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house Bill H.R. 5170

Should State and Local Governments Show Their Social Programs Get Results Before Getting Grants?

Argument in favor

State and local governments are best equipped to deal with problems like youth unemployment and low graduation rates in their communities, and what federal funds they get should only go to programs that get results.

Francis's Opinion
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06/20/2016
We don't need Federal decisions at state and local level for education.
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Jason 's Opinion
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06/21/2016
In order to make money for social programs more efficient, and to keep government spending at a minimum there should be proof that the program will work as intended. There should also be a high level of accountability if abuse of government funding is found.
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06/21/2016
Consumers must prove themselves creditworthy to qualify for loans, and students must show a pattern of good grades to earn scholarships. Government at any level should hold itself to the same standards to which its citizens are subject.
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Argument opposed

Congress needs to provide more funding for projects like these from the outset rather than asking state and local governments to carry the load initially with private sector help and only rewarding them if they meet their goals.

Hagerstown's Opinion
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06/21/2016
local governments should first be given the means to achieve these goals and then if not achieved their funding be decreased
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Rebecca's Opinion
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06/21/2016
This seems like a way to strip communities of vital funding under the pretense of evidence-based practices. Many programs provide services and resources that are not easily quantified, and the governmental infrastructure and red tape needed to make these assessments happen would only reduce efficiency, not increase it. Finally, whoever decides what assessment indicators are valid holds the keys to program continuation, potentially setting in place an undemocratic system.
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Kay's Opinion
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06/22/2016
It would be unrealistic to expect a brand-new company to show a profit before they can start selling their product, so why would any other economic venture be different? If we treated companies like this, they'd go bankrupt before they even began. Companies have investors and other people who put a bit of trust in the company managers to do their job correctly. If a social program goes X number of months or years showing no results, funding can and should be pulled or the program should go under review.
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bill Progress


  • Not enacted
    The President has not signed this bill
  • The senate has not voted
      senate Committees
      Committee on Finance
  • The house Passed June 21st, 2016
    Passed by Voice Vote
      house Committees
      Worker and Family Support
      Committee on Ways and Means
    IntroducedMay 6th, 2016

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Bill Activity

  • action
    Introduced in House
  • referral
    Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.
  • referral
    Referred to the Subcommittee on Human Resources.
  • action
    Committee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held.
  • calendar
    Ordered to be Reported (Amended) by Voice Vote.
  • action
    Reported (Amended) by the Committee on Ways and Means. H. Rept. 114-616.
  • calendar
    Placed on the Union Calendar, Calendar No. 479.
  • action
    Mr. Young (IN) moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended.
  • action
    Considered under suspension of the rules.
  • action
    DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 5170.
  • vote
    On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.
  • action
    Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
  • referral
    Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

bill Progress


  • Not enacted
    The President has not signed this bill
  • The senate has not voted
      senate Committees
      Committee on Finance
  • The house Passed June 21st, 2016
    Passed by Voice Vote
      house Committees
      Worker and Family Support
      Committee on Ways and Means
    IntroducedMay 6th, 2016

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    We don't need Federal decisions at state and local level for education.
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    local governments should first be given the means to achieve these goals and then if not achieved their funding be decreased
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    This seems like a way to strip communities of vital funding under the pretense of evidence-based practices. Many programs provide services and resources that are not easily quantified, and the governmental infrastructure and red tape needed to make these assessments happen would only reduce efficiency, not increase it. Finally, whoever decides what assessment indicators are valid holds the keys to program continuation, potentially setting in place an undemocratic system.
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    It would be unrealistic to expect a brand-new company to show a profit before they can start selling their product, so why would any other economic venture be different? If we treated companies like this, they'd go bankrupt before they even began. Companies have investors and other people who put a bit of trust in the company managers to do their job correctly. If a social program goes X number of months or years showing no results, funding can and should be pulled or the program should go under review.
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    In every program devised to help a segment of our society that needs help, there are those who truly can't live without it and those who work the system fraudulently. Without the means to root out the latter, we tend to make blanket judgements. State budgets for social programs here in Texas are stretched to the max, so cutting any program will only hurt those who truly need it. My solution is to fund more means to stop the fraud so that those who need help can get it.
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    This is a local issue. Every state should be able to test and do what they feel is right, which in turn allows the free market to praise those systems that improve and punishes those who do not.
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    Grants are for exceptional students, not social experiments. States give grants for parks, highway projects. How does a Mental Hospital for Vets sound?
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    I don't mind paying taxes for infrastructure and helping my neighbors but it's important to spend wisely as well.
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    In order to make money for social programs more efficient, and to keep government spending at a minimum there should be proof that the program will work as intended. There should also be a high level of accountability if abuse of government funding is found.
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    Consumers must prove themselves creditworthy to qualify for loans, and students must show a pattern of good grades to earn scholarships. Government at any level should hold itself to the same standards to which its citizens are subject.
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    Start small and work your way up. I know work has become a dirty word in this society but it is time to put it back on the list of virtues.
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    It makes more sense to provide funding for something that will positively and successfully impact the community.
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    Feel the Bern ! Perhaps the graduation rates would increase if these Knotheads were taught about the many blessings bestowed upon this nation in lieu of being indoctrinated by radicals like Bill Ayers and Fake-a-hontis Warren to hate this country.
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    Sure way to lift people create job help the environment, what's so hard for all of us doing the right thing.
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    Because programs often need the funding to get off the ground in the first place.
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    This is competition and it's how the best organizations and solutions will rise to the top and the useless ones die out quickly.
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    Programs are all about results, continuing to fund programs that do not achieve is a waste of money. But I think a big part of any program should be a nice substantial salary for the folks carrying out the program but hold them accountable for results.
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    Absolutely
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    They ought to show intended outcomes and how they'll assess program effectiveness, but this is akin to asking a fetus to prove it's going to become a grown adult prior to it being born and, you know, growing up. Holding a grant recipient accountable is a must but if a program needs grant money to get itself started, it needs it. It doesn't sound realistic to necessarily show results before a program has started. Again, you need to show intentions and a plan of action, and follow up afterwards.
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    Organizations need to earn the trust of the public before we allow them use of our money.
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