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house Bill H.R. 4314

Should the U.S. Help Foreign Governments Secure Their Borders Against Terrorists?

Argument in favor

Countries that are vulnerable to being used as transit points or havens for terrorists and foreign fighters need to shore up their border security. Providing them with surplus DHS equipment and training will improve global security by restricting terrorists’ movements.

BTSundra's Opinion
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03/10/2016
Islamic extremists are pouring in the borders of Europe, and we'd all be safer if that wasn't happening. However, we shouldn't do this until our borders are safe.
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Chance's Opinion
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05/04/2016
At the moment the United States should worry about our own borders not our allies if they ask us for help on the other hand we should give it to them to improve international security and combat terrorism because terrorism isn't good for anyone it destroys governments and kills innocent people the United States should help any nation that need help from us
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Evan's Opinion
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03/11/2016
As a member of the international community, we should seek to provide assistance, where appropriate (both in context of our available resources and the given country's interest in receiving our aid) to help all citizens of the world to feel secure and safe from the threat of terrorism.
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There is no guarantee that providing foreign governments with equipment and training will enhance the border security of the countries receiving assistance, and if the situation doesn’t improve the U.S. may have to invest more than this bill provides for.

Teddy's Opinion
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03/10/2016
This policy ultimately incentivizes nations to rely on American funding rather than their own, and we end up making the sacrifices in our fiscal decision making that each nation ought to be responsible for. What's more, they don't need our training: the FFL, GSG-9, SAS, etc. are some of the most formidable counterterrorism fighting forces in the world. The countries where this may be beneficial would be poor, uneducated, or corrupt nations, and there are more than enough historical precendents to see what happens when ambiguous military aid arrives there.
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Austin's Opinion
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03/21/2016
We cannot secure our own borders. Why would we spend money on other countries borders instead of our own?
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Ryan's Opinion
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03/10/2016
We don't even have our own borders secure! First things first! Once our borders are secured, then MAYBE we can talk about helping another country. Why would another country want help from someone who is unwilling to help themselves. That is us right now with the current administration! He won't secure the border, because he wants to grant amnesty the illegals so they can vote democratic! Ted Cruz proved that with the gang of eight bill. If the dems just wanted to give illegal ls work visas, then they would have voted for it. But Cruz called their bluff, we he inserted his amendment the would allow them to work, but not be citizens, and not be allowed to vote. He knew the dems strategy and made them own it.
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    Islamic extremists are pouring in the borders of Europe, and we'd all be safer if that wasn't happening. However, we shouldn't do this until our borders are safe.
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    This policy ultimately incentivizes nations to rely on American funding rather than their own, and we end up making the sacrifices in our fiscal decision making that each nation ought to be responsible for. What's more, they don't need our training: the FFL, GSG-9, SAS, etc. are some of the most formidable counterterrorism fighting forces in the world. The countries where this may be beneficial would be poor, uneducated, or corrupt nations, and there are more than enough historical precendents to see what happens when ambiguous military aid arrives there.
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    We cannot secure our own borders. Why would we spend money on other countries borders instead of our own?
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    At the moment the United States should worry about our own borders not our allies if they ask us for help on the other hand we should give it to them to improve international security and combat terrorism because terrorism isn't good for anyone it destroys governments and kills innocent people the United States should help any nation that need help from us
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    As a member of the international community, we should seek to provide assistance, where appropriate (both in context of our available resources and the given country's interest in receiving our aid) to help all citizens of the world to feel secure and safe from the threat of terrorism.
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    This bill provides funding to developed countries that already have the ability to defend and filtrate terrorists on their own. Enough funding already goes to these kinds of bills, we don't need another.
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    We don't even have our own borders secure! First things first! Once our borders are secured, then MAYBE we can talk about helping another country. Why would another country want help from someone who is unwilling to help themselves. That is us right now with the current administration! He won't secure the border, because he wants to grant amnesty the illegals so they can vote democratic! Ted Cruz proved that with the gang of eight bill. If the dems just wanted to give illegal ls work visas, then they would have voted for it. But Cruz called their bluff, we he inserted his amendment the would allow them to work, but not be citizens, and not be allowed to vote. He knew the dems strategy and made them own it.
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    Because with help fighting their own battles and winning them will give them a sense of victory over the bad people in their country and perhaps be persuaded to become democracies. we don't need to put boots on the ground to help.
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    With a deficit like we have? If we were going to spend millions/billions, let's spend it at home. How about the endless list of badly neglected problems we have here? Infrastructure for one, helping kids with a good education so they may one day be able to have a way of moving up in society. Would this funding be no bid contracts handed out to Halliburton, and its subsidiaries. I would hope we could careful and be thoughtful think through all the potential problems of involving our country in the affairs of other nations. We really should concentrate on things that directly effect American lives first. I am so weary of our politics becoming more global and less about our way of life at home. I think this issue should be scrapped, because it stinks of arrogance, and feels empirical
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    We shouldn't be involved in this matter.
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    Less equipment overseas = less warfare overall. Many times, the best move is no move at all.
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    Our own borders are in shambles themselves, it is time we focus on ourselves for once and reduce our spending on other nations.
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    Can't even secure our borders from murderers, rapists, and other non terrorist criminals how the hell can we help other nations secure their borders.
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    Not our job.
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    In addition to many of the reasons others have stated, we need to refocus much of the money we're spending on foreign involvement policies, defending other countries against terrorists , to strengthening our own defenses and securing our own borders.
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    The federal government should assist in securing foreign borders against terrorists to limit the militaristic strength of these terrorists. We live in a dynamic global society and we cannot afford our globe to be abolished militarily, socially, politically, and economically wise by these insane murders. We must proceed any form of strategy necessary to secure our borders from future devastating attacks that may be harmful to me and you. Governments all over the world are being manipulated every day by terrorists organizations, they manipulate nations by getting in to flourish their values as well. It's either us or them and WE HAVE TO KEEP CITIZENS SAFE, LETS END THESE TERRORISTS FROM ABOLISHING OUR EARTH AND TURNING IT INTO A DEVASTATION!
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    After what the State Department, under Sec. Hillary Clinton, did, I would think twice before authorizing this. The State Department, together with the CIA and others, gets involved in some pretty shady and destructive deals, with little-to-no oversight and accountability! Besides, how is it that a nation with a $19trillion debt afford to give away "surplus" stuff??? Have the Feds ever heard of saving for "a rainy day"? HOW ABOUT SECURING OUR BORDERS FIRST?!!!Moreover, 57 Muslim countries just met and, well, read this: Forget #ISIS: 57 Muslim countries reveal they have a much BIGGER worry ***************************************************** • Here you have the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) – by the way, why don’t they talk about cooperating in stopping the “hijacking” of their religion? Maybe they don’t address that because Islamic terrorists aren’t hijacking anything. They are indeed following the Koran and the mandates of Mohammad. • Here is the height of hypocrisy: the folks whose brethren are out there beheading, crucifying, raping, and selling young girls into slavery are talking about establishing a legal group to study human rights violations? You just gotta be kidding me! • One would think these leaders would have discussed how to take care of their own refugees. Nope. • Among the leaders gathered in Jakarta was Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. • The United States was represented at the two-day meeting in Indonesia by Arsalan Suleman, the Obama administration’s acting special envoy to the 57-member OIC. • Certainly having a representative from the Obama administration provides a level of legitimacy to this den of serpents…the same group of reptiles who want to criminalize any perceived “offensive” speech of Islam. And the United Nations, along with the Obama administration, supports UN Resolution 16/18 — in other words, Islamo-fascists and progressive socialists don’t like free speech, truth, and the rightful condemnation of who they are. ***************************************************** Written by Allen West on March 8, 2016 Remember when former U.S. State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said the problem with Islamic terrorists is that they need more job opportunities? Yeah, I still get a laugh from that one. Now, think about the massive refugee flight out of the Middle East into Europe. Or how about the plight of women in the Muslim world? My point is that there is a plethora of issues in the Muslim world. But during a recent meeting of global Muslim leaders, you simply will not believe what they identified as their central issue. As reported by CNSNews, “Islamic nations’ leaders meeting in Indonesia Monday acknowledged the chaos wracking parts of the Muslim world, but said that should not move the spotlight away from “the central issue” for the world’s Muslim community: Palestine. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/islamic-leaders-yes-our-world-crisis-palestine-must-remain-central A resolution endorsed at the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (#OIC) “extraordinary” summit on the Palestinian issue said the leaders were “aware of the tragic spread of crises” in the Islamic world, including armed conflicts and #terrorism. “Nonetheless,” it said, that situation “should not divert international attention from the cause of #Palestine and al-Quds al-Sharif [Jerusalem], which must remain the central issue of the Islamic #ummah [global community].” Millions of people – mostly Muslims – have been killed, maimed, terrorized or displaced in OIC members Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan and elsewhere in recent years. Among the leaders gathered in Jakarta was Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. The United States was represented at the two-day meeting in Indonesia by Arsalan Suleman, the Obama administration’s acting special envoy to the 57-member OIC. When he addressed the meeting on Sunday, Suleman said the violence must stop, stressing that there was “no justification for acts of terrorism now or ever.” We all have watched over the past year and a half as waves of horrific attacks against civilians have washed across Israel, Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip,” he said. “ The United States has unequivocally condemned acts of terrorism, and called on both sides to take steps to reduce tensions and end the violence.” First of all, let me explain to the Ummah something verified by history: the term “Palestine” has nothing to do with Muslims. It is the definition of a region. And the term was introduced by Roman Emperor Hadrian to punish the Jewish people for the Simon Bar Kohkba revolt — some call it the second Jewish insurrection, others the third. Once Hadrian crushed the revolt he decreed that the region would be renamed “Palaestinia.” That word was a derivative of “Philistia” referring to the ancient Phillistines, who were not descendants of Muslims, as Islam was not introduced until circa 610 AD. The ancient Philistines were descendants of Greeks. For these Muslim leaders to try and lay claim to “Palestine” is just as absurd as Italians laying claim to Jerusalem — after all, the Romans did rename the city, Aoelia Capitolina. Maybe the Iraqis could lay claim to Jerusalem, since Salahaddin was from there and he conquered the city — after all, that’s why Muslims believe they have claim. Or maybe the Greeks can just come back and take over Gaza, since it was their descendants, the Philistines, who occupied the coastal city. Bottom line, Jerusalem is the city of David, and David was a Jewish fella. Jerusalem is the capitol of the Jewish state. Heck, the greater area is called the Levant, which came from the Italian travelers who referred to the Mediterranean coastal region as the Levantine. But again, with all that’s happening in the Muslim world, “Palestine” is their central issue? You want to talk about being disconnected — or perhaps it’s all intentional, to them there are no real issues. Here you have the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) – by the way, why don’t they talk about cooperating in stopping the “hijacking” of their religion? Maybe they don’t address that because Islamic terrorists aren’t hijacking anything. They are indeed following the Koran and the mandates of Mohammad. One would think these leaders would have discussed how to take care of their own refugees. Nope. Did they think about confronting the problem of misogyny in the Muslim world, which has horribly spread to Europe? Nope. What about better educational opportunities to improve the literacy rate in the Islamic world? Nope. So what did this esteemed gathering bring forth? “The leaders gave “unequivocal support” for Palestinians’ “legal right to resist” the occupation. The documents repeatedly condemned the Israeli government, accusing it of carrying out a “brutal and criminal onslaught” on innocent Palestinians, and of encouraging Israeli citizens to be armed, “to terrorize and torment Palestinian civilians and to wreak havoc and destruction.” Israel was further accused of endangering the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem’s Old City – the third holiest site in Islam – and was blamed exclusively for the failure of more than 20 years of negotiations, due to its “lack of political will” and its “intransigence.” The leaders approved a range of measures to increase pressure on Israel, threw their weight behind a boycott of Israeli goods produced in the disputed territories, and agreed to set up an expert legal group to study options for referring “human rights violations in Palestine” to international bodies.” Here is the height of hypocrisy: the folks whose brethren are out there beheading, crucifying, raping, and selling young girls into slavery are talking about establishing a legal group to study human rights violations? You just gotta be kidding me! And Israel’s lack of political will… doggone, we’ve shared with you countless times the encouragement of “Palestinian” leaders for the recent spate of stabbings of Israeli citizens. There are no willing peace partners for Israel with whom to find a resolution since the Israeli right to exist isn’t recognized. What is most disturbing is that the Obama administration has a representative at this confab where someone wanted on charges of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide was in attendance. And you know what our fond progressive socialist trolls will do? Blame Bush. Or watch them make the commentary that George W. Bush was a war criminal, they love to evade the points being presented in the commentary. Doggone, why did the Muslim leaders of this little summit not turn over Sudan’s President Omar al-Bashir to international authorities? Everyone talks about moderate Muslims and the reformation of Islam. Well here you had the 57-member OIC meeting, and it appears that is not on the agenda. Y’all remember when then-Senator Obama, running for president, spoke of the 57 states he’d visited? Perhaps Obama is more comfortable with these 57 states, than with these United States of America? Certainly having a representative from the Obama administration provides a level of legitimacy to this den of serpents…the same group of reptiles who want to criminalize any perceived “offensive” speech of Islam. And the United Nations, along with the Obama administration, supports UN Resolution 16/18 — in other words, Islamo-fascists and progressive socialists don’t like free speech, truth, and the rightful condemnation of who they are. http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/03/57-islamic-countries-reveal-what-their-biggest-problem-is-you-wont-believe-it/
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    Yes, but I cannot overlook the irony that while we are securing the borders of other countries, we fail at securing our own.
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    Enough is enough! We have waged our "war on terror" for nearly twenty years and it's gotten us nowhere except in a pit of debt. Rome fell as a republic due to it overextending itself militarily (as well as handing out entitlements it couldn't afford) and it crashed as a democracy, and eventually as an empire for the same reason. Are we destined to repeat history in these senseless wars? Citizens of the USA, please do not destroy this republic in a mad imperialistic bid to insulate our self-righteousness and consumeristic tendencies. We will fall if we continue down this path.
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    Seems consistent with the idea of trying to fight terrorism before it gets here.
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