senate Bill S. 3371
Should For-Profit Colleges Have to be Accredited & Show That Graduates Find Gainful Employment?
Argument in favor
All higher education institutions, regardless of tax status, should uphold their obligation to students by providing quality educations that lead to gainful employment in students’ fields of study. Making federal funds contingent upon institutions fulfilling this obligation is a commonsense consumer protection that will help students make informed decisions.
09/02/2018
If you call yourself a College, you need to be ACCREDITED. “Degrees” from non-accredited sources have another name: FRAUDULENT! Literally not worth the paper they are printed on.
09/02/2018
To vote ‘Nay’ on this bill would prove the extent of this administration to promote support for big business, (including for-profit-colleges/universities). If passed, this bill would not support the individual student, but to support the ‘business’. This has been the pattern of this administration. As our representatives, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to stand by your constituents, not big business.
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09/02/2018
DeVos is a shill for the for-profit educational businesses. She helped ruin public schools in Michigan. Don’t trust her. Pass this bill!
Argument opposed
Secretary DeVos’ proposed national database of all higher education institutions, not just for-profit and career programs, is a more comprehensive approach to helping students make educated decisions about their futures. The “gainful employment” standard may be inappropriate for certificate programs in certain professions, such as salons, which are tipped.
09/02/2018
When I went to college, I understood what I had to do in order to make myself marketable. In the end I did not achieve what I thought I could do and that was my own fault. The same goes for all future students; if you want to go to the right college or trade school, do your research first. Adults need to be responsible for their choices and colleges that are not accredited already suffer from a lack of student enrollment. It is the college’s ability and desire to be accredited and non-profit/for-profit. If they choose not to, then so be it, but the Federal government should not step in and make any private company do what they “think” is better.
09/02/2018
This is legislation from someone who has no concept of economics, of business, or of how consumer demand in the marketplace works. The market will dictate if those requirements are necessary. Colleges will get them if that is what consumers demand. Conversely, maybe there is a whole market out there that is willing to forego those assurances in order to have a cheaper education, and this regulation would make college prohibitively expensive for those individuals. It might even allow more regulated colleges not to have to compete on cost against what are currently less regulated colleges. Maybe that type of cronyism is even the point of this bill - it's to help protect high-priced, high-regulated colleges from having to face low-cost, low-regulated competition.
09/02/2018
THE RESPONSIBILITY RESTS WITH THE STUDENT
I’m in full agreement with “Fredrick’s” comment in that Students need to take responsibility for their actions when choosing their educational goals. They are at liberty to choose whatever schools they wish to attend and they are of adult age to do so. If they do not properly research their and they make a bad educational decision as to which school to attend, why should they blame the people' they failed to research. Bad schools will have that enrollment and go away. Good schools, accredited schools, with good reputations will flourish and enrollments go up.
Students need to take responsibility for their actions when choosing their educational goals. They are at liberty to choose whatever schools they wish to attend and they are of adult age to do so. The very definition of liberty is Freedom with responsibility! If not properly researched and they make a bad educational decision why should they blame the people they failed to research. Bad schools will have that enrollment and go away. Good schools, accredited schools, with good reputations will flourish and enrollments go up.
Secretary DeVos’ proposed national database of all higher education institutions, not just for-profit and career programs, is a more comprehensive approach to helping students make educated decisions about their futures. The “gainful employment” standard may be inappropriate for certificate programs in certain professions, such as salons, which are tipped.
9*2*18 ................. SneakyPete.
If you call yourself a College, you need to be ACCREDITED. “Degrees” from non-accredited sources have another name: FRAUDULENT! Literally not worth the paper they are printed on.
When I went to college, I understood what I had to do in order to make myself marketable. In the end I did not achieve what I thought I could do and that was my own fault. The same goes for all future students; if you want to go to the right college or trade school, do your research first. Adults need to be responsible for their choices and colleges that are not accredited already suffer from a lack of student enrollment. It is the college’s ability and desire to be accredited and non-profit/for-profit. If they choose not to, then so be it, but the Federal government should not step in and make any private company do what they “think” is better.
To vote ‘Nay’ on this bill would prove the extent of this administration to promote support for big business, (including for-profit-colleges/universities). If passed, this bill would not support the individual student, but to support the ‘business’. This has been the pattern of this administration. As our representatives, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to stand by your constituents, not big business.
DeVos is a shill for the for-profit educational businesses. She helped ruin public schools in Michigan. Don’t trust her. Pass this bill!
A college education is marketed as an investment in your future. It is one on the largest life costs in anyone’s life. Education is marketed as a tool and investment to obtain a career, which sustains your life and lifestyle in this unethical capitalist economy that we have all been forced to live in. All schools should provide a guarantee for employment, as long as you do the work and perform all of the requirements of an accredited curriculum. If a program is not accredited, there is no proof that the program provides the necessary lessons, knowledge and tools for gainful employment or ability to address life’s issues, such as when Conservatives are placing their unethical, immoral, oppressive values on others and yourself.
They absolutely should. Can you imagine our country being run by a bunch of trump university grads?
Haven’t recent scandalous examples of students being bilked out of their money, see Trump U, shown you how much these “colleges” need proper regulation and oversight. The only reason I can see that you wouldn’t support such action is that you/your campaigns are accepting funds from these places...or is it you just don’t care? I guarantee we care and you’ll see how much on November 6th!
Colleges bear some responsibility for huge student loans for degrees that can’t lead to good employment.
This is legislation from someone who has no concept of economics, of business, or of how consumer demand in the marketplace works. The market will dictate if those requirements are necessary. Colleges will get them if that is what consumers demand. Conversely, maybe there is a whole market out there that is willing to forego those assurances in order to have a cheaper education, and this regulation would make college prohibitively expensive for those individuals. It might even allow more regulated colleges not to have to compete on cost against what are currently less regulated colleges. Maybe that type of cronyism is even the point of this bill - it's to help protect high-priced, high-regulated colleges from having to face low-cost, low-regulated competition.
THE RESPONSIBILITY RESTS WITH THE STUDENT
I’m in full agreement with “Fredrick’s” comment in that Students need to take responsibility for their actions when choosing their educational goals. They are at liberty to choose whatever schools they wish to attend and they are of adult age to do so. If they do not properly research their and they make a bad educational decision as to which school to attend, why should they blame the people' they failed to research. Bad schools will have that enrollment and go away. Good schools, accredited schools, with good reputations will flourish and enrollments go up.
Students need to take responsibility for their actions when choosing their educational goals. They are at liberty to choose whatever schools they wish to attend and they are of adult age to do so. The very definition of liberty is Freedom with responsibility! If not properly researched and they make a bad educational decision why should they blame the people they failed to research. Bad schools will have that enrollment and go away. Good schools, accredited schools, with good reputations will flourish and enrollments go up.
Secretary DeVos’ proposed national database of all higher education institutions, not just for-profit and career programs, is a more comprehensive approach to helping students make educated decisions about their futures. The “gainful employment” standard may be inappropriate for certificate programs in certain professions, such as salons, which are tipped.
9*2*18 ................. SneakyPete.
Are You Kidding??? Every school and any Home Schooling MUST MEET THE CRITERIA FOR WHATEVER DEGREE A STUDENT IS STUDYING. Funny that this question comes up when Sec DeVoss is trying to take federal money from public schools and GIVE it to CHRISTIAN religious schools, NOT INCLUDING other religious schools.
Yes for profit college must be accredited. Trump University is a great example of why for profit education is a bad idea. A for profit college main focus will be to make as much as profit as possible not providing the best education as possible. The last thing people paying a for profit college need is to find out when they graduate all their time & money spent were for nothing. Because the degrees they worked so hard for are meaningless.
This is another form of consumer protection, and it is badly needed!
Students need to take responsibility for their actions when choosing their educational goals. They are at liberty to choose whatever schools they wish to attend and they are of adult age to do so. The very definition of liberty is Freedom with responsibility! If not properly researched and they make a bad educational decision why should they blame the people they failed to research. Bad schools will have enrollment & reputation drop and go away. Good schools, accredited schools, with good reputations will flourish and enrollments go up.
Absolutely. All colleges should be required to be accredited and show that they are adequately preparing students for jobs. Given the prohibitive cost of a college education, this is the least that should be required. Moving to a more reasonable tuition cost and discouraging predatory student loans would also be very helpful.
Of course they should. Like any other “for profit” entity, the price of an education ought to be demonstrated within and backed by an unquestionable guarantee of quality, growth and long-lasting gainfulness that can be seen in the lives of its graduates and the paths that stem out and lead our children into their futures.
This is another step to push Federal control on private institutions. However, I see nothing untoward in using a ”job fair” week where graduating students could inquire about employment. PhDs in early American basket weaving may have to seek employment in other venues.
I saw lots of men in thier early 20's with no HS diploma while I was a Probation officer for the state of Indiana. They often signed up to these types of college's. Those who actually succeeded couldn't find employment with their diplomas. Plus all of those people who signed up had a heap of debt and absolutely nothing to show for it.
All schools at all levels need to be transparent. Colleges, public and especially private need absolute total transparency. Senators Schumer and Gillibrand please be sure to do all you can to see that this bill is passed. Betsy DeVos is out to destroy our Public Education system, let’s show her what a loser she truly is.