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house Bill H. Res. 8

Adopting Democrats' House Rules for the 117th Congress: Banning Gendered Language & Blocking Minority Amendments

Argument in favor

This rules package reflects the priorities of the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives. It takes steps toward deeper inclusion by banning the use of gendered phrases, and prohibits members from sharing manipulated media meant to mislead the public. Further, it will reform the House’s procedural rules in a way that will protect vulnerable Democrats from being forced to take difficult votes on amendments offered by minority Republicans using the motion to recommit.

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01/04/2021
<< 15 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes: EDALT >>. … … … I have no problem shutting down rules that can be and have been misused by minority trumpublicans who have no regard for for norms or for extending those rules beyond their intended use as a means for suppressing the majority. I believe that there are many structural and procedural changes needed in all three branches of our government to get our country back on track to bring as ‘great’ as what it used to be and the even ‘greater’ country that we could still become. The legislature needs the greatest changes to remove the corrupting influence of big money - to keep our legislators focused on finding compromise and legislating solely for the benefit of the country instead of using their offices to raise campaign funds and other funds for political purposes, toeing the party ‘line’, managing their personal investments or peddling their political influence. … … … I consider these rules to be a minor step in the right direction; a pathway to continued dialogue leading to further changes for a more effective, focused, and less corruptible by big money influence Congress that can focus solely on the needs of the country instead of their self-serving needs to support benefactors and/or raise political and reelection campaign funding.
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larubia's Opinion
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01/04/2021
Finally! It has taken years for Democrats to figure out that the Republicans are not going to negotiate. They either get their way or make it impossible for anything to get done (then, blame it on the Democrats!) The ones who get hurt are all of us! This needed to be done. A word of caution to the Democratic leadership ...don’t become the minority!!!
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Leslie's Opinion
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01/04/2021
@Brian: Agree with your concern about blocking amendments from the minority party which is eerily similar to what McConnell does in the Senate and I don’t like that either. It would be better to author bipartisan legislation that doesn’t need amending like the Problem Solvers Caucus does. Partisanship legislation (authored by one party with their lobbyists without negotiations, with thousands of pages, and only one copy delivered 24 hours before a vote) needs to stop if we are going to get legislation passed to improve things in the US. It’s a my way or the Highway style of negotiating (or not), operating & governing. @MarilynF: Agree that there should be other ways to handle amendments for the reasons you so clearly identified. Instead of restricting the minority party the restriction should be against unrelated amendments to create more focused legislation and block anyone’s pet projects from being added on.
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Argument opposed

The Democrats’ rules package would effectively gut the motion to recommit, a procedural tool that has been part of the House since its inception and has allowed the minority to force a vote on a final amendment for more than 100 years, in a deeply cynical effort to stifle debate over opposing ideas. Given that Democrats may find themselves in the minority in the future, eliminating the motion to recommit is shortsighted. Further, banning the use of gendered phrases like “father” or “daughter” is a pointless effort at political pandering.

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01/04/2021
I heard recently a member of the House finish a prayer by saying “awoman” after “Amen”. That isn’t even a word, but that’s what the gender jabberwocky brings to all of us: imbecilic neologisms. Vote against this crap, please.
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Thomas's Opinion
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01/04/2021
Amen and A-Women? Amen translates to “So Be It”. The word has nothing to do with Gender Identity. The rules in regards to Gender Identity makes me sick to my stomach. Rev. Cleaver owes this House of Representatives and the people it represents an apology for that despicable prayer. I do not agree on the rules with regards to the use of non-gender pronouns. Our Founding FATHERS must be turning in their graves. I fear for what is ahead for this country. God help us. God help this Nation.
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01/04/2021
I am a Woman, wife, Mother, daughter, sister, aunt, grandmother, granddaughter, aunt, niece, mother-in-law, daughter-in-law, sister-in-law, stepmom, woman, mighty woman of God – and you will never ever take that from me!
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    << 15 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes: EDALT >>. … … … I have no problem shutting down rules that can be and have been misused by minority trumpublicans who have no regard for for norms or for extending those rules beyond their intended use as a means for suppressing the majority. I believe that there are many structural and procedural changes needed in all three branches of our government to get our country back on track to bring as ‘great’ as what it used to be and the even ‘greater’ country that we could still become. The legislature needs the greatest changes to remove the corrupting influence of big money - to keep our legislators focused on finding compromise and legislating solely for the benefit of the country instead of using their offices to raise campaign funds and other funds for political purposes, toeing the party ‘line’, managing their personal investments or peddling their political influence. … … … I consider these rules to be a minor step in the right direction; a pathway to continued dialogue leading to further changes for a more effective, focused, and less corruptible by big money influence Congress that can focus solely on the needs of the country instead of their self-serving needs to support benefactors and/or raise political and reelection campaign funding.
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    I heard recently a member of the House finish a prayer by saying “awoman” after “Amen”. That isn’t even a word, but that’s what the gender jabberwocky brings to all of us: imbecilic neologisms. Vote against this crap, please.
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    Finally! It has taken years for Democrats to figure out that the Republicans are not going to negotiate. They either get their way or make it impossible for anything to get done (then, blame it on the Democrats!) The ones who get hurt are all of us! This needed to be done. A word of caution to the Democratic leadership ...don’t become the minority!!!
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    Amen and A-Women? Amen translates to “So Be It”. The word has nothing to do with Gender Identity. The rules in regards to Gender Identity makes me sick to my stomach. Rev. Cleaver owes this House of Representatives and the people it represents an apology for that despicable prayer. I do not agree on the rules with regards to the use of non-gender pronouns. Our Founding FATHERS must be turning in their graves. I fear for what is ahead for this country. God help us. God help this Nation.
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    I am a Woman, wife, Mother, daughter, sister, aunt, grandmother, granddaughter, aunt, niece, mother-in-law, daughter-in-law, sister-in-law, stepmom, woman, mighty woman of God – and you will never ever take that from me!
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    @Brian: Agree with your concern about blocking amendments from the minority party which is eerily similar to what McConnell does in the Senate and I don’t like that either. It would be better to author bipartisan legislation that doesn’t need amending like the Problem Solvers Caucus does. Partisanship legislation (authored by one party with their lobbyists without negotiations, with thousands of pages, and only one copy delivered 24 hours before a vote) needs to stop if we are going to get legislation passed to improve things in the US. It’s a my way or the Highway style of negotiating (or not), operating & governing. @MarilynF: Agree that there should be other ways to handle amendments for the reasons you so clearly identified. Instead of restricting the minority party the restriction should be against unrelated amendments to create more focused legislation and block anyone’s pet projects from being added on.
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    This is ridiculous. We are not a gender neutral country. The two pro dominant are male and female and that us not ever going to change. While there may be other variations along the way . This change is not necessary and it is ridiculous and costly
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    Nancy's House Rules = Marxist Doctrine Create Chaos & then Control the Chaos with Spuriously Invented Incoherent Pseudo-Legal Gaslighted Distractions to ensure that nothing with Constitutional Common Sense gets done in Congress. Obstruction of Due Process at every turn.
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    I like most of these rules, but I do wonder if banning the minority from making amendments will cause more division. I don't want the minority party to be able to block legislation, but I also don't want to steamroll them with every opportunity. That said, maybe the whole point of the Senate is to deliberate and the House should just worry about the other party in power over there.
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    You people are seriously insane
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    The proposed rules on language changes are asinine and can lead to ambiguity. Science has shown me (through dna) that there are differences between people with XX and XY chromosomes. There is nothing wrong with accepting, understanding and having language that identifies these differences.
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    Nooooooooooooooooooooo...absolutely ridiculous..People need help
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    So this is the first act of the House? If this is indictive of what's to come, we are in trouble. To begin with, blocking amendments from the minority party is not supportive of discussion and negotiation. Democrats: Be aware - This will come back and bite you on the ass. As far as gendered phases, stop it already. What happened to using science as your guide. I guess it only matters when it suits your agenda. Useless.
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    This shouldn’t pass, I now know that I will be voting Republican from now on
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    Senators Rubio and Scott, I expect to see you stand for TRUTH in this election. You must object to the electors being counted from all the states with extensive voter fraud!!! This is all garbage - crumbs for stimulus, lock down the country and hate thrown at the American people at every turn. Political correctness my eye!
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    I have a novel idea, how about instead of lumping multiple, completely unrelated, votes into a single piece of legislation you submit each change separately! Why are we voting on gendered text and minority blocking at the same time. You people want changes made but by combining things like this you force people to vote for/against something else. Want non gendered wording? Fine vote on that. Want minority blocking? Fine vote on that. When you force someone to vote on something they don't agree with in order to get something they do agree with you are more likely to get a nay than a Yay.
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    Both these rules are shameful. The entire Gender narrative is Rediculous and the "Science" does not support the Lunatic Left/Dem an for the USA. And not using He, She pronouns is just plain Stupidity.
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    Just a quick comment on the utter ignorance of the “pastor” who used the word awomen along with amen. Amen is a Latin word that means “so be it.” It is not gendered. Maybe he needs to go back to seminary.
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    The Rules Committee of each Congress has the right and responsibility of confirming and adjusting the House Rules at the start of each new Congress. The Rules, as approved by that Congress, apply for the duration of that Congress. Custom and precedent has almost always prevailed, at least in times free of major national conflicts, and most Rules Committees have simply recommitted the Congress to the previously established Rules of the prior Congress. However, there is no Constitutional requirement that they do so. It has always been an accepted practice. Under the current circumstances, however, the dangerous precedent that the administration of Donald Trump has set in motion calls for a clear, strong and deterrent action on the part of all branches of government to confront and shine a light on the perpetrators and the actions they have undertaken to dismantle and undermine the institutions of our democratic republic. We can not contribute to sweeping anything under the carpet if we hope to regain any measure of control over the forces set in motion by those I prefer to call traitors and seditionists! That does not mean, however, that those who have managed to save our institutions from complete destruction should take revenge. And I believe the Democrats and those Republicans who have sided with them understand their obligations in the face of this travesty. If we fail to uncover and reveal all to the American people, and to punish both the perpetrators and the Party they dragged into this treason, future generations of Americans will not have a strong history to rest their actions against future attempts of a similar nature, which will most certainly arise. They will arise anyway because the existence of fascist elements within our society is permitted by our Constitution. However, their control of our government cannot be permitted if we wish to maintain a democracy. I am, therefore, committed fully to the decisión of the 117th Congress changing the Rules as needed to ensure that accountability prevails with regard to the Republicans and the GOP. Holding them accountable is an absolute must. I trust the Democratic leaders of both branches to do so carefully and wisely. The Rules now adopted can, and likely will, change with the next Congress. In the meantime, such changes strengthen the hand of Congress to reassert its proper role in the triple-branch balance of power.
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    I’m sick and tired of all the crap being done in Congress and no value. Seems to be a lot of self serving going on. I vote in person every time. I show ID all I can do. I’m tired of other countries being given handouts. Our country is changing and not for the best.
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