senate Bill S. 2183
Should the Federal Gov’t Eliminate Duplicative Programs & Prevent the Creation of More?
Argument in favor
Duplicative federal government programs are a waste of taxpayer dollars and agencies’ efforts. Eliminating these programs will help save money and reduce unnecessary spending. At a time of ballooning federal budgets and an out-of-control national deficit, this is of the utmost importance.
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10/06/2019
Duplicative programs waste taxpayer dollars and increase the federal debt, which is already above 20 trillion dollars. Therefore, it makes sense to try and cut some costs on programs that we don’t need.
10/06/2019
I’m all for eliminating duplicative programs, but only if the legislation’s passage includes adequate funding for oversight of the process and clear definitions of what “duplicative” really means. One legislator’s “duplicative” is another’s “ nuanced assessment” of program effectiveness!🇺🇸
10/06/2019
The government needs to be pared down. We have way too many departments and regulations. Small government with free market makes the best economy. We need congress and the president to pass a budget with cuts to reduce our debt!
Argument opposed
Since the CBO already produces an annual report detailing cost-saving opportunities across the federal government, there’s no need for this bill. Legislators who want to propose cost-saving measures for federal agencies can use the existing CBO report. Additionally, some duplication may be desirable.
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10/06/2019
The operative term here is “require”. This term sets up a scenario where programs will be labeled duplicative when they are not. Given that it’s Rand Paul and Mark Meadows introducing this bill it will be the poor, vulnerable, disabled, and nonwhite residents of this nation who will be targeted and will suffer. What are the criteria to determine duplication? Who will make those decisions? The requirement that programs be cut opens the door to substantial abuse, and preferential treatment of the politically well connected.
10/06/2019
We should not allow any changes until the corrupt, criminal trump regime is out of our government.
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10/06/2019
My biggest concern is that legislation is often proposed and passed that supports some feel-good goal without considering the long tern consequences, whether or not it Is redundant, and generally not part of an overall strategy. Look at the student loan program that has the government underwrite educational loans secured by youngsters without understanding nor counseling regarding long-term commitments being made. Colleges had a huge influx of funds and used that to greatly increase tuitions, further aggravating the issue and causing student debt to skyrocket. Lenders didn't care since the principal was guaranteed and they have the opportunity to collect interest with little risk. A little fore-thought could have minimized these unintended consequences. Meaningless, redundant and misleadingly titled legislation is often promoted and passed to get cred's for politician talking points in upcoming elections or to change some agency rule for their benefactors. No one is trying to stop this bullshit, time-wasting activity. Finally, I have been an advocate for developing a non-partisan strategic vision of who we are, where do we want to be in the future and what are the broad steps needed to get there. This would help stop legislating nitty gritty details of how agencies need to operate and keep the legislation at a higher and strategic level, with nitty gritty detailed oversight by congressional committees or appointed oversight boards. New legislation should be deliberated and 'tested' against our agreed-to long term goals.
Duplicative programs waste taxpayer dollars and increase the federal debt, which is already above 20 trillion dollars. Therefore, it makes sense to try and cut some costs on programs that we don’t need.
The operative term here is “require”. This term sets up a scenario where programs will be labeled duplicative when they are not. Given that it’s Rand Paul and Mark Meadows introducing this bill it will be the poor, vulnerable, disabled, and nonwhite residents of this nation who will be targeted and will suffer. What are the criteria to determine duplication? Who will make those decisions? The requirement that programs be cut opens the door to substantial abuse, and preferential treatment of the politically well connected.
We should not allow any changes until the corrupt, criminal trump regime is out of our government.
My biggest concern is that legislation is often proposed and passed that supports some feel-good goal without considering the long tern consequences, whether or not it Is redundant, and generally not part of an overall strategy. Look at the student loan program that has the government underwrite educational loans secured by youngsters without understanding nor counseling regarding long-term commitments being made. Colleges had a huge influx of funds and used that to greatly increase tuitions, further aggravating the issue and causing student debt to skyrocket. Lenders didn't care since the principal was guaranteed and they have the opportunity to collect interest with little risk. A little fore-thought could have minimized these unintended consequences. Meaningless, redundant and misleadingly titled legislation is often promoted and passed to get cred's for politician talking points in upcoming elections or to change some agency rule for their benefactors. No one is trying to stop this bullshit, time-wasting activity. Finally, I have been an advocate for developing a non-partisan strategic vision of who we are, where do we want to be in the future and what are the broad steps needed to get there. This would help stop legislating nitty gritty details of how agencies need to operate and keep the legislation at a higher and strategic level, with nitty gritty detailed oversight by congressional committees or appointed oversight boards. New legislation should be deliberated and 'tested' against our agreed-to long term goals.
At a time when we are spending way too much on the military with no accountability while making drastic cuts to numerous domestic and environmental programs, this doesn't seem appropriate. When we are fully and equally funding all programs, then we can worry about redundancies, but as it is we are not using our resources wisely. Stop the libertarian lie that we are wasting money on domestic programs: children are hungry, schools are falling short of most other nations, roads and water pipes are decaying, and veterans are homeless and lacking healthcare. We need to look at our priorities and fund them all.
I’m all for eliminating duplicative programs, but only if the legislation’s passage includes adequate funding for oversight of the process and clear definitions of what “duplicative” really means. One legislator’s “duplicative” is another’s “ nuanced assessment” of program effectiveness!🇺🇸
No. I do not believe that the Administrative and Legislative branches of our current government have the skill or knowledge to do this.
I actually think this is a good idea but I would put the team under either the GAO or CBO. I would have a specific analytical process that looked at the specific functions of the “duplicated “ agencies and develop the processes of how the combined function would support its multiple customers.
Until we get a competent Administration that can HONESTLY and UNBIASEDLY, (in the interests of ALL its citizens), make such a decisions, I SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT!
How about the Senate start dealing with the 290 BILLS the Dems have put forth, IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, for a vote of the Senate? Some relevant to climate change, gun control, immigration and so much more. Yet, hearing it from the Repugnants, you’d believe they have been doing NOTHING! It is THEY WHO ARE DOING NOTHING - that is, nothing GOOD anyway.
McConnell must go, KENTUCKY, or you will go down in the HISTORY BOOKS as the State who ultimately, let our country go to HELL, because YOU refused to either, IMPEACH HIM IMMEDIATELY OR VOTE HIM OUT IN 2020! Is that really how you want to be remembered? I SAY UNTIL KENTUCKY WAKES UP, WE IMMEDIATELY BOYCOTT KENTUCKY AND ALL THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES. You can Google what these may be. McCONNELL SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PLAY GOD ANY LONGER. HE IS AN OBSTRUCTIONIST IN THE FIRST DEGREE. HE, ALONG WITH THE PIG, PENCE, POMPEO, BARR, THE HEAD OF THE DOJ, WHITE HOUSE LAWYERS, RUDY G., AND ANY INVOLVED, WHO DO NOT STAND UP FOR OUR COUNTRY, MUST BE REMOVED AND PUNISHED, TOO.
I thank the Republican for trying to get creative, but the next effort needed to save taxpayer dollars is eliminating all the waste that this present White House spends lining their own pockets.
Some redundancy is a good thing. Remember, 2016 could happen again; there is no shortage of stupid people, and they are easily conned by the criminal class.
Redundant system help keep the criminal class in check when they are elected.
Here is the depressing part. Everyone thinks the opposing side is the criminal class.
Ironically, this bill is itself a duplication since CBO already dose this. No.
I need only look at the bill sponsor to know there is a hidden agenda. No. If we need to save money & reduce the deficit, start with the military. We already know we spend more than the next 26 countries ...combined. Next, Rand you may want to check into taxes for the 1% which are at the lowest in the last 50 years. It’s past time that they start paying their fair share. Next, check out big corporations, like Amazon. They’re making money hand over fist, yet paid nothing in taxes for the last two years. I’m sure this will save us more than the duplicate programs that have you concerned. You’re welcome.
The system is already capable of eliminating duplicate programs; it just REQUIRES that our CONGRESS DOES its JOB! So FAR it FAILS its DUTY to CHECK overstepping by the RUNAWAY EXECUTIVE BRANCH. DON’T TELL me IT CANNOT evaluate REDUNDANCY? If this is the case; THROW them ALL OUT of OFFICE and put COMMON PEOPLE in their place!
The government needs to be pared down. We have way too many departments and regulations. Small government with free market makes the best economy. We need congress and the president to pass a budget with cuts to reduce our debt!
Anyone experienced in science, engineering or technical industry can tell you that redundancy of certain critical systems is desirable to avoid single points of failure. Government is not so different. In addition, this bill sets a target that may require the destruction of critical systems to meet, not at all intelligent. This bill is badly crafted, but also poorly conceived. While I might agree with the goal if it were stated properly, I could still not support this in its current form. Get smarter.
Most government departments are unconstitutional and unnecessary.
Whats the point if it isn’t working get rid of it and form a better one. Why throw good money away without getting rid of one? Many blame Democrats for all bad things there are people that disagree that are not Democrats and the deplorable ones are like Trump and just blame anyone else. There are Republicans also who do not agree with a pathological liar who does not think that asking another government to criticize a citizen with no proof should not be allowed and distract with other things than to address the issue. Learn to read and fact-check and don’t just believe a liar who thinks that if one repeats something it is true. Ukraine government stated that there was no corruption there by Biden or his son Trump thinks people are like him and just hate opposition as enemies . Republicans are allowing corruptible acts zby Trump and do not address issues but seem afraid to not allow his corruptible acts
Who decides if there is duplication? What does duplication mean? Republicans or a bipartisan group? Answer. No since destruction of programs has been so damaging under this administration that Republicans are now known as SPENDERS, ANTI-FAMILY, ANTI-ENVIRONMENT, ANTI-WOMEN, ANTI-RESPECT for US CITIZENS and ANTI- NEIGHBORS and FRIENDS. Who the Hell would agree with the guy who let Trump run Wild in the Presidents Office? SELF Absorbed and NARCISSISTIC ....THE FACE of the REPUBLIcANS.
Sounds like an excuse for this administration to continue to eliminate jobs
