NY Bans Fossil Fuels in New Buildings - Should More Do the Same?

Should more states do the same?

  • 94.2k
    LeslieG
    Voted Yes
    05/16/2023

    Use of fossil fuels in buildings is responsible for 13% of greenhouse gases. It's also responsible for about 286 gasoline explosions/year.

    New York legislation banning fossil fuels for new construct of building with 7 floors or less by 2026 and higher than 7 stories by 2029 joins California and Washington (2019) bans implemented through building codes, while 23 states have choice laws sponsored by local fossil fuel utilities and business groups (campaign contributors) to prevent state and local governments from regulating energy sources used by homeowners and business owners.

    Despite the choice laws some cities have banned new gas lines due to dangerous explosions, and offer rebates to encourage electrification.

    "Fossil fuel combustion in buildings, mostly for heating, is responsible for about 13% of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States, according to 2019 figures from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency."

    https://www.millerweisbrod.com/preventing-gas-explosions

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/28/new-york-ban-gas-furnaces-stoves-new-buildings-00094411

    https://www.npr.org/2023/05/04/1173724432/new-york-state-is-set-to-ban-fossil-fuels-in-new-construction-starting-in-2026

    https://stateline.org/2023/05/03/new-york-to-ban-fossil-fuels-in-new-buildings-23-states-have-forbidden-such-bans/?amp=1

    https://stateline.org/2022/01/06/natural-gas-bans-are-new-front-in-effort-to-curb-emissions/

  • 8,921
    M
    05/17/2023

    I think there should be an exception for restaurants and possibly an up charge for homes who plan to install a professional cooktop. I say this because there are truly are no electric equivalents for some types of cooking. For the average cook, electric is fine. For an advanced cook wanting the performance of a professional appliance electric can't do it all at this point in time. 

    Local story: after multi year delay partially due to pandemic and all permits etc done w new build near completion. Chef José Andrés was going to back out of opening his new restaurant here, because the city had enacted a ban on new buildings with gas (late term in the process). He stated there was no electrical equivalent that could produce the quality and type of dishes planned for this location. I looked up the status just now, and the story posted an hour ago, the city reversed its position (there was a pending lawsuit) and Chef Andrés can go ahead as planned.

    This I why I think restaurants should be the exception. I don't want avid home cooks to be forced to give up their hobby, so I think there should be definite financial incentives to go electric, but I don't think it should be enforced as a complete ban until electric can fully be equivalent to gas. 

  • 3,959
    Jim2423
    Voted No
    05/16/2023

    I believe we are pushing the cart ahead of the horse. No alternative backup. 

  • 1,927
    Paul
    Voted Maybe
    05/17/2023

    Usually yes, but sometimes it's just impractical. 

  • 48.2k
    Brian
    Voted Yes
    05/16/2023

    It's time to move away from fossil fuels in every way possible, especially since we know that the current format of gas stoves are polluting our indoor air and exacerbating asthma and other health problems.

    I don't think we should force current housing stock and homeowners to get rid of these stoves, even though they're harming their own health, but there's no reason to allow them to be put into new houses. 

    Even if the appliance manufacturers did make them burn cleaner and safer, we'd still be burning fossil fuels which our planet cannot afford.

    Electric stoves are the way of the future, at least until something better comes along, and this is a good phased transition that we should be making.

    But hey, if those on the right want to keep subsidizing the oil & gas companies, I'm sure they'll fight and rant about this.

  • 8,978
    Charles
    05/18/2023

    Glad New York is helping reduce the carbon foot print.

  • 854
    Larry
    Voted No
    05/17/2023

    Methane is a renewable resource. It occurs naturally and is a byproduct of organic matter decomposing. Some forward thinking people have managed to pipe it off landfills for heating homes and generating electricity. This reduces it's presence in the atmosphere. Why would anyone be against using natural gas (methane)?

  • 283
    dorie
    Voted Maybe
    05/17/2023

    At one time in AZ you could not use gas furnaces, water heater, or ranges, all new homes were total electric. What I found from this ban on gas furnaces was that electic heat pumps were not very effective.  I found this to be true also in colder states where I have lived.  Total electric when the temp was 20 degrees did not keep the house warm. I do think we must do something about climate change, but how we go about it must be done with not only care to protect the climate, but also what do we do if the electric grid goes down as it did in Texas and the east coast.  Is gas powered generators that add polution the answer? Also, we must come together as Americans who have accomplished great things, and not allow the solution to be decided by politics.  

  • 142
    J.J.
    Voted No
    05/31/2023

    Vote yes on the debt extension proposal

  • 950
    SamJenkins
    Voted Yes
    05/21/2023

    Despite my love for cooking with gas, I endorse the transition toward abandoning using natural gas. The argument prevalent in California is that the current electrical grid cannot handle the strains. This is true. Thus, abundant, affordable electricity needs to become accessible to everyone before removing natural gas. 

    Suppose all new constructions were required to supply enough electricity to sustain their occupants. I believe in California; this might be possible. It might reduce or do away with new highrise buildings, but population density is also a climate issue. If our country addresses climate change, we need to use our ingenuity. We must cast off the idea of returning to the way it used to be. It is time to go forward into a new future.

  • 1,479
    Bonn77
    Voted Yes
    05/20/2023

    We are feeing the impact of fossil fuel usage, today. What will tomorrow bring if we don't stop these bad habits?

    The energy of the sun, wind and water is ours to harness and we are turning our backs on it in order to make the wealthy oil companies more wealthy. It is time to think about climate reforms, instead of money for the already rich. 

    We must out of office those that are unwilling to address these issues. Yes it is a process, but we need it sooner than later!


    Congress must act...

  • 1,711
    Nancy
    Voted No
    05/18/2023

    NO this is stupid!

  • 197
    William
    Voted Yes
    05/18/2023

    We need to shut down the use of fossil fuels, period!!!  It will take time to make a total transition, but if we don't start somewhere we will never get started!  The time for transition is now!  New construction is a golden opportunity to make the change.

  • 277
    Harry
    Voted No
    05/18/2023

    Just wanting blackouts. Speaking of which, when is something going to be done about wind turbines killing bald eagles?

  • 3,700
    Kevin
    Voted Yes
    05/18/2023

    I'm glad NY is taking this step. There are also steps to be taken that can lower the carbon footprint of building materials such as cement and steel.

  • 1,022
    Deemax
    Voted Yes
    05/17/2023

    The red states won't, they really could give a rats ass about the safety of their constituents 

  • 2,511
    Joan
    Voted Yes
    05/17/2023

    At this point, with evidence of climate change overwhelming us, it is incumbent on every person, organization and governmental agency to ramp up efforts to save the environment. Governments and their agencies, as well as large companies, should bear the most responsibility since their actions have the likelihood greater change and improvement of the situation. I wish lawmakers, Republicans in particular, would take their heads out of the sand and start to get serious on this issue.

  • 1,714
    Lesley
    Voted No
    05/17/2023

    It's a bit over the top. Can we use reason? 

  • 13.4k
    MrGeer
    Voted Yes
    05/17/2023

    YES!!!

     

  • 1,878
    Dawn
    Voted Yes
    05/17/2023

    The fact that Illinois isn't using wind power by now is beyond me.

     

  • 2,934
    Gdbondii
    Voted Yes
    05/17/2023

    I love my gas stove but methane is a problem 

  • 1,834
    George
    Voted Yes
    05/17/2023

    This is a good step you guys needs to support clean energy for my generation millennials and gen z

  • 225
    Patrick
    Voted Yes
    05/17/2023

    We need to make better choices of transistioning from fossil fuels to greener energy. However, we're dealing with stubborn who fear or deny change. As long as those people exist, green transistion will be difficult.

  • 2,235
    JERRE
    Voted No
    05/17/2023

    Hurt us, help China