DOJ Files Lawsuit Against Norfolk Southern Over Train Derailment

Should Ohio hold Norfolk Southern responsible? Let Gov. DeWine know what you think.

  • 2,937
    Arlys
    04/03/2023

    Its a sad state of affairs when government has to regulate the behavior of companies to do the right things.  The lust for money and power destroys all the good a company can do.  Besides employees, there is the matter of maintenence and upkeep of machinery, transportation, and other factors to take into consideration.  Neglect of responsibilities regarding the business is a red flag to failure.  In the long run, spending a little cash before hand to prevent accidents such as this, should be a priority no matter who sits on the board, who the company's "president" or CEO is.  Providing a stable work environment should always be a top priority to ensure the community standing which in turn will improve the end product or service.  They should, on all counts, be held liable for the damage.

    So quit complaining about "big government" having too much power over businesses of any type.  These regulations are needed to offset the greed and lust for power.

  • 266
    Sean629
    04/03/2023

    One word "HELL YEAH".

    Hold NS accountiable.

  • 93.9k
    LeslieG
    03/17/2023

    "Newly released data shows soil in the Ohio town of East Palestine – scene of a recent catastrophic train crash and chemical spill – contains dioxin levels hundreds of times greater than the exposure threshold above which Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) scientists in 2010 found poses cancer risks."

    "The data probably confirms fears that the controlled burn of vinyl chloride in the days after the train wreck in the town created dioxin and dispersed it throughout the area, experts say, though they stressed the new data is of limited value because only two soil samples were checked."

    "Dioxins are a class of chemicals that are a byproduct produced when chlorine is burned, which is a common industrial process in making products like PVC."

    "The chemicals are highly persistent and can accumulate and stay for years in the environment or human bodies. Among other health issues, the compounds are linked to cancer, diabetes, heart disease, nervous system disorders and other serious health problems. Soil and food contamination are considered to be among the most common exposure routes."

    "After resisting calls for weeks to test for dioxins, the EPA on 3 March announced it would order Norfolk Southern to do so. Separately, Indiana last week commissioned testing of East Palestine soil because one of the state’s landfills is storing it. The testing was conducted by what Birnbaum characterized as a reputable laboratory."

    "Regulators establish the toxicity of dioxins in a soil sample by calculating the “toxicity equivalence” of all dioxins in the soil compared with the most toxic dioxin compound, called 2,3,7,8 TCDD. East Palestine soil showed levels of “2,3,7,8 TCDD toxicity equivalence” of 700 parts per trillion (ppt). The level at which the EPA will initiate cleanup action in residential areas is 1,000 ppt."

    "However, the cleanup triggers are much lower in many states – 90 ppt in Michigan, and 50 ppt in California."

    "It is also unclear where and at what depth the samples were collected, Prasse noted, all of which has implications for potential health risks in East Palestine. The chemicals would especially present a risk in dust and gardens, or for children playing outside, he added. Many homes are a matter of feet from the wreck site."

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/17/norfolk-southern-derailment-east-palestine-ohio-carcinogenic-chemical-levels

  • 93.9k
    LeslieG
    03/15/2023

    Ohio is suing NS to recoup state costs associated with the derailment, require future soil & water testing, and preventing NS of disposing evidence like contaminated soil. Hopefully this changes NS cost/benefit on upgrading braking systems, spending more time in station for ball bearing inspections, consider shortening trains and making them less heavy so they remain upright in derailments like European trains.

    "Ohio is suing Norfolk Southern Railway after one of its trains derailed in East Palestine with toxic chemicals on board, Attorney General Dave Yost announced Tuesday."

    "The 58-count lawsuit filed in federal court is the strongest rebuke of Norfolk Southern since a train spilled hazardous materials into the air, water and soil on Feb. 3, rattling the small village of 4,700 along the Ohio-Pennsylvania border. Five of the derailed cars contained vinyl chloride, which the railroad later vented and burned to prevent an explosion."

    "The lawsuit seeks to force Norfolk Southern to pay for costs incurred by the state, including the emergency response, economic damage and harm to natural resources. It also asks the court to order the company to conduct future soil and groundwater monitoring and prevent them from disposing contaminated soil at the derailment site."

    "Yost said it's impossible to know at this point how expensive the recovery will be."

    ""This was an epic disaster," he said. "The cleanup is going to be expensive, and it’s going to take some significant dollars to put the people of East Palestine back as close as possible to the position they were before Feb. 3."

    "Yost previously warned Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw that his office was considering legal action, according to a letter obtained by the USA TODAY Network Ohio Bureau. Yost instructed the company to preserve all information relevant to the lawsuit, including employee and contractor records."

    "The state's action follows roughly two dozen lawsuitsfiled on behalf of residents and businesses who say they've been affected by the derailment."

    https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/14/ohio-train-derailment-east-palestine-ag-dave-yost-sues-norfolk-southern/69923808007/

  • 3,539
    Surender
    03/12/2023

    For NS to shirk their responsibilities - accountability - drag their feet is obscene and likewise with politicians, shareholders 

    they all should be penalized heavily

    all of these derailments are avoidale. we have the tech & means 

    bring the hammer down NOW! 

  • 3,405
    Adel
    03/11/2023

    I just learned this morning from Michigan Rep. Deb Dingle that it is common practice to make the toxic waste chemical spills disappear into the Great Lakes for free dumping!  I would like to mention to you that the largest fresh water source in the World is the Great Lakes of Michigan.  The second largest is Lake Bailkal in Russia, yes Russia.   I have known for a long time that if we, at some point, hit a fresh water problem, one in which oh, say.......the 70 year old Canadian Enbridge oil pipeline that lies beneath the Mackinaw Bridge should spring a leak, as it has done many, many, times in recent years who would fix it, who would clean it up? At the hearings in D.C.in the late 70's the Coast Guard said that there would be no way to clean it up and no one to pay for it?   So just accept this right now.  If there ever is an oil spill in the Straits of Mackinaw there will be no clean up.  The currents where Lake Huron and Lake Michigan collide are the same beneth that Bridge as those measured of the currents at Niagra Falls! So I predict that we are going to need to nogotiate the end of the war in Keiv with some sort of a fresh water because we are to dumb to take care of what we have right now!  I know, I know.

  • 41.9k
    jimK
    03/10/2023

    The only way to dissuade large corporations actions that value their profitability more than their obligation to serve the public (customers and those they interact with) is to make damaging the people more expensive and less profitable.

    Regulations, class-action suits, personal injury suits, defamation suits and meaningful fines are the only ways available to take the incentives away to write-off damages done to people as being less damaging to their profits than addressing safety issues that knowingly can damage people needlessly. 

  • 25.8k
    Frank_001
    03/09/2023

    March 9, 2023

    Dear Senators,

    There are at least two goals to accomplish with today's hearings 1. To Hold Norfolk Southern accountable for all its derailments and loss of life and property,  and 2. To Establish Strict Regulations for the Railroads, especially for All Norfolk Southern lines. 

    Best Regards

     

     

  • 1,479
    Bonn77
    03/08/2023

    It is time for corporate boards that allow such negligence to be held accountable for such injustices. Everything is about money and who has it and who towers over who...what have we become in society? Going back to Reagan's time when he lessened the abilities of the EPA, people have been subjected to health issues from corporate greed. And, Trump and his merry gage of profit mongers have allowed yet more corporate dereliction to society. Have they no morals?!

    Yes, the railroad must be held accountable!

    Of course there are side effects to chemical spills. Just like water finding it's own path with a roof leak which can show up at an odd place, the same with other liquids. And these things never seem to happen in wealthy neighborhoods...

     

    Yes, the railroad is accountable! Congress let's some a spine and regulate better!

  • 2,937
    Arlys
    03/07/2023

    More proof that negligence is a way of maintaining the profit margin and making insurance companies responsible for the cost of loss and/or damages.  This in turn, causes an increase in the cost of any insurance.  Gotta maintain that damn profit margin.  God forbid any investor loses a penny of their invested money.

  • 48.1k
    Brian
    03/06/2023

    Springfield is across the state from East Palestine, but I'm sure Ohio residents, and all homeowners near a railroad, are livid. It seems Norfolk Southern really needs to work on their safety systems and improve their tracks (most tracks are owned by the companies). 

    I expect that the state and federal authorities, as well as Congress, will start doing a better job of investigating and regulating  the railroads. We cannot have derailments start happening on the regular, especially since many of these trains carry toxic and flammable substances. 

    We don't need to keep blaming either "side" or administration at this point; we just need to find ways to fix it and stop it from happening. 

  • 7,807
    DaveS
    02/19/2023

    Risk Management is not taking risks, but managing risks through regulation and laws. Deregulation and weakening laws does just the opposite, whether federal or state! Not all train accidents are frontline news.

  • 663
    Carolyn
    02/17/2023

    https://notthebee.com/article/the-real-disaster-with-the-environmental-crisis-in-ohio-according-to-the-nyt-its-republicans-noticing

     

  • 3,959
    Jim2423
    02/16/2023

    I am amazed the town, county and state safety folks are not supporting the folks affected by this accident. It appears the state, county and town are gutless to stand up for their people. I do not blame the train engineer, or the rail maintenance crew or the car and truck maintenance crews. Appears this Rail company is very similar to PGE in California. More worried about profit over safety. Same goes for the Safety poeople of the state of Ohio.

  • 13.3k
    MrGeer
    02/16/2023

    Rail workers warned us they are overworked and understaffed. the company made record profits by cutting corners, willfully endangering people, and the environment. they must be held accountable.

    there are now reports of the rail company offering the towns people $500 each to promise not to sue in the future....I urge the people to reject this sad attempt to buy your silence. 

  • 93.9k
    LeslieG
    02/15/2023

    Norfolk Southern (NS) is responsible for this accident and should be held liable for all damages. If I lived in East Palestine [OH] and saw EPA show up in hazmat suits to do air, soil & water testing I'd certainly move out and expect NS to pick up the tab, as well as any medical expenses from exposure to the 4 chemicals released into the environment where I live. They created the problem with their 30% longer trains (2 miles long), lack of adequate breaking systems by lobbying the Trump administration to overturn an Obama administration DOT regulation & stop an SEC shareholder initiative to improve safety when transporting hazardous chemicals & oil, layoffs of 3,500 employees to buy back $2.8M in stock using debt financing to increase executive compensation. East Palestine is road kill on the path to increased executive compensation. Had this accident occurred 52 miles further east it would have affected 300K residents of Pittsburg. There have been 54K rail derailments between 1990-2021(1704/year) and12 so far this year. Eventually it will happen in a high population area like Pittsburgh.

    Background

    5,000 people evacuated from East Palestine (OH) after a train derailment because, “the controlled burn would create a phosgene and hydrogen chloride plume across the region. Phosgene is a highly toxic gas that can cause vomiting and breathing trouble, and was used as a weapon in the first world war…. 25 million Americans live in an oil train blast zone, and had the derailment occurred just a few miles east [25 miles] it would be burning in downtown Pittsburgh with tens of thousands [300K] of residents in immediate danger.”

    “The [EPA to Norfolk Southern] letter notes that water sampling shows these chemicals in the Ohio River, which provides drinking water for more than five million people. It also states that the chemicals have been observed running into storm drains, and cites potential for soil contamination.”

    “This is the eighth major train derailment to occur in the greater Pittsburgh region in the last five years. Environmental health advocates have warned that Shell’s massive new petrochemical complex in western Pennsylvania means that volatile chemicals are increasingly being transported via train, and that a derailment in a more urban area, such as Pittsburgh, could be catastrophically deadly.”

    Norfolk Southern

    (1) 3rd largest US railroad, economic pressure from stock sell offs due to lack of dividend growth, labor union dispute over paid time off & layoffs, and 2020 slow down from COVID 

    (2) railroad operators face competition from truckers, decrease costs by layoffs

    (3) train length and weight have  increased in the last 10 years to be more efficient but stopping for emergencies are more difficult. 

    (4) fought against a 2013 US Department of Transportation safety rule that would have limited the impact of the derailment so that the 2015 issue of the rule was downscoped to cover only electronic brakes instead of breaking car-by-car to be installed by 2023 to only high-hazard flammable trains” carrying at least 20 consecutive loaded cars filled with liquids like crude oil. The Trump Administration repealed the law claiming cost exceeded benefit due to lobbyists from the petroleum & railroad industries.

    (5) while lobbying against stronger transportation safety regulations, Norfolk Southern paid executives millions and spent $2.3 billions on stock buybacks in 2018  but used debt to do this— all while the company laid off 3-4 thousands employees due to decreased demand from Trumps trade wars that hit agriculture & manufacturing despite warnings that understaffing is intensifying safety risks. Due to trains 30% longer (now 2 miles long).Norfolk Southern officials also fought off a shareholder initiative that could have required company executives to “assess, review, and mitigate risks of hazardous material transportation.” by having the DOT removed by the Trump Administration.

    (6) The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year., and 12 derailments in 2023 as of 2-13-23

    https://www.newsweek.com/more-dozen-trains-have-derailed-us-this-year-1780952?amp=1

    https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/cf-noaction/14a-8/2017/friendsfiduciary011717-14a8.pdf

    https://apnews.com/article/business-aab7d3084a8d17d8d721d2cb750be323

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/railroads-are-slashing-workers-cheered-on-by-wall-street-to-stay-profitable-amid-trumps-trade-war/2020/01/02/dc757ed4-1603-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/10/25/norfolk-southern-implements-massive-buyback-progra.aspx

    https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4538381-norfolk-southern-using-challenges-to-our-advantage

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/14/norfolk-southerns-ohio-train-derailment-emblematic-rail-trends/11248956002/

    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/408125-trump-admin-rolls-back-obama-oil-train-safety-rule/

    https://response.epa.gov/sites/15933/files/Norfolk%20Southern%20East%20Palestine%20Train%20Derailment%20General%20Notice%20Letter%202.10.2023.pdf

    https://www.ehn.org/amp/train-derailment-ohio-2659412710

  • 12.0k
    Mary
    02/16/2023

    With profit comes responsibility.  Hold them accountable!

  • 602
    Arnold
    02/16/2023

    Just another example of biden admin. A complete train wreck

  • 3,320
    Steph
    02/15/2023

    Norfolk Southern is the 3rd largest US railroad, economic pressure from stock sell offs due to lack of dividend growth, labor union dispute over paid time off & layoffs, and 2020 slow down from COVID 
    Because of their policies, railroad operators face competition from truckers, decrease costs by layoffs
    They are aware, as it is public knowledge that train length and weight have increased in the last 10 years to be more efficient but stopping for emergencies are more difficult. 
    Norfolk Southern fought against a 2013 US Department of Transportation safety rule that would have limited the impact of the derailment so that the 2015 issue of the rule was down-scoped to cover only electronic brakes instead of breaking car-by-car to be installed by 2023 to only high-hazard flammable trains” carrying at least 20 consecutive loaded cars filled with liquids like crude oil. The Trump Administration repealed the law claiming cost exceeded benefit due to lobbyists from the petroleum & railroad industries.
    Norfolk Southern, while lobbying against stronger transportation safety regulations, Norfolk Southern paid executives millions and spent $2.3 billions on stock buybacks in 2018 but used debt to do this— all while the company laid off 3-4 thousands employees due to decreased demand from Trumps trade wars that hit agriculture & manufacturing despite warnings that under staffing is intensifying safety risks. Due to trains 30% longer (now 2 miles long). Norfolk Southern officials also fought off a shareholder initiative that could have required company executives to “assess, review, and mitigate risks of hazardous material transportation.” by having the DOT removed by the Trump Administration.
    The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year., and 12 derailments in 2023 as of 2-13-23

    Norfolk Southern is entirely to blame for this, as is every politician they bribed(although they would use the more polite term of "donated to") in order to deregulate safety, etc. They are to blame for the accident and for all damage caused in Ohio, and they should be held liable for any lasting illnesses caused by this horrible accident.

    Due to the bribed they paid out, an entire community has been damaged and the lasting effects have yet to be seen. This being said, if officials in HAZMAT suits are doing the clean-up, this spells disaster for an entire community.

    They wanted profit over safety. They should all be held financially accountable and some of them should be jailed, along with all the politicians that they bribed! 

  • 3,959
    Jean
    02/15/2023

    CAUSES ASKS: "Should Ohio hold Norfolk Southern responsible? Let Gov. DeWine know what you think"  ME:ABSOLUTELY!  It is long past time for holding large corporations responsible for the many kinds of harm they cause..