The Latest: Ireland, Norway, and Spain To Recognize a Palestinian State

How do you feel about the U.S. response so far?

  • 94.9k
    LeslieG
    Voted Angry
    10/13/2023

    Haven't seen any humanitarian corridors established to provide Palestians with food, water, drugs, fuel nor safe areas designated, especially all existing hospitals.

    While Israel has a right to defend itself and the US has armed Israel over the years ($3B/year) it does not have a right to bomb Palestians civilians and infrastructure which is not only a war crime but escalatory as Hezbollah may join the fray in the north even if Lebanon and Jordan don't officially.

    Asking 1M civilians to evacuate in 24 hr is not feasible even if they all had cars, had a place to go, and roads that were not bombed. Think about the planning that goes into US evacuations for fires and hurricanes where 2-3M people are involved that happen over days, to shelters with provisions where everyone has a vehicle.

    Time to remind Israel about the rules of war, and  not destroying civilians or non-military infrastructure.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/hurricane-ian-florida-evacuation-orders-zones/671612/

  • 2,418
    Martha
    Voted Sad
    10/09/2023

    To tell the truth, I'm not sure how I feel.  While, I don't condone the attack, I know that Israel is not innocent as they have launched attacks in the past that seemed unprovoked (although I don't live over there so I can't really say for sure that the past attacks on Gaza were without provocation).  All I know is that both sides have acted like spoiled toddlers and need to sit down like real adults and work out some solution that benefits both sides.  Obviously, Gaza has reasons to not like or trust Israel and likewise Israel has reasons to not like or trust Gaza, but at some point this shit has to stop to stop the senseless killing on both sides.

  • 48.8k
    Brian
    Voted Apathetic
    10/13/2023

    It sounds more and more like Israel is about to commit mass casualties, possibly genocide, in Gaza starting as soon as their morning tomorrow.

    The international community and our US leadership needs to speak out loudly and strongly that while the horrors of last weekend were abominable and terrorism cannot be accepted, the destruction of human lives in retribution and in violation of international law is completely unacceptable.

    Netanyahu has long been a right-wing extremist when it comes to treatment of the Palestinian people, and it looks like he's finally found his reason to carry out his darkest impulses. 

    May God have mercy on the people of Gaza.

  • 1,845
    RoyB
    10/09/2023

    I read the whole comments.  I will look at another alternative.

    The enmity between Israel and Hamas is complex and multifaceted, butI believe that religion and claims to religious buildings certainly play a role.

    Both Israel and Hamas are religious movements with strong ties to Judaism and Islam, respectively. Jews believe that the land of Israel is promised to them by God, while Muslims believe that Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam. The Temple Mount/Al-Aqsa Mosque complex in Jerusalem is sacred to both Jews and Muslims, and competing claims to the site have been a source of tension and violence for centuries.

    So one could say the war going on is because of religion and land grab on both sides.  

    I don't know what the solution is other than for them to grow up and realize religions are not good reasons to go war.  Historically, many wars happened because of religions.  

  • 714
    Keyless
    Voted Excited
    10/17/2023

    Biden is correct. An Israeli ground invasion of Gaza could very well prove to be a collosal mistake.

    There is a good chance of it proving counterproductive in terms of subdoing Hamas;

    A good chance of serious unintended consequences,

    A chance of it sparking a larger confilct in the region, including possible world war;

    And finally, a full scale invasion in civilian territory will likely paint Israel in a very negative light internationally.

  • 5,211
    Adam
    Voted Happy
    02/09/2024

    Okay, as a liberal, but also as a Jewish person, I've tried to avoid commenting on this site, but here's the thing, as I see it:
    1) you can support Israel without agreeing with its government. Frankly, I think Netanyahu is a real asshole. And that's despite the fact that we both graduated from the same high school. However, I support Israel's right to exist and defend itself against those who would see to destroy it.
    2) you can support the Palestinians without being antisemitic. I do, in fact. However, check your history. There's a reason the West Bank and Gaza strip exist and it's not because the ancestors of the current residents thought they would be nice vacation spots. Read up on Jordan's and Egypt's roles in creating these two sectors and how they responded to Palestinian requests for asylum after Israel's victory in 1948.
    3) you cannot support Hamas without being antisemitic. Or kind of horrible. As a billboard I saw the other day said, "There is no excuse for kidnapping, rape, and murder." No matter how sympathetic you may find the Palestinian cause (it is) or how horrible you may find Israel's current administration (they are), what happened on October 7 cannot be justified. Nor can a call for completely obliterating a sovereign state.

    Anyway, my 2¢.

  • 8,043
    larubia
    Voted Angry
    10/09/2023

    I'm saddened by recent events and worried about the implications for the United States and our NATO allies. Although this attack seemingly did not make intelligence agency's radar, it's been brewing for a while & Isreal is not blameless, in my opinion. 

    This region has been fought over for centuries, because of religion. I find it ironic that the major tenet of each of these religions is, in a sense, "the Golden Rule".

     

    Here is a brief history:

    https://youtu.be/m19F4IHTVGc?si=2g7tcaPsWPsNfu-w

  • 9,066
    M
    Voted Apathetic
    02/13/2024

    @causes @bart

    Bumping old threads up when new replies don't bump up within them makes these threads useless for commenters. Please, just start a new thread.

    Just look how far one must scroll to find comments. 

  • 46
    Amy
    11/05/2023

    We need to use our power and influence to stop the killing of innocent civilians in Gaza Strip. Too many innocents are dying.

  • 3,360
    Steph
    Voted Sad
    02/07/2024

    IDF continues to lie.  "They beheaded babies"  Not True.

    "There's tunnells underneath this cemetary for HAMAS"  Not true, just an excuse to dig up dead bodies and dump them like garbage on the border for psychological warfare.

     

    IDF Murder and Torture Porn Channel (Compared to Horrors of Abu Ghraib)   and they tru to excuse themselves.

     

    NO other country would be given a free pass for all of this, and neither should they.

     

     

     

  • 37
    Rebecca
    Voted Happy
    10/10/2023

    The President and many advisers are working around the clock to advocate for both hostages and Israel. Palestinian people need to be heard but do not need representation by Hamas -or Iran or other outside groups.

  • 1,440
    Reilly
    Voted Excited
    10/13/2023

    Good on the President for saying what he said. 

     

    President Biden called Hamas' attack on Israel "pure unadulterated evil," as he vowed, "We stand with Israel."

    "We'll make sure Israel has what it needs to take care of itself," Biden said Tuesday from the White House.

    Hamas militants attacked Israel on Saturday, killing more than 900 people, including at least 14 Americans. Israel has responded with a siege and heavy bombing of the Gaza Strip.

    "Like every nation in the world, Israel has the right to respond — indeed has a duty to respond — to these vicious attacks," Biden said.

    Biden has expressed full-throated support for Israel in the wake of what he and his officials have described as terrorist attacks.

     

    https://www.npr.org/2023/10/10/1204861972/biden-will-address-the-nation-on-the-israel-attack

  • 606
    Arnold
    Voted Apathetic
    Today at 10:22 AM

    When hamas burned babies alive they kinda lost any sympathy from me. I'm for burning hamas alive until none are remaining.

  • 94.9k
    LeslieG
    Voted Angry
    last Wednesday

    @Causes: While I make this post on the latest event of 3 countries recognizing Palestine as a country, I fully expect it to disappear into the abyss of this reused thread never to be seen again after it's no longer a "recent" post, and this thread is reused for the next event

     3 countries (Ireland, Norway, Spain) join (5-21-24) the 138 of the United Nations' 193 members (and one observer) that have already recognized Palestine as of 2022.

    7 of the 27-nation European Union recognize a Palestinian state. (5 eastern bloc countries in 1988, Cyprus, before joining the bloc & Sweden in 2014).

    Netanyahu is responsible for destroying the progress under the Oslo Accords. Based on historical precedent, no progress on the 2 states that solution will occur as long as Netanyahu is at the helm.

    “In 1947, the United Nations proposed the two-state solution, which would divide Mandatory Palestine into two separate nations: a Jewish state and an Arab state. Neither state would possess Jerusalem, which would become an internationalized territory.”

    “Israel was founded in May 1948, coinciding with the British withdrawal from Palestine, and the Arab-Israeli conflict quickly broke out between Israel and Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and Palestine. Although its intensity has waxed and waned over the decades, the conflict continues today.”

    “In 1988, the Palestinian Declaration of Independenceproclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine. The Declaration was recognized by several countries shortly after. In 1993 and 1995, the Oslo Accords were signed by Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization to resolve the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including establishing the Palestinian National Authority as a self-governing interim administration in areas of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.”

    “In 1996 the rightwing Likud returned to power under the leadership of Binyamin Netanyahu. He made no effort to conceal his deep antagonism to Oslo, denouncing it as incompatible with Israel's right to security and with the historic right of the Jewish people to the whole land of Israel. And he spent his first three years as PM in a largely successful attempt to arrest, undermine, and subvert the accords concluded by his Labour predecessors.”

    “Particularly destructive of the peace project was the policy of expanding Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian territory. These settlements are illegal under international law and constitute a huge obstacle to peace. Building civilian settlements beyond the Green Line does not violate the letter of the Oslo accords but it most decidedly violates its spirit. As a result of settlement expansion the area available for a Palestinian state has been steadily shrinking to the point where a two-state solution is barely conceivable.”

    https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-palestinian-state-recognition-what-to-know-ed18d4cc50b20c8238e0de0068080eb0

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-palestine

  • 9,020
    Charles
    Voted Angry
    last Wednesday

    Two States needed!

  • 50
    Tara
    Voted Angry
    last Wednesday

    The response is absolutely ridiculous and hypocritical. You can't be okay when it comes to the Russia warrants and mad at these. It shows fear of knowing you also will be found complicit eventually, there are lawmakers even saying it out loud. The fact our leaders are willing to take the US down with this sinking ship of a colonial project is mind boggling. The denial of genocide is grotesque and it shows how alienated we are from the views of a larger portion of the world that is not in denial and recognizes it for what it is. 

  • 1,720
    Nancy
    Voted Angry
    last Wednesday

    ICC Needs to sit down. Let Israel do what they need to do. 

  • 3,613
    Surender
    Voted Angry
    last Wednesday

    US on the wrong side of history once again! 
    Ireland, Norway and Spain recognize Palestine, many more to follow in days...

  • 3,709
    Kevin
    Voted Angry
    last Wednesday

    Benjamin N. is keeping this war going, in part, because he's under investigation. Of course, he needs to be removed from power. This did not start on Oct. 7. It's been going on for three-quarters of a century.

  • 246
    Milton
    Voted Happy
    last Tuesday

    Hamas and Israel are to blame

  • 3,360
    Steph
    Voted Sad
    last Tuesday

    I agree with the arrest warrants for both.  Hamas killed innocent civilians, and Israel is engaged in "ethnic cleansing" which is genocide, and they are well aware of this fact as Jewish people were once the victims of an attempted "ethnic cleansing".    Netenyahu and his regime or even using the exact same terminology in decsbribing the Palestinians as Hitler used to decsirbe the Jews.  It's wrong on all levels and not only should all of the leaders of Hamas be charges, arrested and tries at the Haugue , but also the same should be so for Bibi and his regime.

  • 8,015
    DaveS
    Voted Apathetic
    last Tuesday

    Can't think for himself?

  • 3,613
    Surender
    Voted Angry
    last Tuesday

    The ICC should have done this much earlier! If the US defines itself as a country of 'law and order' it should be at the forefront of this body not just when it suits our convenience? 

  • 8,015
    DaveS
    Voted Apathetic
    last Tuesday

    It is interesting that the so called educated try to make a black and white statement out of a complex situation. Don't loose sight that Israel did not start the war, just like Ukraine, but they may finish it! United States of America cannot stop wars. Yes, America supports democracy would you have it not and support dictatorship?

  • 48.8k
    Brian
    Voted Apathetic
    last Monday

    The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and the leaders of Hamas:

     https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-hamas-gaza-may/?id=110380947

      

     It's time for accountability. The people of Israel should demand change in leadership and a better plan for this war to end and the hostages to come home.

  • 72
    a7
    Voted Angry
    last Saturday

    abolish the military

  • 7
    John
    Voted Excited
    05/16/2024

    Hamas is the aggressor. They refuse peace deals because they don't want peace. They want to destroy Israel. 

  • 6
    Ron
    Voted Excited
    05/16/2024

    Wipe out the terrorists - show no mercy. 

  • 606
    Arnold
    Voted Apathetic
    05/17/2024

    October 7.From the sea to the river Israel shall be free. 

  • 1,180
    sepena
    Voted Apathetic
    05/17/2024

    the u.s. response has very slowly improved. but netanyahu's actions are disgusting. forcing palestinian civilians to constantly move into unlivable areas and then bombing those areas after they move into them is reprehensible.

  • 983
    Luleo
    Voted Angry
    05/16/2024

    WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE IDIOTS WHO WANT TO KEEP SUPPORTING THE ISRAELI GENOCIDE????

  • 3,360
    Steph
    Voted Sad
    05/16/2024

    I am sick to death of MY Tax Dollars going forth to pay for the genocide that a corrupt despot wants.  AIPAC is evil, but looooord!  Those folks on The Hill just love cashing their sweet, sweet checks in order to support BIBI's Genocide.

     

    What makes it worse is that the corrupt despot now running (and ruining) Isarel is using Nazi based language to describe the Palastininas exactly lik Hitler and the Nazis did regarding the Jews.  THE EXACT language.

     

    When a group that has been mariginalized turns around and does the same thing to another group, using the same language, it is deliberate.  They studies Hitler's playbook and are now doing the same thing and it was wrong then and it is doubly wrong now.

     

    I am in utter disgust that my country is involved in paying for and promoting a Genocide.