Don Bowles III
Don Bowles III

People need to stop fueling the the "Racist" fire. I see too many people jumping to conclusions without having all the facts. It's at the point where in jumping to conclusions was exercise this Nation Under God would also be the fittest.

Rab Banerjee
Rab Banerjee
  • Don Bowles III

RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THIS COUNTRY. AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE, I LOST EVERYTHING I HAD BECAUSE OF RACISM. I STILL CANNOT GET OVER THAt.......

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Don Bowles III

Lets just say this: If I a African American male was to killed a young white man in Florida even claiming self defense, do you think I would be free for over a month after the shooting... Come on now people lets be honest.

Don Bowles III
Don Bowles III
  • Don Bowles III

Robert Bradford First, are you truly from Africa? If not, you are an American and Americans shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves to begin with. Our focus should be on stopping racism dead in its tracks and ensuring our children do not have to deal with it at all. Second, I hope you would be free, as long as it was truly self-defense. Right now we have no idea if Zimmerman actually shot Martin in self-defense or not, we have yet to see and hear all the facts. Just the same as if it was you and someone else in the same situation.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Don Bowles III

Well the part about me being African American has no relevance what so ever... but hey why not I can directly trace my ancestory back to Africa and yes I have been to Africa on several occasions. Now back to the topic we should not be fight each other I completely agree with you there but thats the problem we are. Racism is alive and well her in America I am living proof I know because I am an American citizen more so I am a African American Veteran of the Air Force. I know most people want...

Well the part about me being African American has no relevance what so ever... but hey why not I can directly trace my ancestory back to Africa and yes I have been to Africa on several occasions. Now back to the topic we should not be fight each other I completely agree with you there but thats the problem we are. Racism is alive and well her in America I am living proof I know because I am an American citizen more so I am a African American Veteran of the Air Force. I know most people want to say that its not happening but trust me it is and once were able to come together and acknowledge that instead of denying its existance then we can fix the problems that we have.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Don Bowles III

Robert Bradford no but if you killed another black man would and body march for/against you , would anyone/ sharpton even care..no...thats the shame of it all every one jumps to the news/tv before every thing is sorted out..

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Don Bowles III

Roy Rodriguez I agree with you Roy nobody will do a thing and I hope that at some point we can change that. Trust me Roy I know that racism ends up being sensationalized and a lot of nothing gets accomplished that way. But if its sensationalized racism does it make it any less racist. All I am saying is that we all have to come to the table and say hey racism exists we both know this lets move on as a country and eliminate all this petty bullshit about skin color and grow together.

Robert Bradford
Robert Bradford
  • Don Bowles III

Roy Rodriguez I would also like to tell you thank you for your service Roy.

Michael Cosine
Michael Cosine
  • Don Bowles III

Robert Bradford Yes lets be honest and forthright I think in current day United States the color that is most important is Green not black not white but that very special shade of Green. Also I have wondered for many years now if racism in all its ugly forms would ever die in the US: the answer is not in my lifetime at least. I grew up in the sixties we had such high hopes and dreams back then where have they gone?? It makes me profoundly sad.

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  • Don Bowles III

Racism Breeds Ignorance breeds Racism!! Shalom to all !!

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  • Don Bowles III

Don Bowles ..If his ancestors are from Africa..hes from africa..he can claim any heritage he so chooses just as our pez does and that is many!! have u ever been wrongly acused ?? Robert Bradford has been picked on tonight because he was one of the few black men on this forum..lets all cool off..has been a stressful discussion...no harm intended. Shalom!!

Shirley Fashano
Shirley Fashano

"Stand Your Ground" I would like to see everything equal. Why does one ask the color of ones skin? BAD is BAD WRONG is WRONG when we will we all get it straight.
If Zimmerman is wrong in this case than it should be because he is wrong not becasue the color of the skin. If Martin is wrong than it should be because he is wrong not the color of his skin. In fact the 911 operator was the first to ask about the color of skin. Zimmerman had not noticed, all he knew were robbers had in the...

"Stand Your Ground" I would like to see everything equal. Why does one ask the color of ones skin? BAD is BAD WRONG is WRONG when we will we all get it straight.
If Zimmerman is wrong in this case than it should be because he is wrong not becasue the color of the skin. If Martin is wrong than it should be because he is wrong not the color of his skin. In fact the 911 operator was the first to ask about the color of skin. Zimmerman had not noticed, all he knew were robbers had in the past gotten away and he called for help. If we really want to get along and get out of the racism than we need to start looking at the crime and not the color.

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  • Shirley Fashano

Shirley copenhaver; ur living in fantasy land hon!!

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  • Shirley Fashano

What the world needs now is Love Sweet Love..but ignorace breeds racism breeds ignorance..not u jus stating in general....

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  • Shirley Fashano

Listen to what zimmermon uttered to 911 operator about Treyvon!!!

Jack Cox
Jack Cox
  • Shirley Fashano

when color becomes a variable then to ignore it is to make an opinion without access to the variables, sort of like obama did when he interfered after the police had evaluated all the evidence and closed the case, obama brought it on, for one reason, misdirection

Jack Cox
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  • Shirley Fashano

Jewbaby VP Jewbaby yup you were there, like the police and know all the crime scene evidence, I wonder why you didn't close the case ijke the professionals did ?

Jack Cox
Jack Cox
  • Shirley Fashano

untold thousands of south africans die of starvation, its their own fault, they have a mentality problem, blaming everything, and everyone, but where the real fault rests, within their own ranks

Gwen Bornhoft
Gwen Bornhoft

It was never intended for what happened to Treyvon but people take things out of context ususally when they need to so it jsut should not be there...Zimmerman was Neighborhood Watch he broke every rule thatis in place for everyones safety, ie, No weaponms, do not pursue, do not confront, call police, keep as low a profile as you can..I think when this all comes out he will be guilty of something, such a shame two lives and ttwo families are lost for one persone to be a herro....He is what...

It was never intended for what happened to Treyvon but people take things out of context ususally when they need to so it jsut should not be there...Zimmerman was Neighborhood Watch he broke every rule thatis in place for everyones safety, ie, No weaponms, do not pursue, do not confront, call police, keep as low a profile as you can..I think when this all comes out he will be guilty of something, such a shame two lives and ttwo families are lost for one persone to be a herro....He is what he is and no amount of arguing will ever change that, I have bern Neighborhood Watch for a long time and wow have never had to shoot anyone, imagine that!

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Gwen Bornhoft

gwen he was not neighborhood watch at the time, but going shopping

Michael Cosine
Michael Cosine
  • Gwen Bornhoft

Get you facts straight he was not Neighborhood watch when this happened!

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  • Gwen Bornhoft

Gwen Bornhoft: Respect to u,,for ur comment..well said and true..oh so true!!

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  • Gwen Bornhoft

Gwen: ur right sweetie!!

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  • Gwen Bornhoft

Michael Devlin he thought he was a bounty hunter mr.Devlin [:

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Gwen Bornhoft

Jewbaby VP Jewbaby · please provide evidence for your libelous accusation.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez

only the ones who are afraid of getting shot brakeing into some ones home, want the law changed... look at who causes 85% of the crime in fla, sanford P.D. shoud of checked the march for outstanding warrants..the crime rate has gone DOWN..homey will think twice before mugging a 60-70 year old retired in a walmart parking lot. if zimmerman did not follow the law then only he should pay for it..the fools who say '' take immediate '' steps before the/all fact are known are plain dumb and to say...

only the ones who are afraid of getting shot brakeing into some ones home, want the law changed... look at who causes 85% of the crime in fla, sanford P.D. shoud of checked the march for outstanding warrants..the crime rate has gone DOWN..homey will think twice before mugging a 60-70 year old retired in a walmart parking lot. if zimmerman did not follow the law then only he should pay for it..the fools who say '' take immediate '' steps before the/all fact are known are plain dumb and to say up to a year is dumber.. every thing is known by now and even within 48 hrs...csi will tell the FACTS...witnesses will talk/have talked...find another knee jerking cause to mouth off about.. because when some one is breaking into YOUR house you will be glad there's a stand your ground backing you up...

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  • Roy Rodriguez

Don't have an issue witht "Self Defence" Have an Issue with "IN COLD BLOOD"!!!

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Roy Rodriguez

There is ample evidence to refute the suggestion of "IN COLD BLOOD" and support the claim of self defense. How you are seemingly unaware of this, I don't know.

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  • Roy Rodriguez

MR. I HAVE NEVER STATED THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH SELF DEFENSE!!! THERE ARE AND COULD B MANY ABUSES OF THE STAND UR GROUND!! AND WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU TROLLING ME!!! PLEASE GO PICK ON SOMEONE UR OWN SIZE!! I AM BIGGER!!

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  • Roy Rodriguez

OMG!! Lane Lombarardia : Must u speak over my Flippin Shoulder Constantly? We shall see about the evidence...Think u may b surprised!!

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  • Roy Rodriguez

Again i notice that Mr. Lombaradia has removed his previous statements.

Jack Cox
Jack Cox
  • Roy Rodriguez

what ? you have a muse in your pocket ha ha ha

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  • Roy Rodriguez

Jackie Cox...i do believe u might be Mr. Lombaradias new profile...since he has decided to leave...

James Penton
James Penton

The law as it stands is an invitation to murder. It shows the utter backwardness of Florida which, like most southern states, is still living in the old south psychologically with its racism and disrespect of human life when the human in question has a black skin.

Angela Cappa Gonzales
Angela Cappa Gonzales
  • James Penton

VERY well put.

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • James Penton

Your accusation of racism is of cold comfort for black men who are, statistically, the overwhelming murder target of other black men. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls

Gun control, historically, has always been racist. The term "Saturday Night Special" is, by definition, racist. If you don't know what it actually means, look it up.

James Penton
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  • James Penton

I am not one who goes to Florida. I have been there about three times in my life and don't think I have created any problems for anyone. But this I do know. Many , many Northerners have settled in Florida, as have Canadians, Europeans and Latin Americans. And it is really they who have developed the state and made it fairly healthy economically. Otherwise it might be as backward as Louisiana or Mississippi. But that has nothing to do with the Martin case or the legislation which allows...

I am not one who goes to Florida. I have been there about three times in my life and don't think I have created any problems for anyone. But this I do know. Many , many Northerners have settled in Florida, as have Canadians, Europeans and Latin Americans. And it is really they who have developed the state and made it fairly healthy economically. Otherwise it might be as backward as Louisiana or Mississippi. But that has nothing to do with the Martin case or the legislation which allows people to kill others and claim self defense. Joseph Moore writing above has said, "if you do some research most places that have high rates of firearm ownership are actually lower in violent crime rankings." But those statistics are nonsense; they are taken from certain areas in the United States and do not contrast violent crime rates with those nations and peoples who have strict gun controls and don't allow people to carry pistols. When certain Americans (but not all in many parts of the country) make claims of the sort Moore does, it indicates that they are terribly parochial and know practically nothing about how other peoples live in the industrialized world. In some ways such Americans are among the most socially backward people in the developed world.

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  • James Penton

james Penton:Respect ur thinking..racism breeds ignorance breeds racism!! shalom!! Light and Love!!

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  • James Penton

Applaud you Sir!!!

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  • James Penton

WooooW Mr. Penton..Racism and Disrespect of Human life...correct...correct...Correct!!!

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  • James Penton

Don't believe u r qualified to speak for comforting Black men with stupid useless stats. Lane Limbardia;. It is people who have the mind set of Zimmermon who Black Men have to fear!!

Thor Kuniholm
Thor Kuniholm

The easy availability of weapons in the U.S. certainly contributes to the high rate of murders, especially in the urban areas--witness the efforts of big city mayors to control their use. The Second Amendment to the Constitution was passed at a time when the federal government had no standing army, thus, stipulating the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms..." to provide for the defense of the country. This situation no longer applies and therefore stricter gun laws should be passed...

The easy availability of weapons in the U.S. certainly contributes to the high rate of murders, especially in the urban areas--witness the efforts of big city mayors to control their use. The Second Amendment to the Constitution was passed at a time when the federal government had no standing army, thus, stipulating the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms..." to provide for the defense of the country. This situation no longer applies and therefore stricter gun laws should be passed to reduce the incidence of violence in this country. In my opinion, "stand your ground" laws should apply only to one's home or business.

Glenn Vincent Stearns
Glenn Vincent Stearns
  • Thor Kuniholm

I almost agree with you sir. I believe stand your ground is to protect your life and the lives of other innocents from those who would do harm, and you fear for your and/or their lives. Businesses and houses can be replaced, but to avoid a home invasion situation I think the use of a firearm is quite a good solution.

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  • Thor Kuniholm

Thor Kuniholm...Respect for ur Wisdom sir.

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  • Thor Kuniholm

Sir..wisely stated..i applaud u..unlike some of these peoples statements!!

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  • Thor Kuniholm

I agree to this mr.

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Jack Cox
Jack Cox
  • Thor Kuniholm

what ? only criminals should have guns, about like it is now with all the mass shootings, If people were armed the shooters would think twice about getting themselves killed when thy take out a piece in a crown and start firing. Have live in places where people were the guns on their belt, in places where you are not allowed to have a gun, I much prefer the gun on the belt, it eliminates crime. The statistics show it to be true. The 2nd amendment is the law of the land until some fancy...

what ? only criminals should have guns, about like it is now with all the mass shootings, If people were armed the shooters would think twice about getting themselves killed when thy take out a piece in a crown and start firing. Have live in places where people were the guns on their belt, in places where you are not allowed to have a gun, I much prefer the gun on the belt, it eliminates crime. The statistics show it to be true. The 2nd amendment is the law of the land until some fancy lawyer who all carry try and take our guns so they can do whatever they want.

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

I agree with a few comments that I've read; the "Stand Your Ground" law does not mean if you're a teenager you can be killed for Walking While Black, eating skittles, wearing hood (covering for the head and neck and sometimes the face) Webster's Definition and walking in your own neighborhood. Now zimmerman feared for his life this is his defense, Why continue the pursuit after being told to stand down! It's like he went out for neighborhood watch and said " I'm going to take the law into...

I agree with a few comments that I've read; the "Stand Your Ground" law does not mean if you're a teenager you can be killed for Walking While Black, eating skittles, wearing hood (covering for the head and neck and sometimes the face) Webster's Definition and walking in your own neighborhood. Now zimmerman feared for his life this is his defense, Why continue the pursuit after being told to stand down! It's like he went out for neighborhood watch and said " I'm going to take the law into my own hands tonight" regardless to what the Police say I'm above the law and I'll just take the defense of the "Stand Your Ground" law. zimmerman made this racial not the people! and yeah if it were a white kid and a black person on neighborhood watch and a killing had taken place, the "Stand Your Ground" law would be obsolete. Everybody not just black folk can be accused of passing judgement. Especially when you out and out accused Trayvon of being a thug. If there was a Facebook page back when, what would your page look like and what would you be accused of being affiliated with? I'm just saying nobody is exempt from this ridicule! Thanks for Serving our Country Glenn and Robert thanks for your comments. We can agree to disagree with each other as adults and not want to engage in "Stand Your Ground" because of disagreements. The battle is not yours it's the Lords!

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Like you said the facts if there's any left will speak for itself! I'm not the judge of the jury and one thing is clear that by sworn authorities he was told to stand down!

Lane Lombardia
Lane Lombardia
  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Rosalind Gamble by his own testimony, he had, unless you're asserting that Mr. Zimmerman believed that Mr. Martin had gone back to Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle and was waiting for him there. Otherwise, going back to his vehicle would be standing down. Strictly speaking, however, he was not told to stand down. He was told "we don't need you to do that". They are not synonymous. Claiming they are the same is playing Monday morning quarterback. I don't know if that is your intention or if I am...

Rosalind Gamble by his own testimony, he had, unless you're asserting that Mr. Zimmerman believed that Mr. Martin had gone back to Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle and was waiting for him there. Otherwise, going back to his vehicle would be standing down. Strictly speaking, however, he was not told to stand down. He was told "we don't need you to do that". They are not synonymous. Claiming they are the same is playing Monday morning quarterback. I don't know if that is your intention or if I am misreading you. Perhaps you could elaborate and rephrase your statement, so we can both be certain that your contention is being understood in the manner you intend.

Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness
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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia you did not misread my words, however; it appears by your words you have a tad bit more incite about this incident than I do as if you've spoken with Zimmerman in the flesh. Depending on the broadcasting station you listen too, the actual accountability of the case has been announce to the public in several metaphors @ this point as I reiterated earlier lets really let the authorities figure out the true facts and go from there while the evidence is still accessible to both...

Lane Lombardia you did not misread my words, however; it appears by your words you have a tad bit more incite about this incident than I do as if you've spoken with Zimmerman in the flesh. Depending on the broadcasting station you listen too, the actual accountability of the case has been announce to the public in several metaphors @ this point as I reiterated earlier lets really let the authorities figure out the true facts and go from there while the evidence is still accessible to both Attorneys and the prosecutors for review! There's been enough media involvement that has translated and construed the actual police recording and actual findings. God will have his way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia U sure are rambling and completely off iin ur statements...ke was told "We don't need u to chase him..beat him..shoot him and go back and sit on his dead body..he called him a coon for god's sake..ur trying to make this some type of glorified Constitutional Issue makes me sick!! The Boy Was Shot and Killed!! Get Informed!! Then And Only Then Can you say you are an Informed Individual!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Oh Rosalind..u so right!!1

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Rosalind Gamble the facts do stand hon.There must b Justice for Trayvon and i pray the truth prevails!!

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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

Lane Lombardia: had Zimmermon stayed in this condo that night and not tried to play "Deputy Dawg" Trayvon would be alive!! Zimmermon has a past history of complaints, run ins with police and melting in general . he was an ANTAGONIST!! he enjoyed interfering and making issues his business!!

Jack Cox
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  • Ros Greatisthyfaithfullness

You could be barac hussain obamas son >

Nina Blackburn
Nina Blackburn

If people did not abuse the law there would be no issue. This law is there to provide you with protection. I would love this law to be introduced in England, the way it is here is disgusting. A man can break into your home and attempt to rape you and if you harm him "YOU" will be prosecuted, it is the criminal who is protected here. Every man and woman should have the right to defend themselves, thier family and what is there's and this law is a blessing as far as I can see. However, I...

If people did not abuse the law there would be no issue. This law is there to provide you with protection. I would love this law to be introduced in England, the way it is here is disgusting. A man can break into your home and attempt to rape you and if you harm him "YOU" will be prosecuted, it is the criminal who is protected here. Every man and woman should have the right to defend themselves, thier family and what is there's and this law is a blessing as far as I can see. However, I wonder to what level England would use the law if we replaced this pathetic "new age parenting" with the discipline that was instilled in me. I would go as far as to say we should have the death penalty--why the hell should the Yorkshire Ripper still be breathing? I knew Josephine Whittaker went to school with the brother Michael and I worked with two of the daughters of one of his other victims, this bastard should have been put against a wall and shot. Do I think your state should abolish this law? No I bloody well don't!

Nicol Victoria
Nicol Victoria
  • Nina Blackburn

I absolutly agree. God help anybody who tries to break in our house coz they'll get more than they bargained for, no matter what the consequences! x

Nina Blackburn
Nina Blackburn
  • Nina Blackburn

Les you are living in world which where clearly you are the only one--do you avoid watching the news aor reading the newspapers--10 year old girls being raped in thier own homes whilst thier mothers are held at knife point!!! Old people being battered half to death in thier own homes for the sake of a few pounds!! You are clearly a very stupid man and clearly have a very poor ability to put your point across without being abusive towards other people when you disagree with thier opinion. ...

Les you are living in world which where clearly you are the only one--do you avoid watching the news aor reading the newspapers--10 year old girls being raped in thier own homes whilst thier mothers are held at knife point!!! Old people being battered half to death in thier own homes for the sake of a few pounds!! You are clearly a very stupid man and clearly have a very poor ability to put your point across without being abusive towards other people when you disagree with thier opinion. I suggest you grow up a little bit and open your eyes, ears unless ofcourse your true opinion is that as long as these things do not happen in your home then they are not really happening----fool!!!!!!!

Karen Hayburn
Karen Hayburn
  • Nina Blackburn

Les, if the 'night stalker' had broke in and raped your mother in her own home would you have the same opinion? Maybe you are right and the Daily Telegraph is wrong. People are entitled to their own opinion, its called Freedom of Speech. You should re read Ninas post and the re read yours. The only one who clearly has issues here is you!

Michael Cosine
Michael Cosine
  • Nina Blackburn

Iin the US many folks of European descent have a very pervasive sense of guilt over the fact that over 400 years ago a small percentage of our ancestors bought native Africans from other Africans brought them to America and forced them work and frankly treated them very badly: worse than we can probably understand in this modern day. This is an accepted historical fact along with the deplorable treatment of the Native American tribes whom they did try to enslave at one point but the...

Iin the US many folks of European descent have a very pervasive sense of guilt over the fact that over 400 years ago a small percentage of our ancestors bought native Africans from other Africans brought them to America and forced them work and frankly treated them very badly: worse than we can probably understand in this modern day. This is an accepted historical fact along with the deplorable treatment of the Native American tribes whom they did try to enslave at one point but the Europeans were unable to force them into slavery. This guilt can be very strong even though the ancestors of most modern day Americans immigrated to the US after the civil war and the abolition of slavery. Mainly because of this guilt many things are allowed to an African American versus for example if your grandparents were Italian or Swedish or Irish etc. Despite many attempts at legislating the issue away (affirmative action laws etc.) But since Mother Nature likes everything in balance we are currently seeing somewhat of a backlash (the pendulum swings both ways) in short many people of European Descent as well as our newest immigrants from many diverse cultures all over the Earth i.e. (China, S. America, Eastern Europe Mexico, Vietnam Etc.) are learning that being a citizen with rights also means that citizenship comes with responsibilities and obligations to society. One of these is to defend not only yourself but your family and neighbors. In order for this to happen laws like Sttand Your Ground must exist.

Audrey Dunham
Audrey Dunham
  • Nina Blackburn

Nina Blackburn. if, if if, if. that is the words you use. define if. My point to you if you are from America stop them saying GOD BLESS AMERICA. THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WILL BLESS AMERICA

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  • Nina Blackburn

No one broke into anyones house..a child was chased,shoot and killed!! That is the point not the right to bear arms and protect oneself and family!! Zimmermon was a bully and a racist!!

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips

If one is in imminent fear of loss-of-consciousness or death during an assault or altercation, one has the natural (meta-legal) right to defend oneself, up to and including the use of lethal force of whatever sort. The reason I include fear of imminent loss-of-consciousness is because if one is fear that one might be rendered unconscious, and thus totally incapacitated, then the implication is that one would then be at the mercy of one assailant, and that that said assailant could *then* do...

If one is in imminent fear of loss-of-consciousness or death during an assault or altercation, one has the natural (meta-legal) right to defend oneself, up to and including the use of lethal force of whatever sort. The reason I include fear of imminent loss-of-consciousness is because if one is fear that one might be rendered unconscious, and thus totally incapacitated, then the implication is that one would then be at the mercy of one assailant, and that that said assailant could *then* do whatever they might wish--including, of course, kill you--and you'd be totally incapacitated to do anything about it. And, contrary to Dean Shamblen, Neil R. Friedman, and others commenting here, one not only has the natural (meta-legal, meta-constitutional) *right* to care a handgun, but there certainly can be contexts, contrary to Neil Friedman, in which carrying a handgun (whether open-carry or concealed) is, if not perfectly reasonable, then at least far from especially unreasonable. Now, 2nd Amendment rights can be (minimally) regulated, but certainly NOT outright *abrogated*, as far too many here seem cavalierly all-too-sanguine/complacent about! One not only should NOT be required to retreat (i.e., as distinguished from "standing one's ground"), oftentimes retreat is simply not (or no longer) a viable option. If a man is assaulted-&-battered, and comes to be in not-unreasonable fear of imminently being rendered unconscious, and thus incapacitated to further (be able to) defend his life-&/or-limb, then he has the right to use whatever force is necessary, up to and including lethal force, to repel the attack. Ethically & jurisprudentially speaking, this is virtually **axiomatic**. So, with all due respect to whomever, let's dial-down all the bleeding-heart whining, gnashing-of-teeth, and hand-wringing.

The entire Trayvon Martin & George Zimmerman affair is indeed tragic. IF Zimmerman's story is true, then the shooting is justified under the law. Notice that I said 'IF'. Ideally, we *need* witness corroboration (or perhaps contradiction) of Zimmerman's account. IF Zimmerman was assaulted from behind, IF he was battered to the ground, IF he was in fear of imminent incapacitation and thus possible **death** at the hands of his assailant, then, again, the shooting is justified. That's a lot of 'IFs'. Third-party EYEWITNESS testimony is thus not only to be much preferred, but VITAL here to get at the TRUTH.

All that said, however, the "Stand Your Ground" law is really virtually axiomatic. One might seek clarification and refinement of it in terms of application, but the law itself is virtually unassailable, being grounded in the natural right of self-defense.

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  • Mark Phillips

True what u say but that law does not entail.."STAKING FOR SPORT!!"

Lane Lombardia
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  • Mark Phillips

Neither does this case entail, "STAKING FOR SPORT!!" I presume you meant S T A L K I N G.

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  • Mark Phillips

Stop Stalking me please and look out for ur own family...with ur ideas u need to!!

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  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombardia: There u r again Sir "Trolling" after me. We simply must stop meeting like this!!! Of Course i meant Stalking!!!

Lara Nunes
Lara Nunes
  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombaria DO NOT FEED THE jewbaby TROLL

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Jewbaby VP Jewbaby
  • Mark Phillips

I noticed that Mr. Lane Lombardia has removed his comments now...Thank you very much...although u do not intimidate me...just imagine though how Treyvon felt that night..bring followed for no reason!!!

Jack Cox
Jack Cox
  • Mark Phillips

there should be no laws which violate the 2nd amendment, we should have liberty to carry anything we may so desire to protect ourselves in this world possessed by crime. i for one would like access to surface to air missiles, and metal piercing hardware sufficient to take our armored personnel carriers, if obama keeps on destroying our military we face eminent invasion, from within,from the born again black muslim soft cells tracking our power station transformers, telephone relay stations,...

there should be no laws which violate the 2nd amendment, we should have liberty to carry anything we may so desire to protect ourselves in this world possessed by crime. i for one would like access to surface to air missiles, and metal piercing hardware sufficient to take our armored personnel carriers, if obama keeps on destroying our military we face eminent invasion, from within,from the born again black muslim soft cells tracking our power station transformers, telephone relay stations, water control stations, dams, bridges, runways, seeking an afroamerica, they are among us pretending to be american when they are against us, not nearly all, but a significant number willing to act against america, when the time comes up, rapidly approaching with our current commander and chief.

Jack Cox
Jack Cox
  • Mark Phillips

Lane Lombardia some people imagine they are being stalked if someone disagrees with with their views

Seán Smith
Seán Smith

I don't reside in America, but this so called law is an affront to human rights and dignity, it has to be repealed, good luck! :)

Ted Perry
Ted Perry
  • Seán Smith

if you don t live here then you don t have any say you dont know what its like to be a father of five raising you re kids with out help from anyone making 20.000 a year then have some punk come take it away so butt the hell out you use youre own judgement if you make a mistake you stand up and pay for it like a man don t hide be hind the laws read the bible it still stands at my home eye for an eye

Steve Hollander
Steve Hollander
  • Seán Smith

If you don.t live in America, better yet if you don't live in Florida, then stay out of the conversation.

Roy Rodriguez
Roy Rodriguez
  • Seán Smith

Ted Perry amen brother its all the out siders who seem to know whats best

Seán Smith
Seán Smith
  • Seán Smith

Ted Perry ,sorry to see that you don't approve of what i said terry and that is your entitlement but as for not knowing what it is like i've lived through the worse of the "troubles" that happened here in northern ireland,in constant fear of something happening to my loved ones,had a cousin shot dead but wanted those who commited this crime to be brought to justice,had a 45 put to my head but the gun jammed and i managed to escape,had a work friend shot at and thank God it was a flesh wound...

Ted Perry ,sorry to see that you don't approve of what i said terry and that is your entitlement but as for not knowing what it is like i've lived through the worse of the "troubles" that happened here in northern ireland,in constant fear of something happening to my loved ones,had a cousin shot dead but wanted those who commited this crime to be brought to justice,had a 45 put to my head but the gun jammed and i managed to escape,had a work friend shot at and thank God it was a flesh wound just because he was a Catholic,had bombs placed near my home and narrowly escaped bombs going off whilst i was shopping with my family,brought up my son through the bombings and bullets that reigned through over 40 years and was intimidated out of a job because of my republican views and NEVER ONCE did i wish any harm to anyone,or wish to CAUSE harm to anyoneas for using the bible to air your views did not our lord Jesus say that He had come to change the law?? and did He not also say "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbour" and as for me" butting my nose out" as you put it perhaps your goverment should take your view and" butt" out of Iraq immediatley and save the lives of the brave men of the Army and Air force stationed there.i wish you all the best Seán Smith :)

Irene Hunter
Irene Hunter
  • Seán Smith

Steve Hollander, maybe, your attitude should extend to work and oil ownership by Americans in Alberta.

Roxanne Knol
Roxanne Knol
  • Seán Smith

Steve Hollander and here I was thinking it was an OPEN conversation... no disrespect but why so hostile? freedom of speech was the main for gun support in the first place if I'm told right...

Ron Proffitt
Ron Proffitt
  • Seán Smith

I have many times in the 60/70 I lived in Monroe I wouldn't go down at nite unless I had a gun,,, Does Detroit have a Stand Your Ground Law??? If not it needs one with all the Crime there.

Joe Reid
Joe Reid
  • Seán Smith

If you don't live here then it's really none of your business......Whether or not you or your friendscan legally own a weapon is irrelevant.,..the criminals will ALWAYS have weapons.. I don't carry a weapon because I'm in fear of the other law abiding citizens such as my self that are responsible gun owners and sportsmen, I carry a weapon to protect myself and my family against people that don't abide by the law....

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