The official definition of treason is "The crime of betraying one's country, esp. by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government." A British soldier was brutally murdered, butchered even and I do not deny that this is terrible. But how can you sign a petiton for something the murderer didn't even commit? If you this gets accepted we would agh
If you get this accepted we would have to convict every person who killed a British soldier of treason.
Finally, another sane person.
Thanks for the comments regards the petition! This answer also relates to Callums comment below. The Act of Treason dating back to 1351 and all following legislation there after relates to many different crimes. As the Law stands today these individuals and any individuals committing similar offences in the future will be punished with a maximum of life imprisonment. This we feel is not satisfactory with todays threat. Although many would like to see the death penalty reinstated, realisticly...
Thanks for the comments regards the petition! This answer also relates to Callums comment below. The Act of Treason dating back to 1351 and all following legislation there after relates to many different crimes. As the Law stands today these individuals and any individuals committing similar offences in the future will be punished with a maximum of life imprisonment. This we feel is not satisfactory with todays threat. Although many would like to see the death penalty reinstated, realisticly this would never happen, what we are asking for is for the Government to revise and reinstate the Law of Treason to which is best suited in today's society. These individuals killed Drummer Lee Rigby because he was a British Soldier, one of the Suspected murderers have admitted this, therefore the attack was a direct attack on the Crown along with attacking our culture, his death in the eyes of these individuals was an attack simply because he was a Crowned Soldier.
As these individuals are British Citizens this offence does constitute an Act of Treason. Individuals in the past have been sentenced to death under the treason Act for less severe offences. Although we all have different views and opinions I would like to think that we all find the act of Terrorism terrible and I would like to think that we would all like the Government to take these acts much more seriously, this Petition was created to ask the Government simply that.
I might have liked the wrong thing. This was a terrible act, but in no way is it treason. HATE this whole cause thing, and only went on it to say how wrong it is.
Again, rereading my response, I'm not saying what I meant to. I hate the desire to condemn two -what, idiots, nutters, deluded types?- for treason. Not sure if treason should still be on the statute books as it can be used to describe anyone who acts against the government of the time.
And do not support the death penalty.
This is ridiculous, you can't try people for something they haven't done, regardless of the nature of the crime. Besides, these 'amendments' to the law are hardly sensible, not to mention poorly written. Why the hell has treason even been addressed? We do not need the death penalty in this country because we live in a 21st century, civilised democracy that sees all murder, by state or otherwise as wrong. Grow up.
This is why British people are idiots. Some Muslims kill a guy, yes it is sick, and then the British population gets all angry of this, acceptable. But killing these Muslims because of this A. Only makes Martyrs B. Makes us as bad as them and C. Enables Muslims the right to have all of you people executed for the same reasons. Leave it up to the people who know what they are doing, i.e the Law.
How dare you call ALL British people idiots. Have you not seen what is happening to other Muslims as well as minorities at the hands of jihadists? I don't WANT us to get involved in any wars in Islamic countries but that doesn't mean I don't know what these people are trying to achieve and NO it does not go back to any specific war it goes back to an Arab in the desert deciding he wanted to carve an Arab led Empire, he took to the sword and it has NEVER stopped since. Give me one of your...
How dare you call ALL British people idiots. Have you not seen what is happening to other Muslims as well as minorities at the hands of jihadists? I don't WANT us to get involved in any wars in Islamic countries but that doesn't mean I don't know what these people are trying to achieve and NO it does not go back to any specific war it goes back to an Arab in the desert deciding he wanted to carve an Arab led Empire, he took to the sword and it has NEVER stopped since. Give me one of your cliched little justifications for what happened in Syria recently with a jidadist filmed cutting out and eating the heart of an Assad supporter. Try reading the Koran and the Surah's and the history of the spread of Islam before branding an entire nation of people as idiots.
If these guys plead not guilty on the grounds on the rounds of Jihad or Holy War then they will be stating they are at war with this country and will therefore guilty of treason. Hung by their own petard so to speak!!
Just to let you know. Jihad doesn't mean holy war. It means to struggle. Islam is not about mass killings, its about peace. Every religion has its bad eggs. Don't blame religion.
I am not ignoran tof these issues and Idon't think I was blaming religion Steph. I was just making the point that if these guys are British Nationals and if they say they are at war with Britain Holy and they may see it or otherwsise they should be deemed to be traitiors and tried accordingly. That should apply to all Terrorists that make war on this country and hold our Citizenship.
Its about peace? Well they show it in a very fucking brutal way dont they!
I have signed the petition...I hope the terrorists who murdered Lee Rigby will be punished as it was a cold blooded premeditated murder of a young soldier, he did not deserve this, my thoughts and prayers are with Lee and his family
LETS ALL STAND TOGETHER ON THIS ONE OUR PEOPLE UNITE . M L HILDITCH .
we live in hope x
To be be found guilty of treason - the penalty was death by hanging, drawing and quartering (for a man) or drawing and burning (for a woman), and the traitor's property would escheat to the Crown; in the case of a petty treason the penalty was drawing and hanging without quartering, or burning without drawing; and property escheated only to the traitor's immediate lord.
They had the right idea in 1351, the death penalty is the very least that should happen to these evil cowards.
That would make us as disgusting as them, they just want a bullet in the head or hanging or even lethal injection.
I wish the penalty for treason were still the death penalty in this case... Hung, drawn and quartered would make an example of them, it's the trouble nowadays and it's why their getting away with it is because this once great country has lost it's balls and so have 95% of it's people.... You think our ancestors who fought countless wars to keep our people safe from foreign invaders would have tolerated this? I'm so ashamed I was born in this time period.
When you describe Britain as a "once great country" presumably you are refering to a time when our ancestors were in the habit of invading other countires, massacring the native inhabitants and then stealing their natural resources? And when you say Britain has "lost its balls" presmably you mean that its people have learned that there are more appropriate and just ways of responding to crime that instinctively chopping an offender in to pieces?
I have sign the petition and shared it on my facebook
No need for death penalty, but those who forget to whom and to whcih country they have pledged their allegiance must be removed from the UK and all its dependent territories. This should be extended to those who wish to apply such barbaric laws as the so-called "Sharia Law" anywhere in the UK and its dependent territories.