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house Bill H.R. 1716

Eliminating Social Security Benefits for Work Done While In the Country Illegally

Argument in favor

Social Security benefits are for American citizens, period. If work was done by a person in the U.S. under a false name and false SSN, that person should not retroactively collect SSI benefits for that work.

Gopin2020's Opinion
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04/03/2016
If your a criminal, here illegally, no reward for breaking our laws. I don't care if it sounds cruel but your the one who broke our laws, no one forced you to do it.
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jackson's Opinion
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06/24/2015
We need to quit arguing over what we should be providing to these illegal aliens when they cross our border undocumented. The simple answer is nothing. Using American paid tax dollars on people who chose to exploit our border situation and come here illegally is ILLEGAL. The argument that we should provide to them because some of them pay taxes is ridiculous. Yeah it may seem "nice" to give back, but this spineless attitude is the precise reason why the south is flooded with undocumented immigrants. Social security is already suffocating, and allowing those who aren't even American citizens to withdraw benefits from it doesn't make any economic sense.
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ThomasParker's Opinion
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07/07/2015
Those who have paid into the system previously should be refunded the full amount. In addition, it should not be illegal to work in the United States, period. While these people are here illegally, they should not be forced to pay social security taxes (or Medicaid, etc.) and we should allow them to work until their deportation. At least this way, they will be able to benefit their families before they are returned home.
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Argument opposed

The surplus of these immigrants will become legal citizens; this bill simply keeps them poor, keeps Social Security trust funds lower, and disavows years if not decades of hard work.

Alis's Opinion
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06/15/2015
If you pay in, you should get benefits. This isn't a handout, it's returning $$$ that one is required by law to pay into the system. Punish the people who hired the undocumented person & return the money stolen from the person who was hired. Unless you also decide to crack down on drug use by white teenagers in the 'burbs or on financial players on Wall Street, this amounts to just another way to steal from poor people.
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StratonGarrard's Opinion
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06/15/2015
At the end of the day, more skilled workers are not a bad thing.
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6od's Opinion
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12/04/2015
My mother didn't become a citizen until 15 years ago, but she has lived here since 1944. She went to school here, went to college and has worked here her whole life. She earned her Social Security. She is an American. This bill is the most corrupt and despicable bill I have seen in a long time. Also, for all the idiots out there who don't know shit bout anything, read propaganda like its the bible (while taking both far too literally), and are satisfied with their ignorance -- IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE SS TAX WITHHELD FROM YOUR EARNINGS, YOU DON'T GET ANY BENEFITS. READ SOMETHING FACT BASED FOR ONCE.
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What is House Bill H.R. 1716?

This bill would prohibit anyone not legally authorized to work in the U.S. from receiving social security benefits for that work. 

Current law forbids a person from receiving Social Security payments if they are here illegally, but their complete work history — including work done while in the U.S. illegally — can count toward Social Security benefits if the person later becomes a legal U.S. resident. This bill would disallow work hours done while in the U.S. illegally from counting toward such benefits. 

Impact

People who live in the U.S. but are unauthorized to work in the country and their families; federal agencies connected to social security; other workers who pay into social security; Congress.

Cost of House Bill H.R. 1716

A CBO cost estimate is unavailable.

More Information

In Depth: Sponsoring Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) explained in a statement that the bill would disincentivize people from working in the U.S. illegally:
"If we are serious about removing incentives that encourage people to come here illegally, we must address foolish Social Security policies that benefit immigrants who are unauthorized to work in the United States."
The Association of Mature American Citizens furthered in a letter to Congress that current policy enables illegal immigrants to to abuse the system:
"Under current law, aliens who work in Social Security-covered employment and pay Social Security payroll taxes are permitted to collect Social Security benefits. However, allowing unauthorized workers to draw Social Security benefits enables wider abuse of Social Security, compromises U.S. immigration laws, and further complicates efforts to achieve fiscal solvency."
President Obama would almost certainly oppose the bill. As the Washington Post explains, Obama's attempt at passing unilateral immigration reform would entail giving many illegal immigrants access to social security and other benefits:
"Under President Obama’s new program to protect millions of illegal immigrants from deportation, many of those affected will be eligible to receive Social Security, Medicare and a wide array of other federal benefits." 

As White House spokesman Shawn Turner explained, if people are willing to pay into social security, they should be able to receive the benefits:

"If they pay in, they can draw."
Of Note: Many illegal immigrants already pay into social security without receiving benefits. As VICE News explains, illegal immigrants pay about $12 billion per year to social security after accounting for what they get back:
"Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration (SSA), told VICE News that an estimated 7 million people are currently working in the US illegally. Of those, he estimates that about 3.1 million are using fake or expired social security numbers, yet also paying automatic payroll taxes. Goss believes that these workers pay an annual net contribution of $12 billion to the Social Security Trust Fund."

This bill has been introduced many times before. Rep. Rohrbacher has introduced the bill seven times without it reaching a vote on the floor of the House a single time. He introduced it in 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013, and now in 2015.

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AKA

No Social Security for Illegal Immigrants Act of 2015

Official Title

To amend title II of the Social Security Act to exclude from creditable wages and self-employment income wages earned for services by aliens illegally performed in the United States and self-employment income derived from a trade or business illegally conducted in the United States.

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      house Committees
      Social Security
      Committee on Ways and Means
    IntroducedMarch 26th, 2015
    If your a criminal, here illegally, no reward for breaking our laws. I don't care if it sounds cruel but your the one who broke our laws, no one forced you to do it.
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    If you pay in, you should get benefits. This isn't a handout, it's returning $$$ that one is required by law to pay into the system. Punish the people who hired the undocumented person & return the money stolen from the person who was hired. Unless you also decide to crack down on drug use by white teenagers in the 'burbs or on financial players on Wall Street, this amounts to just another way to steal from poor people.
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    Those who have paid into the system previously should be refunded the full amount. In addition, it should not be illegal to work in the United States, period. While these people are here illegally, they should not be forced to pay social security taxes (or Medicaid, etc.) and we should allow them to work until their deportation. At least this way, they will be able to benefit their families before they are returned home.
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    We need to quit arguing over what we should be providing to these illegal aliens when they cross our border undocumented. The simple answer is nothing. Using American paid tax dollars on people who chose to exploit our border situation and come here illegally is ILLEGAL. The argument that we should provide to them because some of them pay taxes is ridiculous. Yeah it may seem "nice" to give back, but this spineless attitude is the precise reason why the south is flooded with undocumented immigrants. Social security is already suffocating, and allowing those who aren't even American citizens to withdraw benefits from it doesn't make any economic sense.
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    At the end of the day, more skilled workers are not a bad thing.
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    They are illegal! They should not be taking away jobs from the American citizens themselves! This frustrates me; illegal immigrants getting social security money from a country they are not even a citizen of. What are we? A bailout system to the rest of the world?
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    Social Security benefits are for American citizens, period. If work was done by a person in the U.S. under a false name and false SSN, that person should not retroactively collect SSI benefits for that work.
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    Only citizens should get Social Security, it is ridiculous that we even have to consider giving American taxpayers' money to non-American criminal illegals.
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    What part of being here illegally do the politicians not understand?? When you do this you are taking away from someone else that deserves it whether it be now or when it's time to claim it. It's for American citizens!
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    My mother didn't become a citizen until 15 years ago, but she has lived here since 1944. She went to school here, went to college and has worked here her whole life. She earned her Social Security. She is an American. This bill is the most corrupt and despicable bill I have seen in a long time. Also, for all the idiots out there who don't know shit bout anything, read propaganda like its the bible (while taking both far too literally), and are satisfied with their ignorance -- IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE SS TAX WITHHELD FROM YOUR EARNINGS, YOU DON'T GET ANY BENEFITS. READ SOMETHING FACT BASED FOR ONCE.
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    You break the law, you don't get the benefits, period.
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    These people have paid into social security. If they become citizens, the should be able to claim the benefits under the same conditions as any other citizen
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    Illegal is illegal. They shouldn't get Anything!!!
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    We need to make the hard decisions that will save this country. That includes cutting Social Security benefits to those who have paid into it. A logical first step is to prevent illegal immigrants from collecting.
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    Undocumented workers pay social security. Fairness suggests that they should at least be arable to get their money back when they reach full retirement age, not social security full benefits
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    Illegal aliens should not be rewarded in any way for breaking our laws.
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    Come in legally
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    If they can prove they contributed, they should get benefits, even if we deport them. They made the contribution, and should receive the benefits. However, the hard prt for most illegals will be proving they contributed.
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    I honestly don't even understand how this is a question. If there is a way to alleviate some of the burden on social security, this seems like a prime candidate to do so.
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    When one is illegal, you're a criminal !
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