists, shot Mr. Zimmerman as you suggest, that would have been murder; but shooting someone who is beating you to the brink of unconsciousness is not murder; but it is also not an application of Stand Your Ground as it is not possible to retreat from someone who has knocked you to the ground,...

Actually, Mr. Zimmerman apparently only fired his weapon after being knocked to the ground, mounted, and pummeled into the ground. Now if Mr. Martin had, instead of attacking Mr. Zimmerman with his fists, shot Mr. Zimmerman as you suggest, that would have been murder; but shooting someone who is beating you to the brink of unconsciousness is not murder; but it is also not an application of Stand Your Ground as it is not possible to retreat from someone who has knocked you to the ground, pinned you by mounting you, and is pummeling your head with their fists (both medically documented and supported by eyewitness).

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  • Harold Rosenthal

I still think Zimmermon has u fooled!! Come on Lane..Read and ResearcH!!!

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  • Harold Rosenthal

O my word..again for third time i notice Mr.Lombardio has removed his previous statement..thank you once again.

Jackie Cox
Jackie Cox
  • Harold Rosenthal

lane, your statement is what the police observed when they arrived on the scene, properly evaluating the situation, then our treasonist president made the comment about treyvor could have been his son, we may be missing some pieces of the puzzle here, did anyoe perform DNA tests between obama and treyvor ? I seriously doubt obama would submitt to DNA testing for any reason other than criminal

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

I agree with a few comments that I've read; the "Stand Your Ground" law does not mean if you're a teenager you can be killed for Walking While Black, eating skittles, wearing hood (covering for the head and neck and sometimes the face) Webster's Definition and walking in your own neighborhood. Now zimmerman feared for his life this is his defense, Why continue the pursuit after being told to stand down! It's like he went out for neighborhood watch and said " I'm going to take the law into...

I agree with a few comments that I've read; the "Stand Your Ground" law does not mean if you're a teenager you can be killed for Walking While Black, eating skittles, wearing hood (covering for the head and neck and sometimes the face) Webster's Definition and walking in your own neighborhood. Now zimmerman feared for his life this is his defense, Why continue the pursuit after being told to stand down! It's like he went out for neighborhood watch and said " I'm going to take the law into my own hands tonight" regardless to what the Police say I'm above the law and I'll just take the defense of the "Stand Your Ground" law. zimmerman made this racial not the people! and yeah if it were a white kid and a black person on neighborhood watch and a killing had taken place, the "Stand Your Ground" law would be obsolete. Everybody not just black folk can be accused of passing judgement. Especially when you out and out accused Trayvon of being a thug. If there was a Facebook page back when, what would your page look like and what would you be accused of being affiliated with? I'm just saying nobody is exempt from this ridicule! Thanks for Serving our Country Glenn and Robert thanks for your comments. We can agree to disagree with each other as adults and not want to engage in "Stand Your Ground" because of disagreements. The battle is not yours it's the Lords!

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Like you said the facts if there's any left will speak for itself! I'm not the judge of the jury and one thing is clear that by sworn authorities he was told to stand down!

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Rosalind Gamble by his own testimony, he had, unless you're asserting that Mr. Zimmerman believed that Mr. Martin had gone back to Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle and was waiting for him there. Otherwise, going back to his vehicle would be standing down. Strictly speaking, however, he was not told to stand down. He was told "we don't need you to do that". They are not synonymous. Claiming they are the same is playing Monday morning quarterback. I don't know if that is your intention or if I am...

Rosalind Gamble by his own testimony, he had, unless you're asserting that Mr. Zimmerman believed that Mr. Martin had gone back to Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle and was waiting for him there. Otherwise, going back to his vehicle would be standing down. Strictly speaking, however, he was not told to stand down. He was told "we don't need you to do that". They are not synonymous. Claiming they are the same is playing Monday morning quarterback. I don't know if that is your intention or if I am misreading you. Perhaps you could elaborate and rephrase your statement, so we can both be certain that your contention is being understood in the manner you intend.

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia you did not misread my words, however; it appears by your words you have a tad bit more incite about this incident than I do as if you've spoken with Zimmerman in the flesh. Depending on the broadcasting station you listen too, the actual accountability of the case has been announce to the public in several metaphors @ this point as I reiterated earlier lets really let the authorities figure out the true facts and go from there while the evidence is still accessible to both...

Lane Lombardia you did not misread my words, however; it appears by your words you have a tad bit more incite about this incident than I do as if you've spoken with Zimmerman in the flesh. Depending on the broadcasting station you listen too, the actual accountability of the case has been announce to the public in several metaphors @ this point as I reiterated earlier lets really let the authorities figure out the true facts and go from there while the evidence is still accessible to both Attorneys and the prosecutors for review! There's been enough media involvement that has translated and construed the actual police recording and actual findings. God will have his way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia U sure are rambling and completely off iin ur statements...ke was told "We don't need u to chase him..beat him..shoot him and go back and sit on his dead body..he called him a coon for god's sake..ur trying to make this some type of glorified Constitutional Issue makes me sick!! The Boy Was Shot and Killed!! Get Informed!! Then And Only Then Can you say you are an Informed Individual!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Oh Rosalind..u so right!!1

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Rosalind Gamble the facts do stand hon.There must b Justice for Trayvon and i pray the truth prevails!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia: had Zimmermon stayed in this condo that night and not tried to play "Deputy Dawg" Trayvon would be alive!! Zimmermon has a past history of complaints, run ins with police and melting in general . he was an ANTAGONIST!! he enjoyed interfering and making issues his business!!

Jackie Cox
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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

You could be barac hussain obamas son >

Nina Blackburn
Nina Blackburn

If people did not abuse the law there would be no issue. This law is there to provide you with protection. I would love this law to be introduced in England, the way it is here is disgusting. A man can break into your home and attempt to rape you and if you harm him "YOU" will be prosecuted, it is the criminal who is protected here. Every man and woman should have the right to defend themselves, thier family and what is there's and this law is a blessing as far as I can see. However, I...

If people did not abuse the law there would be no issue. This law is there to provide you with protection. I would love this law to be introduced in England, the way it is here is disgusting. A man can break into your home and attempt to rape you and if you harm him "YOU" will be prosecuted, it is the criminal who is protected here. Every man and woman should have the right to defend themselves, thier family and what is there's and this law is a blessing as far as I can see. However, I wonder to what level England would use the law if we replaced this pathetic "new age parenting" with the discipline that was instilled in me. I would go as far as to say we should have the death penalty--why the hell should the Yorkshire Ripper still be breathing? I knew Josephine Whittaker went to school with the brother Michael and I worked with two of the daughters of one of his other victims, this bastard should have been put against a wall and shot. Do I think your state should abolish this law? No I bloody well don't!

Nicol Hankin
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  • Nina Blackburn

I absolutly agree. God help anybody who tries to break in our house coz they'll get more than they bargained for, no matter what the consequences! x

Nina Blackburn
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  • Nina Blackburn

Les you are living in world which where clearly you are the only one--do you avoid watching the news aor reading the newspapers--10 year old girls being raped in thier own homes whilst thier mothers are held at knife point!!! Old people being battered half to death in thier own homes for the sake of a few pounds!! You are clearly a very stupid man and clearly have a very poor ability to put your point across without being abusive towards other people when you disagree with thier opinion. ...

Les you are living in world which where clearly you are the only one--do you avoid watching the news aor reading the newspapers--10 year old girls being raped in thier own homes whilst thier mothers are held at knife point!!! Old people being battered half to death in thier own homes for the sake of a few pounds!! You are clearly a very stupid man and clearly have a very poor ability to put your point across without being abusive towards other people when you disagree with thier opinion. I suggest you grow up a little bit and open your eyes, ears unless ofcourse your true opinion is that as long as these things do not happen in your home then they are not really happening----fool!!!!!!!

Karen Blackburn
Karen Blackburn
  • Nina Blackburn

Les, if the 'night stalker' had broke in and raped your mother in her own home would you have the same opinion? Maybe you are right and the Daily Telegraph is wrong. People are entitled to their own opinion, its called Freedom of Speech. You should re read Ninas post and the re read yours. The only one who clearly has issues here is you!

Michael Cosine
Michael Cosine
  • Nina Blackburn

Iin the US many folks of European descent have a very pervasive sense of guilt over the fact that over 400 years ago a small percentage of our ancestors bought native Africans from other Africans brought them to America and forced them work and frankly treated them very badly: worse than we can probably understand in this modern day. This is an accepted historical fact along with the deplorable treatment of the Native American tribes whom they did try to enslave at one point but the...

Iin the US many folks of European descent have a very pervasive sense of guilt over the fact that over 400 years ago a small percentage of our ancestors bought native Africans from other Africans brought them to America and forced them work and frankly treated them very badly: worse than we can probably understand in this modern day. This is an accepted historical fact along with the deplorable treatment of the Native American tribes whom they did try to enslave at one point but the Europeans were unable to force them into slavery. This guilt can be very strong even though the ancestors of most modern day Americans immigrated to the US after the civil war and the abolition of slavery. Mainly because of this guilt many things are allowed to an African American versus for example if your grandparents were Italian or Swedish or Irish etc. Despite many attempts at legislating the issue away (affirmative action laws etc.) But since Mother Nature likes everything in balance we are currently seeing somewhat of a backlash (the pendulum swings both ways) in short many people of European Descent as well as our newest immigrants from many diverse cultures all over the Earth i.e. (China, S. America, Eastern Europe Mexico, Vietnam Etc.) are learning that being a citizen with rights also means that citizenship comes with responsibilities and obligations to society. One of these is to defend not only yourself but your family and neighbors. In order for this to happen laws like Sttand Your Ground must exist.

Audrey Dunham
Audrey Dunham
  • Nina Blackburn

Nina Blackburn. if, if if, if. that is the words you use. define if. My point to you if you are from America stop them saying GOD BLESS AMERICA. THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WILL BLESS AMERICA

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  • Nina Blackburn

No one broke into anyones house..a child was chased,shoot and killed!! That is the point not the right to bear arms and protect oneself and family!! Zimmermon was a bully and a racist!!

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips

If one is in imminent fear of loss-of-consciousness or death during an assault or altercation, one has the natural (meta-legal) right to defend oneself, up to and including the use of lethal force of whatever sort. The reason I include fear of imminent loss-of-consciousness is because if one is fear that one might be rendered unconscious, and thus totally incapacitated, then the implication is that one would then be at the mercy of one assailant, and that that said assailant could *then* do...

If one is in imminent fear of loss-of-consciousness or death during an assault or altercation, one has the natural (meta-legal) right to defend oneself, up to and including the use of lethal force of whatever sort. The reason I include fear of imminent loss-of-consciousness is because if one is fear that one might be rendered unconscious, and thus totally incapacitated, then the implication is that one would then be at the mercy of one assailant, and that that said assailant could *then* do whatever they might wish--including, of course, kill you--and you'd be totally incapacitated to do anything about it. And, contrary to Dean Shamblen, Neil R. Friedman, and others commenting here, one not only has the natural (meta-legal, meta-constitutional) *right* to care a handgun, but there certainly can be contexts, contrary to Neil Friedman, in which carrying a handgun (whether open-carry or concealed) is, if not perfectly reasonable, then at least far from especially unreasonable. Now, 2nd Amendment rights can be (minimally) regulated, but certainly NOT outright *abrogated*, as far too many here seem cavalierly all-too-sanguine/complacent about! One not only should NOT be required to retreat (i.e., as distinguished from "standing one's ground"), oftentimes retreat is simply not (or no longer) a viable option. If a man is assaulted-&-battered, and comes to be in not-unreasonable fear of imminently being rendered unconscious, and thus incapacitated to further (be able to) defend his life-&/or-limb, then he has the right to use whatever force is necessary, up to and including lethal force, to repel the attack. Ethically & jurisprudentially speaking, this is virtually **axiomatic**. So, with all due respect to whomever, let's dial-down all the bleeding-heart whining, gnashing-of-teeth, and hand-wringing.

The entire Trayvon Martin & George Zimmerman affair is indeed tragic. IF Zimmerman's story is true, then the shooting is justified under the law. Notice that I said 'IF'. Ideally, we *need* witness corroboration (or perhaps contradiction) of Zimmerman's account. IF Zimmerman was assaulted from behind, IF he was battered to the ground, IF he was in fear of imminent incapacitation and thus possible **death** at the hands of his assailant, then, again, the shooting is justified. That's a lot of 'IFs'. Third-party EYEWITNESS testimony is thus not only to be much preferred, but VITAL here to get at the TRUTH.

All that said, however, the "Stand Your Ground" law is really virtually axiomatic. One might seek clarification and refinement of it in terms of application, but the law itself is virtually unassailable, being grounded in the natural right of self-defense.

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  • Mark Phillips

True what u say but that law does not entail.."STAKING FOR SPORT!!"

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Mark Phillips

Neither does this case entail, "STAKING FOR SPORT!!" I presume you meant S T A L K I N G.

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  • Mark Phillips

Stop Stalking me please and look out for ur own family...with ur ideas u need to!!

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  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombardia: There u r again Sir "Trolling" after me. We simply must stop meeting like this!!! Of Course i meant Stalking!!!

Lara Nunes
Lara Nunes
  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombaria DO NOT FEED THE jewbaby TROLL

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  • Mark Phillips

I noticed that Mr. Lane Lombardia has removed his comments now...Thank you very much...although u do not intimidate me...just imagine though how Treyvon felt that night..bring followed for no reason!!!

Jackie Cox
Jackie Cox
  • Mark Phillips

there should be no laws which violate the 2nd amendment, we should have liberty to carry anything we may so desire to protect ourselves in this world possessed by crime. i for one would like access to surface to air missiles, and metal piercing hardware sufficient to take our armored personnel carriers, if obama keeps on destroying our military we face eminent invasion, from within,from the born again black muslim soft cells tracking our power station transformers, telephone relay stations,...

there should be no laws which violate the 2nd amendment, we should have liberty to carry anything we may so desire to protect ourselves in this world possessed by crime. i for one would like access to surface to air missiles, and metal piercing hardware sufficient to take our armored personnel carriers, if obama keeps on destroying our military we face eminent invasion, from within,from the born again black muslim soft cells tracking our power station transformers, telephone relay stations, water control stations, dams, bridges, runways, seeking an afroamerica, they are among us pretending to be american when they are against us, not nearly all, but a significant number willing to act against america, when the time comes up, rapidly approaching with our current commander and chief.

Jackie Cox
Jackie Cox
  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombardia some people imagine they are being stalked if someone disagrees with with their views

Seán Smith
Seán Smith

I don't reside in America, but this so called law is an affront to human rights and dignity, it has to be repealed, good luck! :)

Ted Perry
Ted Perry
  • Seán Smith

if you don t live here then you don t have any say you dont know what its like to be a father of five raising you re kids with out help from anyone making 20.000 a year then have some punk come take it away so butt the hell out you use youre own judgement if you make a mistake you stand up and pay for it like a man don t hide be hind the laws read the bible it still stands at my home eye for an eye

Steve Hollander
Steve Hollander
  • Seán Smith

If you don.t live in America, better yet if you don't live in Florida, then stay out of the conversation.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Seán Smith

Ted Perry amen brother its all the out siders who seem to know whats best

Seán Smith
Seán Smith
  • Seán Smith

Ted Perry ,sorry to see that you don't approve of what i said terry and that is your entitlement but as for not knowing what it is like i've lived through the worse of the "troubles" that happened here in northern ireland,in constant fear of something happening to my loved ones,had a cousin shot dead but wanted those who commited this crime to be brought to justice,had a 45 put to my head but the gun jammed and i managed to escape,had a work friend shot at and thank God it was a flesh wound...

Ted Perry ,sorry to see that you don't approve of what i said terry and that is your entitlement but as for not knowing what it is like i've lived through the worse of the "troubles" that happened here in northern ireland,in constant fear of something happening to my loved ones,had a cousin shot dead but wanted those who commited this crime to be brought to justice,had a 45 put to my head but the gun jammed and i managed to escape,had a work friend shot at and thank God it was a flesh wound just because he was a Catholic,had bombs placed near my home and narrowly escaped bombs going off whilst i was shopping with my family,brought up my son through the bombings and bullets that reigned through over 40 years and was intimidated out of a job because of my republican views and NEVER ONCE did i wish any harm to anyone,or wish to CAUSE harm to anyoneas for using the bible to air your views did not our lord Jesus say that He had come to change the law?? and did He not also say "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbour" and as for me" butting my nose out" as you put it perhaps your goverment should take your view and" butt" out of Iraq immediatley and save the lives of the brave men of the Army and Air force stationed there.i wish you all the best Seán Smith :)

Irene Hunter
Irene Hunter
  • Seán Smith

Steve Hollander, maybe, your attitude should extend to work and oil ownership by Americans in Alberta.

Roxanne Knol
Roxanne Knol
  • Seán Smith

Steve Hollander and here I was thinking it was an OPEN conversation... no disrespect but why so hostile? freedom of speech was the main for gun support in the first place if I'm told right...

Ron Proffitt
Ron Proffitt
  • Seán Smith

I have many times in the 60/70 I lived in Monroe I wouldn't go down at nite unless I had a gun,,, Does Detroit have a Stand Your Ground Law??? If not it needs one with all the Crime there.

Joe Reid
Joe Reid
  • Seán Smith

If you don't live here then it's really none of your business......Whether or not you or your friendscan legally own a weapon is irrelevant.,..the criminals will ALWAYS have weapons.. I don't carry a weapon because I'm in fear of the other law abiding citizens such as my self that are responsible gun owners and sportsmen, I carry a weapon to protect myself and my family against people that don't abide by the law....

Neil R Friedman
Neil R Friedman

There is absolutely no justification to my mind for anyone to have to carry a handgun. in an gate of instant communication a Smart Phone with direct access number local police force and or neighborhood watch would be the most effective and efficient way to deal with any perceived or actual threat. While I sympathize, not empathize, with those who claim to know what was in the charts and minds of our"founding fathers" when they wrote the second amendment, I do not believe it gives anyone...

There is absolutely no justification to my mind for anyone to have to carry a handgun. in an gate of instant communication a Smart Phone with direct access number local police force and or neighborhood watch would be the most effective and efficient way to deal with any perceived or actual threat. While I sympathize, not empathize, with those who claim to know what was in the charts and minds of our"founding fathers" when they wrote the second amendment, I do not believe it gives anyone the "legal" or constitutional right to shoot before asking.

Neil R Friedman
Neil R Friedman
  • Neil R Friedman

Lou Rosgen Okay Lou So what you propose is that every man and women carry a loaded gun with them at all times? I just don't think this is a rational response to a very real problem. As I said I recognize that we all have the impulse to protect ourselves against a perceived or actual threat, but I fear that, if we carry your logic to its inevitable conclusion we would end up with more unnecessary takings of life like Trayvons Martins. Isn't there a better solution or are guns the only...

Lou Rosgen Okay Lou So what you propose is that every man and women carry a loaded gun with them at all times? I just don't think this is a rational response to a very real problem. As I said I recognize that we all have the impulse to protect ourselves against a perceived or actual threat, but I fear that, if we carry your logic to its inevitable conclusion we would end up with more unnecessary takings of life like Trayvons Martins. Isn't there a better solution or are guns the only answer? Its an interesting and perplexing conundrum or as Lou Abbot might say "Its a fine mess we have gotten ourselves into"

Stuart Stephen Strickler
Stuart Stephen Strickler
  • Neil R Friedman

Lou Rosgen, I have carried a handgun for personal protection for many years. Trained law abiding citizens are not the problem. Police can not be everywhere, all the time. When seconds count, Police are only minutes away. You are correct!

Bob Mearns
Bob Mearns
  • Neil R Friedman

Neil R Friedman you seem to forget the concept of "mutually assured destruction". When thugs fear a potential "mark"...that person no longer is a "mark". My grandmother was killed during a home invasion and she too had your pacifist mentality. I pray that you don't have to learn the truth the way that she did....

Neil R Friedman
Neil R Friedman
  • Neil R Friedman

Stuart Stephen Strickler I think its far more complex then tat. There are so many stories about law abiding people who :"lose it" and use their guns to kill innocent none gun carrying individuals. I don't know what the answer is or if there even is one. George Zimmerman, may have been a alas abiding citizen one moment and quite unexpectedly he might have committed a crime and become a criminal? It could happen to any one. . .Guns might stop an assailant or escalate a situation. . .

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Neil R Friedman

Neil R Friedman I will have to be honest Neil in perfect world I would love for this to be the case. But where I am from the people that harmed the most are the people unprepared for whats coming in my community everyone has a gun and 95% of the time it is not registered and not legal. So if I follow your way of thinking I would more than likely be the one thats unprepared for a threat with a deadly weapon. I would love to be in a place where you are and not worry about the possibility of...

Neil R Friedman I will have to be honest Neil in perfect world I would love for this to be the case. But where I am from the people that harmed the most are the people unprepared for whats coming in my community everyone has a gun and 95% of the time it is not registered and not legal. So if I follow your way of thinking I would more than likely be the one thats unprepared for a threat with a deadly weapon. I would love to be in a place where you are and not worry about the possibility of being robbed or shot for being in the wrong place at the wrong time....but reality is bad things happen to good people sometimes.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Neil R Friedman

les reed no but you buy more body armour from the us then we americans do, gee who ever would of thought good SUBJECTS would do that to them selves

Angel House
Angel House
  • Neil R Friedman

Really, Neil?? Wow Your plice or neighborhood watch (by the way Zimmerman was just that) Respond Instantly? In time to Save your Whiny Butt? Dreamland Indeed - Yellow tape reality. No Thanks, I'm an American who's fighting to Restore the Constitution on which ALL Laws are Supposed to be Based.
Thank you Stuart, Well Said. Trained Law Abiding people are Not the problem. Additionally, it's become Unpopular to speak Truth to Power, so we Need to be armed against Gov't harming us now. TThe Police State is Real.

Emanuel C Apostolakis
Emanuel C Apostolakis
  • Neil R Friedman

Neil R Friedman YOU NEED TO COME LIVE IN MY NEIHBORHOOD IF YOUR FAMILY DIDN'T CARRY YOU WOULD BE ALOAN, AS LONG AS IF SOME DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR LUNCH MONEY. BUY THE WAY WE DON'T HAVE THEM PROPLEMS ANY MORE NO ONE LIVEING IN OUR AREA IS DUME ENOUGHT TO WANT TO BE UNFRIENDLY" JUST A NEIHBOR".

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