house Bill H.R. 4803
Should Children Born Abroad to U.S. Military & Civil Service Personnel or Adopted Receive U.S. Citizenship?
Argument in favor
The Trump administration’s August 2019 decision to end automatic citizenship for children of military and civil service members serving overseas is a poor way to repay these people and their families for the sacrifices they make to serve the U.S. overseas. Reversing this policy to ensure that all children of U.S. military and civil service members overseas automatically receive U.S. citizenship is a small, but important, way to show gratitude for their service.
11/13/2019
Their parents are citizens. That’s how it works. Why is this even a question? Xenophobia is not a valid answer.
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11/13/2019
What makes them not American? The fact that their parents happened to be on deployment when they were born? That sounds absurd and cruel!
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If a family is willing to provide such service to our Nation, the least our Nation can do to appreciate that service is to assure them that any birth that takes place overseas will allow their baby to be a U S citizen!!
Argument opposed
Only 20-25 children a year are affected by the Trump administration’s August 2019 policy change, so this issue isn’t particularly important based on the number of people affected. More importantly, the administration’s policy update didn’t end citizenship for any children of military or civil service members serving overseas — it merely required that some children apply for U.S. citizenship because they’re ineligible for birthright citizenship.
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11/13/2019
It’s called the 14th amendment. Children born of US citizens overseas are guaranteed citizenship in the Constitution. You can’t legislate a right that already exists, even though Congress seems to want to legislate around the Constitution all the time.
Children adopted overseas can become citizens through an existing legal process. On the surface, there seems to be no legitimate purpose to this bill, so what is really going on?
Reading between the lines, we see that this bill was introduced by Nadler who never met a constitutional or legislative safeguard he didn’t want to destroy. So to understand this bill, we have to think like a radical leftist.
This bill is a thinly veiled attempt to bypass the legal immigration system in order to bring children here from other cultures. It is another avenue to serve the Left’s obsession with radically altering American culture.
The Democrats know that when Congress finally gets around to legislating DACA, children already living here that were brought here illegally will likely get to stay, but there are going to be strict limitations on bringing children here illegally in the future. This bill would be an ideal way to sidestep those limitations, a permanent highway into the US.
In effect, this bill would become a legalized way to traffic children into the United States. Parents would pay to have their children “adopted“ just like they pay cartels now to traffic their children into the US illegally with false parents. What is particularly insidious is that there would be no drawn out process for the child to become a US citizen - it would happen automatically.
What would stop someone from adopting a young adult, who happened to be a gang member or criminal, for instance? What would be the vetting process? It’s likely the process will be weak or non existent.
Every time the Left feigns “compassion” and wraps themselves in “Apple Pie and Motherhood”, someone is going to pay the price to serve their true radical, ideological lust. All Americans pay a price for the misguided worldview of the Left, but as always, children would be the biggest losers under this bill just like they are now with the Left’s refusal to properly address our legal immigration policy.
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11/13/2019
No automatic anything. Decide on a case by case basis. I personally knew servicemen that had hearts broke by foreign women that married them for the automatic citizenship marring an active duty servicemen historically provides. We must not give c citizenship out like candy.
11/13/2019
If you are an American Citizen serving as a government civilian or a member of the military and you spouse has your baby then that child has US Citizenship.
If you marry Mrs. Volowinski a Polish National and she has 3 children from a previous marriage or out of wedlock then those kids are not America Citizens.
If your parents go across the Mexico Border and she delivers a baby in Mexico that child is an American citizen.
Senator Cruz is an example of that as he was born in Canada
Their parents are citizens. That’s how it works. Why is this even a question? Xenophobia is not a valid answer.
It’s called the 14th amendment. Children born of US citizens overseas are guaranteed citizenship in the Constitution. You can’t legislate a right that already exists, even though Congress seems to want to legislate around the Constitution all the time.
Children adopted overseas can become citizens through an existing legal process. On the surface, there seems to be no legitimate purpose to this bill, so what is really going on?
Reading between the lines, we see that this bill was introduced by Nadler who never met a constitutional or legislative safeguard he didn’t want to destroy. So to understand this bill, we have to think like a radical leftist.
This bill is a thinly veiled attempt to bypass the legal immigration system in order to bring children here from other cultures. It is another avenue to serve the Left’s obsession with radically altering American culture.
The Democrats know that when Congress finally gets around to legislating DACA, children already living here that were brought here illegally will likely get to stay, but there are going to be strict limitations on bringing children here illegally in the future. This bill would be an ideal way to sidestep those limitations, a permanent highway into the US.
In effect, this bill would become a legalized way to traffic children into the United States. Parents would pay to have their children “adopted“ just like they pay cartels now to traffic their children into the US illegally with false parents. What is particularly insidious is that there would be no drawn out process for the child to become a US citizen - it would happen automatically.
What would stop someone from adopting a young adult, who happened to be a gang member or criminal, for instance? What would be the vetting process? It’s likely the process will be weak or non existent.
Every time the Left feigns “compassion” and wraps themselves in “Apple Pie and Motherhood”, someone is going to pay the price to serve their true radical, ideological lust. All Americans pay a price for the misguided worldview of the Left, but as always, children would be the biggest losers under this bill just like they are now with the Left’s refusal to properly address our legal immigration policy.
What makes them not American? The fact that their parents happened to be on deployment when they were born? That sounds absurd and cruel!
If a family is willing to provide such service to our Nation, the least our Nation can do to appreciate that service is to assure them that any birth that takes place overseas will allow their baby to be a U S citizen!!
Children born abroad or adopted whose parents are serving in the military should have citizenship for the sake of stability of the families when military personnel return to civilian life in America.
Of course they should be citizen’s. Not supporting the families of our military would be the height of hypocrisy from our government, given the orange one’s family. There is absolutely no reason to slap our military down for having relationships which develop by virtue of their service outside our borders.
You mean like my 32 year old son born during our USAF assignment in Ankara Turkey? Should he be an American citizen? The same kid I ended up raising alone and sent to West a point? Afghanistan 2x, Iraq, Korea? Still active duty army intelligence officer at Fort Mead? That kid, born to American parent in Turkey? What the living HELL DO YOU THINK? Jesus, only under our current Nazi regime would this even be a fucking question. Remove this obscenity from office while we have even scraps of our country to rebuild.
This seems so obvious. Perhaps I’m missing something. Of course they should be citizens.
I was born in a US territory as was my mother, both of our fathers were in the military. We were both born as US citizens. There is NO reason to deny children born to or adopted by us citizens while deployed overseas or in US territories. DO NOT give in to Trumps insane ideas.
Automatic citizenship for children born to American parent(s).
No automatic anything. Decide on a case by case basis. I personally knew servicemen that had hearts broke by foreign women that married them for the automatic citizenship marring an active duty servicemen historically provides. We must not give c citizenship out like candy.
Children born to American citizens are Americans citizens no matter where they are born. Why is this being questioned now?
Yes they are citizens of this country when their parents are overseas defending this country to say they were not citizens would be a grave mistake
Yes--those who have serviced our country in the military deserve full citizenship and so do their children.
When US military personnel parent children anywhere those children should have US citizenship period.
So many children need to be adopted all over the world. If military families can provide a loving home. They should.