Jennifer Crumbley, Mother of School Shooter, Found Guilty of Manslaughter

What do you think of the verdict?

  • 3,634
    John
    Voted Support
    02/06/2024

    Sadly you have to supported, who buys a gun for a child who's telling ne has hallucinations. Not to even bring up the fact of who the hell buys a child a 9 mm pistol. This Republican driven idiot nonsense of the gun and every hand is asinine. This is where it's brought us. This is where Republicans have brought us.

  • 3,908
    Jim2423
    02/07/2024

    Anyway you look at this case, it was poor decisions on both parties for this tragic event. First when you have a child with issues, parents need to seek treatment. You do not purchase any type of a weapon when someone in the immediate family has issues. The parents had the wrong attitude when the school made mention of the incidents. Schools are afraid to over step their bounds. This is going to effect a lot of parents of children who have issues in public. Whether the crime their children commit will the parents be held responsible. Not only with gun crimes. Hopefully this will wake up parents to take responsibility for raising a child to the best of your ability. I feel for the parents of the children that were injured or died. 

  • 332
    dionrdixon
    Voted Oppose
    02/07/2024

    Jennifer Crumbley, while probably not in the running for mother of the year, is not guilty of having committed a crime. The grounds for involuntary manslaughter are:
    1. The victim died because of your action(s).
    2. The action(s) you took were egregiously negligent, or you intended to cause the victim harm but not necessarily kill them.
    3. You did not have lawful justification for taking the victim’s life.
    The prosecution appealed to emotions; they did not prove that Ms. Crumbley met these grounds at all. In fact, because she was not even present during the horrific events, Grounds 1 and 3 are not applicable. So the prosecution needed to prove that her actions were egregiously negligent or that she intended to cause harm. Looking at the facts of the matter and her testimony, there was nothing about her son's behavior and demeanor that would definitively indicate to a reasonable person that violence was imminent. Therefore, there is no way to prove that her actions were egregiously negligent.

    If someone wanted to take her to civil court, that would be a different matter. But no actual crime was committed here.

  • 7,335
    larubia
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Kids should not be allowed to have/use guns unsupervised. Students/adults who are mentally struggling should NEVER have access to weapons. Both parents were negligent. School personnel should have suspended the student, at least, for his drawings. 

    None of this needed to happen. However, hopefully the verdict will wake up other parents who want to gift/allow  their child access to weapons. 

  • 2,573
    530 East Hunt Highway
    Voted Oppose
    02/07/2024

    How do you support or oppose anything without knowing all the facts!!

    Wake up and think for yourself, not be lead by this blog! 

  • 766
    Billy
    Voted Support
    last Sunday

    We should hold more parents responsible for their child's actions.  

    If a child is caught selling drugs, at least one parent should be charged.   If a child gets another child pregnant, at least one parent should be obligated to pay child support.  If a child is caught drinking and driving, at least one parent should be charged as well. If a child is bullying another child on social media, the parents should also be charged. 

    Uf the verdicts are consistent, then I support this  

     

    In many cases the parents are not charged for the actions of their children and may not even be actively involved in their lives. Is this the fault of the parent? Some say no, while others say yes. 

     

     

  • 1,605
    Sandra
    Voted Support
    02/11/2024

    There are SO many questions I have about the horrible tragedy that occured in my home town.  Why would anyone buy a 15 year old a gun, especially after admitting that the boy was depressed?  .....It has been reported, that "a number" of students did NOT go to school that fateful day because of what they saw on social media.  How many kids stayed home?....told their parents why?....Did any of these parents call the school/police about their concerns?......Why was Ethan's backpack/locker not searched?  Why was Ethan allowed to stay at school (reportedly, the parents had to return to work and neither the parents or the school wanted Ethan home alone (?) ?  Why did neither of the parents insist on checking their son's back pack/locker or check and see if all their guns were still at the house?  So, in answer to the question, are the parents culpable as well as the boy....Yes but, as I said, I have many questions.

  • 32
    Claudia
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Parents are responsible when they let their teen drive a car and the teen causes damage with that car. Should be the same with guns. If you buy a child a gun, you should pay, whether with money or jail time, for any damage that child causes.

  • 449
    Jeffery
    Voted Support
    02/08/2024

    I'm a supporter of the Second Amendment and I feel the verdict was right.  It wasn't the gun that caused the shooting but the owner.  

    Now my Senator from New Mexico who claims to be a hunter and a sportsman would claim it was a weapon of war that caused the damage and to do damage control we need more laws on the books because the other 20,000 law's aren't doing enough to stop gun violence in gun free zones.  Gun violence in a gun free zone, bit of a oxymoron or maybe just the morons that wrote that law and believe that it would work.  Compare it to the government who wants to disarm its citizens, the biggest mass shootings have been perpetrated by the government. 
    Wounded Knee, the march of WWI veterans to demand early payment of their bonds,Ruby Ridge, Waco just to name a few all done by your beloved government. 

    Or talk about the shooters that were on the radar of the FBI or local Authorities that did nothing. 


    Maybe talk about the cowards wearing police or deputy uniforms that wouldn't go in to stop an active shooter. 
    I believe the blame lands squarely on the shoulders of the Politicians who put the American citizens in harms way to begin with and the media that regurgitates the bile the politicians are spouting. Hell, half if not more of the politicians have never shot a gun and could not pick a weapon out of a line up with 6 every day use weapons and one military weapon used by the American forces. 


    I've heard Democrats stating that a AR-15 shoots a fifty caliber round.  The politicians feed off the fears of the ignorant.  They do now and will always feed you Minutia and stroke your fears. 
    It's time for a change, yes, term limits, age restrictions and cognitive tests to stay in politics. 


    The founding fathers did not intend the political system to become a nursing home.  Vote them all out this time.  Vote Libertarian 

  • 6,558
    Bruce
    Voted Support
    02/08/2024

    Minor children must rely on their parents to be parents--Not Pals....  

    Children should not have deadly weapons!

  • 3,645
    Kevin
    Voted Support
    02/08/2024

    Courts will do anything to avoid taking on the powerful gun companies, the ones who make billions of dollars from them, and the NRA who are the real mass murderers. Still, these jerk parents were partly responsible for what happened, and they survived, unlike the negligent mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, so they had justice coming to them too. I don't think it will do much to make RepublicaNazi parents think twice before arming family members, but it's better than letting them off the hook.

  • 1,122
    Lois
    Voted Support
    02/08/2024

    The Crumbleys are all guilty.  They did not address their son's problems in any sensible manner.  The parents made the problem worse.  Manslaughter is the appropriate verdict.

  • 1,352
    John
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Parents need to be held responsible for the actions of their children.  The Crumbleys made so many wrong choices leading up to their son's shooting up his school, now it is time to pay the piper.

  • 5,144
    Adam
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Normally not a fan of blaming someone for another's actions, but these are definitely mitigating circumstances. At so many points in her son's life, this woman could have intervened and likely saved four lives in the process, not including her son's life sentence.

    There's a difference between missing red flags and willfully ignoring them.

  • 2,685
    George
    Voted Support
    02/08/2024

    Accountability is not just for a child! 

  • 993
    Deemax
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    needs to be more of this!! 

  • 118
    ConcernedOne
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Hope this helps to get more parents involved in their kids daily lives. 

  • 116
    Kenneth
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    About time parents are held accountable for thier childs behavior.

  • 3,930
    Jean
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    CAUSES TELLS ME, THEN ASKS: " In a landmark decision, a jury has found Jennifer Crumbley - mother of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley - guilty of involuntary manslaughter. This verdict distinguishes Jennifer Crumbley as the first parent in the U.S. to be held criminally liable for a mass school shooting perpetrated by their child. Ethan Crumbley killed four students at his high school in 2021.What do you think of the verdict?" 

    ME: About time!  And her husband, in his separate trial, should likewise be found guilty. While many concscientious parents work hard to help their troubled children, these two are beyond the pale,  They bought thhe gun, gave it -- unsecured --to teir unjder-aged child, failed to heed warnings and concerns from his school or tell lt about the gun -- the only thing the two did not do was pull the trigger.  ,  

  • 3,262
    Steph
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Yes.   She knew her son was mentally ill and bought him a gun anyway.    She is guilty as charged.

     

    This should be made into Federal Law.

  • 427
    Darlene
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Parents need to start taking some responsibility for their children's actions. Be a parent! Stop being their friend. Talk to your children, follow what they are doing online, get to know their friends, it's ok to go through their room!  Listen to what they say and watch what they are doing.  Make them responsible for their actions. This mother did none of these things.  She ignored her son and put her own self interest before his needs.  Children died because she couldn't be bothered with the respond being a mother. She made the choice to walk out of that school and leave her son there.  My heart goes out to the parents who lost a child that day. This woman needs to go to jail for the rest of her life. 

  • 12.0k
    Mary
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Accountability with guns is always a step in the right direction.

  • 915
    Luleo
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    May this serve as a deterrent and a lesson to parents contemplating buying guns for 

  • 2,380
    Martha
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    The parents had been notified by thee school that their son was exhibiting disturbing beh. and they ignored it and then companded that by giving him a gun about a wk. before the shootings.  They were quilty of denying the warnings and aiding their son to commit these murders.  The jury was correct in their verdict and I hope that with future shootings parents will be charged if they contributed in any way to the senseless acts of violence carried out by their kids.

  • 105
    Scot
    Voted Support
    02/07/2024

    Maybe parents will take notice and start actually parenting.