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house Bill H.R. 1843

Blocking the IRS From Using Civil Forfeiture to Seize Assets Unless There’s Probable Cause of a Crime

Argument in favor

The IRS has abused its civil asset forfeiture authority and taken money from people who have done nothing wrong. It should only be able to use civil asset forfeiture related to criminal behavior, not just deposit structuring violations.

Kodiwodi's Opinion
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09/05/2017
Once upon a time in this country it was innocent until proven guilty. Now, especially with asset forfeiture, it is just the opposite. I'm so ashamed to see what this country has turned into one right at a time.
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Rob's Opinion
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09/05/2017
Absolutely! And the same standard for all civil asset forfeiture! No conviction, no forfeiture!
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Deirdre 's Opinion
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09/05/2017
They should only be able to seize assets if there is a crime.
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Argument opposed

The IRS should be able to take assets from people it suspects of structuring financial transactions to avoid reporting requirements.

Mary's Opinion
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09/05/2017
Being charged with s crime is not the same as being convicted of a crime. You could be found innocent and have no assets left; or worse, have no assets to hire a decent attorney b/c everything has already been seized.
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Palorrin's Opinion
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09/05/2017
A victim of unjust civil asset forfeiture can already fight it in the courts. What this does is prevent the IRS from laying claim immediately to assets of the most wealthy when they dodge their tax responsibilities. Without asset forfeiture the IRS must first successfully win a court case while the defendant can move and hide their assets or even tie up the court for decades with injunctions and motions. This is another way for the top 1 or .1% to keep cheating the system.
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Stacy's Opinion
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09/06/2017
This only works in favor of those who hide tax money. In order to seize assets the IRS would first have to win a court case, it doesn't make sense. They should seize assets of those trying to hide or else they will have the funds to run or move assets to hide elsewhere.
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    Once upon a time in this country it was innocent until proven guilty. Now, especially with asset forfeiture, it is just the opposite. I'm so ashamed to see what this country has turned into one right at a time.
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    Being charged with s crime is not the same as being convicted of a crime. You could be found innocent and have no assets left; or worse, have no assets to hire a decent attorney b/c everything has already been seized.
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    Absolutely! And the same standard for all civil asset forfeiture! No conviction, no forfeiture!
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    They should only be able to seize assets if there is a crime.
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    The government is not supposed to seize property without due process. How is this even an issue? This is clearly specified in the 4th amendment to the constitution. “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
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    The Constitution protects us from unreasonable searches and SEIZURES. How do we determine if it is reasonable? Probable cause—the reasonable suspicion that a crime has or is occurring. Let a judge look at the evidence and sign a warrant.
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    Civil Asset Forfeiture has been and continues to be subject to massive abuse and corruption.
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    This whole business of punishment without a conviction needs to end.
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    An in-depth review of all civil forfeiture uses is needed, and greater judicial controls should be implemented in all cases. Misuse is widespread, and contrary to Constitutional principles to say nothing of judicial principles pre-dating Magna Carta.
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    Civil forfeiture should be unconstitutional. If someone obtains wealth illegally, then, of course, they should not be allowed to keep it, but this should be handled as part of the criminal conviction, not a separate trial where standard constitutional rights are tossed aside.
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    No brainer! It is a violation of the fourth amendment !
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    They should only be able to seize assets if there is a crime proven.
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    A victim of unjust civil asset forfeiture can already fight it in the courts. What this does is prevent the IRS from laying claim immediately to assets of the most wealthy when they dodge their tax responsibilities. Without asset forfeiture the IRS must first successfully win a court case while the defendant can move and hide their assets or even tie up the court for decades with injunctions and motions. This is another way for the top 1 or .1% to keep cheating the system.
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    Again, why is this even a question? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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    Yes, but let's define Structuring Financial Transactions, to avoid screening or paying taxes, as criminal behavior that it is. Therefore, the corrupt and unethical criminals can be removed from society, at least temporarily, but hopefully long enough that their criminal operations, business entities or other, may become defunct or required to clean up their unethical business practices.
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    Having assets seized without a conviction makes no sense.
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    I'm proud that a Republican and Democrat penned this bill. Hopefully it's a start to mend this country.
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    Uh yeah holy crap
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    Only if there is a crime
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    Innocent until proven guilty. No exceptions. The IRS has been abusing this loophole and we all know it. Many cases have been brought to light. I'd like to see the tax code simplified so that the IRS simply collects taxes. No form 1040 should be needed in any tax reform.
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