Five Takeaways from the Jan. 6 Public Hearings

Should the Department of Justice prosecute Trump?

  • 34.9k
    jimK
    Voted Yes
    07/24/2022

    My biggest takeaway from the hearings is that the trump, his co-conspirators and many of his enablers all need to be taken away. Taken far away and imprisoned.

    It is both the responsibility and the obligation of the DOJ to indict anyone, no matter how wealthy, well connected they are and no matter whatever ‘high’ government office they held if there is compelling evidence that they likely committed crimes. Particularly for crimes committed in multiple attempts to use the powers entrusted to the President to overturn the will of the people to stage a political coup in successive failed attempts which ultimately led to many deaths and some homicides.

    The DOJ has absolutely no authority to ‘go easy’ on a prior politician with their investigations or, if convicted, their sentencing recommendations out of fear of that their decisions might be seen as being political, or out of fear of the unrest that an empowered mob of trump acolytes might cause.  

    Only the current President is entrusted with the authority to temper sentencing if he, alone, feels that it is in the public interest to do so.

  • 3,642
    larubia
    07/23/2022

    I want tRump indicted. 

    I want him convicted for election tampering, treason & witness tampering. 

    I want no other person wielding power in our government to attempt to overthrow our government ever again...no matter what side of the aisle. 

    I want Americans to realize how close we were to a Constitutional crisis that day and that the person responsible was the former president. 

    I want truth. 

    I want justice. 

    I want to believe that our government is not broken. 

     

  • 19.5k
    Brian
    Voted Maybe
    07/23/2022

    Donald just last night telling his crowd that he "won twice". 

     

    Yeah, losing by 8 million votes is certainly winning.

  • 1,221
    Ronald
    Voted No
    07/26/2022

    The Invalid "Jan 6 committee" investigation is a Marxist Show Trial All Patrotic Americians must denounce this fiction, and all Liars on the Committe. The Deep State is still pushing for vengance against Trump.This unconstitutional, illegal, unprecedented action to prevent Tr5ump Trump's 2024 run is evil. 

  • 34.9k
    jimK
    Voted Yes
    07/23/2022

    Just thinking: What would have happened if the trump sctuslly went to the Capitol to lead the parade. His Secret Service proteftive detail would certdinly go with him. The trump supossedly said that he did not much care about what might happen to Pence because of his 'betrayal'. So just what would have happened if the trump, whike leading his acolytes through the Capitol with his Secret Service detail came across Pence and his Secret Service Detail moving Pence et al to a more secure location? I think that the Secret Sevice would be faced with quiet a conundrum. 

  • 47.9k
    LeslieG
    07/23/2022

    While prosecution is important for those breaking laws, even more important are the changes for making sure this doesn't happen again, as the weakness of the system are now very apparent to everyone, and others will try to do the same thing.

    A very important point was made Day 8 by Rep Kinzinger when questioning the Deputy National Security Administrator which is the national security risk turning a normal administration transition much less a troubled one like this one when hostile countries or actors may take action.

    Take-always:

    (1) Witnesses were Trump Administration or Republican State Officials that voted for Trump, would vote for him again, and tried to frame testimony by highlighting accomplishments 

    (2) Witnesses value their oath to support the constitution, country and rule of law over partisanship 

    (3) The election was not overturned due to the ethics of the many following the rules despite the efforts of the rule breakers

    (4) Election & electoral process needs to be strengthened to prevent abuse & misuse

    (5) While strengthening the electoral process, consider modernizing it to eliminate a lame duck administration between election & inauguration where an outgoing administration can change US policy before leaving (demonstrations & riots, removing troops from overseas, entering into new agreements & treaties, etc).

    Day 1 : Compelling testimony (Bill Barr, Ivanka Trump, Capitol police) and video (Capitol security cameras, British documentary filmmaker, Nick Quested embedded in Proud Boys) laying out the plan of what the hearing plans to prove.

    Day 2: A wide range of Trump Administration, campaign & election officials testified on how they tried to explain to Trump the election processing in various states to be disregarded in favor of a drunken Rudy Giuliani urging Trump to prematurely declare victory & election fraud.

    Day 3: Speech video clips (Giuliani, Eastman) put in context of expert testimony (Jacobs, Luttig) along with memos (Carter, Cheseboro) put in perspective of text (constitution), structure (Constitution, 1887 Vote Count Act), and historical precedence (Adams, Jefferson, Nixon, Gore, 1885 commission, Congressional objections in 2004 forward) showing how historical precedence was being twisted (no historical precedence exists) to violate the constitution & 1887 Vote Count Act.

    Day 4: Testimony from AZ & GA state legislative & election officials describing the phone calls, who called (White House Operator then putting Trump on the line then Trump turning it over to Giuliani and/or Eastman) to have state officials:

    1) claiming election fraud 

    2) decertify legitimate electors & replace with state legislatures created electors

    3) Congressional member involvement (AZ Rep Biggs call to AZ House Speaker Bower) & delivering certified copies of fake electors (WI Sen Johnson to VP Pence) and House Reps & Senators objecting to the vote count 1-6-21.  Certified fake elector documents in the National Archives are now part of the evidence.

    Day 5: Justice Department (Rosen, Engel, Donahue) efforts to resist Trump-Giuliani-East’s request to issue letters on election fraud to state officials, seize voting machines and  when thus failed to replace Rosen with Clark aided by Rep Perry (PA).

    Day 6: White House Chief of Staff Deputy (Hutchinson) testifies on arms & potential for violence of protestors before, during and after speech and still sending them to the Capitol, as well as DJT intent to go to Capitol and staff efforts to stop him. 

    Day 7: Former White House counsel Cipolline describes unscheduled meeting Trump had with Giuliani, Powell, Flynn to seize voting machines & appoint Powell as Special Council to investigate the election. Testimony from extremist groups on planning that start day after unschedule meeting, and participation in the riot and communications from Trump via Twitter, and coordination among militias before (email) and during (walkie-talkie).

    Day 8: What Trump did or didn’t do during 188 minute, state of mind

    https://news.yahoo.com/jan-6-committee-hearing-schedule-155137852.html

    https://www.causes.com/comments/16072

    https://www.causes.com/comments/14158

     

    While prosecution is important for those breaking laws, even more important are the changes for making sure this doesn't happen again as the weakness of the system are now very apparent to everyone, and others will try to do the same thing.

    A very important point was made Day 8 by Rep Kinzinger when questioning the Deputy National Security Administrator which is the national security risk turning a normal administration transition much less a troubled one like this one when hostile countries ir actors may plan to take action.

    Take-always:

    (1) Witnesses were Trump Administration or Republican State Officials that voted for Trump, would vote for him again, and tried to frame testimony by highlighting accomplishments 

    (2) Witnesses value their oath to support the constitution, country and rule of law over partisanship 

    (3) The election was not overturned due to the ethics of the many following the rules despite the efforts of the rule breakers

    (4) Election & electoral process needs to be strengthened to prevent abuse & misuse

    (5) While strengthening the electoral process, consider modernizing it to eliminate a lame duck administration between election & inauguration where an outgoing administration can change US policy before leaving (demonstrations & riots, removing troops from overseas, entering into new agreements & treaties, etc).

    Day 1 : Compelling testimony (Bill Barr, Ivanka Trump, Capitol police) and video (Capitol security cameras, British documentary filmmaker, Nick Quested embedded in Proud Boys) laying out the plan of what the hearing plans to prove.

    Day 2: A wide range of Trump Administration, campaign & election officials testified on how they tried to explain to Trump the election processing in various states to be disregarded in favor of a drunken Rudy Giuliani urging Trump to prematurely declare victory & election fraud.

    Day 3: Speech video clips (Giuliani, Eastman) put in context of expert testimony (Jacobs, Luttig) along with memos (Carter, Cheseboro) put in perspective of text (constitution), structure (Constitution, 1887 Vote Count Act), and historical precedence (Adams, Jefferson, Nixon, Gore, 1885 commission, Congressional objections in 2004 forward) showing how historical precedence was being twisted (no historical precedence exists) to violate the constitution & 1887 Vote Count Act.

    Day 4: Testimony from AZ & GA state legislative & election officials describing the phone calls, who called (White House Operator then putting Trump on the line then Trump turning it over to Giuliani and/or Eastman) to have state officials:

    1) claiming election fraud 

    2) decertify legitimate electors & replace with state legislatures created electors

    3) Congressional member involvement (AZ Rep Biggs call to AZ House Speaker Bower) & delivering certified copies of fake electors (WI Sen Johnson to VP Pence) and House Reps & Senators objecting to the vote count 1-6-21.  Certified fake elector documents in the National Archives are now part of the evidence.

    Day 5: Justice Department (Rosen, Engel, Donahue) efforts to resist Trump-Giuliani-East’s request to issue letters on election fraud to state officials, seize voting machines and  when thus failed to replace Rosen with Clark aided by Rep Perry (PA).

    Day 6: White House Chief of Staff Deputy (Hutchinson) testifies on arms & potential for violence of protestors before, during and after speech and still sending them to the Capitol, as well as DJT intent to go to Capitol and staff efforts to stop him. 

    Day 7: Former White House counsel Cipolline describes unscheduled meeting Trump had with Giuliani, Powell, Flynn to seize voting machines & appoint Powell as Special Council to investigate the election. Testimony from extremist groups on planning that start day after unschedule meeting, and participation in the riot and communications from Trump via Twitter, and coordination among militias before (email) and during (walkie-talkie).

    Day 8: What Trump did or didn’t do during 188 minute, state of mind

    https://news.yahoo.com/jan-6-committee-hearing-schedule-155137852.html

    https://www.causes.com/comments/16072

    https://www.causes.com/comments/14158

    https://www.causes.com/comments/16001

    https://www.causes.com/comments/14645

    https://www.causes.com/comments/14294

    https://www.causes.com/comments/15318

    https://www.causes.com/comments/16001

    https://www.causes.com/comments/14645

    https://www.causes.com/comments/14294

    https://www.causes.com/comments/15318

  • 19.5k
    Brian
    Voted Maybe
    07/23/2022

    I want justice and accountability. I'm in no hurry for the DOJ to indict Donald; I want them to take their time and get an airtight case against all who were involved in planning and executing this fraud and sedition against our country.

     

    Merrick Garland is an expert at building cases against domestic terrorists, and I want him to do his job right this time again.

  • 3,195
    PattiZ
    Voted No
    07/26/2022

    This is the rhetoric the Dems want us to believe.  They have omitted tons of live footage and testament because the TRUTH is too hard for them to bare. 

    These are the hard facts and the worst that “Trumpers“ were seen doing was a person ran and slammed into a police officer who fell over a wall. That was the worst yet “The People” are being accused of so much more.

    Victoria White was beaten by the supervisor of the metro police.  She was hit over 40 with a baton to her head and face. She survived the attack.

    Matthew Perna was arrested and pled guilty to a felony charge after seeing what others were being charged.  He later committed suicide.

    Jake Lang was arrested and is still held in solitary confinement.  He is being detained in pre-trial detention facility.  The powers that be don’t want America to know the facts and are holding him hoping he will plead guilty.

     

    Four Trump Supporters died that day. 

    Ashli Babbitt SHOT and was technically MURDERED by Lt. Michael Byrd.  Ashli tried to stop ‘Zachary Alam’ who broke the window of the Capital.  She asked the police officers to stop this person, to which no response. Video Evidence shows that she was NOT A TERRORIST.  She actually was about 10’ from Officer Byrd who was basically let go.  During the Internal Affairs investigation, Officer Byrd refused (which he had no right to withhold answers) to answer questions and said he would do so once he obtained an attorney. 

    Roseanne Boyland- died from alleged drug overdose from a drug she’s been taking for years.  However the true cause may have been when police unleashed a chemical irritant, which displaces air, into the tunnel where Ms. Boyland couldn’t breathe and went unconscious as police officer Lila Morris was videotaped hitting Miss Boland two times in the head and one in the chest the video clearly shows intent to do bodily harm. The real hero was Luke Coffee who tried to save Ms. Boyland.  The crowd was begging the police to help but no response; the crowd actually watched her die. The crowd became angry from the lack of response.  The crowd eventually dragged her body out of the tunnel once they were able to do so safely. Officers were the villains NOT heroes.  Luke Coffee was questioned and was told he wasn’t a suspect. However a few days later, he suddenly became a person of interest. Aa he turned himself in.  They offered Mr. Coffee a pleas deal of 4-5 years to a felony charge. 
    Benjamin Phillips & Kevin Greeson who both had heart attacks likely brought on from the munitions used by the Capital police.  Remember the munitions that were released displayed air and people couldn’t breathe. 

     

    A Defense Atty for the Oath Keepers  believe this whole event was staged.  Several actors, were observed working in teams of two and could have been tactical teams. The attorneys also requested to review the government’s face recognition software to help ID these actors in which the government is not cooperating. 

    MR. Ray Epp - who is Ray Epp?  He is the one observed encouraging people to enter the Capital.  He was also observed at various breach points. 

    The Oath Keepers are the center of the prosecution and actually were observed assisting the police. They were charged with seditious conspiracy when they were actually there to counter ANTIFA. None of these oath keepers were armed with weapons and they actually were protecting the police and helped guard the window that had been broken. 

    Bobby Powell actually warned people not to go into the capital and he is the one who videoed most of these suspicious actors (a.k.a. Feds).

    Question?   

    Who is in charge of security? 
    Kash Patel who was the go-between for Trump and request for security.  Security typically falls to law-enforcement so agencies such as FBI, DHS, the sergeant of arms for the house of the sergeant of arms for the Senate. The police went to the sergeant of arms and chief of police and requested more security however that was declined.
    It is a two-step process: 
    The president has to authorize the use of National Guard and two the mayor should request federal law enforcement such as the National Guard to be deployed. On January 4 the president did give authorization for the National Guard but when it went to the mayor and the Capitol police declined the assistance of the national guard.
    The FBI had this information prior to January 6th. Finally Pelosi and Schumer made the request but it was too late and they wanted to sure they were weapons of war. Capital police officers flagrantly violated the law and officers actually had a entrapped some of the protesters. 
    The real story is not the one being shown to the public. Protocols were not being followed the most serious acts of violence were on behalf of the capital police.
    January 6 is being used politically it is being used to create new laws on domestic terrorism.  A two-tier justice system is not justice.  Look at the smash and grab, the violent protests across the county, etc.  Crimes on both sides need to be treated equally which they currently are not.

  • 182
    Margaret
    Voted Yes
    10/16/2022

    The Justice Department should prosecute Trump with other legislative leaders that lied about the 2020 election, and or supported the 1-6-2021 insurredtion.  As a voter in Indiana I want to know what role my Indiana representatives had in 1-6 insurrection.  

  • 843
    Sandra
    Voted Yes
    10/13/2022

    Trump should thank his lucky stars, that he lives in the United States.  In some countries he would have been publicly executed WAY before now.

  • 293
    GOP1980
    Voted No
    08/16/2022

    No how was that his fault there using him as a scape goat

  • 179
    JediJ
    Voted No
    07/31/2022

    These hearings have failed to produce anything that supports criminal prosecution. These hearings have clearing been more about political grandstanding and trying to rehash the issue in an attempt to save democrats from midterm losses. 

  • 1,657
    Surender
    Voted Yes
    07/30/2022

    Former President Donald Trump’s comments casting doubt on Saudi Arabia’s involvement in the 9/11 terror attacks mark the latest in a string of recent public relations victories for the desert kingdom and its ruling Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman

    in plain words

    america and americans can be bought at a price therefore qualifies to be the MOST corrupt country in dollar terms 

    please refrain from pointing fingers at others! 
    shame on congress 

    shame on gop 

    shame on corporate america

    shame on scotus

  • 106
    Lily
    Voted Yes
    07/29/2022

    With the overwhelming evidence of Trump being behind the January 6th attacks, a decision not to prosecute him would be extremely dangerous.

  • 1,657
    Surender
    Voted Yes
    07/29/2022

    a herd of ex whitehouse staff are now talking - some taking the 5th or not recollecting, some reluctantly some out of being cornered by a rare few forthcoming witnesses (cassidy) 

    where were these stalwarts of democracy when the crimes were being committed real time or spinning denials after the defeat and actively complicit in the lies and subversion with fake electors? 
    that many of these same characters continue to vehemently deny and simultaneously promote the same dumbkopf into office is a stunning testament to the total destruction of this 'democratic experiment'

    the US has no standing, practically every major and minor potentate is thumbing their nose at us

    what an achievement gop! pat yourselves on the back for such monumental achievements

    appears too late to save this democracy ... maybe in another 200 years? 

    who needs enemies when you have geniuses like cruz gaetz rubio mccarthy cornyn cotton mcconnell mtg boebert abbot desantis gohmert pompeo mulvaney navarro giuliani even thomas & alito etc and their financiers bankrolling these criminals to do their bidding and yes righteous pence who could have easily stopped this whole parade but was literally too dumb to do so! 

  • 316
    Bill
    Voted No
    07/29/2022

    The whole Jan 6 show trial is a political ad for the Dems at taxpayer expense.  Election results denial by both Dems and GOP has been common through the years.  Shame on the DC court system for their onerous incarceration of misdemeanor protestors.  Equal justice for all......I don't think so based upon lack of prosecution and incarceration for violent protestors in Minneapolis and Portland in 2020

     

  • 431
    3030 Elder Way
    Voted No
    07/28/2022

    This committee is a sham. All the Attorney/Congress persons should have their law licenses revoked. This committee is not a fair process or any wear close to being a legal process. 

  • 151
    Christa
    Voted Yes
    07/28/2022

    No one is above the law not even the president.  democracy rules, not the individuals purpurting to represent democracy.

  • 35
    Sandra
    Voted Yes
    07/27/2022

    Trump must be prosecuted since there is a preponderance of evidence.  If found guilty, he should be sentenced to jail. He is a traitor.

  • 20.1k
    Kristen
    Voted Yes
    07/27/2022

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/27/2112862/-Trump-s-direct-role-in-attempted-overturn-under-increasing-scrutiny-by-DOJ-prosecutors-sources-say

  • 1,779
    Adel
    07/27/2022

    Of course he should be prosecuted.  He broke several laws.  That's what we do in our country to protect our Democracy.  We try and imprison the guilty that have been caught!  Most especially known criminals at the top of the list!

  • 1,779
    Adel
    07/27/2022

    Or if they choose not to, this will happen over and over and over again!  Everyone I know HATES THIS!  We have election rules, they are old and have worked very well until we started accepting known  criminals into the running! If you want it all to stop you need to add a new rule,  If you want to run for a seat in our government you must take a test on our Constitution, you know the thing that none of them have read. "I don't like to read", Donald Trump.  Make sure that they pass it at 95% or above.  What is there only job? They must raise their hand and swear, "To uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of America. You can't do that if you haven't read it!!!!!!! If you need more info on how to do that, let me know.

  • 337
    Bhuvanesh
    Voted Yes
    07/27/2022

    The Jan 6th Commission has effectively investigated Trump's Big Lie and what led to the terrorist attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021. The DOJ should pursue those responsible for the attack, including Trump, to show that nobody is above the law and to protect our democracy.

  • 157
    Kate
    Voted No
    07/27/2022

    Evidently the far left (or their bots) is much interested in this site - don't believe 76% people believe Trump should be prosecuted – probably 76% think don’t care.

  • 157
    Kate
    Voted No
    07/27/2022

    This hearing is a kangaroo court. Numerous examples of dispicable/illegal activity noted to promote a far left liberal ideology; they have to bow to the insane, totally disgusting. The left gets away with activity far worse than Jan.1st, but never mind, nothing behind the curtain.

  • 1,668
    John
    Voted Yes
    07/27/2022

    At this point in time with all that has come out about Donald Trump and the Republican party leader ship, how they try to undermine this country and overthrow a duly elected presidency if you're still with this party you either have to be anti-American or an Illiterate idiot.

  • 483
    Dan
    Voted Yes
    07/27/2022

    DOJ should move faster. If they wait closer to the elections the Trumpians will scream that the move is political.

  • 47
    Yvette
    Voted Yes
    07/26/2022

    Please don't let Trump get away with what he did to our democracy.