house Bill H.R. 4187
Should There be a Federal Domestic Terrorism Criminal Statute?
Argument in favor
Domestic terrorism should be subject to the same penalties as international terrorism, and federal prosecutors should be able to charge domestic terrorists accordingly. This bill ensures that this would be the case.
10/12/2019
Yes, and 45 and the administration should be the first to be put in that category. They have been terrorizing the US and the world since January ‘17.
10/12/2019
This bill must have clear provisions on what’s domestic terrorism , what’s to stop the Radical Leftist Democrats from labeling conservatives as DT or any group that opposes their beliefs or agendas. Just look at what’s been done in the last 4 #MAGA
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10/12/2019
Of course there should be. Home grown terrorists are the worst kind. Be careful though. Donald Trump would call anyone that disagrees with him a terrorist.
Argument opposed
This bill is mostly symbolic and overly broad. Domestic terrorism laws aren’t needed to prosecute those who commit domestic terrorism, who can be charged under numerous other laws. This bill could also be interpreted to include political speech and political acts under the definition of “terrorism.”
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10/12/2019
This bill as proposed, is way too broad and could be interpreted in ways to abuse those who protest, those who disagree, those who ‘conspire’ within lawful gatherings to legally remove corrupt politicians from office and so on. I would hate for our country to be able to justify our own ‘Tiananmen Square’ control of protestors. While domestic terrorism is an issue, I am not sure that I would classify all mass indiscriminate killing of innocents as ‘terrorist’ acts. I see most of the recent domestic mass shooting incidents as solitary acts committed by deluded individuals who unfortunately have uncontrolled access to the kind of weapons that enable them. Organized domestic terrorist groups are a different matter entirely. Specific legislation that goes after such groups is warranted and I believe has been discussed if not enacted.
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10/12/2019
I would personally support it, but it can easily be misused and abused by the Trump Regime to attack the President’s political opponents. We’ve already seen that Trump is willing to ask a foreign country for help in defacing his challengers, so I wouldn’t put it below him to mark them as domestic terrorists just because they don’t share his views.
Yes, and 45 and the administration should be the first to be put in that category. They have been terrorizing the US and the world since January ‘17.
This bill as proposed, is way too broad and could be interpreted in ways to abuse those who protest, those who disagree, those who ‘conspire’ within lawful gatherings to legally remove corrupt politicians from office and so on. I would hate for our country to be able to justify our own ‘Tiananmen Square’ control of protestors. While domestic terrorism is an issue, I am not sure that I would classify all mass indiscriminate killing of innocents as ‘terrorist’ acts. I see most of the recent domestic mass shooting incidents as solitary acts committed by deluded individuals who unfortunately have uncontrolled access to the kind of weapons that enable them. Organized domestic terrorist groups are a different matter entirely. Specific legislation that goes after such groups is warranted and I believe has been discussed if not enacted.
If I thought this would be applied to white supremacy and domestic gun violence I could support it.
However- this Orwellian administration makes me think this would be a statute abused by the corrupt criminal trump regime. 🤷♀️
Orwellian propaganda and lies are spewing forth with reckless abandon and this is a dangerous situation fomented by dangerous delusional demagogue Dotard trump.
I would personally support it, but it can easily be misused and abused by the Trump Regime to attack the President’s political opponents. We’ve already seen that Trump is willing to ask a foreign country for help in defacing his challengers, so I wouldn’t put it below him to mark them as domestic terrorists just because they don’t share his views.
All this is is to charge anyone who goes against trump and the trumpets. Domestic terrorism is treason against the United States period! They do not give a rat's ass about We The People. They only care about protecting themselves and their pockets. This is to keep We The People afraid to speak out against them. Just like Russia!!! There's already law against treason. Enough is enough!
Why duplicate when existing is already in the books. Is this another ”good feeling law” to bolster a hidden ego? Just enforce current law!
We already have laws that cover everything a terrorist would do. Let’s keep it simple and not add more to a complicated system already when it’s not necessary
We already have laws for this. Why are all these Republicans putting in Bills that are either unnecessary or duplicates of what protections we already have? So they can say that Dems are blocking their “efforts”?
DO SOME REAL WORK ...LIKE GUN CONTROL ...which SHOULD BE soooo simple.
This bill must have clear provisions on what’s domestic terrorism , what’s to stop the Radical Leftist Democrats from labeling conservatives as DT or any group that opposes their beliefs or agendas. Just look at what’s been done in the last 4 #MAGA
**If this could be applied to ANTIFA- Radical Left Groups- Orwellian COLLEGE ‘PROFESSORS SJW’ In the Classroom- I would strongly support it.
**Assist w/ Ukraine/China and Biden’s Family.
**Always Support 1A and 2A- The DNC is Fascism at its Finest.
The #45 fascist regime will use these tools against Americans who take part in large-scale protests, who carry out acts of civil disobedience, political opponents and anyone who questions or disagrees with their policies!
There are already laws against threats, assault, and violence. Adding more laws is unnecessary and a danger to liberty.
I don't think we need a new statute. We do, however, need better guidelines and push for enforcement of these laws to be used against domestic terrorism, which is currently the greatest threat to American lives.
On the surface sounds like a good idea, but I can see this corrupt administration using it to put the "fake media" and their other "enemies" away for terroristic threats So for now I vote no way in hell
Of course there should be. Home grown terrorists are the worst kind. Be careful though. Donald Trump would call anyone that disagrees with him a terrorist.
After the trump admin leave office preferably in cuffs. They would abuse it to persecute political rivals, minority civil rights groups, and anyone that upsets him in to an angry tweet.
If we already have existing laws that cover acts of domestic terrorism, then this legislation is unnecessary. Let's not limit the scope of how these crimes can be charged.