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house Bill H.R. 4447

Should Congress Spend Over $125 Billion on Clean Energy & Environmental Justice Initiatives?

Argument in favor

This bill would make critical investments in clean energy technology and workforce training, as well as update and support existing federal efforts in environmental justice, clean energy grantmaking and research, and more. As the negative effects of climate change become increasingly apparent, it’s evident that Congress needs to act immediately on this issue. While this legislation isn’t transformative, it’s an important first step towards increasing U.S. capacity and leadership in clean energy and energy efficiency.

jimK's Opinion
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09/24/2020
I think that the clean energy and environmental justice bill is a step in the right direction. It does address some of the issues that will be important for dealing with the ongoing Climate Crisis. It is a start and a good way to get things started. However, much, much more is needed. The climate crisis can be helped by clean energy but is a much more complex and multidimensional problem than just clean energy. There are issues of global coordination, managing watersheds, dealing with changing precipitation patterns and their impact on watersheds and the food chain, protecting coastal areas, understanding the impact of changing ocean currents and rising sea levels and the coming global migration of human and animal populations. These issues all interact greatly and solving one issue in a large scale may have catastrophic consequences that effect other issues. For example, people talk about mass planting of trees or even hemp forests as a way to capture additional CO2 from the air. Well, most vegetation transpires 80% - 90% of the water taken from the ground into the atmosphere and mass plantings of such forests could have a catastrophic impact on available potable water for the people in the region. Getting cleaner burning natural gas cuts carbon combustion emissions from burning oil based fuels, but the extraction of methane also releases more of it into the atmosphere and methane is 25 times more effective a greenhouse gas than CO2 emissions from automotive gasoline. Dams may provide clean energy, but they also effect downstream access to potable water. There is so much dammed water in the Northern Hemisphere already that the earth’s rotation is slowing down (just like an ice skater’s spin slows down when they extend their arms). My point is that the problem is way too big, way too complex, way too important and way too time-critical to just throw money at a barrage of possible solutions. … … … This is our Man to the Moon effort of the near future and requires a coordinated effort that addresses all of the factors that can offset climate change, a comprehensive understanding the trade-offs between competing needs, development of a coordinated multi-year strategy which can anticipate risks and prepare fall back strategies, can contract for needed research and construction with their own multi-disciplinary experts to effectively and in-detail monitor contracted efforts, the ability to measure the global impact of alternative solutions and, perhaps most importantly, have addressing the Climate Crisis as a singular overriding mission. We beat the Russians to a moon landing because of NASA which had that singular mission, was empowered to accomplish the mission, was able to pool the many multidisciplinary experts needed to plan it and was left free from political meddling. The Russians lost the race largely due to their bureaucracy and inane communist party dominance which demanded that unnecessary risks be taken. I do not see properly addressing the Climate Crisis without the formation of a New NASA-like agency, a National Climate Change Administration to oversee work in other agencies, draw the best and brightest experts, coordinate with our State Department, the energy department, climatologists, ocean scientists and initially be free of the bureaucracy which will eventually creep it’s way in.
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larubia's Opinion
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09/24/2020
We need to start undoing what we have done. This is a start. Other countries are already forging ahead with clean green energy. We should have been the leader in developing & using green, renewable energy, but here we are!
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Leslie's Opinion
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09/25/2020
Clean Economy & Jobs Innovation is needed for: 1) economic recovery from Covid-19 2) repair aging infrastructure 3) rebuild from natural disasters to protect against future disasters like the Netherlands 4) protect against negative environmental & climate change https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-water-management-dutch-solution-henk-ovink-hurricane-damage-60-minutes-2019-07-21/
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Argument opposed

This legislation relies on ineffective gimmicks that have already been proven not to work and which may have negative impacts in vulnerable communities. It would also raise energy costs and discourage private sector innovation. Finally, the workforce training program that it would create would be duplicative with existing federal efforts. In summary, this legislation is poorly constructed and shouldn’t be implemented as is.

Guy's Opinion
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09/25/2020
Focused and prioritized approach is needed. Not spending outrageous amounts when we need focus on reducing our out of control spending by our politicians. Balanced budget should be the priority. Get your house in order first!
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Votedforhilary's Opinion
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09/24/2020
The government needs to stay out of the climate change debate and allow the private sector to take care of it. You're not in charge of the planet, we should be insist on China and India cleaning up their own environments.
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J's Opinion
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09/24/2020
Too much costly bureaucracy, inefficiencies and waste in this bill just in the first few paragraphs. Such requirements not only create costly red tape that negatively impacts affordable housing, but also creates the need for costly government bureaucracy that is not equipped to effectively manage such. It’s an all out lose lose scenario for the taxpayer, for industry, and in the end will not have effective positive outcomes on the environment. Government simply is not effective enough to manage anything of this scope, nor is most of this even within the purview of government. Back to the drawing board here folks!
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    I think that the clean energy and environmental justice bill is a step in the right direction. It does address some of the issues that will be important for dealing with the ongoing Climate Crisis. It is a start and a good way to get things started. However, much, much more is needed. The climate crisis can be helped by clean energy but is a much more complex and multidimensional problem than just clean energy. There are issues of global coordination, managing watersheds, dealing with changing precipitation patterns and their impact on watersheds and the food chain, protecting coastal areas, understanding the impact of changing ocean currents and rising sea levels and the coming global migration of human and animal populations. These issues all interact greatly and solving one issue in a large scale may have catastrophic consequences that effect other issues. For example, people talk about mass planting of trees or even hemp forests as a way to capture additional CO2 from the air. Well, most vegetation transpires 80% - 90% of the water taken from the ground into the atmosphere and mass plantings of such forests could have a catastrophic impact on available potable water for the people in the region. Getting cleaner burning natural gas cuts carbon combustion emissions from burning oil based fuels, but the extraction of methane also releases more of it into the atmosphere and methane is 25 times more effective a greenhouse gas than CO2 emissions from automotive gasoline. Dams may provide clean energy, but they also effect downstream access to potable water. There is so much dammed water in the Northern Hemisphere already that the earth’s rotation is slowing down (just like an ice skater’s spin slows down when they extend their arms). My point is that the problem is way too big, way too complex, way too important and way too time-critical to just throw money at a barrage of possible solutions. … … … This is our Man to the Moon effort of the near future and requires a coordinated effort that addresses all of the factors that can offset climate change, a comprehensive understanding the trade-offs between competing needs, development of a coordinated multi-year strategy which can anticipate risks and prepare fall back strategies, can contract for needed research and construction with their own multi-disciplinary experts to effectively and in-detail monitor contracted efforts, the ability to measure the global impact of alternative solutions and, perhaps most importantly, have addressing the Climate Crisis as a singular overriding mission. We beat the Russians to a moon landing because of NASA which had that singular mission, was empowered to accomplish the mission, was able to pool the many multidisciplinary experts needed to plan it and was left free from political meddling. The Russians lost the race largely due to their bureaucracy and inane communist party dominance which demanded that unnecessary risks be taken. I do not see properly addressing the Climate Crisis without the formation of a New NASA-like agency, a National Climate Change Administration to oversee work in other agencies, draw the best and brightest experts, coordinate with our State Department, the energy department, climatologists, ocean scientists and initially be free of the bureaucracy which will eventually creep it’s way in.
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    Focused and prioritized approach is needed. Not spending outrageous amounts when we need focus on reducing our out of control spending by our politicians. Balanced budget should be the priority. Get your house in order first!
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    We need to start undoing what we have done. This is a start. Other countries are already forging ahead with clean green energy. We should have been the leader in developing & using green, renewable energy, but here we are!
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    Clean Economy & Jobs Innovation is needed for: 1) economic recovery from Covid-19 2) repair aging infrastructure 3) rebuild from natural disasters to protect against future disasters like the Netherlands 4) protect against negative environmental & climate change https://www.cbsnews.com/news/storm-water-management-dutch-solution-henk-ovink-hurricane-damage-60-minutes-2019-07-21/
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    This is not a choice ... it is a must
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    Protecting our environment for future generations is paramount in the survival of not only or democracy, but humanity as a whole.
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    The government needs to stay out of the climate change debate and allow the private sector to take care of it. You're not in charge of the planet, we should be insist on China and India cleaning up their own environments.
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    Too much costly bureaucracy, inefficiencies and waste in this bill just in the first few paragraphs. Such requirements not only create costly red tape that negatively impacts affordable housing, but also creates the need for costly government bureaucracy that is not equipped to effectively manage such. It’s an all out lose lose scenario for the taxpayer, for industry, and in the end will not have effective positive outcomes on the environment. Government simply is not effective enough to manage anything of this scope, nor is most of this even within the purview of government. Back to the drawing board here folks!
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    Yep, sooner rather than later.
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    We know that green energy is actually cheaper and in higher demand than fossil fuels, so we should continue our transition to green energy as the market changes. We cannot keep subsidizing fossil fuels, which are both dirty and more expensive, at a time of changing tastes and record deficits, so this is both cost effective and responsible to the earth we should be stewarding. No matter whether you believe the cause of climate change or not, how can you not support saving money and keeping the air and water clean?
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    Clean energy is the future and better uses of fossil fuel and recycling, whether people like it or not! There are more jobs in clean energy like ethanol which helps the farmers, solar which would require a work force to help maintain electrical system, wind generation requiring mechanics and electrical maintenance personnel, geothermal and many more. We would be an energy surplus in the American continent selling energy to north, central and South America. Producing hydrogen and reusable oil and plastic products, new oil will always be required. This we be the engine of the future if we don’t get on board the ship we leave without us!
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    I'm with Mother Nature😊
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    There are multiple overlapping laws and regulations covering these issues. More are unnecessary and a waste of time and tax dollars. Please remember how this uncontrolled spending is burdening our children and grandchildren.
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    No, it’s a waste, the technology still isn’t there to waste that much money. Look at the waste already given to solar only for the companies to close and the technology is almost worthless. Stick with fossil fuel until it’s comparable or better than fossil.
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    Clean energy = The Future. We must embrace it. The US has gotten to it’s pinnacle economic position via SCIENCE: Research & Development.
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    Absolutely not!! This will put millions out of work and you can say goodbye to everyday conveniences if there is no oil and gas!! Oil is used to make the tires on your cars, makeup, plastic garbage cans and bags, household cleaners, and many other products. How do I know? Well, I’ve been to the Petroleum Museum in Midland, Texas. Make a visit and learn for yourself!!
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    As a race we have two choices. We can figure out how to live within the resource constraints of this planet, or we can die. The smart money is on the later outcome, but we should at least give it the old college try.
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    Let the private sector handle this...public demand will drive creative, realistic, and affordable solutions. Government money is actually taxpayer funded.
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    For the future this is a MUST.
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    Should they?......Yep!.......Will they with THIS 'Administration"?......Nope! ...........and frankly, we have enough on our plate currently with the Coronavirus and and DICKtator in the making currently (sometimes) in OUR White House....We need to vote him out and then address this along with SO many other problems but, no use trying to determine what kind of carpet would be best, when the house is on fire.
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