Two Teens Shot in Another ‘Stand Your Ground’ and ‘Shoot First’ Case

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  • 8,104
    DaveS
    04/23/2023

    That is nothing billionaires are not making enough money so they are lobbying against child labor law, if the child live long enough?

  • 12.0k
    Mary
    04/21/2023

    The GOP has turned America into a shooting gallery.

  • 9,037
    Charles
    04/21/2023

    I will be" standing my ground" at the ballot box with the hope of removing all Congress members who refuse to vote on gun reforms and take money from the NRA.  Please join me.

  • 2,947
    Arlys
    04/21/2023

    Human beings with traces of paranoia in their psychological make-up have no business owning any type of firearm.  It's one of the main reasons I support background checks and pschological screenings before being allowed to purchase a gun.

    I was brought up to "think before I acted" which eliminates the need for "stand your ground" attitude.  The "puppet masters" controlling our politicians have done more damage to our society than is necessary unless they are doing so to control the masses to be their "slaves".  Reminds me of a saying my mother used to use on me, "Don't do as I do.  Do as I say."  Which never did make much sense to me except for the fact that it was experience talking.  So why didn't they do something to change it?  There is always room for improvement in each and every one of us.  This is a "personal choice" which they haven't tried to take away from us YET.  But they are obviously working on it.

    "Shoot first, ask questions afterwards" is nothing more than asking for trouble.  I believe that if someone tries to prevent me from doing anything, I have the right to "stand my ground" as long as I am harming no one else by what ever I am doing at the time.  It still doesn't give them the right to shoot me over it.  Common sense is a commodity lacking in this day and age and we have no one to blame but our own stupidity for electing arse kissing politicians into office.

  • 285
    Gale
    04/21/2023

    Stand your ground laws are dangerous and cause people to shoot without good cause.  It is one thing to defend yourself when you are in your own home or when there is no alternative but there are too many cases where people shoot when there is no actual danger.  People are acting on irrational fears or when they could avoid the conflict entirely.  Combined with guns everywhere, stand your ground laws are a death sentence far too often.  It is also apparent that Stand your Ground Laws are being used by racists and bigots to justify killing those they hate.  These laws should be wiped from the books.

  • 3,959
    Jim2423
    04/20/2023

    Stand Your Ground is pure BS. If someone breaks into your home, that is one thing. But ringing your door bell, getting the wrong driveway, mistake a wrong vehicle. That is pure murder. Even if thieves were to steal your vehicle, you have insurance. This gun violence is crucifiing good law biding gun owners. This is nothing more than attorneys making money off gun violence. These are pure out and out murder cases. Stand Your Ground should be abolished. 

  • 49.9k
    Brian
    04/20/2023

    While the Kansas City shooting of Ralph Yarl might have had "a racial component" as the police said, it's pretty clear that all these incidents have something else in common: men with no tolerance for young people and use their guns. 

    The guns and their owners are the problem.

  • 1,330
    anihundt
    04/20/2023

    Years ago a man was charged for murder for killing a person who was stealing his car and using it as a weapon.

    This occurred in Florida.

    The person stealing the car was a white teenager. Again the teenager was trying to run the owner over with his car. The owner was in the military and I believed he was an officer. They used the military training against the owner. The prosecutor said the military taught the owner how to kill. Yes, the owner was black.

    20/20 did a news report about the stand your ground law in Florida about 20 years ago. I have been against this law every since.

    I have had people knocking on my door but never pointed a gun at them I just tell them to go away.

    People need to use their words and ask questions.

     

  • 96.4k
    LeslieG
    04/20/2023

    Unfortunately the castle doctrine to protect one's home if someone enters has been modified to apply outside the home and no longer requires a person to retreat along with there being more guns than people has made people more aggressive in situations involving conflict. A summary of states' Stand your Ground Laws from National Conference of State Legislators (NCSL):

    "The common law principle of “castle doctrine” says that individuals have the right to use reasonable force, including deadly force, to protect themselves against an intruder in their home. This principle has been codified and expanded by state legislatures."

    "In the 1980s, a handful of state laws (nicknamed “make my day” laws) addressed immunity from prosecution in use of deadly force against another who unlawfully and forcibly enters a person’s residence. In 2005, Florida passed a law related to castle doctrine, expanding on that premise with “stand your ground” language related to self-defense and duty to retreat.   Florida’s law states “a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

    -28 states and Puerto Rico - no duty to retreat from an attacker in any place in which one is lawfully present.  (AL, AK, AZ, AR, FL, GA, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MI, MS, MO, MT, NV, NH, NC, ND, OH, OK, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV WY).

    -10 of those states include language stating one may “stand his or her ground.”  (AL, FL, GA, ID, KS, KY, LA, OK, PA, SC)

    -8 states (CA, CO, IL, NM, OR, VA, VT, WA) permit the use of deadly force in self-defense through judicial decisions or jury instructions.

    -"Pennsylvania's law, amended in 2011, distinguishes use of deadly force outside one’s home or vehicle.  It provides that in such locations one cannot use deadly force unless he has reasonable belief of imminent death or injury, and either he or she cannot retreat in safety or the attacker displays or uses a lethal weapon."

    -"Idaho’s law, passed in 2018, expanded the definition of justifiable homicide to include not only defending one’s home against an intruder, but also defending one’s place of employment or an occupied vehicle."

    -23 states have self defense laws to provide civil immunity. (AZ, AR, CO,, FL, GA, ID, IL, IN, KY, LA, MD, MI, MT, NH, NC, ND, OK, OH, PA, SC, TN, WV, WI).

    -6 states (HI, MI, NE, NJ, ND, TN) have statutes assert that civil remedies are unaffected by criminal provisions of self-defense law.

    -"In 2018, the Ohio House and Senate voted to override the Governor’s veto of House Bill 228. The bill places the burden of disproving a self-defense claim on the prosecution."

    -16 states (AZ, AR, CA, FL, KS, KY, LA, MI, NC, ND, OK, PA, RI, SC, WI, WY) have replaced the common law “reasonable person” standard, which placed the burden on the defendant to show that their defensive action were reasonable, with a “presumption of reasonableness,” or “presumption of fear,” which shifts the burden of proof to the prosecutor to prove a negative.

    https://www.ncsl.org/civil-and-criminal-justice/self-defense-and-stand-your-ground

  • 3,725
    Surender
    04/20/2023

    What’s going on with all the wrong-place wrong-time shootings? Everyone seems to be asking 


    DUH?

    is america that stupid?

    its simple ... have gun will use!

    how are you going to monitor milions with anger and other issues - frustration, joblessness, poverty, health, road rage, etc 

    NOTHING will change until guns are out of the picture

    there is NO such thing as a 'good guy' with a gun

    however sheer stupidity prevails and you can't recall a bullet or count to 10

  • 49.9k
    Brian
    04/20/2023

    These laws have always been flawed, because "self defense" is a subjective standard and some people obviously feel threatened by the slightest glance, let alone a gesture or a reach for a weapon. 

    The standard to prove self defense needs to be very high, as nobody should be killed just for asking for help or making a wrong turn. Old white men cannot get away with shooting anyone they want just because they have a gun in their home.

    And maybe at a certain age you need to prove your mental competence to hold onto that gun.

  • 3,966
    Jean
    04/20/2023

    CAUSES says, "Want to see 'stand your ground' laws repealed? Contact your representatives."  Colorado doesn't have a specific "stand your ground" statute per se, but the State Supreme Court has upheld the "stand your ground" concept under provisions of certain other statutes.  Me?  Given the flagrant abuses to which such laws in other states have lead to horrific situations and deaths, I'm quite opposed to them.  My US Senators might be sympathetic to overturning such laws (I hope they'd at least listen to the argument), but my Rep?  Do pigs fly?  I suspect he'd want to see such laws cast in concrete all over the land.

    https://www.shouselaw.com/co/blog/laws/is-colorado-a-stand-your-ground-state/

  • 6,725
    Bruce
    04/20/2023

    Too many guns makes killing another living person too easy.  

    Stand Your Ground Laws make too many sketchy shootings legal.  

    I wish more people could spend just one shift in a Level One Trauma Center so they could see the horrible destruction bullets do to the human body--other human beings!  

    I've treated such wounds.  

    It was too too easy for the person to shoot those patients.  It took a highly skilled team of medical specialists hours and intense and dufficult work to save their lives.  

    And too often they fail to save the victims' lives!