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senate Bill S. Joint Res. 14

Should the Trump Admin’s Methane Emissions Rule Be Reversed & the Obama Era Regulation Be Reinstated?

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Methane is a significant greenhouse gas that contributes to climate change, and the Trump administration’s effort to loosen regulations requiring oil and gas companies to curb emissions during the production, processing, transmission, and storage stages represented a significant setback for efforts to combat climate. This bill would reinstate the Obama era rules on methane emissions.

jimK's Opinion
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04/28/2021
UPDATED WITH A MINOR ‘ASIDE’ COMMENT: Any rational person concerned by the evolving climate crisis would want methane containment rules to be at least as restrictive as those set by the Obama administration and probably even more. There are no currently available methods for carbon sequestration from combustion sources to limit CO2 emission rates which are currently increasing at rates never before seen on earth in it’s geological history. Methane which is emitted at much lower rates than CO2, is 34 times a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. … … … AN ASIDE COMMENT: The potency of methane as a greenhouse gas compared to the potency of CO2 tends to be quoted at 24 to 28 times by biochemists and quoted at 34 times by climatologists, recently. I am not sure why these numbers are different but I suspect it may have something to do with isolated measurements in a laboratory setting without considering climate related factors such as the depth at which these greenhouse gases tend to deposit in the atmosphere and therefore the density of the different gases - but, for now, this is a troubling minor mystery for me which I acknowledge but have yet to figure out. … … … The fossil fuel industry will have to be seriously curtailed and quickly in order to prevent a self-sustaining and accelerating global chemical reaction from heating the planet to the point where it cannot be stopped by any known man-made means, even if we globally reach net-zero CO2 emission rates. The fossil fuel industry is dying and trying to prevent it’s death will only increase the likelihood of the planet’s death due to global warming. Oil will still be needed albeit at lower levels for the production of lubricants, plastics, textiles, synthetic rubber, pharmaceuticals, construction materials and others - but very little fossil fuel. … … … There is current research for source capture of CO2 in stationary power plants by mixing the CO2 with some economical chemicals and pressure injecting this into porous basaltic rock strata where it forms a limestone-like product within the basaltic rock. Basaltic rock strata is fairly common at various depths around the planet and this may be a safe way of sequestering CO2 if it can be shown to be safe and effective at scale. … … … Aircraft will still have to use fossil fuels but commercial aircraft can become much more efficient by operating gas turbines at their most efficient speeds to generate electrical power to drive ducted props. The large diameter fan blades at the front of commercial turboprop engines are actually ducted props which provide 70% of the engine thrust and are powered directly by the gas turbine engine embedded in the nacelle. Neither the gas turbine engine nor the ducted propeller can operate at peak efficiency in all conditions. This is the approach used by modern cruise ships and some military ships - where gas turbines operating at peak performance generate electrical power for all ship functions including propulsion, sea water desalination and well, everything that functions. … … … The point is that protecting and subsidizing the fossil fuel industry’s ability to extract and refine oil is a losing proposition overall and the country’s resources need to be directed to higher priorities. Keeping loosened restrictions on methane emissions contributes to global warming and is just plain dangerous.
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larubia's Opinion
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04/28/2021
Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas—it has a much shorter lifetime in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide, but a much greater warming potential while it lasts. Methane is “about 28 times more powerful than carbon dioxide at warming the Earth, on a 100-year timescale, and more than 80 times more powerful over 20 years. The effects aren’t just hypothetical: Since the Industrial Revolution, methane concentrations in the atmosphere have more than doubled, and about 20 percent of the warming the planet has experienced can be attributed to the gas.”-National Geographic, 2019 “Placing stricter methane emission regulations on the fossil fuel industry will have the potential to reduce future global warming to a larger extent than previously thought,” —Hmiel, Scientific American 2020 We should also reduce consumption of beef, if we want to make a dent in methane gas reduction & preservation of the South American rainforests. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/methane
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burrkitty's Opinion
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04/29/2021
Stop the oil and gas subsidies and I guarantee that efficiency will increase rapidly.
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Argument opposed

Reinstating the harmful Obama era methane regulations will hamper the continued growth of America’s energy sector and raise costs for consumers. It's also unnecessary given that methane emissions have declined as U.S. oil and gas production increased, which is largely due to oil and gas producers having a clear incentive to prevent methane leaks by capturing it and putting it to productive use.

Freethinker's Opinion
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04/28/2021
Why? For the past decade methane gas has declined and it has definitely not risen since Trump removed this unnecessary red tape. It has however made America less dependent on our adversaries for energy and has helped decrease oil and gas prices for all Americans. Again follow the science and remove the bias so actual meaningful legislation is geared towards improving our environment while not putting America at risk of relying on others and weakening our global security. Update: I see comments about articles supporting my claims and I’ve posted legitimate articles in the past for you leftist but you continue to dispute even unbiased or even left-biased resources. So you can look it up yourself. I suggest not to use google as they are biased too. I recommend EBSCO, American Geosciences, Ovid databases.
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B.R.'s Opinion
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04/28/2021
The summary/justification by Andrew Wheeler says it all. Leave well enough alone. The Democrats are just interested in reversing anything and everything the prior administration has put in place, whether it is for the better or not. Will they ever learn from their mistakes and GROW THE HELL UP. @Dave: Let me try to put it in simple terms for you. I do not have a problem reversing a prior administration's decision if it is for the best, but if the intent is to reverse for the sake of reversing, then no.
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Robert's Opinion
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04/28/2021
This isn’t the Biden administration it’s Obama’s third. It’s starting to become quite obvious that the entire administration’s people were in the Obama administration. Biden doesn’t have a clue as to what he is doing. It is the administration of “throw out everything trump accomplished, and put socialism in place”. Russia is pushing us around, China is threatening, Iran is harassing our ship in the gulf. What comes next-terrorists entering the US through the open borders act of Biden. How soon will it all come tumbling down on our heads?
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    UPDATED WITH A MINOR ‘ASIDE’ COMMENT: Any rational person concerned by the evolving climate crisis would want methane containment rules to be at least as restrictive as those set by the Obama administration and probably even more. There are no currently available methods for carbon sequestration from combustion sources to limit CO2 emission rates which are currently increasing at rates never before seen on earth in it’s geological history. Methane which is emitted at much lower rates than CO2, is 34 times a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. … … … AN ASIDE COMMENT: The potency of methane as a greenhouse gas compared to the potency of CO2 tends to be quoted at 24 to 28 times by biochemists and quoted at 34 times by climatologists, recently. I am not sure why these numbers are different but I suspect it may have something to do with isolated measurements in a laboratory setting without considering climate related factors such as the depth at which these greenhouse gases tend to deposit in the atmosphere and therefore the density of the different gases - but, for now, this is a troubling minor mystery for me which I acknowledge but have yet to figure out. … … … The fossil fuel industry will have to be seriously curtailed and quickly in order to prevent a self-sustaining and accelerating global chemical reaction from heating the planet to the point where it cannot be stopped by any known man-made means, even if we globally reach net-zero CO2 emission rates. The fossil fuel industry is dying and trying to prevent it’s death will only increase the likelihood of the planet’s death due to global warming. Oil will still be needed albeit at lower levels for the production of lubricants, plastics, textiles, synthetic rubber, pharmaceuticals, construction materials and others - but very little fossil fuel. … … … There is current research for source capture of CO2 in stationary power plants by mixing the CO2 with some economical chemicals and pressure injecting this into porous basaltic rock strata where it forms a limestone-like product within the basaltic rock. Basaltic rock strata is fairly common at various depths around the planet and this may be a safe way of sequestering CO2 if it can be shown to be safe and effective at scale. … … … Aircraft will still have to use fossil fuels but commercial aircraft can become much more efficient by operating gas turbines at their most efficient speeds to generate electrical power to drive ducted props. The large diameter fan blades at the front of commercial turboprop engines are actually ducted props which provide 70% of the engine thrust and are powered directly by the gas turbine engine embedded in the nacelle. Neither the gas turbine engine nor the ducted propeller can operate at peak efficiency in all conditions. This is the approach used by modern cruise ships and some military ships - where gas turbines operating at peak performance generate electrical power for all ship functions including propulsion, sea water desalination and well, everything that functions. … … … The point is that protecting and subsidizing the fossil fuel industry’s ability to extract and refine oil is a losing proposition overall and the country’s resources need to be directed to higher priorities. Keeping loosened restrictions on methane emissions contributes to global warming and is just plain dangerous.
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    Why? For the past decade methane gas has declined and it has definitely not risen since Trump removed this unnecessary red tape. It has however made America less dependent on our adversaries for energy and has helped decrease oil and gas prices for all Americans. Again follow the science and remove the bias so actual meaningful legislation is geared towards improving our environment while not putting America at risk of relying on others and weakening our global security. Update: I see comments about articles supporting my claims and I’ve posted legitimate articles in the past for you leftist but you continue to dispute even unbiased or even left-biased resources. So you can look it up yourself. I suggest not to use google as they are biased too. I recommend EBSCO, American Geosciences, Ovid databases.
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    Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas—it has a much shorter lifetime in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide, but a much greater warming potential while it lasts. Methane is “about 28 times more powerful than carbon dioxide at warming the Earth, on a 100-year timescale, and more than 80 times more powerful over 20 years. The effects aren’t just hypothetical: Since the Industrial Revolution, methane concentrations in the atmosphere have more than doubled, and about 20 percent of the warming the planet has experienced can be attributed to the gas.”-National Geographic, 2019 “Placing stricter methane emission regulations on the fossil fuel industry will have the potential to reduce future global warming to a larger extent than previously thought,” —Hmiel, Scientific American 2020 We should also reduce consumption of beef, if we want to make a dent in methane gas reduction & preservation of the South American rainforests. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/methane
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    Stop the oil and gas subsidies and I guarantee that efficiency will increase rapidly.
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    We need to stop letting fossil fuel industries pollute our planet and work to transfer our energy sector to renewable resources that - surprise - can thrive and still employ people. We only keep with this system because of immense lobbying from greedy energy corporations.
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    Important to note in today’s vote on methane there were three Republican Senators willing to break with their MINORITY leader: Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham and Rob Portman Their actions should not be viewed as Republicans growing a conscience overnight. It is evidence of a wedge and possibly a signal that more Republicans are noticing their anti-human-centered policy rhetoric is NOT resonating with the voters.
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    Hey BR. What the F do you think Trump did? All he did was sign Executive Orders that reversed Obama’s work. He had not one original thought or solution. Deregulate and reverse was all he did. We need to do anything and everything we can, starting yesterday, to get a grip on our horrible environmental record. And if that starts with reversing Trump’s reversals than that’s what we do.
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    Expecting companies to prioritize self regulation over profits is not realistic as evidenced by the Texas power outage caused by not winterizing the facility operations after regulations were removed requiring it, and not being connected to out-of-state power grids as backup to avoid regulations. If the climate crisis is to be a priority it can not be left to actors who have other priorities like profits.
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    Every EO that the numbnuts administration made to reverse the Obama rules for climate change, needs to be restored to the original rule.
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    I live in the methane “hot spot” of the planet. Trust me oil and gas producers have not built any recapture infrastructure and it burns off into the atmosphere continuously. Support your planet not your politics!
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    I don't like the trend of constantly reversing the previous administration's actions, but in this case it's warranted. There was no scientific or economical reasoning for relaxing the restrictions on methane, and methane is a leading cause of climate change. The overwhelming majority of global scientists agree we must act quickly to stop gases like methane from changing our climate, and so this is necessary. Those who choose not to listen to science should stay out of government.
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    The oil and gas companies ARE SUPPORTING the idea of returning to the Obama administration’s methane tracking rules! Why is congress dragging their feet? We need some immediate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. My state of Utah and the rest of the West is likely to have another record wildfire season due to warmer temps and prolonged drought. We CAN’T keep making it worse!
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    The summary/justification by Andrew Wheeler says it all. Leave well enough alone. The Democrats are just interested in reversing anything and everything the prior administration has put in place, whether it is for the better or not. Will they ever learn from their mistakes and GROW THE HELL UP. @Dave: Let me try to put it in simple terms for you. I do not have a problem reversing a prior administration's decision if it is for the best, but if the intent is to reverse for the sake of reversing, then no.
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    This isn’t the Biden administration it’s Obama’s third. It’s starting to become quite obvious that the entire administration’s people were in the Obama administration. Biden doesn’t have a clue as to what he is doing. It is the administration of “throw out everything trump accomplished, and put socialism in place”. Russia is pushing us around, China is threatening, Iran is harassing our ship in the gulf. What comes next-terrorists entering the US through the open borders act of Biden. How soon will it all come tumbling down on our heads?
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    Our environment needs all the help it can get, as opposed to handouts to climate-damaging sources.
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    If we continue to damage our environments, atmosphere and ecosystems, the earth itself will correct the problem and we won't like it!
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    Reverse the irresponsible trump rollback of methane emissions. There is no reason to not capture it instead of just burning it off or w I rse simply releasing it into the atmosphere.
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    What Jimk said Excellent job jimk
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    There isn’t one thing Trump did that should be left in place. I would really like him to have to pay restitution to those public service individuals about whom he lied and negatively impacted their lives.
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    METHANE IS 80 TIMES MORE POTENT THAN CARBON DIOXIDE AS A GREENHOUSE GAS FOR 20 YEARS! It does degrade over time so old degraded methane is less potent. Damn right the Trump rule needs to be trashed!
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