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house Bill H.R. 559

Making it Easier for Federal Agencies to Fire Employees for Poor Performance or Misconduct

Argument in favor

The leaders of federal agencies should have a mechanism to remove an employee for poor performance or misconduct while still giving the fired worker a chance to appeal the decision. Giving agency heads the choice of the new procedure or the existing, more lengthy process is wise.

Jennifer 's Opinion
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02/06/2018
The current practice of getting rid of civil servants for poor performance or misconduct takes too long. Some people have sat at home, being paid with our tax dollars for up to 2 yrs. Countless others have lost their security clearances, in effect, they can’t do their jobs while going through an overly-long process to fire them. And, “No,” contrary to what Dems and Libs on this page are trying to have one believe, you cannot be purged from the system for your political beliefs—although that is what was tried by the upper echelons of the FBI and IRS with conservatives and to our President. Do you Libs ever read the actual legislation? It would appear not. I say show the employees through the process, how to improve, and the expectations for improvement, and if they cannot fulfill their duties, cut the incompetent loose under this expedited process/legislation. In the real world, that is what would happen to any one of us.
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David's Opinion
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02/11/2018
It’s time that a government job isn’t a tenured position that takes an act of Congress to get someone out of that only cares about picking up their paycheck.
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Jim's Opinion
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02/11/2018
Absolutely. Poor performance should be a pathway to termination.
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Argument opposed

This bill is an attempt to undermine the due process rights of civil servants in the federal government who are being removed because of poor performance or misconduct. The existing process gives employees an adequate amount of time to respond to the removal decision.

Terry's Opinion
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02/11/2018
This is a union busting bill. Congress and Management should look within their own ranks for these “bad and poor preforming” employees. At the VA they have been hiring more and more executive and middle management versus those that actually provide the day to day care of Americans Veterans. Frontline staff are exhausted from working with staffing shortages and constantly being under attack by Congress and the American public. Are there bad federal employees? Yes. Bad employees are everywhere in every business. But the process for removing these bad employees are already there if management were using them correctly!! Plus if you’re in middle management and you screw up or are a poor employee they promote you! Maybe we should flip the pyramid and put frontline staff in charge and make management frontline staff for a change! And for all those people who think federal employees have it sooo easy, our pay is the same as yours, our rules of employment are stricter than yours and if you lose your job for unfair treatment you can sue that employee and probably win. Have you ever tried to sue the federal government for unfair treatment? NO you haven’t as they make the laws that make this an impossibility!!! This is not federal employees vs private sector employees it is David vs Goliath when a low level federal employee must fight for their job when they have done nothing wrong against the federal government.
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Donna's Opinion
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02/11/2018
This is another example of the members of Congress, elected to SERVE THE PEOPLE, serving the nefarious and corrupt desires of DJT. Is it a coincidence that this is exactly what DJT requested during his SOTU address last month? You people couldn't be more obvious if DJT handed you the text in a tweet. If this bill passes, it will be used as authorization for his cabinet minions to start a purge of civil servants performing their jobs with the only infraction being the lack of utter loyalty they profess for this corrupt administration. This is dangerous and the mere introduction by the House of DJT (previously known as the people's house of representatives) proves to him he can get his way in anything. We have three co-equal branches of government charged with protecting our Constitution by checking power grabs by any other branch. Congress needs to do their part, and now, or this 115th Congress will be completely responsible for the death of the American democratic experience. I hope that is not what you would like to be remembered for in the future. Stop this nonsense now. November may be too late for the American people to stop it for you.
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Dara's Opinion
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02/11/2018
This bill is unnecessary. We already have a process in place to remove and terminate an employee. Leave the process alone. This is more swamp.
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    The current practice of getting rid of civil servants for poor performance or misconduct takes too long. Some people have sat at home, being paid with our tax dollars for up to 2 yrs. Countless others have lost their security clearances, in effect, they can’t do their jobs while going through an overly-long process to fire them. And, “No,” contrary to what Dems and Libs on this page are trying to have one believe, you cannot be purged from the system for your political beliefs—although that is what was tried by the upper echelons of the FBI and IRS with conservatives and to our President. Do you Libs ever read the actual legislation? It would appear not. I say show the employees through the process, how to improve, and the expectations for improvement, and if they cannot fulfill their duties, cut the incompetent loose under this expedited process/legislation. In the real world, that is what would happen to any one of us.
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    This is a union busting bill. Congress and Management should look within their own ranks for these “bad and poor preforming” employees. At the VA they have been hiring more and more executive and middle management versus those that actually provide the day to day care of Americans Veterans. Frontline staff are exhausted from working with staffing shortages and constantly being under attack by Congress and the American public. Are there bad federal employees? Yes. Bad employees are everywhere in every business. But the process for removing these bad employees are already there if management were using them correctly!! Plus if you’re in middle management and you screw up or are a poor employee they promote you! Maybe we should flip the pyramid and put frontline staff in charge and make management frontline staff for a change! And for all those people who think federal employees have it sooo easy, our pay is the same as yours, our rules of employment are stricter than yours and if you lose your job for unfair treatment you can sue that employee and probably win. Have you ever tried to sue the federal government for unfair treatment? NO you haven’t as they make the laws that make this an impossibility!!! This is not federal employees vs private sector employees it is David vs Goliath when a low level federal employee must fight for their job when they have done nothing wrong against the federal government.
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    This is another example of the members of Congress, elected to SERVE THE PEOPLE, serving the nefarious and corrupt desires of DJT. Is it a coincidence that this is exactly what DJT requested during his SOTU address last month? You people couldn't be more obvious if DJT handed you the text in a tweet. If this bill passes, it will be used as authorization for his cabinet minions to start a purge of civil servants performing their jobs with the only infraction being the lack of utter loyalty they profess for this corrupt administration. This is dangerous and the mere introduction by the House of DJT (previously known as the people's house of representatives) proves to him he can get his way in anything. We have three co-equal branches of government charged with protecting our Constitution by checking power grabs by any other branch. Congress needs to do their part, and now, or this 115th Congress will be completely responsible for the death of the American democratic experience. I hope that is not what you would like to be remembered for in the future. Stop this nonsense now. November may be too late for the American people to stop it for you.
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    This bill is unnecessary. We already have a process in place to remove and terminate an employee. Leave the process alone. This is more swamp.
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    It’s time that a government job isn’t a tenured position that takes an act of Congress to get someone out of that only cares about picking up their paycheck.
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    Absolutely. Poor performance should be a pathway to termination.
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    I retired from federal service and I know it’s extremely difficult to remove an employee for poor performance. I also know that management can be very political and important decisions are often made by people with an agenda and little oversight. So, I think it would be a mistake to give these people more power to arbitrarily fire someone. We need experience and consistency in the federal government; treating a federal employee like a private company employee is not the answer to getting a better federal employee. Lastly, I have seen employees fired quickly and chaperoned off the base by the MPs. So, it can be done for extreme infractions.
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    It’s simple. If you don’t do your job, then you get fired. Just like working for any company
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    If one reads this bill it would allow an individual to be removed without recourse or cause. This is what the bill says “when an MSPB judge can’t issue a decision within 30 days, the removal would be considered final.” I’m sorry but that translates to being able to be fired for any reason especially if the judge is your political partner in crime. We have separated our branches of gov’t for a reason but the latest court manipulation efforts undermine the courts independence. Without that we must have specific guidelines in place to prevent the over reach of power.
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    Yes yes yes and definitely yes
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    If this weren't politically motivated, I'd be in favor but I feel the real motivation is removal of folks not in lockstep with DJT
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    This is ridiculous. As a federal employee with many years of service, I do not support this at all. You can get a supervisor who doesn’t like you for some reason and wants to get you fired. Not good at all!
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    If the USA corporate standard is “at will” employment, meaning you can get fired immediately without a reason and get no severance, why should it be any different for public employment?
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    This is an attempt by the GOP to take due process away from Federal employees. This is a slippery slope that would allow for the rapid and unregulated removal of Federal employees, and given this bill is coming from a party desperate to end an investigation by any means necessary, that has also made readily apparent that it has no ethical or moral qualms with nepotism, Nazis, sexual assault, treason, obstruction of justice, or hypocrisy (increasing deficit), I think this bill would be a dangerous step in the wrong direction. In fact president Trump lamented at the lack of due process yesterday.
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    As a federal manager for decades I can attest that is possible to terminate employees for poor performance and for unacceptable conduct. It's neither quick nor easy but the merit system protections are there for very good reasons and should be followed. Moreover this administration has adopted the stance that anyone who doesn't see things the way it does is incompetent or the enemy so absolutely no I do not support making changes to existing regulations for purpose of quick and easy terminations of federal workers.
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    This is an attempt to undermine the rights of civil servants for due process on the federal government employees. If federal employees are removed due to what is considered poor performance or misconduct they need a method that gives them the opportunity to demonstrate their innocence and s week is not enough The existing process gives employees an adequate amount of time to respond to the removal decision. Changing this time frame is nonsense.
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    In my job if I perform poorly, my boss can fire me. No appalling to a special board (maybe HR - who’s going to win that conversation). This is reasonable because a job is: someone convincing someone else that they are worth the money they are being paid. If this law passes, maybe we can get rid of the people sitting at their desk watching porn or picking up their dry cleaning all while on the government time clock.
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    What’s sad is the people at the top of these agencies are the ones breaking all the rules. There’s corruption at the top but managers target outspoken employees!
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    No it shouldn’t as it’s already easy enough to fire federal employees. All it takes is that managers document their concerns and do their job. This is just a ploy to arbitrarily fire employees without due process which no employees should be subjected too.
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    As a federal employee, there is nothing more disheartening and detrimental to the workplace than having to work twice as hard to compensate for a coworker who does literally nothing all day long. The system to remove terrible employees is so cumbersome and intimidating that managers and leaders don’t even bother with it. They are too busy putting out fires elsewhere. PLEASE address the system- it will trim the fat and make government more effective.
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